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Lolhttps://mobile.twitter.com/DailyMail/status/1238542657825263616
Before reading the following tweet it is useful to remind yourself that the over 65's are the most vunerable group to covid-19 and the most likely to suffer serious complications/die, the government have not yet put in place any physical measures to stop the spread of covid-19, and people are panic buying toilet roll:https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1238611490921484295
Quote from: wilts rover on March 14, 2020, 08:17:16 amLolhttps://mobile.twitter.com/DailyMail/status/1238542657825263616Canada have said the same. America haven't been testing that many people so they have no idea the true figure there.
I have a difficulty with the assertion that policy is being "guided by the science" when that same policy is not open about the data which is informing decision makers.The best way is to encourage discussion and potential disagreement by full disclosure. The scientific community can then make an informed view on the basis of common data assumptions.Peer review is key to decision making in science. It is not a question of trust the CMO, or the CSO, it is a matter of critical assessment of the available evidence, as it changes across time and location.Here is a pointer from Anthony Costello, ex WHO, about problem areas;https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1238425621375651840.htmlNo more briefings from Johnson, please......experts only, open about their disagreements.BJ and Cummings have no democratic mandate for there current strategy devised inside a closed system.
Quote from: wilts rover on March 14, 2020, 08:55:44 amBefore reading the following tweet it is useful to remind yourself that the over 65's are the most vunerable group to covid-19 and the most likely to suffer serious complications/die, the government have not yet put in place any physical measures to stop the spread of covid-19, and people are panic buying toilet roll:https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1238611490921484295Both me and my wife are over 65 Wilts and have little confidence in this government. I also think that the older generation were brought up to go to work and carry on as normal as possible whatever happened, so maybe don't panic as much as younger folk. This may change as more succumb and fatalities rise.
What a f***ing weasel, it's hard to believe this man belongs to the same species as the rest of us?https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2020/mar/13/coronavirus-trump-slams-reporter-for-nasty-question-over-pandemic-response-team-video
Sheffield University has a C-19 case and is stopping all face to face teaching.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thestar.co.uk/health/university-sheffield-confirms-staff-member-has-coronavirus-it-suspends-face-face-teaching-2450517%3fampSensible precaution.
....On that topic, something has just struck me. I've not seen anyone raise the issue of having a Coalition Govt for the next 6-9 months, as we did in the War. The threat, in terms of the number of deaths and the potential economic dislocation is at least as big. What we need as you say, is critical oversight and consensus on policy. And again, suspending traditional party politics would be THE clearest way of emphasising how serious this is.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 14, 2020, 11:30:37 amSheffield University has a C-19 case and is stopping all face to face teaching.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thestar.co.uk/health/university-sheffield-confirms-staff-member-has-coronavirus-it-suspends-face-face-teaching-2450517%3fampSensible precaution.Maybe. These are young people though. Perhaps if they check who has been exposed and deep clean the buildings it ought to be enough to reopen quickly?
Quote from: albie on March 14, 2020, 02:16:25 amI have a difficulty with the assertion that policy is being "guided by the science" when that same policy is not open about the data which is informing decision makers.The best way is to encourage discussion and potential disagreement by full disclosure. The scientific community can then make an informed view on the basis of common data assumptions.Peer review is key to decision making in science. It is not a question of trust the CMO, or the CSO, it is a matter of critical assessment of the available evidence, as it changes across time and location.Here is a pointer from Anthony Costello, ex WHO, about problem areas;https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1238425621375651840.htmlNo more briefings from Johnson, please......experts only, open about their disagreements.BJ and Cummings have no democratic mandate for there current strategy devised inside a closed system.Albie.I entirely agree. On that topic, something has just struck me. I've not seen anyone raise the issue of having a Coalition Govt for the next 6-9 months, as we did in the War. The threat, in terms of the number of deaths and the potential economic dislocation is at least as big. What we need as you say, is critical oversight and consensus on policy. And again, suspending traditional party politics would be THE clearest way of emphasising how serious this is.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 14, 2020, 10:54:25 amQuote from: albie on March 14, 2020, 02:16:25 amI have a difficulty with the assertion that policy is being "guided by the science" when that same policy is not open about the data which is informing decision makers.The best way is to encourage discussion and potential disagreement by full disclosure. The scientific community can then make an informed view on the basis of common data assumptions.Peer review is key to decision making in science. It is not a question of trust the CMO, or the CSO, it is a matter of critical assessment of the available evidence, as it changes across time and location.Here is a pointer from Anthony Costello, ex WHO, about problem areas;https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1238425621375651840.htmlNo more briefings from Johnson, please......experts only, open about their disagreements.BJ and Cummings have no democratic mandate for there current strategy devised inside a closed system.Albie.I entirely agree. On that topic, something has just struck me. I've not seen anyone raise the issue of having a Coalition Govt for the next 6-9 months, as we did in the War. The threat, in terms of the number of deaths and the potential economic dislocation is at least as big. What we need as you say, is critical oversight and consensus on policy. And again, suspending traditional party politics would be THE clearest way of emphasising how serious this is.The country voted emphatically not to have Labour representation inside Downing Street .If we had a government without a majority then you'd probably make a decent point given the circumstances facing the UK at this moment .
I actually think closing mass gatherings is sensible. Take the football, a lot of older people go to watch the football, it's an open invitation to the virus.The same is true with church services, and I think they should be cancelled now.Schools and universities though I think should remain open for the time being.