Viking Supporters Co-operative
Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Tiddysdad on October 17, 2015, 08:11:58 pm
-
I can't see Harry here after Christmas if he doesn't get game time. Lets just hope a proper manager can see his value and put forward the future is DRFC not the grass is green else where.
-
I was amazed to see Middleton replace Copps when we had Harry & Cameron Stewart on the bench.
-
Me too, it should have been Harry F.
Maybe Jonesie didnt make it clear when he said "Harry, get stripped".
-
Stancliffe told forrester to get stripped and then Jones shouted Middleton back while forrester was getting stripped and put him on
-
Stancliffe told forrester to get stripped and then Jones shouted Middleton back while forrester was getting stripped and put him on
I cant believe a dinosaur like Stancliffe is allowed anywhere near the bench. That shows how much work DF has on his hands.
-
Stancliffe is with the academy with Wilson isn't he
-
I believe that Jones does not get on with forrester that is why he is not getting much game time it would explain a lot if true
-
I believe that Jones does not get on with forrester that is why he is not getting much game time it would explain a lot if true
I thought Jones was better than that tbh
-
Stancliffe is with the academy with Wilson isn't he
Yes he is, and has been for years. Old fashioned and arrogant. Hopefully DF will bring younger and more up to date backroom staff with him eventually.
-
With new players most likely to be brought in the first one to leave should be Forrester, not consistent enough and he tends to go missing. Also cancel the loans of Stewart and Gobern
-
Outside of the Premier league I think most wingers (which is usually where HF has been played) are tagged as inconsistent
-
I can't put my finger on what the issue is with Forrester. To me, we should be looking to build a team around talents like him and Williams.
If he were to leave us, I feel someone would be getting a tremendous talent.
Hopefully DF will nurture him and get the best from him.
-
Ditto to that.
-
I believe that Jones does not get on with forrester that is why he is not getting much game time it would explain a lot if true
I thought Jones was better than that tbh
I'm sure he is DtD but if there is acrimony between them and Jones feels he can't trust Forrester to give his best for him then it would be entirely reasonable of Jones not to play him.
I must admit, the last time Harry did get on the pitch as sub for ten minutes he didn't look the least bit bothered to me.
-
I can't put my finger on what the issue is with Forrester. To me, we should be looking to build a team around talents like him and Williams.
If he were to leave us, I feel someone would be getting a tremendous talent.
Hopefully DF will nurture him and get the best from him.
I would suspect it's more about Foresters attitude not his ability. When you are struggling attitude is everything, and jones wears his heart on his sleeve. Forester can go missing and strikes me as a bit arrogant.
-
Frankly I can't understand it..How Forrester can't get in bottom 2 league 1 side which can't create many chances..is simply beyond me
-
Never really rated Forrester. A fluke goal against Gillingham last year, the goal against Barnsley (I think it was Barnsley?) and a good performance against Coventry is about all that stands out while he's been here?
Sure he has something but I think we'd get better from Tyson, N'guessen and Stewart?
-
I'm willing to reserve judgement of Forrester's potential, he clearly has ability but as already said shows it all too rarely. However, how many attacking players have we seen at Rovers who we know are better than they have shown for us. I'd like to see what Ferguson can get from him, he could prove to be one of the best attacking midfielders in the division.
-
Forrester can have all the potential in the world but since signing for us he's hardly shown it even when he's had game time. If he had and was as good as some on here think he is, he would have gone in one of the Transfer Windows. His contract is up at the end of the season, he will be off then so if another club is prepared to take him in Jan let him go.
-
Frankly I can't understand it..How Forrester can't get in bottom 2 league 1 side which can't create many chances..is simply beyond me
How about the fact that when he's played, he hasn't created much?
-
Forrester is a quality player I don't think the managers he has played under here have helped, Dickov just about ruined any player with attacking qualities. Hopefully now DF is here and likes to play attacking football a player like Forrester will thrive.
