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Wilts.Don't you find it odd that the woman who made that complaint against Starmer makes a point in her Twitter bio of calling herself a "Corbyn supporter"?https://mobile.twitter.com/jen4truroandfal
Mmmmm, so not everyone think the sun shines out of the backside of SKS.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on August 02, 2020, 09:03:29 pmWilts.Don't you find it odd that the woman who made that complaint against Starmer makes a point in her Twitter bio of calling herself a "Corbyn supporter"?https://mobile.twitter.com/jen4truroandfalBilly, I have never found it constructive or useful for a leader to win people over by ignoring them.
Quote from: drfchound on August 02, 2020, 09:03:46 pmMmmmm, so not everyone think the sun shines out of the backside of SKS.41% of the public according to the poll out today. Including some regular posters on here no doubt.So why you would think everyone did is beyond me? Weird.
Quote from: wilts rover on August 02, 2020, 10:06:18 pmQuote from: drfchound on August 02, 2020, 09:03:46 pmMmmmm, so not everyone think the sun shines out of the backside of SKS.41% of the public according to the poll out today. Including some regular posters on here no doubt.So why you would think everyone did is beyond me? Weird.I was pointing out to people who do (think that the sun shines out of his backside) that not everyone does.Not saying that I actually do think that everyone does.That is you putting spin on what I wrote.But according to the poll that you highlight, then perhaps the majority (59%) don’t think it does.
Billy...I'm in a pretty unique position to comment on this topic, working in the Unite Organising and Leverage department.Firstly, the biggest barrier to new members joining in my 7 years of working for Unite is, without a shadow of doubt, the donations Unite make to the Labour Party (even though members now have to opt in to the political levy), and its pretty high up the list of the reasons people leave. Clearly, this is a massive issue to members and prospective members. McCluskey is bound by the decisions taken democratically by the lay member Executive Council, and I have heard that there is widespread discontent from the recently elected members with the perceived value for our money we get for funding the Labour Party, concerns raised both after the leaked report in April (I have a copy and its beyond shocking) where there is damning evidence that Labour Party employees redirected funds to shore up safe seats and starved key marginals of funds in 2017, an election Labour were very close to winning with the biggest increase of vote share since 1945, and after paying out Panorama whistle blowers when legal advice suggested the claimants were on serious dodgy ground. I think there is nothing wrong with Len acting on the concerns of the EC, indeed, he'd tell you himself that he would be wrong not to make decisions based on their concerns. Secondly, having a pop about the fact he was elected by 5% of the membership is a low blow. Unisons last election had a turn out of 9.8% - Prentis got 49.4% of that vote, a share worse than McCluskey. The disgraced Tim Roache was elected on a turn out of 8.5%. Union GS election turnout is a problem across the movement, and to single out McCluskey without providing the full facts of the bigger picture discredits you. I wouldn't be that worried about the LP finances if Unite do pull back spending; Starmer will probably run to fill the coffers with big business money from the likes of Lord Sainsbury, just like Blair did.
Quote from: jonrover on August 03, 2020, 06:05:32 pmBilly...I'm in a pretty unique position to comment on this topic, working in the Unite Organising and Leverage department.Firstly, the biggest barrier to new members joining in my 7 years of working for Unite is, without a shadow of doubt, the donations Unite make to the Labour Party (even though members now have to opt in to the political levy), and its pretty high up the list of the reasons people leave. Clearly, this is a massive issue to members and prospective members. McCluskey is bound by the decisions taken democratically by the lay member Executive Council, and I have heard that there is widespread discontent from the recently elected members with the perceived value for our money we get for funding the Labour Party, concerns raised both after the leaked report in April (I have a copy and its beyond shocking) where there is damning evidence that Labour Party employees redirected funds to shore up safe seats and starved key marginals of funds in 2017, an election Labour were very close to winning with the biggest increase of vote share since 1945, and after paying out Panorama whistle blowers when legal advice suggested the claimants were on serious dodgy ground. I think there is nothing wrong with Len acting on the concerns of the EC, indeed, he'd tell you himself that he would be wrong not to make decisions based on their concerns. Secondly, having a pop about the fact he was elected by 5% of the membership is a low blow. Unisons last election had a turn out of 9.8% - Prentis got 49.4% of that vote, a share worse than McCluskey. The disgraced Tim Roache was elected on a turn out of 8.5%. Union GS election turnout is a problem across the movement, and to single out McCluskey without providing the full facts of the bigger picture discredits you. I wouldn't be that worried about the LP finances if Unite do pull back spending; Starmer will probably run to fill the coffers with big business money from the likes of Lord Sainsbury, just like Blair did. What do you make of McCluskey and his cronies antidemocratic antics that have been covered for several years in Private Eye?
I'm sure you haven't.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on August 03, 2020, 07:31:48 pmI'm sure you haven't.Since I don't read Private Eye, I really haven't! Post some links to the articles in question and I'll see if I can make comment.