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Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on July 27, 2021, 09:28:58 amAgain you swing it back to the government. The guidelines were clear not to mix patients but for whatever reason hospitals didn't follow them. Matt Hancock couldn't go to dri and forceably do it could he?Wow just Wow... It was the hospitals fault. Utterly Staggering.... Indoctrinated much BFYP?
Again you swing it back to the government. The guidelines were clear not to mix patients but for whatever reason hospitals didn't follow them. Matt Hancock couldn't go to dri and forceably do it could he?
Quote from: KeithMyath on July 27, 2021, 11:34:51 amQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on July 27, 2021, 09:28:58 amAgain you swing it back to the government. The guidelines were clear not to mix patients but for whatever reason hospitals didn't follow them. Matt Hancock couldn't go to dri and forceably do it could he?Wow just Wow... It was the hospitals fault. Utterly Staggering.... Indoctrinated much BFYP?Which hospital mixed them up? Was it so hard to keep covid and non covid patients on separate wards?
''David Oliver: Lack of PPE betrays NHS clinical staff''from that well known lefty communist magazine the British Medical Journal''The failure to provide adequate personal protective equipment (PPE) to health and social care workers during the pandemic has highlighted the disintegration of any culture of integrity, transparency, honesty, and support for healthcare staff from the government and NHS employers.I have reported in The BMJ this week on NHS trusts’ behaviour around supply of PPE to their clinical staff and the trusts’ responses when staff complained.1 Of 66 NHS trusts (of 130 approached) that replied to my freedom of information request, only two confirmed that they had explicitly restricted PPE use, warned staff about its overuse, or warned them over complaining about shortages. Only one NHS trust admitted being subject to investigation from the Health and Safety Executive for covid related deaths among staff, even though the HSE confirmed a number of investigations''https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n438
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on July 27, 2021, 11:49:26 amQuote from: KeithMyath on July 27, 2021, 11:34:51 amQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on July 27, 2021, 09:28:58 amAgain you swing it back to the government. The guidelines were clear not to mix patients but for whatever reason hospitals didn't follow them. Matt Hancock couldn't go to dri and forceably do it could he?Wow just Wow... It was the hospitals fault. Utterly Staggering.... Indoctrinated much BFYP?Which hospital mixed them up? Was it so hard to keep covid and non covid patients on separate wards?There was separate wards, I’m not sure what you are implying. Is there some evidential facts that patients were being moved around between wards knowing they had Coronavirus? It wasn’t even government policy to test everyone coming in to hospital to see if they had coronavirus.
Quote from: KeithMyath on July 27, 2021, 12:09:04 pmQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on July 27, 2021, 11:49:26 amQuote from: KeithMyath on July 27, 2021, 11:34:51 amQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on July 27, 2021, 09:28:58 amAgain you swing it back to the government. The guidelines were clear not to mix patients but for whatever reason hospitals didn't follow them. Matt Hancock couldn't go to dri and forceably do it could he?Wow just Wow... It was the hospitals fault. Utterly Staggering.... Indoctrinated much BFYP?Which hospital mixed them up? Was it so hard to keep covid and non covid patients on separate wards?There was separate wards, I’m not sure what you are implying. Is there some evidential facts that patients were being moved around between wards knowing they had Coronavirus? It wasn’t even government policy to test everyone coming in to hospital to see if they had coronavirus.Yes as I mentioned a relative of mine went in to hospital without covid and was placed on a ward of 4 with 3 who did have covid. She tested negative when she went in as she was tested on arrival but positive whilst in there later on.
If you don't add the detail dickos your answers don't make much sense, surely you must be refreshed if you slept through last years ppe shortage and how the tories lined the pockets of their 'sponsors' with luverly contracts.I don't have a problem with them handing out contracts to the chumocracy provided everyone has the same opportunities, same for jobs in the civil service and all the other jobs handed out to cronies.''Britain’s civil service remains upper-middle classNot so much has changed since the 1960s, a new report says''https://www.economist.com/britain/2021/05/20/britains-civil-service-remains-upper-middle-class
There was a massive shortage bp, well documented
Your comment 89 is contradicted by 90, even so, do you have a comment on Davis Oliver's piece from the bmj, is he wrong?