-
before we all start knocking anyone and getting rid just see what DF can do with than then decide
-
He was the next best thing when he arrived here, so something has occurred in the middle between then and now. Its a two way process, the club helping develop the player and vice versa.
He's the sort of player, if I was DF, I'd be taking to one side and telling him he is the match winner he needs for the future.
-
before we all start knocking anyone and getting rid just see what DF can do with than then decide
Agreed. Forrester can potentially benefit greatly from the change of manager.
I got the impression with Jones that he's not a great believer in wingers or holding midfielders. I don't really see Forrester as a winger, but equally I don't think the diamond formation suits him.
-
Frankly I can't understand it..How Forrester can't get in bottom 2 league 1 side which can't create many chances..is simply beyond me
How about the fact that when he's played, he hasn't created much?
Whereas the current players are creating so much? Forrester is a match winner, invisible all game but pops up with a game changing moment. He needs to be playing.
-
Remind me. What was the last time he changed a game? For the better.
-
He's been operating under a manager who wasn't getting the best out of anyone for a long time BST.
-
Forrester operated under a manager who got us to the edge of the playoffs last season. And when things got tasty in the key matches in the run-in, he vanished.
-
You can tell Forrester's attitude stinks a mile off, unfortunately he's one of the only resalable assets we've got of any value. He needs to be playing regularly for the fact that we need to recoup some of what we've invested in him if nothing else.
-
You can tell Forrester's attitude stinks a mile off, unfortunately he's one of the only resalable assets we've got of any value. He needs to be playing regularly for the fact that we need to recoup some of what we've invested in him if nothing else.
He's out of contract at the end of the season isn't he, so can see him leaving on a free in the summer.
-
He has a chance now, this manager i don't see him sitting by and letting him waste his talent, if he doesn't put the work in he will be out.
He has to realise he has wasted a lot of his career while he has been with us, talent without a heart won't get him anywhere, he needs to show he has got the talent and won't be bullied out of games, it's upto him.
-
Have to agree with that Sammy. He now has a clean slate in what is expected to be an attacking minded team.
For what it's worth, we have the nucleus of a side that can challenge for promotion. 5 or 6 new faces needed to replace those who just can't do the job (either through lack of talent, wrong attitude or getting on in years). Williams has not suddenly become a bad player... He's not been used correctly. I'm looking forward to seeing how DF shapes the team. Top 6 is a massive effort and will be some going if we do it this season. But then football is a funny old game Saint.
-
Forrester not here, not sure it will be a great miss.
COYR
-
He's been out injured for a fair amount of his time with us. Some Rovers fans love a good plodder of a player. Someone with ability, pfft, forget it.
-
I like a player with ability, but he has to be consistent, he isn't. Added to the amount of time he has spent injured whilst at the Rovers is why I'm not sure he will be missed.
COYR
-
He's been out injured for a fair amount of his time with us. Some Rovers fans love a good plodder of a player. Someone with ability, pfft, forget it.
Behave he might have all the ability in the world but how often has he shown it? Never mind injuries and manager tactics he's had plenty of chances to shine but not taken it.
-
Strikes me that if Ferguson can get him to play to his potential we'll have a darned good player. If not, his departure at the end of the season won't be felt too keenly.
-
He's been out injured for a fair amount of his time with us. Some Rovers fans love a good plodder of a player. Someone with ability, pfft, forget it.
Behave he might have all the ability in the world but how often has he shown it? Never mind injuries and manager tactics he's had plenty of chances to shine but not taken it.
How do you explain his decline, Williams' decline also?.All down to the player is it? If he read some of the comments about him on here, he may as well pack his bags.
-
South
Equally, it's not NOTHING to do with the players. I don't doubt that Dickov has failed to get the best out of his players. But the players have to look inside themselves too.
Forrester went AWOL when we needed him most last season. And there are those two examples I've given of him playing Billy Big b*llocks and demanding to be the centre of attention when there were better qualified players to take particular set pieces[1].
Williams has to look at his own contribution. Wellens on Saturday was back to his imperious best, picking out eye-of-the-needle passes left right and centre. But never to Williams. Because Williams wasn't making the runs to be released.
