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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Prince_Moncrieffe on June 10, 2019, 07:09:21 pm
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Just wondering about Rotherham away next season. Last time out, it was fair to say their was no love lost between both sets of fans. Inside ground and out.
After the game outside ground as an away fan was most intimated I’ve felt at a rovers game in a long time. Wonder if the old bill will have a handle on it this time ?
Police used to lock us away fans in ground for 30 minutes or longer so no trouble kicks off. How come that doesn’t happen any more?
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Calling them a town paedos didn't help I suppose !
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Keeping you behind after the final whistle could be considered to be challenging your human rights so the police no longer do it for fear of expensive legal challenges .
However under certain circumstances it can be used when there is substantial evidence to support a threat of significant disorder , for instance it kicks off inside the stadium , players have to leave the field or there are significant arrests made .
Clearly the above is difficult to enforce , a game against Leeds Utd in 2017 at Oakwell , Sky saturday evening kick off :headbang:
Resulted in fights breaking out sporadically around the stadium , fans from both clubs smashing seats and using them as missiles and an atmosphere of real menace .
Leeds fans were let out straight after the final whistle , it was carnage , bricks and bottles getting launched all the way back in to town .
There is a substantial history of serious disorder between Barnsley and Leeds dating back well over 20 years .
Better than a legal challenge ....... apparently ..... :whistle:
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Calling them a town paedos didn't help I suppose !
........and them calling us pikeys.
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It was pretty lively wasn't it. Would expect next season to be no different. Potentially worse as their last minute winner led to a lot of goading which probably heated up the rivalry even more.
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When did this happen 😂.
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Calling them a town paedos didn't help I suppose !
........and them calling us pikeys.
Lovely bit of what aboutism there.
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Calling them a town paedos didn't help I suppose !
........and them calling us pikeys.
Lovely bit of what aboutism there.
It is a shame there aren’t any “tongue in cheek” emoji characters available on here.
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The opening post talks of love lost .As an older generation fan I await the era when energies of fans are concentrated on loving their own club rather than expressing hate for rivals .
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Keeping you behind after the final whistle could be considered to be challenging your human rights so the police no longer do it for fear of expensive legal challenges .
However under certain circumstances it can be used when there is substantial evidence to support a threat of significant disorder , for instance it kicks off inside the stadium , players have to leave the field or there are significant arrests made .
Clearly the above is difficult to enforce , a game against Leeds Utd in 2017 at Oakwell , Sky saturday evening kick off :headbang:
Resulted in fights breaking out sporadically around the stadium , fans from both clubs smashing seats and using them as missiles and an atmosphere of real menace .
Leeds fans were let out straight after the final whistle , it was carnage , bricks and bottles getting launched all the way back in to town .
There is a substantial history of serious disorder between Barnsley and Leeds dating back well over 20 years .
Better than a legal challenge ....... apparently ..... :whistle:
Sorry, absolutely no truth in that. The Police can hold you back if they consider there are safety concerns. Its how its done that causes the issues. A legal challenge wouldn't get very far, especially with SYP lawyers having more resources than any fan groups.
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I wouldn't appreciate being held back in the ground due to troublemakers if I had a train to catch. We usually keep our wits about us and avoid the aggro in these situations, as we did coming out of Rotherham's stadium last year. Aside from the fact the walkways were on separate levels allowing Rotherham fans to spit at us from above, I'd say it is perfectly possible to avoid being caught up in trouble between the two sets of fans.
Quite frankly, on that day, the behaviour of our fans in the ground was just as bad as the Rotherham fans anyway.
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I wouldn't appreciate being held back in the ground due to troublemakers if I had a train to catch. We usually keep our wits about us and avoid the aggro in these situations, as we did coming out of Rotherham's stadium last year. Aside from the fact the walkways were on separate levels allowing Rotherham fans to spit at us from above, I'd say it is perfectly possible to avoid being caught up in trouble between the two sets of fans.
Quite frankly, on that day, the behaviour of our fans in the ground was just as bad as the Rotherham fans anyway.
I wouldn't suggest that you would 'appreciate' it. I was simply pointing out on grounds of safety that it's always a consideration by any Police force.
