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BB Why on earth would you come on this thread throwing complaints about what other people think, but not be prepared to state what you think?Oh yeah! Sorry, I remember. You're not interested in discussion. You only ever want an argument. Dead simple question. Do you think he should resign?
Quote from: glosterred on April 13, 2022, 01:04:26 pmWell, Boris isn’t the first PM to get a fine is heAnd here's a perfect example of someone scratting around to try to provide faux-balance. Quite sad to observe really.
Well, Boris isn’t the first PM to get a fine is he
I don't think any senior Labour Cabinet Minister has ever been found guilty of breaking a law. I think there are other things done by Labour leaders that demanded their resignation. That's why I left the Labour party and refused to vote for them while Blair was PM after the Iraq invasion. But that was a policy issue. The point about Johnson is different and unique. He has unarguably broken a law. He's unarguably and repeatedly lied about it in Parliament.I ask one last time. Do you think he should resign?
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on April 13, 2022, 01:42:05 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 13, 2022, 01:14:10 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 13, 2022, 01:00:00 pmAh, you mean like your only contribution to a topic is to directly attack Boris Johnson or the Tory party in general? Does this mean you don't even respect yourself?If you think that refusing to criticise the only PM in history who set a law, repeatedly exhorted us to follow it, broke it repeatedly in the middle of a national emergency, lied about it repeatedly then was found guilty is something to be proud of, then you are one of the reasons why our political system is so f**ked.Of course you DO think Johnson was wrong to do all those things. I get that. But you can't bring yourself to say it, so you have a go at people who do instead. Which is a very good example of why you don't deserve to be respected. Of course, Johnson was wrong. He himself has admitted he was. The problem I have with it is people who, like you, go on and on and on and on and on and on about it because you have got absolutely f**k all other ways to support your beloved Labour party other than to say how bad the Tories are. Don't you think your beloved Labour party has done worse things in the past than have illegal parties? No? Then THAT'S why our political system is f**ked.Simple, direct question.When a PM is found to have broken a law that he himself brought in, a law that was designed to limit the effect of an epidemic that was killing 1250 people a day at its worst, should he resign?Yes or no?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 13, 2022, 01:14:10 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 13, 2022, 01:00:00 pmAh, you mean like your only contribution to a topic is to directly attack Boris Johnson or the Tory party in general? Does this mean you don't even respect yourself?If you think that refusing to criticise the only PM in history who set a law, repeatedly exhorted us to follow it, broke it repeatedly in the middle of a national emergency, lied about it repeatedly then was found guilty is something to be proud of, then you are one of the reasons why our political system is so f**ked.Of course you DO think Johnson was wrong to do all those things. I get that. But you can't bring yourself to say it, so you have a go at people who do instead. Which is a very good example of why you don't deserve to be respected. Of course, Johnson was wrong. He himself has admitted he was. The problem I have with it is people who, like you, go on and on and on and on and on and on about it because you have got absolutely f**k all other ways to support your beloved Labour party other than to say how bad the Tories are. Don't you think your beloved Labour party has done worse things in the past than have illegal parties? No? Then THAT'S why our political system is f**ked.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on April 13, 2022, 01:00:00 pmAh, you mean like your only contribution to a topic is to directly attack Boris Johnson or the Tory party in general? Does this mean you don't even respect yourself?If you think that refusing to criticise the only PM in history who set a law, repeatedly exhorted us to follow it, broke it repeatedly in the middle of a national emergency, lied about it repeatedly then was found guilty is something to be proud of, then you are one of the reasons why our political system is so f**ked.Of course you DO think Johnson was wrong to do all those things. I get that. But you can't bring yourself to say it, so you have a go at people who do instead. Which is a very good example of why you don't deserve to be respected.
Ah, you mean like your only contribution to a topic is to directly attack Boris Johnson or the Tory party in general? Does this mean you don't even respect yourself?
Saw this on Twitter and it sums up many a thread on this forum and this one in particular Every single one of us is more lenient and willing to overlook foibles and transgressions of our own political 'side' than the other. Am surprised anyone thinks otherwise to be honest
For what my opinion is worth, I think he should not resign.
Quote from: glosterred on April 13, 2022, 03:58:25 pmSaw this on Twitter and it sums up many a thread on this forum and this one in particular Every single one of us is more lenient and willing to overlook foibles and transgressions of our own political 'side' than the other. Am surprised anyone thinks otherwise to be honestAnd THIS is precisely what I was saying earlier. This is the normalisation of previously unacceptable behaviour by the line "well the other side wouldn't be any better."There's a massive elephant in the room for anyone who subscribes to that opinion. The other side HASN'T done anything remotely like this. No PM of any party in our entire history has ever passed a law aimed at protecting lives in a medical crisis, then broken that law, then repeatedly lied about breaking that law, then been found guilty of breaking the law, and accepted that guilty verdict and not resigned.If a Labour PM had ever done a quarter of that, I would be screaming for them to resign.
Saw this on Twitter and it sums up many a thread on this forum and this one in particular Every single one of us is more lenient and willing to overlook foibles and transgressions of our own political 'side' than the other. Am surprised anyone thinks otherwise to be honest
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on April 13, 2022, 04:26:14 pmFor what my opinion is worth, I think he should not resign.Well that took some wringing out of you. But at least we have it on record that a PM can break the law and lie to Parliament about breaking the law and you still think he should be PM. Thanks. I'll keep that in mind if you ever contribute on related issues in future.