I don't doubt that those two should be key players that you build a side around. But only if they up their own games.
[1] Mind, I also blame the lack ofsenior mesters on the pitch. The penalty against Sheff Utd last year and the free kick at Bramall Lane this year needed a senior pro to step in and tell Forrester that it was about what was good for the team, not his f**king ego.
-
Following up on BST's point I think the influence of Jones on the pitch and Chris Brown has been keenly missed. Coppinger and Wellens are senior players, but neither strike me as real leaders of men. That said, I thought as acting-captain, Wellens managed the fallout from the Tyson- Phil Parkinson incident pretty well.
I thought Butler might have the personality to be an on-field leader, but he doesn't seem to.
It will be interesting to see to whom Ferguson gives the armband. Maybe not straight away, but after he's had a few games to assess things.
-
The reason Williams is not scoring is because he's been pushed onto the wing, in order to get some ball time. He can't do everything!
The Harry Forrester issue is strange, he's clearly a player with ability, possibly the best we have, but we don't play him?
-
We don't play him ,because when he is picked he only plays well 1 in 6 , " Show Time "
-
With new players most likely to be brought in the first one to leave should be Forrester, not consistent enough and he tends to go missing. Also cancel the loans of Stewart and Gobern
Goes missing from the teamsheet that's about all. How much game time has he had exactly Draytonian to prove inconsistent ?
-
Over the last two and a bit years ,lots
-
He's been injured, then suspended and injured again, I bet he's not even played half a season in two years!
-
Hoola
Trust me mate. You didn't see him in the Bristol City and Bradford matches last year when the knee high tackles were flying in. He vanished. It was embarrassing to see. Reminiscent of Andy Watson.
Look, I would love the lad to live up to his potential. But those are the matches that tell you what is in a player's heart. There was the potential for us to rise to the occasion. The play-offs were in our grasp. The opponents were fighting like f**k. And that lad didn't meet the challenge.
It's a long, long way back from there.
-
2 of our 3 victories have come in the only 2 games williams hasn't played
-
The team should always come first, Williams has to earn his place in the team, the team won tonight not withstanding injuries the manager won't change too much from tonight i wouldn't think.
With Anderson and Tyson you get enthusiasm for playing, i'm not knocking Williams he is just frustrating me because i know he has the ability.
He needs to adapt to the team, as well as the team to him, it works both ways, he can't expect the same service he had at Swindon, the players are different.
''I don't want him to develop into one of our 'Graveyard striker' occupants, we are over loaded with them''!.
-
Hoola
Trust me mate. You didn't see him in the Bristol City and Bradford matches last year when the knee high tackles were flying in. He vanished. It was embarrassing to see. Reminiscent of Andy Watson.
Look, I would love the lad to live up to his potential. But those are the matches that tell you what is in a player's heart. There was the potential for us to rise to the occasion. The play-offs were in our grasp. The opponents were fighting like f***. And that lad didn't meet the challenge.
It's a long, long way back from there.
Fair enough by the sounds of it ; I had the better deal. Lol
We are all frustrated by players who have little appetite for a scrap. However taken to one side and managed properly we still have a good player here. Everyone recognises that once on the pitch he wants his ego massaging .
Now this is where DF (and the backroom staff ) have to get involved . However I agree that most of the work must be carried out by Forrester himself I.e. he needs to sit himself down and decide whether he really wants to play at the highest levels or become a journeyman. We simply cannot afford to invest the time heavily in just one player when there are so many problems still to fix. I think DF will be looking at and talking to players
Iike him as a priority.
I hope the player chooses to play football for us properly that means the mindset is more important than his talent.....he needs to see that quickly.
-
DF will only play players that want to play as part of the team and in on merit. I think DF will be like his father, expecting each player to give him a 100% on the pitch if he wants to keep his place in the team, and won't be scared to drop so called "stars" and "favourites", Williams is a case in point.
-
I dont think Williams was dropped for any other reason than that stated by DF in the interview on DROS...