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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: selby on January 08, 2018, 10:26:20 am
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Back to league 1 games now,with all the romance of any cup success extinguished, we are left with a game probably of more importance, against a team that last season were just as unattractive to watch, and were just as adept at the dark arts of the game as Rochdale were on Saturday. At least it does not look as if we will have the pleasure of McCormack (I think his name is) parading around his goalmouth this season, a tit of the highest order,off and on the field.
Expect his mates Bradley and Edwards to be the centre of defence, the former a distinct threat from set pieces, Fox,Lameiras, and Carey have been the main instigators of their improvement in form, although when playing away from home, they tend to sit deep and try and hit teams on the break, only the top three teams in the division letting in less than their 13 goals in away matches, a hard team to break down.
Would you make changes to our line up?
Will the missing supporters from Saturday return?
Can we keep our league form going ?
Are we likely to see any new faces in the playing staff?
Will teams see us as a team they can bully out of our stride?
Have your say
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will the missing supporters from Saturday return, probably only the season ticket holders who didn`t bother going Saturday.
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Maybe, the exit from the cup will deflect a bit of attention away from us.
With a glamour draw we could possibly have used this game as an incentive to get a ticket for the potential big game.
However, moving on, I said before the cup game that Rochdale would sit back and make themselves hard to beat and be very physical.
Ditto for this match but in my opinion, Plymouth are better than Rochdale so it could be even tougher and our scoring stats aren't very good are they.
Probably a 0-0 or 1-1 draw is on the cards.
With Shrewsbury and Scunny away additional onus is on us to get 4 points from this and the Bristol Rovers matches.
Februarys' fixtures look quite tough and we all know that we don't do particularly well in February in recent seasons.
DF's interview kind of indicates that he isn't over optimistic of incoming players but then again it could be a smokescreen.
I hope we can battle out a victory against Plymouth.
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One missing supporter from Saturday will be there. Me. I'm a STH who couldn't get excited enough to face a three hour round trip to watch us play Rochdale in the cup.
Changes? Yes, Garrett back in at left back. He's the only left back we've got and if he's not going to play there's no point in him being at the club.
I would also expect Copps to play if he's fit.
Personally, I would play Mandeville instead of May.
Have we got any other players to change it more than that??
A draw wouldn't be a disaster
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The thing that I cannot understand is the position of Ben Khemis at the club. He never plays or is brought on as a sub.
Admitted he was very poor in the first game at Rochdale,but in subsequent games with the development side, and in the Cheka Trade he has done O.K. to me,wel lnot that bad to be ignored altogether.
Perhaps a loan to a league 2 or National League team would do him good.
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The thing that I cannot understand is the position of Ben Khemis at the club. He never plays or is brought on as a sub.
Admitted he was very poor in the first game at Rochdale,but in subsequent games with the development side, and in the Cheka Trade he has done O.K. to me,wel lnot that bad to be ignored altogether.
Perhaps a loan to a league 2 or National League team would do him good.
Loan maybe ok but with only 18 players apart from younger, youngsters that’s why DF is keeping him.
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Play like we did on Saturday and they will hammer us not that we played to bad in the second half but we can't score for toffee with strikers ether to deep or out wide most of the time
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We scored (eventually) at peterborough, and 6 times in the previous 3 games..
Said it before and will say it again, it’s fine margins that make a difference either way..
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The thing that I cannot understand is the position of Ben Khemis at the club. He never plays or is brought on as a sub.
Admitted he was very poor in the first game at Rochdale,but in subsequent games with the development side, and in the Cheka Trade he has done O.K. to me,wel lnot that bad to be ignored altogether.
Perhaps a loan to a league 2 or National League team would do him good.
Id forgotten he is even at the club
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Play like we did on Saturday and they will hammer us not that we played to bad in the second half but we can't score for toffee with strikers ether to deep or out wide most of the time
For me we need someone to play up front with marquis. You can't fault mays workrate but I just don't think he's good enough for this level. I do hope he proves me wrong but I just don't think his finishing or general play is at league 1 level. Mandenville looks to have bags of talent but looks like he carnt be arsed most of the time. Williams is finished so that just leaves kiwoyma who might not play this season..... but if you believe what fergy says then there's no money to bring anyone in.
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The thing that I cannot understand is the position of Ben Khemis at the club. He never plays or is brought on as a sub.
Admitted he was very poor in the first game at Rochdale,but in subsequent games with the development side, and in the Cheka Trade he has done O.K. to me,wel lnot that bad to be ignored altogether.
