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Dark forces at work here.The Home Secretary overseas everything the Police does. Especially so when her own are being investigated.And now Metpol saying they don’t want certain Disclosures made as it may undermine their enquiry? Is this the Metpol stance, or are they under influence by the very people they are trying to investigate. A very, very tangled web.
I'll just have a beer and stand at the window.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on January 28, 2022, 05:06:03 pmI'll just have a beer and stand at the window.Cake?
I've thought about this for many many years probably from the time of the financial crash in 2008 .You know you can corrupt everything you want to retain power , rig the game anyway you want , pass this law that law or even have the armed forces backing you .History tells us that only works for a certain period of time .History tells us that if you don't quite get the balance right between corruption , a rigged society and enough to eat for the vast majority of the people it isn't going to end well for those at the top .All it takes is a spark , I wouldn't suggest for one minute we are even close right now but the direction of travel isn't good I have to say .It could go up in the US any day and in my opinion it probably will descend in to a civil war and that day isn't too far away .I sincerely hope it never happens here but I wouldn't dismiss massive disorder breaking out either given as I say the direction of travel this country is heading towards .
Quote from: tyke1962 on January 28, 2022, 08:39:18 pmI've thought about this for many many years probably from the time of the financial crash in 2008 .You know you can corrupt everything you want to retain power , rig the game anyway you want , pass this law that law or even have the armed forces backing you .History tells us that only works for a certain period of time .History tells us that if you don't quite get the balance right between corruption , a rigged society and enough to eat for the vast majority of the people it isn't going to end well for those at the top .All it takes is a spark , I wouldn't suggest for one minute we are even close right now but the direction of travel isn't good I have to say .It could go up in the US any day and in my opinion it probably will descend in to a civil war and that day isn't too far away .I sincerely hope it never happens here but I wouldn't dismiss massive disorder breaking out either given as I say the direction of travel this country is heading towards .I agree, in the current climate civil disobedience can’t be too far away, if this was happening in another Country the UK would be shouting corruption from the rooftops
Quote from: Filo on January 28, 2022, 08:58:56 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 28, 2022, 08:39:18 pmI've thought about this for many many years probably from the time of the financial crash in 2008 .You know you can corrupt everything you want to retain power , rig the game anyway you want , pass this law that law or even have the armed forces backing you .History tells us that only works for a certain period of time .History tells us that if you don't quite get the balance right between corruption , a rigged society and enough to eat for the vast majority of the people it isn't going to end well for those at the top .All it takes is a spark , I wouldn't suggest for one minute we are even close right now but the direction of travel isn't good I have to say .It could go up in the US any day and in my opinion it probably will descend in to a civil war and that day isn't too far away .I sincerely hope it never happens here but I wouldn't dismiss massive disorder breaking out either given as I say the direction of travel this country is heading towards .I agree, in the current climate civil disobedience can’t be too far away, if this was happening in another Country the UK would be shouting corruption from the rooftopsThere's clearly nothing Johnson and his minions won't throw under the bus to hold on to power .Once the state decides to limit its powers and focus on those who aren't at the top of the tree you are heading in to very serious territory .As an enemy of the state in 84/85 I'm more than well placed to know what it's capabilities are , it's never left me .However this is different territory today , this isn't about putting down some trade union and it's leader this has consequences for everybody who is just about getting by .Just about getting by is measured in millions rather than a NUM membership in to the thousands .I'm of the opinion since 2008 almost everything is capable of happening and all it needs is for want of a better term " a perfect storm " .
