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They did NOT refuse to wear masks. They said:" We expect and recommend that members of the public continue to wear face coverings in crowded and enclosed spaces where you come into contact with people you don’t normally meet. For example, on public transport."https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own#when-you-should-wear-a-face-covering
BST, stick to the point! They did NOT send a clear message that masks were no longer needed.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on October 20, 2021, 11:37:17 amBST, stick to the point! They did NOT send a clear message that masks were no longer needed. Be a grown up for once.What DO you think the message was when 370 Tory MPs cram cheek by jowl on Parliamentary benches with NOT A SINGLE ONE wearing a mask?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 20, 2021, 12:02:57 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on October 20, 2021, 11:37:17 amBST, stick to the point! They did NOT send a clear message that masks were no longer needed. Be a grown up for once.What DO you think the message was when 370 Tory MPs cram cheek by jowl on Parliamentary benches with NOT A SINGLE ONE wearing a mask?Where is there evidence of not a single one of them wearing a mask?
Once again, your figures are wrong even after correcting yourself! Now all that remains is you correct yourself on your claim the government did not send a clear message that masks were no longer needed.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on October 20, 2021, 12:33:21 pmOnce again, your figures are wrong even after correcting yourself! Now all that remains is you correct yourself on your claim the government did not send a clear message that masks were no longer needed. Let's say every single Govt minister then. Also in photos of the Cabinet.https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/ad8b9d151379719718e3bec0011d9eb6a624e9a3/189_0_3707_2224/master/3707.jpg
It appears that it HAS made a difference in Scotland. Their infection rates are way below England's. According to the ZOE app, the infection rates per 100,000 are about 700-1000 in Scotland and typically around 1300-1600 in England. They WERE higher in August, primarily because kids went back to school several weeks earlier in Scotland than in England.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 20, 2021, 01:21:10 pmIt appears that it HAS made a difference in Scotland. Their infection rates are way below England's. According to the ZOE app, the infection rates per 100,000 are about 700-1000 in Scotland and typically around 1300-1600 in England. They WERE higher in August, primarily because kids went back to school several weeks earlier in Scotland than in England.Concurrently they've also had their half term earlier than England, the natural break. They also have vaccinated more teenagers which seems to be important.Lots of other datasets in the link I posted that don't paint the doomsday scenario again being muttered. We still don't know what the acceptable balance is for controlling the virus.
So are you saying the government are hypocrites because in 'sending a clear message' they asked the general public to wear a mask but dodn't do so themselves BB? Very brave of you.But it does fit the pattern of - one rule for one and one for another - they appear to follow.
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on October 20, 2021, 01:30:43 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 20, 2021, 01:21:10 pmIt appears that it HAS made a difference in Scotland. Their infection rates are way below England's. According to the ZOE app, the infection rates per 100,000 are about 700-1000 in Scotland and typically around 1300-1600 in England. They WERE higher in August, primarily because kids went back to school several weeks earlier in Scotland than in England.Concurrently they've also had their half term earlier than England, the natural break. They also have vaccinated more teenagers which seems to be important.Lots of other datasets in the link I posted that don't paint the doomsday scenario again being muttered. We still don't know what the acceptable balance is for controlling the virus.Scottish case numbers peaked on September 10th. They'd been coming down rapidly for weeks before half term. Cases in scotland have halved since early Sept. In England they are up 50%.It doesn't help painting reasonable, evidenced concerns as "doomsday scenarios". But I really don't get what you mean about "acceptable balance". Other Western European countries have retained mitigating measures without economic disaster. That says that it absolutely IS possible to have far more control over the virus without severe costs. The real question should be, what is the basis for us once again taking a very different approach?By the way, my bet is that we are going to have to bring back sterner measures next month. NHS bosses have been calling publicly for that today. If deaths and hospitalisations keep on increasing at current rates, we will have no option in 2-3 weeks. If that happens, we will have had many more deaths than other Western European countries over the past 6 months, and not have gained any benefit.