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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: normal rules on January 01, 2024, 08:20:11 pm
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I have a few mates who are regulars at watching Boston United. They are very very impressed with him . They report his pace out does anyone he has come up against to date . I believe his loan with them runs out mid Jan. He could be a good return addition to the new formation GM has set up?
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I think he scored a pen for them today against Kings Lynn.
Loan finishes mid January.
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I think he scored a pen for them today against Kings Lynn.
Loan finishes mid January.
Yes he did. Well taken too. There is a clip of it on Facebook. Bostons first goal is a peach too.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/135317279959461/permalink/2593243224166842/
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Maybe he fits right in now. Faal goes back, 433 formation - bingo. Wide options needed.
I really hope we keep Faal, but he’s leaving at some point so we have to do without him.
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From what I’ve seen of Kuleya I think Sotona offers more in terms of pace & ball retention…..sorry, control!
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Kuleya had a good 20/25 minutes today and the game passed him by, he barely got a touch. I know he's only a young lad so plenty of time for him but he was a bit headless chicken.
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Sotona has talent and pace that’s clear. He’s our player so he probably gets a chance at some point whatever system we play. I hope so, I like to see him play.
We mustn’t get carried away with formations. Obviously players move about and it changes whether we’ve got the ball or not. A key thing is 2 centre backs or 3. Maybe we’ve sorted that issue now.
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Just spotted that he’s left footed. So he’d make for possible back up for Molyneux.
But Deji needs some coaching about what to do and when. So it might be best getting him back on reflection.
When we played 4-3-3 early on he was hugging the touchline absolutely miles away from Ironside.
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There was a game he switched off defensively and it cost us a goal. Think it was falling a sleep while his man ran off him. Not had a look in since then.
Thought it was a bit harsh given the amount of basic defensive errors our actual defenders commit. Looking at our forwards we do lack pace so he would offer something we need. With Ironside dropping in the wide players need to be making the runs into the space behind he leaves
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Talk of Roberts going back and us getting in another attacking wide player - Sotona fits right in to one of the slots and means we need to concentrate on other areas. I still think the lad has something to offer.
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Talk of Roberts going back and us getting in another attacking wide player - Sotona fits right in to one of the slots and means we need to concentrate on other areas. I still think the lad has something to offer.
Boston will be gutted to see him leave. He has made a difference since going there for sure.
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Sotona very much needed to be playing first team men's football to build his experience and improve his decision making. It's good to hear that he's done well at Boston.
I think Kuleya offers more tracking back defensively and he was the one bright spark in an awful team performance at Notts County but as Gaz said, (with a few notable exceptions over the years) you can't expect players at that age to do a solid job week in, week out.
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There was a game he switched off defensively and it cost us a goal. Think it was falling a sleep while his man ran off him. Not had a look in since then.
Thought it was a bit harsh given the amount of basic defensive errors our actual defenders commit. Looking at our forwards we do lack pace so he would offer something we need. With Ironside dropping in the wide players need to be making the runs into the space behind he leaves
im sure it was MK dons away that game. He has talent no question, but as said above he is a player who needs to be coached. From what bits i saw of him he didnt strike me as team player either. Hopefully Grant will eventually get the best out of him, when he returns.
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BUfC have confirmed today he has put pen to paper for loan to extend to end of season. Pilgrims will be very happy with this . With Faal going back I would have thought he would have returned as back up if nothing else
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2 of the lads ,that had debuts on Saturday, are not available tomorrow night. You would have thought Deji would have been cover for Waters!
Obviously not.
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Sure we had someone out on loan but featured in one of these games
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Is he (deji) now , now staying for Season or was it Kuleya
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Sure we had someone out on loan but featured in one of these games
That would be a youth loan
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Chance for Hurst to show what he can do tomorrow night
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On Sotana he’s better playing every week for Boston and coming back in summer for a proper crack at the 1st team with games under his belt imo.
