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Top 8 or top 10 budget, take either really as last season we were I think in neither position at pretty much any point throughout the entire season, let alone at the end. We undershot our resources significantly and being safe from relegation a few games shy of the end of the season was celebrated as a major success, while clubs with budgets far less than our own were streets ahead. As a manager you need to make use of your resources and then some. We managed to undershoot and seemingly piss away our financial strength.
Quote from: RoversAlias on June 07, 2018, 02:43:46 pmQuote from: Cantley Rover on June 07, 2018, 02:19:05 pmAt the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.That is your opinion. I think otherwise.
Quote from: Cantley Rover on June 07, 2018, 02:19:05 pmAt the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.
At the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.
Quote from: Cantley Rover on June 07, 2018, 03:12:02 pmQuote from: RoversAlias on June 07, 2018, 02:43:46 pmQuote from: Cantley Rover on June 07, 2018, 02:19:05 pmAt the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.That is your opinion. I think otherwise. You might have to look up what a fact actually is in that case.
Ah the old "I'll make up a statement and then make you prove me wrong".
You made the initial statement, surely you're the one to back up what you've said?
So what you're saying is you can't back up what you've said. Thought so. Not responding anymore.
Quote from: RoversAlias on June 07, 2018, 08:17:39 pmQuote from: Cantley Rover on June 07, 2018, 03:12:02 pmQuote from: RoversAlias on June 07, 2018, 02:43:46 pmQuote from: Cantley Rover on June 07, 2018, 02:19:05 pmAt the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.That is your opinion. I think otherwise. You might have to look up what a fact actually is in that case.Do you want to point out where I am wrong then and back it up with facts?
Were there not 3 directors keeping us in the Championship for 4 years?
Of course attendances dropped. The initial novelty of the new ground increased crowds. That was bound to be temporary. Then, attendances dropped further as the team struggled to win games!
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on June 07, 2018, 02:09:21 pmOf course attendances dropped. The initial novelty of the new ground increased crowds. That was bound to be temporary. Then, attendances dropped further as the team struggled to win games! I said, if we"d had stayed in the Championship for longer then maybe the fan base may have grown. But, I was just suggesting a reason why that bit more investment didn't happen. In my view it takes a generation to really change things, certainly more than 5 years to reduce the risk of the young uns being lured by Leeds, Sheff Utd,, Sheff Wed etc, consistently competing with or above them. But that's another debate.I' ll stick by the premise that if higher income from higher attendances would more likely encourage more financial input from the owners. Catch 22 maybe.
Yes, but only 2 of them were providing most of the finance.
QuoteYes, but only 2 of them were providing most of the finance.That makes perfect sense, as 2/3 is greater than 1/3!
Silent majority, you posted a reply on the 6th June suggesting we had a top 8 budget and now you seem to be suggesting we had a top 10 budget last season. Might seem like splitting hairs but which one is true?
SM, first of all, why are you asking me these questions? Have I suddenly become the font of all knowledge?Anyway, let's skip that one. Just for fun, in answer to question 1, IF we hadn't had the level of injuries that we sustained last season, I believe we would have made top 10 comfortably, that is to say 10th. Check out the league table and the points spread yourself - we were not that far off. Question 2? We already had a decent manager for the level we were at and the one above, as he met all the criteria that the Club have set out for the new manager. It goes without saying, surely, that to achieve the Club's stated aim, we are going to need a decent squad, or am I missing something? My question to you is:Do you believe we have a budget that will meet the Club's stated aim of a top 6 finish this coming season?
Quote from: silent majority on June 07, 2018, 03:17:49 pmQuote from: Alan Southstand on June 07, 2018, 02:59:34 pmHang on, so you are saying our budget matched Wigan, Blackburn and Rotherham's?No. Just wrote that whilst on the move, sorry. The question is, if you have resources that put you in the top 10 where do you expect to finish?And a secondary question as well.Do you think you should pay for a top manager and a modest squad or a top squad and a modest manager?It completely depends on what the difference between you and the sides around you is. It’s probably the case where the difference between 8th and 16th is very minimal.
Quote from: Alan Southstand on June 07, 2018, 02:59:34 pmHang on, so you are saying our budget matched Wigan, Blackburn and Rotherham's?No. Just wrote that whilst on the move, sorry. The question is, if you have resources that put you in the top 10 where do you expect to finish?And a secondary question as well.Do you think you should pay for a top manager and a modest squad or a top squad and a modest manager?
Hang on, so you are saying our budget matched Wigan, Blackburn and Rotherham's?
A Budget is a Budget weather high or low you work with in that Budget or perish, Look at Aston Villa £51m on five players no promotion in trouble now, winding up orders we do not want that.If you can not work to the budget you have to go the Trouble is so call Managers can only work if they can splash the cash
Quote from: nortikorner on June 08, 2018, 12:36:58 pmA Budget is a Budget weather high or low you work with in that Budget or perish, Look at Aston Villa £51m on five players no promotion in trouble now, winding up orders we do not want that.If you can not work to the budget you have to go the Trouble is so call Managers can only work if they can splash the cashAston Villa have been served a winding up order by HMRC for non payment of tax. Is that the Managers fault?
Quote from: Cantley Rover on June 08, 2018, 12:40:40 pmQuote from: nortikorner on June 08, 2018, 12:36:58 pmA Budget is a Budget weather high or low you work with in that Budget or perish, Look at Aston Villa £51m on five players no promotion in trouble now, winding up orders we do not want that.If you can not work to the budget you have to go the Trouble is so call Managers can only work if they can splash the cashAston Villa have been served a winding up order by HMRC for non payment of tax. Is that the Managers fault?Do you realise how hypocritical you sound? You constantly berate our owners for not overspending to suit your wishes and yet seem ambivalent about another club that has done precisely that.
Quote from: Cantley Rover on June 07, 2018, 09:04:39 pmQuote from: RoversAlias on June 07, 2018, 08:17:39 pmQuote from: Cantley Rover on June 07, 2018, 03:12:02 pmQuote from: RoversAlias on June 07, 2018, 02:43:46 pmQuote from: Cantley Rover on June 07, 2018, 02:19:05 pmAt the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.That is your opinion. I think otherwise. You might have to look up what a fact actually is in that case.Do you want to point out where I am wrong then and back it up with facts?The bit in bold. Facts? The fact they've already financed us into the Championship once already and paid to keep us there for four seasons.Now then, where are your facts?