Perhaps a loan to a league 2 or National League team would do him good.
We said the same on Saturday, I find it strange that he's never given a chance. Saturday was a perfect chance to give him the chance to come on and impress.
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The thing that I cannot understand is the position of Ben Khemis at the club. He never plays or is brought on as a sub.
Admitted he was very poor in the first game at Rochdale,but in subsequent games with the development side, and in the Cheka Trade he has done O.K. to me,wel lnot that bad to be ignored altogether.
Perhaps a loan to a league 2 or National League team would do him good.
We said the same on Saturday, I find it strange that he's never given a chance. Saturday was a perfect chance to give him the chance to come on and impress.
Sorry he’s not good enough watch him in development games. He was signed because he may have potential and if we are to believe there’s not much left in the budget, then he’ll been cheap.
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Anyone who has forgotten Khemis is still at the club hasn’t been taking much notice.
He has been on the bench in the last few games and clearly can be seen during the warm up and at half time.
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Hound he has been on the bench probably on all, or very near all the matches, he has travelled all over the country sight seeing, it would have cost a fortune with Sheerings.
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Anyone who has forgotten Khemis is still at the club hasn’t been taking much notice.
He has been on the bench in the last few games and clearly can be seen during the warm up and at half time.
From the bar on the concourse?? 😄😄
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Anyone who has forgotten Khemis is still at the club hasn’t been taking much notice.
He has been on the bench in the last few games and clearly can be seen during the warm up and at half time.
From the bar on the concourse?? 😄😄
Not being controversial here but surely you would know who is on our bench.
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The team on Saturday was good enough to win the game but didn't perform in the first half and then couldn't find the net in the second despite golden opportunities. One of those games we might say.
I definitely think we need to up the ante against an improving Plymouth team.
DF may reassess his decision to leave out Garratt in the hope he'll not need babysitting by his fellow defenders. He has shown improvement in recent games and was unlucky to be left out.
No doubt DF will be hoping for some help from the Blades and be able to call upon Whiteman once again.
The goal threat looked more serious when Rowe decided to start playing and Copps came on (although some of his crosses/corners were awful)
The Alfie's for me, are at risk of being dropped but I'm not sure whether I'd bring in Mandeville either.
Wouldn't like to call this one!
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The team on Saturday was good enough to win the game but didn't perform in the first half and then couldn't find the net in the second despite golden opportunities. One of those games we might say.
I definitely think we need to up the ante against an improving Plymouth team.
DF may reassess his decision to leave out Garratt in the hope he'll not need babysitting by his fellow defenders. He has shown improvement in recent games and was unlucky to be left out.
No doubt DF will be hoping for some help from the Blades and be able to call upon Whiteman once again.
The goal threat looked more serious when Rowe decided to start playing and Copps came on (although some of his crosses/corners were awful)
The Alfie's for me, are at risk of being dropped but I'm not sure whether I'd bring in Mandeville either.
Wouldn't like to call this one!
Garrett has shown signs of improvement Baz, I agree.
However if DF played Mason there to combat their winger (27?) then he should have made sure that Rowe backed him up as well.
He might have done of course but it didn’t look that way to me.
Kongolo and Blair played well as a pair on the right but Mason got very little support.
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The team on Saturday was good enough to win the game but didn't perform in the first half and then couldn't find the net in the second despite golden opportunities. One of those games we might say.
I definitely think we need to up the ante against an improving Plymouth team.
DF may reassess his decision to leave out Garratt in the hope he'll not need babysitting by his fellow defenders. He has shown improvement in recent games and was unlucky to be left out.
No doubt DF will be hoping for some help from the Blades and be able to call upon Whiteman once again.
The goal threat looked more serious when Rowe decided to start playing and Copps came on (although some of his crosses/corners were awful)
The Alfie's for me, are at risk of being dropped but I'm not sure whether I'd bring in Mandeville either.
Wouldn't like to call this one!
Garrett has shown signs of improvement Baz, I agree.
However if DF played Mason there to combat their winger (27?) then he should have made sure that Rowe backed him up as well.
He might have done of course but it didn’t look that way to me.
Kongolo and Blair played well as a pair on the right but Mason got very little support.
Funny you should say that. My mate said Rowe hung Mason out to dry and left him exposed, particularly in the first half. I tend to agree with him.
