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Trump being aggressive and belligerent at the G7 Summit;He suggests Russia should be welcomed back, to make a G8;Boris Johnson being secretly recorded tonight stating that Trump would make a better job than May of negotiating Brexit;Europe on the back foot in the face of US trade sanctions due to lack of unity;We are going to hell in a hand cart.
Not being a political expert I keep out of this thread but it strikes me that for the people who are involved in the Brexit negotiations, well they face an almost impossible task in trying to get us a decent deal.Whatever they do is deemed to be wrong by their detractors.A chance for political points scoring.It is kind of like being involved in a car crash, then berating the emergency services for not doing their jobs properly when they come to help you.You dont want to be in the car crash in the first place of course but there you are.The people we should be pointing the finger of blame at are the voters who put us in this position.
Quote from: drfchound on June 09, 2018, 08:36:36 amNot being a political expert I keep out of this thread but it strikes me that for the people who are involved in the Brexit negotiations, well they face an almost impossible task in trying to get us a decent deal.Whatever they do is deemed to be wrong by their detractors.A chance for political points scoring.It is kind of like being involved in a car crash, then berating the emergency services for not doing their jobs properly when they come to help you.You dont want to be in the car crash in the first place of course but there you are.The people we should be pointing the finger of blame at are the voters who put us in this position.Thats very judgemental Hound if I may say so and just a little arrogant. Have you every considered it may turn out to be a wise choice (it may not but seems you haven't even considered it)
I thought that tosspot would rear his head again this weekend. The intellectual vacuousness of the Brexit tub-thumpers is spectacularly depressing. They continually harp on about needing a “vision” for post-Brexit Britain but they never EVER propose a vision. Because they know there isn’t one that won’t leave us significantly poorer and weaker. What that t**t is doing is preparing the way for post-Brexit blame. In two years time, when our economy is tanking because of him and his like leading us into voting for a disaster, he’ll claim that the real problem is that May et al didn’t have a vision and everything would have been alright if we did. I hope the bas**rd rots in Hell.
Quote from: Ldr on June 09, 2018, 08:56:36 amQuote from: drfchound on June 09, 2018, 08:36:36 amNot being a political expert I keep out of this thread but it strikes me that for the people who are involved in the Brexit negotiations, well they face an almost impossible task in trying to get us a decent deal.Whatever they do is deemed to be wrong by their detractors.A chance for political points scoring.It is kind of like being involved in a car crash, then berating the emergency services for not doing their jobs properly when they come to help you.You dont want to be in the car crash in the first place of course but there you are.The people we should be pointing the finger of blame at are the voters who put us in this position.Thats very judgemental Hound if I may say so and just a little arrogant. Have you every considered it may turn out to be a wise choice (it may not but seems you haven't even considered it) It's also very accurate. Pray tell me, HOW will 'leave' turn out to be a wise choice? I've seen nothing but rhetoric from leavers so far, meanwhile jobs are leaving the UK and the lot of the worse off in the country, (a large proportion of whom voted leave), are becoming worse off; the situation re the Irish border is no where nearer a solution than when we started, and the deal that was to be so easy as to take no more than ten minutes has hardly progressed at all! The people of this country deserve the BREXIT they think they voted for! But they won't be happy with it!
Oh. f**king. Dear. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/09/arron-banks-russia-brexit-meetingThe man who bankrolled Farage’s Brexit campaign was up to his b*llocks in Russian contacts. Well. Who would have expected that?Still. We took back control, eh?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 10, 2018, 12:17:56 amOh. f**king. Dear. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/09/arron-banks-russia-brexit-meetingThe man who bankrolled Farage’s Brexit campaign was up to his b*llocks in Russian contacts. Well. Who would have expected that?Still. We took back control, eh?A good link Billy. I did end up chipping in a £5 donation to the guardian but it does make you wonder how much there is to come out.
That's one way of looking at it Dutch - another is we are now seeing the failure, fallout and consequences of global capitalism. Maybe Putin enabled the campaigns but it was the people of the UK & US who voted for them.If you want someone to blame, Cameron & Clinton would be nearer the top of my list.