Quote from: glosterred on April 13, 2022, 03:58:25 pmSaw this on Twitter and it sums up many a thread on this forum and this one in particular Every single one of us is more lenient and willing to overlook foibles and transgressions of our own political 'side' than the other. Am surprised anyone thinks otherwise to be honestNot true at all. There are several prominent Tory's on here who have no problem in criticising criminal actions by their own leader - and fair play to all of them.The radio is full of people who say they have voted Tory all their life - and never will again - or at least as long as Johnson is leader.Some of their more prominent critics of Starmer are Labour supporters. Just as those of Corbyn were too.Johnson is a different kind of leader - a man with no principles, political or otherwise, who wants power purely for the sake of having power and will do whatever it takes to hang onto it. He attracts likeminded disciples. As you can see on this thread.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 13, 2022, 02:10:13 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 13, 2022, 01:42:05 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 13, 2022, 01:14:10 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 13, 2022, 01:00:00 pmAh, you mean like your only contribution to a topic is to directly attack Boris Johnson or the Tory party in general? Does this mean you don't even respect yourself?If you think that refusing to criticise the only PM in history who set a law, repeatedly exhorted us to follow it, broke it repeatedly in the middle of a national emergency, lied about it repeatedly then was found guilty is something to be proud of, then you are one of the reasons why our political system is so f**ked.Of course you DO think Johnson was wrong to do all those things. I get that. But you can't bring yourself to say it, so you have a go at people who do instead. Which is a very good example of why you don't deserve to be respected. Of course, Johnson was wrong. He himself has admitted he was. The problem I have with it is people who, like you, go on and on and on and on and on and on about it because you have got absolutely f**k all other ways to support your beloved Labour party other than to say how bad the Tories are. Don't you think your beloved Labour party has done worse things in the past than have illegal parties? No? Then THAT'S why our political system is f**ked.Simple, direct question.When a PM is found to have broken a law that he himself brought in, a law that was designed to limit the effect of an epidemic that was killing 1250 people a day at its worst, should he resign?Yes or no?He should resign because of the whole of the party stuff, that's obvious. Ironically though the one he's been fined for (so far) probably is negligible because it is true that many did things like that in their workplaces at times and it's pretty minor. The other stuff, absolutely not and I hope they pull him up on it.As for your point on Ukraine, he's led well on that imo, but that doesn't excuse the things that went on around his property and the lies that followed.
You're wasting your time RD. He's beyond talking to. He's obsessed with the idea that, because Starmer once slipped up in an angry exchange in the House, said something wrong and corrected it shortly after, he's a liar just like Johnson is.Actually,vi suspect he doesn't really believe that, but he needs to claim he does just so he can make his point in here. Either way, he's beyond reasoning with. One day I'll stop biting.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 13, 2022, 06:46:37 pmYou're wasting your time RD. He's beyond talking to. He's obsessed with the idea that, because Starmer once slipped up in an angry exchange in the House, said something wrong and corrected it shortly after, he's a liar just like Johnson is.Actually,vi suspect he doesn't really believe that, but he needs to claim he does just so he can make his point in here. Either way, he's beyond reasoning with. One day I'll stop biting. I think personally there are much better and worse people on all sides of politics than Johnson.
Quote from: wilts rover on April 13, 2022, 04:48:10 pmQuote from: glosterred on April 13, 2022, 03:58:25 pmSaw this on Twitter and it sums up many a thread on this forum and this one in particular Every single one of us is more lenient and willing to overlook foibles and transgressions of our own political 'side' than the other. Am surprised anyone thinks otherwise to be honestNot true at all. There are several prominent Tory's on here who have no problem in criticising criminal actions by their own leader - and fair play to all of them.The radio is full of people who say they have voted Tory all their life - and never will again - or at least as long as Johnson is leader.Some of their more prominent critics of Starmer are Labour supporters. Just as those of Corbyn were too.Johnson is a different kind of leader - a man with no principles, political or otherwise, who wants power purely for the sake of having power and will do whatever it takes to hang onto it. He attracts likeminded disciples. As you can see on this thread.Hi wilts.I am curious about who you see as prominent Tory’s on the forum.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 13, 2022, 06:46:37 pmYou're wasting your time RD. He's beyond talking to. He's obsessed with the idea that, because Starmer once slipped up in an angry exchange in the House, said something wrong and corrected it shortly after, he's a liar just like Johnson is.Actually,vi suspect he doesn't really believe that, but he needs to claim he does just so he can make his point in here. Either way, he's beyond reasoning with. One day I'll stop biting. https://novaramedia.com/2021/09/29/keir-starmer-is-just-as-dishonest-as-boris-johnson/
Well the Justice Minister has resigned.That says a lot about what he thinks of Bojo.
Quote from: idler on April 13, 2022, 07:21:32 pmWell the Justice Minister has resigned.That says a lot about what he thinks of Bojo.Ooofff, he's the second justice minister to walk. That's a blow.I wonder if things might start unraveling now.