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pretty fủcking impressive for a first post - too much common sense and solid reasoning for your own good, though - expect a rough ride...oh, and - you are Darren Ferguson and I claim my ten pounds
Anyone who likes the odd bet realizes that its difficult to judge your own team. You have people who are so frustrated and angered by a result that they have a massive knee-jerk over reaction and start claiming that they follow the worst, most unlucky team in sporting history "Typical Rovers".Then there are those that "Support" the team and sing "by far the greatest team the World has ever seen" with absolute sincerity, despite all statistical analysis proving otherwise. "Support" that leaves some Arsenal fans claiming being knockout at the CL last 16 is as good as winning a trophy and "the champion should be the best League Position vs Net Spend and Total wage bill" (an Everton fan on BBC's HYS yesterday). So lets try to be objective about Fergie for a moment. One Relegation/One Promotion: Many say that means the last 2 Seasons balance out but we were Odds-on for promotion at the beginning of this Season and outsiders for relegation at the beginning of last Season (priced up as more likely for promotion than relegation in fact). So in one season he met expectations and the other he fell well short. By his own 3 Year plan we should be a mid Table Championship Team by now.Maybe it was right to give him another Season or 2 last Summer but things have changed. The catastrophic collapse at the business end of both campaigns could be an anomaly or coincidence but lets face it, it probably does points to some underlying problem at the club and maybe not problems related to DF. However, Even the most casual of Rovers fans will have noticed the drop in form at almost exactly the same point two Seasons running which means collectively we are very likely to get trigger happy if next Season starts badly and I doubt the Board will be blaming themselves. So they are in a tough spot thanks to our 3rd place finish. Get rid of Fergie by Mutual consent, giving him the sack or hoping Wolves "Poach" him and it looks like they are saying this Season was a failure despite meeting our objective, or alternatively back the Manager that got us promoted and then potentially have to replace him before Christmas or even Bonfire night. The board could be bold (but wont) and have an amicable split, find a new manager to back, take the flack from the fans and media but know they have done what is best for the club in the medium to long term. What concerns me about Fergie's Managerial style is that its a little more Roy Keane than Sir Alex (i.e. If the hairdryers not working bring out the chainsaw). His old man grew up the son of a Shipbuilder in an era of working class footballers who still had a link with their communities. So its no great surprise he learnt about teamwork and togetherness for the greater good. Darren grew up the son of a major corporations CEO in an era of celebrity footballers who were wealthy, glamorous and had had plenty of media training. So its no great surprise that Darren views the World as an individual rather than as part of a collective. I think this is where his man management issues stem from. He has cultivated a perception that a loss is the players fault and a win is a vindication of "his" way of playing. Unfortunately like Ranieri at Leicester and Moaniniho part 2 at Chelsea the players will eventually resent this double standard. When a win is a player "just doing his job" and a loss is a player "Letting down his Manager" where is the incentive to perform? Couple this with watching the guy in the dugout taking the plaudits for a win and deflecting the blame for a loss and you've got a pretty surefire way to lose the dressing room. His PR skills were again on show after the Hartlepool result, First off Hartlepool feel worse than us so its not that bad, then those players are straight back in Monday Morning for some hairdryer/chainsaw treatment, then get rid of 50% of the Squad before the weeks out to prove you've "learned something about the character of these players". My personel theory on the collapses is that Fergie tells them all that some of them will not be there next Year and down to the fact that he can't help but gob off at anyone who annoys him (Including members of the crowd) the whole squad knows who those players are and that is demoralizing for everyone.In my opinion if we want to be a bold forward thinking Football Club then DF should go. Perhaps a Director of Football role where his PR Skills and eye for a good signing will be utilized but his poor man management will not effect the day-to-day running of the Club. Many teams in many sports use this system one person in charge of long-term success another in charge game by game, It can fool people into thinking David Moyes, Roberto Martinez and Ronald Koeman are architects of success rather than good tactical match day coaches.One more thing:"Players are on the beach" as a metaphor for the Club coasting after promotion but before clinching the Title is all well and good but "Fans on the Pitch" embodies the same principle and actually physically happened. Also giving a Manager credit for being 1-0 up in a game that ended in a 2-1 defeat because "he got us in that position to start with" is clearly wildly unreasonable and illogical, It would also presumably mean Roy Hodgson deserves credit for the Iceland game. A "supporter" doesn't have to defend the indefensible.
Oh and Dicko is gonna tell us yet again that losing a game when you've already been promoted is irrelevant but winning one when you've already been Relegated is massively important
...As for that weird angry guy for Swindon or whatever. I'd like to know which user I remind you of so I can have a read of their posts see if we share similar sensibilities. As far as I'm concerned you'd have to be as sad as Dickos1 to do something like that. In response:LMA League Two Manager of the Year 2017 isn't decide until next Jan.If results in Jan were the same 2 Seasons running you might have a point but they weren't.and finally and most importantly... What makes you think I consider myself an expert? Is it the fact I've written a long post?Most people would think a hypothesis that the says the Manager that has just got us Promoted should be sacked might need a bit of substance to back it up, Agree with me or not I have attempted to put some meat on the bones of my argument which I think is better than writing "you're an idiot" and then composing a 5 page essay on riding your push iron to work on a Football website.
Oh and Dicko is gonna tell us yet again that losing a game when you've already been promoted is irrelevant but winning one when you've already been Relegated is massively importantThere is reality and then there is perception, My point is the fact that most fans both casual and angry red faced types perceive DRFC to have blown a mid table L1 finish and then blown a winning position in the L2 Title hunt means that collectively as a Club we are more than likely going to be very impatient next year. My point was that perhaps rather than sticking our fingers in our ears and closing our eyes we could address the problem in the off-season. Immigrants stealing your jobs and Donald Trump the business genius. Both these statements are clearly not true but the fact that they were perceived to be true by the majority of voters turned out to be a lot more important than the truth. So 1.6 ppg in 2016 vs 0.2 ppg in 2017 might be a big difference but don't expect the November boo boys to give a sh*t.
Quote from: Tarkovsky_Mikluzhkin on May 10, 2017, 02:24:15 amOh and Dicko is gonna tell us yet again that losing a game when you've already been promoted is irrelevant but winning one when you've already been Relegated is massively importantConsidering you signed up just 2 days ago and have only made 6 posts, you seem to know a lot about Dicko?
One of my friends came on here for six months, just reading the stuff, before he joined a few weeks ago.It is an open forum that anyone can read so i don't see anything sinister happening here.