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Another goal last night for Deji. Peno. Which he won himself. Although BUFC got beat 3-2 in scarbados
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Another goal last night for Deji. Peno. Which he won himself. Although BUFC got beat 3-2 in scarbados
the other week I looked at that little bloke who plays for Harrogate (you have all been raving about him) he scored a similar goal against us as he did against Notts Defenderless County who they also beat 3-1- (his luck was in and once again as the ball went in the net)
Now just imagine Sotana was in that "thow shalt defend and break on the oppositon Harrogate team" he would probably scored the same type of goal as that Harrogate player --- against us and we would be saying ---- sign him
the fact that some " Deviant Alien" has taken over Devante Cole's body or he's had a sat nav chip implant with destination not Three Bridges Sussex but "Three White Posts" shows along with Toney anything is possible if you have confidence
Thierry Henry at Arsenal was hopeless as a winger and they thought about getting rid before playing him as a striker
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Another goal last night for Deji. Peno. Which he won himself. Although BUFC got beat 3-2 in scarbados
the other week I looked at that little bloke who plays for Harrogate (you have all been raving about him) he scored a similar goal against us as he did against Notts Defenderless County who they also beat 3-1- (his luck was in and once again as the ball went in the net)
Now just imagine Sotana was in that "thow shalt defend and break on the oppositon Harrogate team" he would probably scored the same type of goal as that Harrogate player --- against us and we would be saying ---- sign him
the fact that some " Deviant Alien" has taken over Devante Cole's body or he's had a sat nav chip implant with destination not Three Bridges Sussex but "Three White Posts" shows along with Toney anything is possible if you have confidence
Thierry Henry at Arsenal was hopeless as a winger and they thought about getting rid before playing him as a striker
Jesus wept. I need the smelling salts again.
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Can you imagine living in the same house as CLH? :woot: :suicide:
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How’s he getting on?
If he’s doing well I’d look at getting him a good National League loan next year to keep him progressing.
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I would say in the system we’re playing at the moment, he could really challenge molly on the right hand side, obviously we don’t know if he’s up to this standard, but we won’t know unless he’s chucked in the deep end.
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I'd rather we go for players in the Adelakun ilk in the summer, who we know can perform at this level or even above. Don't mind the odd Sotona type gamble but if we want to challenge for promotion, then sign proven quality.
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To be honest I’d forgotten about him not that he’s done anything wrong
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Hard to gauge what level he is at or could play it. When he played the odd few games for us we played him out of possession with emphasis on defending which is clearly not his strong point especially considering his age.
His pace will always cause problems it’s just controlling that and adding an end product. Could be handy to have around the 11 at the start of next season as a bench option.
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Goodman and Kuleya gone out on loan for rest of season to Matlock Town in the NPL. That could mean the striker we have had on trial is coming on board.
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Deji has been an unused sub in 2 out of the last 3 Boston games.
For the other he got 4 minutes off the bench.
Perhaps he was a “Reo style gamble” after all.
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We should be looking at the striker they have called Knowles, he is scoring for fun
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In Boston’s last 3 matches there has been 4 hat tricks,Knowles has got 2 of them and Mooney has got the other 2, well to totally correct Mooney has scored has had a hat trick a 4 goal return
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I'd rather we go for players in the Adelakun ilk in the summer, who we know can perform at this level or even above. Don't mind the odd Sotona type gamble but if we want to challenge for promotion, then sign proven quality.
Exactly, we’ve delved into the Gateshead’s, Boreham Woods and Halifax’s we now need to add some strength and quality that have competed higher up the ladder to complement and bring out the best of these players. Adelukan,Craig and TLT types have shown how well this can work
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The one from Gateshead has been our best player. So surely that proves it’s irrelevent where we sign them from
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The one from Gateshead has been our best player. So surely that proves it’s irrelevent where we sign them from
You’ve completely missed my point.
We’ve brought in good players from lower down the league and to bring out the best in them and to help them thrive they need to have some quality shoulder to shoulder. Baileys been great this season but 10 games ago we were on our way down. Since some quality has come in Sterry has looked better, Molyneux (Hartlepool) has looked miles better etc etc
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Can't get a game at Boston. Fans don't want him there say he's lazy and doesn't track back. Happy that since he's been dropped their form has been good and looking at a dead cert for play offs now can't see him back in a rovers shirt.
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Martin Woods is playing there and is on our coaching staff, hopefully reporting back on these players
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A player that looked good in one pre season friendly and some our fans were crying out to sign him immediately.
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A player that looked good in one pre season friendly and some our fans were crying out to sign him immediately.
Reading back on this thread is definitely interesting!
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=288371.180
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A player that looked good in one pre season friendly and some our fans were crying out to sign him immediately.
Reading back on this thread is definitely interesting!
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=288371.180
That’s hilarious, Gazlaz proved right again. You’d think we’d have signed Ronaldo the way some reacted.
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Probably best not to get too excited about one or two pre-season appearances. We've fallen for that a few times.
Still, in the few outings I saw of Sotona early in the season he definitely had something. It's finding a role for him in a team and getting the best out of him that's clearly the sticking point.
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Another one who has moments in games attracts the eye, and can be exciting fleetingly, the rest of the time a liability to the lads defending behind him and being carried.