Quote from: SydneyRover on July 27, 2021, 07:49:18 amQuote from: dickos1 on July 27, 2021, 07:06:55 amQuote from: SydneyRover on July 26, 2021, 11:12:08 pmbp, If they had locked down a lot earlier there would have been tens of thousands more alive. Going back to the start of this nightmare the only weapon governments had while a vaccination was developed was lockdown and isolation. The vaccination became available which the government rolled out at great speed, but having unvaccinated kids at school appears to be a great vector for spreading the disease (variant) Not sure about you but in normal times when the grand kids are at kindy, day school or whatever every household was full of colds and flu.Lockdown has been criticised by many people (who and when) for being too long and crippling the economy. Lives have been lost because of the lockdown(who, how many and when) lives ruined, businesses destroyed. There’s no right or wrong answer, if the lockdown has been for 3 months longer as you suggest then their would’ve been lots of ramifications from that. And you’d be on here criticising the government for crippling the economyWhen you bring back some evidence (f a c t s) to support your theory on lockdowns and who is it that doesn't support them I/we may get somewhere. A few dates may be helpful also so there is an understanding of when and what you are referring to. Also if you could point out where I mentioned 3 months that may jog my memory.You also need to separate the 'lives ruined' bit from the 'businesses ruined' bit so I/we know exactly what you are referring to.While you are at it you could also explain what should have been done to curb the spread of the virus between the bit where it started and the vaccines became available. That should keep you busy for a while although you could just ignore it if you don't have any answers. If any of your answer start with 'a mate down the pub' or fb maybe save your breath and time.I know you’re the other side of the planet but I do wonder if you’re even on this planet. Because if you haven’t seen anyone criticising lockdowns then frankly you can’t be. I don’t need to change any words, lives have been ruined that’s a fact, people losing their homes, their livelihoods, family members taking their own lives. You’re in cuckoo land if you can’t accept lives have been ruined. I’m not arguing against lockdowns but it’s nonsense to suggest there hasn’t been criticism of them nor that they haven’t caused lives to be ruined. A lot of your posts have zero relevance to facts yet you keep asking others to provide them. Regarding PPE, there was plenty of PPE available to the NHS, we supplied it and were in contact with them daily asking if they wanted more but they said it was all in hand, so much of the issue with supplies was down to the procurement team within the NHS, I know for a fact we weren’t the only people offering them PPE
Quote from: dickos1 on July 27, 2021, 07:06:55 amQuote from: SydneyRover on July 26, 2021, 11:12:08 pmbp, If they had locked down a lot earlier there would have been tens of thousands more alive. Going back to the start of this nightmare the only weapon governments had while a vaccination was developed was lockdown and isolation. The vaccination became available which the government rolled out at great speed, but having unvaccinated kids at school appears to be a great vector for spreading the disease (variant) Not sure about you but in normal times when the grand kids are at kindy, day school or whatever every household was full of colds and flu.Lockdown has been criticised by many people (who and when) for being too long and crippling the economy. Lives have been lost because of the lockdown(who, how many and when) lives ruined, businesses destroyed. There’s no right or wrong answer, if the lockdown has been for 3 months longer as you suggest then their would’ve been lots of ramifications from that. And you’d be on here criticising the government for crippling the economyWhen you bring back some evidence (f a c t s) to support your theory on lockdowns and who is it that doesn't support them I/we may get somewhere. A few dates may be helpful also so there is an understanding of when and what you are referring to. Also if you could point out where I mentioned 3 months that may jog my memory.You also need to separate the 'lives ruined' bit from the 'businesses ruined' bit so I/we know exactly what you are referring to.While you are at it you could also explain what should have been done to curb the spread of the virus between the bit where it started and the vaccines became available. That should keep you busy for a while although you could just ignore it if you don't have any answers. If any of your answer start with 'a mate down the pub' or fb maybe save your breath and time.
Quote from: SydneyRover on July 26, 2021, 11:12:08 pmbp, If they had locked down a lot earlier there would have been tens of thousands more alive. Going back to the start of this nightmare the only weapon governments had while a vaccination was developed was lockdown and isolation. The vaccination became available which the government rolled out at great speed, but having unvaccinated kids at school appears to be a great vector for spreading the disease (variant) Not sure about you but in normal times when the grand kids are at kindy, day school or whatever every household was full of colds and flu.Lockdown has been criticised by many people (who and when) for being too long and crippling the economy. Lives have been lost because of the lockdown(who, how many and when) lives ruined, businesses destroyed. There’s no right or wrong answer, if the lockdown has been for 3 months longer as you suggest then their would’ve been lots of ramifications from that. And you’d be on here criticising the government for crippling the economy
bp, If they had locked down a lot earlier there would have been tens of thousands more alive. Going back to the start of this nightmare the only weapon governments had while a vaccination was developed was lockdown and isolation. The vaccination became available which the government rolled out at great speed, but having unvaccinated kids at school appears to be a great vector for spreading the disease (variant) Not sure about you but in normal times when the grand kids are at kindy, day school or whatever every household was full of colds and flu.
So we are in furiously agreement there was a shortage of ppe in health care facilities exacerbated by the fact that the emergency stockpiles there for just such an occasion were out of date.
Ferguson is crackers,The other weeks he suggested the peak woukd be 200,000 cases a day. Now he’s looking for reasons why he was so woefully incorrect
As far as the numbers of positive tests are concerned a doctor broadcasting today was sceptical saying he has seen this effect before on the numbers and intimated that parents and youngsters can manipulate the numbers with the tests. He intimated that during term time people were more than willing to cheat the test system for time off work and school term time, but during the holiday period did not want to be found positive in the tests. If this is true a lot of what is wrote on here, and is put forward by so called experts is a nonsense.
Quote from: SydneyRover on July 27, 2021, 12:57:28 pmSo we are in furiously agreement there was a shortage of ppe in health care facilities exacerbated by the fact that the emergency stockpiles there for just such an occasion were out of date.I think we’re in furious agreement that the shortage of PPE was caused by a number of factors. But you seem predictably to only be concentrating all your efforts on one of these