But interestingly enough, this topic crops up at every Meet The Owners event, whereby somebody asks the question as to why we don't keep the away fans behind for 10 or 15 minutes just like Rovers fans are kept behind at away venues. Now, I don't do all DRFC away games, but I do a fair few, and yet I can't ever remember Rovers fans being kept back, at all. Maybe somebody could enlighten me?
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Not exactly the same but the Rovers supporters coaches were held back for an hour outside Charlton's ground following the penalty shoot out. This was with good reason as there were still groups of Charlton fans at every junction on leaving the ground.
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I wouldn't appreciate being held back in the ground due to troublemakers if I had a train to catch. We usually keep our wits about us and avoid the aggro in these situations, as we did coming out of Rotherham's stadium last year. Aside from the fact the walkways were on separate levels allowing Rotherham fans to spit at us from above, I'd say it is perfectly possible to avoid being caught up in trouble between the two sets of fans.
Quite frankly, on that day, the behaviour of our fans in the ground was just as bad as the Rotherham fans anyway.
I wouldn't suggest that you would 'appreciate' it. I was simply pointing out on grounds of safety that it's always a consideration by any Police force.
But interestingly enough, this topic crops up at every Meet The Owners event, whereby somebody asks the question as to why we don't keep the away fans behind for 10 or 15 minutes just like Rovers fans are kept behind at away venues. Now, I don't do all DRFC away games, but I do a fair few, and yet I can't ever remember Rovers fans being kept back, at all. Maybe somebody could enlighten me?
It’s a long time ago but I seem to remember us being held back at Chester's old ground after a crap 3-1 defeat in the early rounds of the FA cup in the early 80s..
On looking this up, it could have been 1986, although it seems like earlier.!!
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I wouldn't appreciate being held back in the ground due to troublemakers if I had a train to catch. We usually keep our wits about us and avoid the aggro in these situations, as we did coming out of Rotherham's stadium last year. Aside from the fact the walkways were on separate levels allowing Rotherham fans to spit at us from above, I'd say it is perfectly possible to avoid being caught up in trouble between the two sets of fans.
Quite frankly, on that day, the behaviour of our fans in the ground was just as bad as the Rotherham fans anyway.
I wouldn't suggest that you would 'appreciate' it. I was simply pointing out on grounds of safety that it's always a consideration by any Police force.
But interestingly enough, this topic crops up at every Meet The Owners event, whereby somebody asks the question as to why we don't keep the away fans behind for 10 or 15 minutes just like Rovers fans are kept behind at away venues. Now, I don't do all DRFC away games, but I do a fair few, and yet I can't ever remember Rovers fans being kept back, at all. Maybe somebody could enlighten me?
It’s a long time ago but I seem to remember us being held back at Chester's old ground after a crap 3-1 defeat in the early rounds of the FA cup in the eagerly 80s..
I can remember being held back at Mansfield in the early 90s - situation soon resolved by enough pressure being put on the gates for them to burst open ;-)
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Nuneaton away in conference , they brought in bouncers from Coventry for the game to act as stewards as they feared trouble happening
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That last Rotherham away was pretty bad outside the ground. As mentioned above, the fact they streamed the walkway for both sets of fans directly parallel, with Rotherham fans spitting and throwing stuff down onto us after the match. Pretty scary when you're with a child.
I must admit to a wry smile at some of the admittedly tasteless paedo chants though.
They also really shafted us in the final few minutes which was gut wrenching.
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I can remember being held back when away at the KC Stadium. All that happened is hull fans hung around in the dark places back to the car park and ambushed us.
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I can remember being held back when away at the KC Stadium. All that happened is hull fans hung around in the dark places back to the car park and ambushed us.
I remember that. Walking back to the station over that bridge beside the ground and into a crappy housing estate. I heard (though didn’t see) quite a few punch ups going on
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I wouldn't appreciate being held back in the ground due to troublemakers if I had a train to catch. We usually keep our wits about us and avoid the aggro in these situations, as we did coming out of Rotherham's stadium last year. Aside from the fact the walkways were on separate levels allowing Rotherham fans to spit at us from above, I'd say it is perfectly possible to avoid being caught up in trouble between the two sets of fans.