All this talk over a party in June 2020, when it was first reported in June of that year no one gave a shit, why now?https://order-order.com/2022/01/28/burns-claims-boris-denies-birthday-cake/
Quote from: tyke1962 on January 28, 2022, 09:40:54 pmQuote from: Filo on January 28, 2022, 08:58:56 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 28, 2022, 08:39:18 pmI've thought about this for many many years probably from the time of the financial crash in 2008 .You know you can corrupt everything you want to retain power , rig the game anyway you want , pass this law that law or even have the armed forces backing you .History tells us that only works for a certain period of time .History tells us that if you don't quite get the balance right between corruption , a rigged society and enough to eat for the vast majority of the people it isn't going to end well for those at the top .All it takes is a spark , I wouldn't suggest for one minute we are even close right now but the direction of travel isn't good I have to say .It could go up in the US any day and in my opinion it probably will descend in to a civil war and that day isn't too far away .I sincerely hope it never happens here but I wouldn't dismiss massive disorder breaking out either given as I say the direction of travel this country is heading towards .I agree, in the current climate civil disobedience can’t be too far away, if this was happening in another Country the UK would be shouting corruption from the rooftopsThere's clearly nothing Johnson and his minions won't throw under the bus to hold on to power .Once the state decides to limit its powers and focus on those who aren't at the top of the tree you are heading in to very serious territory .As an enemy of the state in 84/85 I'm more than well placed to know what it's capabilities are , it's never left me .However this is different territory today , this isn't about putting down some trade union and it's leader this has consequences for everybody who is just about getting by .Just about getting by is measured in millions rather than a NUM membership in to the thousands .I'm of the opinion since 2008 almost everything is capable of happening and all it needs is for want of a better term " a perfect storm " .And going back to 84, we all know what the Met were like and what they stand for, Tory private army
Quote from: glosterred on January 28, 2022, 09:43:31 pmAll this talk over a party in June 2020, when it was first reported in June of that year no one gave a shit, why now?https://order-order.com/2022/01/28/burns-claims-boris-denies-birthday-cake/Ever heard of Marie Antoinette?Entitlement and arrogance in the face of real hardship. That's what's coming.
Quote from: River Don on January 28, 2022, 09:52:22 pmQuote from: glosterred on January 28, 2022, 09:43:31 pmAll this talk over a party in June 2020, when it was first reported in June of that year no one gave a shit, why now?https://order-order.com/2022/01/28/burns-claims-boris-denies-birthday-cake/Ever heard of Marie Antoinette?Entitlement and arrogance in the face of real hardship. That's what's coming.Yep, it's just confirmation of the tory view that law and order is for everyone else.
Quote from: SydneyRover on January 28, 2022, 10:30:03 pmQuote from: River Don on January 28, 2022, 09:52:22 pmQuote from: glosterred on January 28, 2022, 09:43:31 pmAll this talk over a party in June 2020, when it was first reported in June of that year no one gave a shit, why now?https://order-order.com/2022/01/28/burns-claims-boris-denies-birthday-cake/Ever heard of Marie Antoinette?Entitlement and arrogance in the face of real hardship. That's what's coming.Yep, it's just confirmation of the tory view that law and order is for everyone else.Certainly looks that way with people like Reese Mogg who think it's all just a game to push the limits of the law as far as they can.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 25, 2022, 02:03:47 pmThis looks like it could be the cover up to end all cover ups.The plan, apparently, is to publish all the parts of the Gray report that don't refer to the things that the Met is investigating.So the redacted report will have no smoking gun.Then if the Met investigate and report that there is nothing to justify them taking any action, the redacted parts of the Gray report can be shelved as irrelevant.Is that realistic? Well the Electoral Commission gave the Met a file on illegal use of funds by the Leave side in the 2016 Ref. The Met sat on it for two years, while Johnson was elected, then summarily announced that there was no case to answer. To the best of my knowledge, they have never explained the basis of that decision. And attention moves on.Here we go. Step 1 of the cover up.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60166997Step 2 will be Johnson crowing next week that he's released the report in full for all to see and as he said all along, there's nothing to see.Step 3 will be the Met dragging out their investigation for weeks or months until everyone is bored or has forgotten that revulsion they felt when they first heard about Johnson's partying.Step 4 will be Cressida Dick saying that while there may have been some contraventions of the letter of the law, there's nothing to warrant prosecutions.Step 5 is Johnson standing up in Parliament saying "I told you all along that I'd been honest on this point. I've been entirely vindicated. But it's clear that there was a culture among staff where the rules were flouted, and I'm disgusted at that. I have sacked several of my No10 team."Just watch them try to roll it out.Everyone who applies their brain to this will know it is b*llocks.But that's not what matters. Johnson is a new breed of politician. We've never had his like before. He has absolutely zero capacity for shame. All that matters to him is power. It doesn't matter to him if people know he's a lying bas**rd. What matters is whether they support him. If this plan rolls out and he is still supported by a large enough number of voters, he might well survive. And then our democracy truly is off the edge of the cliff.