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Hound he has been on the bench probably on all, or very near all the matches, he has travelled all over the country sight seeing, it would have cost a fortune with Sheerings.
perhaps he does need a bit more coaching
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The team on Saturday was good enough to win the game but didn't perform in the first half and then couldn't find the net in the second despite golden opportunities. One of those games we might say.
I definitely think we need to up the ante against an improving Plymouth team.
DF may reassess his decision to leave out Garratt in the hope he'll not need babysitting by his fellow defenders. He has shown improvement in recent games and was unlucky to be left out.
No doubt DF will be hoping for some help from the Blades and be able to call upon Whiteman once again.
The goal threat looked more serious when Rowe decided to start playing and Copps came on (although some of his crosses/corners were awful)
The Alfie's for me, are at risk of being dropped but I'm not sure whether I'd bring in Mandeville either.
Wouldn't like to call this one!
Garrett has shown signs of improvement Baz, I agree.
However if DF played Mason there to combat their winger (27?) then he should have made sure that Rowe backed him up as well.
He might have done of course but it didn’t look that way to me.
Kongolo and Blair played well as a pair on the right but Mason got very little support.
Funny you should say that. My mate said Rowe hung Mason out to dry and left him exposed, particularly in the first half. I tend to agree with him.
Tommy doesn’t help defensively in most games especially when playing the diamond formation. That’s why we have needed another left sided midfield player, it will allow Tommy to play at the point of the diamond.
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Hound he has been on the bench probably on all, or very near all the matches, he has travelled all over the country sight seeing, it would have cost a fortune with Sheerings.
perhaps he does need a bit more coaching
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A good play on words B.B.
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.C.L.H. made me chuckle that, very good,it's the way you tell em.
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The team on Saturday was good enough to win the game but didn't perform in the first half and then couldn't find the net in the second despite golden opportunities. One of those games we might say.
I definitely think we need to up the ante against an improving Plymouth team.
DF may reassess his decision to leave out Garratt in the hope he'll not need babysitting by his fellow defenders. He has shown improvement in recent games and was unlucky to be left out.
No doubt DF will be hoping for some help from the Blades and be able to call upon Whiteman once again.
The goal threat looked more serious when Rowe decided to start playing and Copps came on (although some of his crosses/corners were awful)
The Alfie's for me, are at risk of being dropped but I'm not sure whether I'd bring in Mandeville either.
Wouldn't like to call this one!
Garrett has shown signs of improvement Baz, I agree.
However if DF played Mason there to combat their winger (27?) then he should have made sure that Rowe backed him up as well.
He might have done of course but it didn’t look that way to me.
Kongolo and Blair played well as a pair on the right but Mason got very little support.
Funny you should say that. My mate said Rowe hung Mason out to dry and left him exposed, particularly in the first half. I tend to agree with him.
Tommy doesn’t help defensively in most games especially when playing the diamond formation. That’s why we have needed another left sided midfield player, it will allow Tommy to play at the point of the diamond.
I agree Steve, he doesn’t, but he should do when he is the left sided midfielder.
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Rowe's biggest weakness is his inability to track back, it's why he's better suited to playing #10 than left midfield.
As for MFD saying there's no point Garratt being at the club if he isn't going to play...he's a teenager! He's still developing, there's plenty of reason to keep him here even when he isn't playing. As it is, until we sign a more senior left back he should probably be in the team considering Mason's performance on Saturday, although he apparently did well there at Peterborough and has been very consistent the last few months.
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Rowe's biggest weakness is his inability to track back, it's why he's better suited to playing #10 than left midfield.
As for MFD saying there's no point Garratt being at the club if he isn't going to play...he's a teenager! He's still developing, there's plenty of reason to keep him here even when he isn't playing. As it is, until we sign a more senior left back he should probably be in the team considering Mason's performance on Saturday, although he apparently did well there at Peterborough and has been very consistent the last few months.
Well I'm glad it's not just me who notices that Rowe doesn't always do the job he's supposed to. So why does he never get subbed or dropped??
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Agreed Rowe can certainly help the fullback out more but that been said playing as the wide midfielders in a diamond must be frustrating, it really doesn't help in defending with such a narrow starting position.
Can say the same for attacking Marquis might be more of a threat with better width putting crosses in
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Rowe's biggest weakness is his inability to track back, it's why he's better suited to playing #10 than left midfield.
As for MFD saying there's no point Garratt being at the club if he isn't going to play...he's a teenager! He's still developing, there's plenty of reason to keep him here even when he isn't playing. As it is, until we sign a more senior left back he should probably be in the team considering Mason's performance on Saturday, although he apparently did well there at Peterborough and has been very consistent the last few months.