Quite frankly, on that day, the behaviour of our fans in the ground was just as bad as the Rotherham fans anyway.
I wouldn't suggest that you would 'appreciate' it. I was simply pointing out on grounds of safety that it's always a consideration by any Police force.
But interestingly enough, this topic crops up at every Meet The Owners event, whereby somebody asks the question as to why we don't keep the away fans behind for 10 or 15 minutes just like Rovers fans are kept behind at away venues. Now, I don't do all DRFC away games, but I do a fair few, and yet I can't ever remember Rovers fans being kept back, at all. Maybe somebody could enlighten me?
I wasn't saying you were. It wasn't a post aimed at you or your post, just my opinion on the notion of being held back in grounds. I concur, can't remember being held back after a game for a long time.
Mark Lyall is right about Nuneaton, I remember that. Was only young myself, we seemed to outnumber the home fans two to one that day and the stewards were very much overdoing it. I remember a bloke trying to cross the pitch to take his little daughter to a toilet since we were all stuck on their dinky terrace, and being escorted back to the stand by two of them.
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I wouldn't appreciate being held back in the ground due to troublemakers if I had a train to catch. We usually keep our wits about us and avoid the aggro in these situations, as we did coming out of Rotherham's stadium last year. Aside from the fact the walkways were on separate levels allowing Rotherham fans to spit at us from above, I'd say it is perfectly possible to avoid being caught up in trouble between the two sets of fans.
Quite frankly, on that day, the behaviour of our fans in the ground was just as bad as the Rotherham fans anyway.
I wouldn't suggest that you would 'appreciate' it. I was simply pointing out on grounds of safety that it's always a consideration by any Police force.
But interestingly enough, this topic crops up at every Meet The Owners event, whereby somebody asks the question as to why we don't keep the away fans behind for 10 or 15 minutes just like Rovers fans are kept behind at away venues. Now, I don't do all DRFC away games, but I do a fair few, and yet I can't ever remember Rovers fans being kept back, at all. Maybe somebody could enlighten me?
It’s a long time ago but I seem to remember us being held back at Chester's old ground after a crap 3-1 defeat in the early rounds of the FA cup in the eagerly 80s..
I can remember being held back at Mansfield in the early 90s - situation soon resolved by enough pressure being put on the gates for them to burst open ;-)
I remember being held back at Mansfield. I’d just passed my driving test so would have been 1995. Did we play them in the cup that year?
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Yes. I was surprised we were let out at the same time. Minority of fans having a pop at each other and some not being able to resist escalating it from verbals, not even being deterred by the police. It would make sense to be held back so that the majority don't get caught up in it.
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Nuneaton away in conference , they brought in bouncers from Coventry for the game to act as stewards as they feared trouble happening
I remember that one. We had more fans there than they did. 800 if I remember correctly.
Justin Jackson Scored in a 3-1 win. Yes honest he did. :clapping:
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I will not be attending any more Rovers away games until the club sorts its idiots out, if you go looking for trouble it will find you, too many of these so called fans do exactly that.
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I will not be attending any more Rovers away games until the club sorts its idiots out, if you go looking for trouble it will find you, too many of these so called fans do exactly that.
I understand how you feel and respect your decision not to go any more but thats a real shame because by doing that you are letting those morons win.
We need to stand firm, point out trouble makers to stewards and Police and get the club to take the firmest action they are able to take.
We need to sort this out once and for all.
If 250/500 of our fans think like you & abandon the club because of these morons then that is a total travesty.
The exact opposite of what the club are trying to do which is create a family friendly environment.
We also want as many genuine fans as possible travelling to away matches to support the team in the correct way.
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One for silent majority, not sure if he can shed any light on it though.
Why were Rotherham given a free run of our town when they came here last, with Rovers supporters turned away from or own pubs, and on the return, any fans there early for a drink were put on a train bsck to Doncaster.
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We went on the train and went to a pub near the ground for a couple of beers.
There were Rotherham fans in there too.
No trouble and good banter.
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One for silent majority, not sure if he can shed any light on it though.