This looks like it could be the cover up to end all cover ups.The plan, apparently, is to publish all the parts of the Gray report that don't refer to the things that the Met is investigating.So the redacted report will have no smoking gun.Then if the Met investigate and report that there is nothing to justify them taking any action, the redacted parts of the Gray report can be shelved as irrelevant.Is that realistic? Well the Electoral Commission gave the Met a file on illegal use of funds by the Leave side in the 2016 Ref. The Met sat on it for two years, while Johnson was elected, then summarily announced that there was no case to answer. To the best of my knowledge, they have never explained the basis of that decision. And attention moves on.
Quote from: glosterred on January 28, 2022, 09:43:31 pmAll this talk over a party in June 2020, when it was first reported in June of that year no one gave a shit, why now?https://order-order.com/2022/01/28/burns-claims-boris-denies-birthday-cake/Because the Prime Minister hadn't lied to Parliament about it then, that's why.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 28, 2022, 10:12:03 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 25, 2022, 02:03:47 pmThis looks like it could be the cover up to end all cover ups.The plan, apparently, is to publish all the parts of the Gray report that don't refer to the things that the Met is investigating.So the redacted report will have no smoking gun.Then if the Met investigate and report that there is nothing to justify them taking any action, the redacted parts of the Gray report can be shelved as irrelevant.Is that realistic? Well the Electoral Commission gave the Met a file on illegal use of funds by the Leave side in the 2016 Ref. The Met sat on it for two years, while Johnson was elected, then summarily announced that there was no case to answer. To the best of my knowledge, they have never explained the basis of that decision. And attention moves on.Here we go. Step 1 of the cover up.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60166997Step 2 will be Johnson crowing next week that he's released the report in full for all to see and as he said all along, there's nothing to see.Step 3 will be the Met dragging out their investigation for weeks or months until everyone is bored or has forgotten that revulsion they felt when they first heard about Johnson's partying.Step 4 will be Cressida Dick saying that while there may have been some contraventions of the letter of the law, there's nothing to warrant prosecutions.Step 5 is Johnson standing up in Parliament saying "I told you all along that I'd been honest on this point. I've been entirely vindicated. But it's clear that there was a culture among staff where the rules were flouted, and I'm disgusted at that. I have sacked several of my No10 team."Just watch them try to roll it out.Everyone who applies their brain to this will know it is b*llocks.But that's not what matters. Johnson is a new breed of politician. We've never had his like before. He has absolutely zero capacity for shame. All that matters to him is power. It doesn't matter to him if people know he's a lying bas**rd. What matters is whether they support him. If this plan rolls out and he is still supported by a large enough number of voters, he might well survive. And then our democracy truly is off the edge of the cliff. Step 1a is in place. Gray is submitting a redacted report. Deputy Editor of Sky News says he's been informed that Gray will NOT be submitting an unredacted version for publication once the police investigation is over. So, on police instruction, all the most sensitive parts of Gray's report will now never be published. It is 100% the choice of Cressida Dick what the public and Parliament get to see. That gives her a clear path to Step 4.This stinks to high heaven. And they aren't even trying to hide what they are doing. Because, probably rightly, they think that not enough people care enough.