My point is, he's the only left back we've got and as such he should be playing, and if he's not good enough we need to bring someone else in and let Garrett go out on loan.
Personally, after a shaky start, I think he's done ok and he would definitely be playing on Saturday for me. I don't see the point in leaving a left back on the bench and playing a right back at left back
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Well it was done because Mason is more experienced and it was thought could nullify a specific player on our opponent's side. It allegedly worked with Maddison at Peterborough but didn't at all with Cannon against Rochdale. I agree that we should give Garratt the spot back for the next game unless he signs someone before then. For me a left back would be top priority now in the transfer window.
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Play like we did on Saturday and they will hammer us not that we played to bad in the second half but we can't score for toffee with strikers ether to deep or out wide most of the time
We did play well 2nd half, look at all those chances we created and penalty shouts we had. 2 of which were blatant imo.
On another day Vicar we would have scored at 2,3 or even 4 goals. It just wasn’t to be and let’s face it the ref was playing for Rochdale.
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One missing supporter from Saturday will be there. Me. I'm a STH who couldn't get excited enough to face a three hour round trip to watch us play Rochdale in the cup.
Changes? Yes, Garrett back in at left back. He's the only left back we've got and if he's not going to play there's no point in him being at the club.
I would also expect Copps to play if he's fit.
Personally, I would play Mandeville instead of May.
Have we got any other players to change it more than that??
A draw wouldn't be a disaster
Agree with you on all three changes. Garrett, Copps and Mandy in for either Blair/kongola, Beestin & May.
Put Mason back to RB which is his position. Either Blair or Kongola on the right of the diamond, Copps in the hole and Mandy op front.
Very difficult to leave Kongola out after Saturday as he was excellent.
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Reading the Plymouth forum, it is reported on there that along with Wigan and Bolton, we are interested in their tall centre half Sonny Bradley.
Unlikely I think, but what do I know.
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Sounds like his agents doing that one!
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Reading the Plymouth forum, it is reported on there that along with Wigan and Bolton, we are interested in their tall centre half Sonny Bradley.
Unlikely I think, but what do I know.
That would put Wright further back in the queue.
Can’t see him wanting to stay in it happened.
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Reading the Plymouth forum, it is reported on there that along with Wigan and Bolton, we are interested in their tall centre half Sonny Bradley.
Unlikely I think, but what do I know.
That would put Wright further back in the queue.
Can’t see him wanting to stay in it happened.
Wright is our best centre half.
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Reading the Plymouth forum, it is reported on there that along with Wigan and Bolton, we are interested in their tall centre half Sonny Bradley.
Unlikely I think, but what do I know.
That would put Wright further back in the queue.
Can’t see him wanting to stay in it happened.
Wright is our best centre half.
He can’t get in the team though so maybe our manager has a different view of that.
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I think he and Baudry have been rotated a bit with the number of games but say this was the playoff final i'd hope Wright would be starting!
Butler is undroppable at the moment and highly so he's been the best defender/leader this season
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I think it is just that DF prefers Butler and Baudry to Butler and Wright when he plays as a flat back four.
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Will Whiteman be a new signing in time for this game.
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Will Whiteman be a new signing in time for this game.
How long before a game does the team sheet has to be handed to the referee?
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The team sheet is I think 1hr, but I think a player has to be registered at least 24hrs prior to a game, but I would not put money on it.
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I thought it was up to noon for a 3pm game - am sure we have signed loanees straight into the team on the same day before.
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I remember we did that with JET, was an exciting day!
I am unsure on the rules but a few days ago Sam Allardyce was discussing whether or not he'd get Cenk Tosun cleared in time to play at Anfield on Friday night. I believe he did say they had until noon on the day to complete it, but it may have been noon the day before. That was a night game also.
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Did we not sign Emile Sinclair on the day of the game and barely anybody knew about it?
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Play like we did on Saturday and we will get a good hammering, play like we can and we can win it but they are on fire at min, 8 since a defeat
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Did we not sign Emile Sinclair on the day of the game and barely anybody knew about it?
That's the one I remember but forgot his name..
Was a forgettable performance too, wasn't it?
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We also signed Jason Shackell on loan on the morning of a game
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Play like we did on Saturday and we will get a good hammering, play like we can and we can win it but they are on fire at min, 8 since a defeat
Vicar we did play well ( imo )
Against a packed Rochdale defence and the ref playing for them 2nd half 4 clear cut chances missed and 4 penalty shouts.