Why were Rotherham given a free run of our town when they came here last, with Rovers supporters turned away from or own pubs, and on the return, any fans there early for a drink were put on a train bsck to Doncaster.
At the time that DRFC fans were returned to Doncaster under a section 35 I asked anybody who had one of these notices to contact me and I would appeal on their behalf. Nobody came forward. If we just put up and shut up then things will carry on pretty much as they are.
However, I can tell you that things will be changing for next season. SYP are very keen to help in changing the approach to Policing of football matches and several initiatives are now under way which should benefit all of us. I can probably expand on this at some later date. But if you wish to keep up to date the twitter handle, @SYPIAG, will be confirming things as we go forward.
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One for silent majority, not sure if he can shed any light on it though.
Why were Rotherham given a free run of our town when they came here last, with Rovers supporters turned away from or own pubs, and on the return, any fans there early for a drink were put on a train bsck to Doncaster.
It's probably because Rotherham is a small poxy town centre with hardly anywhere to go.
Donny is massive in comparison and can easily accommodate 30k race goers and 12k football fans on the same day.
Rotherham is just a shit Mexborough
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One for silent majority, not sure if he can shed any light on it though.
Why were Rotherham given a free run of our town when they came here last, with Rovers supporters turned away from or own pubs, and on the return, any fans there early for a drink were put on a train bsck to Doncaster.
It's probably because Rotherham is a small poxy town centre with hardly anywhere to go.
Donny is massive in comparison and can easily accommodate 30k race goers and 12k football fans on the same day.
Rotherham is just a shit Mexborough
Does that mean it’s not a very nice place?
Wish you would say what you really think and stop sitting on the fence. ;)
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Is there a more overly confrontational and hopelessly counter-productive match day policing operation than the Humberside Constabulary?
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Is there a more overly confrontational and hopelessly counter-productive match day policing operation than the Humberside Constabulary?
Yes. South Yorkshire Police.
Speaking as an away fan SYP have one of the worst attitudes I have come across. Their attitude is very antagonistic along with their constant demands for changing kick off time and days. Very amateur compared to some.
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Is there a more overly confrontational and hopelessly counter-productive match day policing operation than the Humberside Constabulary?
Yes. South Yorkshire Police.
Speaking as an away fan SYP have one of the worst attitudes I have come across. Their attitude is very antagonistic along with their constant demands for changing kick off time and days. Very amateur compared to some.
Millwalls reputation will have a lot more to do with the kick off changes. Same happens with leeds.
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Humberside Police almost escorted us all the way home to Cantley on one occasion. Ridiculous.
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One for silent majority, not sure if he can shed any light on it though.
Why were Rotherham given a free run of our town when they came here last, with Rovers supporters turned away from or own pubs, and on the return, any fans there early for a drink were put on a train bsck to Doncaster.
That reminded me of when groups of Scunny fans and Rovers fans was fighting in Yates in town,Chairs,pint pots etc involved,I believe it was caught on tape and several Rovers fans was charged with some receiving prison sentences,however none of the Scunny fans was charged,because the SYP said they could not identify any of them because they was not from Donny?Now I cannot remember for certain,if it was on TV/Radio news,but I think I read it in the Free press,and I realise they often paint a picture of a situation to look worse than it is to get people to buy the paper,so how much detail is true I not sure,but to send someone to prison,but not others because when they are both guilty,just because they cannot/don't want to work with another county's police force is wrong,no?
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I remember West Midlands Police being particularly ‘robust’ back in the 80’s. Once at Walsall they were literally picking fans at random and chucking them out.
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I remember West Midlands Police being particularly ‘robust’ back in the 80’s. Once at Walsall they were literally picking fans at random and chucking them out.
Much like those stewards at Sheffield Wednesday then when we beat them with Machedas goal.
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I remember West Midlands Police being particularly ‘robust’ back in the 80’s. Once at Walsall they were literally picking fans at random and chucking them out.
Do they cover Aston Villa games too? Because I have a couple of friends who got thrown out of Villa park away end in,I think 1987,and they swear they never did nothing wrong.
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I remember West Midlands Police being particularly ‘robust’ back in the 80’s. Once at Walsall they were literally picking fans at random and chucking them out.