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Another one who has moments in games attracts the eye, and can be exciting fleetingly, the rest of the time a liability to the lads defending behind him and being carried.
Lots of teams have “luxury” players who could be potential match winners with a touch or two of genius, but are crap the rest of the time..
Players like Cotterill for us, Maddison at Posh etc..
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Another one who has moments in games attracts the eye, and can be exciting fleetingly, the rest of the time a liability to the lads defending behind him and being carried.
Lots of teams have “luxury” players who could be potential match winners with a touch or two of genius, but are crap the rest of the time..
Players like Cotterill for us, Maddison at Posh etc..
I think they’re becoming a dying breed though in the modern game though.
I can’t think of a single “luxury player” in the premier league for example.
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Fernandes, Maddison,
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Could tell in the first game I saw him at York in pre season.
Frightening on the ball and would hate to defend against him but off the ball he’s a liability and would be better off with one of us on the pitch.
In that game against York there were so many times where the CB had the ball and u had Sotona in no man’s land with the LB wide open for a pass.
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If I was Gaz Laz I would be sat with my feet up with a nice pint of cold lager. I would smugly be telling everyone ‘I told you so’
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Just reading back over that. Not smug at all, it was an absolute tap in of an opinion. I see that prick Colin C was the first to jump on me with his little fluffer Pancho not far behind thinking we could have unearthed “a gem”.
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Why in football are players not allowed time to learn and develop? Sotona is raw, very raw and these loans are there to teach him the things he needs to learn in football.
I find it mad that we don't allow that. How many players have been largely poor here and kicked on elsewhere? Alfie May for example?
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We talk about players as if they have no agency over themselves sometimes. Ultimately there is responsibility on them themselves to become better. If they don’t have the right attitude that is less likely to happen. This is why coaches want young players who want to learn.
Alfie May he dropped down a division after leaving us and didn’t set that division alight straight away either. Perhaps things just lined up right in life for him to kick on afterwards. There are many such examples across all football clubs.
If we had kept every young player we released over the years just in case they became world-beaters we’d be in a right mess.
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Why in football are players not allowed time to learn and develop? Sotona is raw, very raw and these loans are there to teach him the things he needs to learn in football.
I find it mad that we don't allow that. How many players have been largely poor here and kicked on elsewhere? Alfie May for example?
True, although Alfie May isn't a good example. The only thing largely poor about his time with us was the failure to recognise his potential.
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We talk about players as if they have no agency over themselves sometimes. Ultimately there is responsibility on them themselves to become better. If they don’t have the right attitude that is less likely to happen. This is why coaches want young players who want to learn.
Alfie May he dropped down a division after leaving us and didn’t set that division alight straight away either. Perhaps things just lined up right in life for him to kick on afterwards. There are many such examples across all football clubs.
If we had kept every young player we released over the years just in case they became world-beaters we’d be in a right mess.
Alfie scored 67 goals in all competitions and played a huge part in Cheltenham's League Two title victory, followed by a record-breaking season in League One.
May's Cheltenham career began in January 2020 and he hit the ground running scoring on his debut in a 3-0 victory over Oldham Athletic, just a day after signing.
He continued that early form, scoring another five goals in 11 games before the season was curtailed due to the COVID-19 pandemic.
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We talk about players as if they have no agency over themselves sometimes. Ultimately there is responsibility on them themselves to become better. If they don’t have the right attitude that is less likely to happen. This is why coaches want young players who want to learn.
Alfie May he dropped down a division after leaving us and didn’t set that division alight straight away either. Perhaps things just lined up right in life for him to kick on afterwards. There are many such examples across all football clubs.
If we had kept every young player we released over the years just in case they became world-beaters we’d be in a right mess.
Alfie scored 67 goals in all competitions and played a huge part in Cheltenham's League Two title victory, followed by a record-breaking season in League One.
May's Cheltenham career began in January 2020 and he hit the ground running scoring on his debut in a 3-0 victory over Oldham Athletic, just a day after signing.
He continued that early form, scoring another five goals in 11 games before the season was curtailed due to the COVID-19 pandemic.
9 goals in 44 games in league 2 after we let him go.
Had he stayed with us it’s impossible to say that he would still have become the player he is now.
Footballers aren’t robots and life is complicated. We aren’t the only club and he isn’t the only player this has occurred with in football history. Move on.
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I have moved on, I'm just correcting your claim that he didn’t set that division alight straight away. He did, and continued flourishing following Cheltenham's promotion to League One, and his subsequent move to Charlton, where he is still hitting the ground running.