We hammered them 2nd half. Rowe was on fire they couldn’t handle him.
If we had scored 2 goals you would not have made that comment. If we had scored 3 or more goals you would have said brilliant performance. Goals Goals Goals make all the difference.
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Well,I thought Kongolo and Blair worked well on the right so I wouldn't disrupt that.
If we bring Garrett in on the left, as he finished the game then there's no place for Mason.
I would hope Copps is fit enough to start leaving a decision to be made between May, Beestin or Mandeville. Given Mandy's goals in the development game, he might get the nod.
Then of course there's the unknown with Whiteman. If he signs would you play him?
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Well he has signed now. So yes you have to play him as he has goals in him. That is what we need.
Tough decisions, but against Plymouth I would have Baudry, Blair and Kongolo on the bench and play Mason at right back and Garrett at Left back. With Wright partnering Butler at centre back and Copps in the hole with Mandeville up front with Marquis.
We will need Wright’s height against Plymouth.
Although I am not a fan of the system i would also not be completely against a back 3 and 2 wing backs as it might suit against Plymouth’s direct approach.
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I can see your thinking.
Sod it, play Whiteman up front with Marquis
Lawlor
Butler
Baudry
Blair
Garrett
Houghton
Kongolo
Rowe
Copps
Whiteman
Marquis
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Did we not sign Emile Sinclair on the day of the game and barely anybody knew about it?
That's the one I remember but forgot his name..
Was a forgettable performance too, wasn't it?
I'd disagree. Completely unforgettable. Unforgettably shite, though.
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Fergie on Whiteman and the Plymouth game
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05tjzr5
COYR
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I think if our erstwhile "friend" is not in goal we may be less distracted - no matter who they have there
They have been doing well but we should have some kind of "bounce" after the weeks news and despite the result last week
The Ref however does not score well on previous visits and last time scored only 0.7 from a lot of votes but and its a big but that is 10 times HIGHER than the Ref last week got - so we need to take him out of the equaition and not end up thinking he has cost us any Points
COYR
:that: :scarf:
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Hound he has been on the bench probably on all, or very near all the matches, he has travelled all over the country sight seeing, it would have cost a fortune with Sheerings.
.... AND he would have had to make his own way to Woodall Services to catch the Coach !
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Andy Haines ref today.
If my memory serves me correctly he is dreadful. :headbang:
As I said Woolmer was a good ref before the game last week, let’s hope this has the reverse effect today and he is brilliant.
Sends 2 Plymouth players off and we get given at least 2 penalties.
4-0 to Rovers. :woohoo:
Well we can all dream can’t we.
I think it will be very a very tight match & will be over the moon with 1-0, 2-1, 3-2 etc.
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He wasn’t to bad last time we had him at bury
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It says on their forum that they have lost their previous ten matches when Haines has been in charge.
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It says on their forum that they have lost their previous ten matches when Haines has been in charge.
That’s not good. Law of averages and all that!
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He wasn’t to bad last time we had him at bury
Do you remember this one ?
http://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=260789.msg675284#msg675284
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Well, another fixture when the main talking point is the officials, and another two points lost,or is it one gained?
The old chestnut of a game of two halves, one we dominate, the second, one where we very nearly mess up completely.
The refused penalty first, if you go through all the posts on this board, you will be hard pushed to find anyone saying it was not a certain penalty, except the man that mattered the referee. It just shows how Wolfie is so brilliant at pointing out that certain referees should never have taken the job up,before a ball was kicked.
Was Fergie as culpable changing the team,and with who? I think he was. he has a habit of of bringing players on,as well as changing the positions of players on the field, very rarely does up to 4 changes work, not only have you got two "cold" players trying to find their feet, but 2 trying to get into the game in different positions. Unless you go down a goal in the last few minutes I would stagger substitutions by four or five minutes, just my preference,as over the years I have not seen multiple subs work very often.
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Agree with pretty much all of that Selby. I believe it is a decent point and it was my predicted score before the game, but the circumstances of their goal and our not-given penalty leave a sour taste.
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A draw was a fair result, despite the foul on Andy before the goal and the flooring of Copps. We were good value in the first half, but I thought they bossed most of the second. Fergie was spot on with his post-match analysis regarding officials, Alfie May and JM. And I’m not going to blame him for shooting from the hip. Sometimes passion gets the best of you, and I’m sure he was talking metaphorically rather than loading a 12 bore. I’m sick of all this tippy toes pc world. No harm meant. Lots of truth spoken.