Do they cover Aston Villa games too? Because I have a couple of friends who got thrown out of Villa park away end in,I think 1987,and they swear they never did nothing wrong.
They do.
But in fairness to WMP they have been setting the trend on reforming Policing at football for the last few years.
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I remember West Midlands Police being particularly ‘robust’ back in the 80’s. Once at Walsall they were literally picking fans at random and chucking them out.
Do they cover Aston Villa games too? Because I have a couple of friends who got thrown out of Villa park away end in,I think 1987,and they swear they never did nothing wrong.
They do.
But in fairness to WMP they have been setting the trend on reforming Policing at football for the last few years.
Thats good to hear.Lots of things have changed since the 80's,including my attraction to the Ladies. :lol:
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Is there a more overly confrontational and hopelessly counter-productive match day policing operation than the Humberside Constabulary?
Yes. South Yorkshire Police.
Speaking as an away fan SYP have one of the worst attitudes I have come across. Their attitude is very antagonistic along with their constant demands for changing kick off time and days. Very amateur compared to some.
Millwalls reputation will have a lot more to do with the kick off changes. Same happens with leeds.
They're living in the past, nothing ever happens nowadays. They're using excuses from thirty years ago to justify extra overtime.
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Is there a more overly confrontational and hopelessly counter-productive match day policing operation than the Humberside Constabulary?
Yes. South Yorkshire Police.
Speaking as an away fan SYP have one of the worst attitudes I have come across. Their attitude is very antagonistic along with their constant demands for changing kick off time and days. Very amateur compared to some.
Millwalls reputation will have a lot more to do with the kick off changes. Same happens with leeds.
They're living in the past, nothing ever happens nowadays. They're using excuses from thirty years ago to justify extra overtime.
I agree with you completely. It's a sorry state of affairs that normal football fans are treated as criminals just because they are going to a match. It's an easy out for them to treat everyone badly rather than targeting the people who are causing trouble.
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Is there a more overly confrontational and hopelessly counter-productive match day policing operation than the Humberside Constabulary?
Yes. South Yorkshire Police.
Speaking as an away fan SYP have one of the worst attitudes I have come across. Their attitude is very antagonistic along with their constant demands for changing kick off time and days. Very amateur compared to some.
Millwalls reputation will have a lot more to do with the kick off changes. Same happens with leeds.
They're living in the past, nothing ever happens nowadays. They're using excuses from thirty years ago to justify extra overtime.
Or, maybe nothing happens because of the large police presence.
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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jan/28/police-condemn-pre-match-fa-cup-football-violence-millwall-everton-fans (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jan/28/police-condemn-pre-match-fa-cup-football-violence-millwall-everton-fans)
This article details trouble in a Millwall game as recently as January this year, including an Everton fan having his face slashed by an apparent Millwall "fan".
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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jan/28/police-condemn-pre-match-fa-cup-football-violence-millwall-everton-fans (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jan/28/police-condemn-pre-match-fa-cup-football-violence-millwall-everton-fans)
This article details trouble in a Millwall game as recently as January this year, including an Everton fan having his face slashed by an apparent Millwall "fan".
Is that the plumb who was cut with his own knife after plotting up nowhere near the ground with the local Womens Institute on a sightseeing tour of SE London. This is the same person who has been on facebook with a flag behind him showing two crossed Stanley knives bearing the words 'County Road Cutters'. Some of our lot are no angels but Everton came looking for trouble and went away crying when they found it.
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Is there a more overly confrontational and hopelessly counter-productive match day policing operation than the Humberside Constabulary?
Yes. South Yorkshire Police.
Speaking as an away fan SYP have one of the worst attitudes I have come across. Their attitude is very antagonistic along with their constant demands for changing kick off time and days. Very amateur compared to some.
Millwalls reputation will have a lot more to do with the kick off changes. Same happens with leeds.
They're living in the past, nothing ever happens nowadays. They're using excuses from thirty years ago to justify extra overtime.
Or, maybe nothing happens because of the large police presence.
Nothing happens because at most of most of our away games our fans are old men and families. It's only certain games where extra plod is needed.