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Labour have said what the VAT does raise will go to state schools, maybe they can reduce the ₤11bn backlog of repairs required.
This change of policy is simply another attempt to win over, or not lose, votes from that section of people - around 550,000 kids are privately educated.Removing the charitable status would obviously mean private schools become more exclusive, and it would be the poorer of that section who would lose out, so in a sense, idealogically included, it makes sense for a centre right Labour Party to scrap this policy.The education system is kak, but unless you are a fully signed up elitist, there is no place for private schools, and meanwhile the less there are the better - just someone please start by removing the ones at the top first which removing the charitable status won't do.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on September 28, 2023, 04:24:29 pmThis change of policy is simply another attempt to win over, or not lose, votes from that section of people - around 550,000 kids are privately educated.Removing the charitable status would obviously mean private schools become more exclusive, and it would be the poorer of that section who would lose out, so in a sense, idealogically included, it makes sense for a centre right Labour Party to scrap this policy.The education system is kak, but unless you are a fully signed up elitist, there is no place for private schools, and meanwhile the less there are the better - just someone please start by removing the ones at the top first which removing the charitable status won't do.The politics of envy, this will do bugger all for working class kids and in effect will hinder the smartest of them from being able to attend a school that wants to educate them to a standard that will benefit them and the country overall.But no, lets force them into sink schools similar to the likes of the one that the poor young girl from Croydon attended.Will do wonders for pupil attainment and future progression, as if we need more kids from under performing schools.The country is truly going to the dogs, with u turning politicians leading it.
Quote from: danumdon on September 28, 2023, 04:52:59 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on September 28, 2023, 04:24:29 pmThis change of policy is simply another attempt to win over, or not lose, votes from that section of people - around 550,000 kids are privately educated.Removing the charitable status would obviously mean private schools become more exclusive, and it would be the poorer of that section who would lose out, so in a sense, idealogically included, it makes sense for a centre right Labour Party to scrap this policy.The education system is kak, but unless you are a fully signed up elitist, there is no place for private schools, and meanwhile the less there are the better - just someone please start by removing the ones at the top first which removing the charitable status won't do.The politics of envy, this will do bugger all for working class kids and in effect will hinder the smartest of them from being able to attend a school that wants to educate them to a standard that will benefit them and the country overall.But no, lets force them into sink schools similar to the likes of the one that the poor young girl from Croydon attended.Will do wonders for pupil attainment and future progression, as if we need more kids from under performing schools.The country is truly going to the dogs, with u turning politicians leading it.Envy, no. Any society that has elitist institutions, especially for children is the opposite of being wholesome. Note that it produces catastrophies like Johnson, but also so many other powerful and influencial people that destroy what is good.What is it that you think is good about them?
So because they produced a cretin like Johnson they need to be scrapped and removed? You do realise that if you scrapped every private school tomorrow the overall standard of attainment in Uk schools would plummet to a level on a par with 3rd world countries, to say nothing of the massive disruption in state schools to accommodate all these extra pupils.They also produce leaders and innovators, people who will benefit society as a whole, i mean does this country truly need more underachieving kids?Is it the right thing to do to lose a very bright working class kid into our sub standard comprehensive system when with they could flourish in an environment that will assist them.You stick with your right on class war mate and watch this country sink to levels no one could ever contemplate.
TommyI don't understand. If the advantage is hard wired in by the age of 3, why pay for a private education?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 28, 2023, 08:22:02 pmTommyI don't understand. If the advantage is hard wired in by the age of 3, why pay for a private education?Surely that only gets you so far? My school had pretty poor facilities, poor options and not the best teaching at all, I've created an ok life and career despite that not because of it. I've no doubt if I had better schooling I'd have been more successful.
Anecdotal evidence is useless.That said, I'll give you my anecdote. My sister won a scholarship to a fee paying school in Herts. She won a scholarship for tennis, still it cost my dad a pretty penny.I did better than her at uni but she went to the USA because of her tennis. She won a few things.My experience of private education is that it is a million miles ahead of state school. But the biggest difference, is the attitude of the teachers. It's a different world.So much more supportive. So much more focussed.
Quote from: River Don on September 28, 2023, 10:32:25 pmAnecdotal evidence is useless.That said, I'll give you my anecdote. My sister won a scholarship to a fee paying school in Herts. She won a scholarship for tennis, still it cost my dad a pretty penny.I did better than her at uni but she went to the USA because of her tennis. She won a few things.My experience of private education is that it is a million miles ahead of state school. But the biggest difference, is the attitude of the teachers. It's a different world.So much more supportive. So much more focussed.RD, why do you think that is?Because it is very clear. For those teachers to achieve their pupils must achieve.In practice what it means is a much more equal relationship between tutor and pupil. And a combined effort
I notice the teachers in private schools are much more compassionate and supportive.In general it's a much nicer environment to learn in.
Quote from: River Don on September 28, 2023, 11:12:03 pmI notice the teachers in private schools are much more compassionate and supportive.In general it's a much nicer environment to learn in.This 'nicer environment' can you expand on this, RD?
Quote from: SydneyRover on September 28, 2023, 11:18:06 pmQuote from: River Don on September 28, 2023, 11:12:03 pmI notice the teachers in private schools are much more compassionate and supportive.In general it's a much nicer environment to learn in.This 'nicer environment' can you expand on this, RD?How can I expand on this? The teachers don't bully you. They don't write you off. They look to bring out the best in you.
Quote from: River Don on September 28, 2023, 11:22:15 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on September 28, 2023, 11:18:06 pmQuote from: River Don on September 28, 2023, 11:12:03 pmI notice the teachers in private schools are much more compassionate and supportive.In general it's a much nicer environment to learn in.This 'nicer environment' can you expand on this, RD?How can I expand on this? The teachers don't bully you. They don't write you off. They look to bring out the best in you.Better teachers lead to more respect from the kids, a more harmonious learning environment, better results, is that a fair comment?