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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Dare to dream! on August 11, 2019, 12:58:09 pm
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/doncaster-rovers-darren-moore-has-his-sights-set-on-one-striker-489510
Going off DM comments in that article I would suggest it is Leon Clarke.
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/doncaster-rovers-darren-moore-has-his-sights-set-on-one-striker-489510 (https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/doncaster-rovers-darren-moore-has-his-sights-set-on-one-striker-489510)
Loanee from a Premier League club. They mention the club being being reluctant due to backup for injuries which means it won't be Clarke as he wasn't in their 25 man squad, probably would be be an U21.
Slightly disappointed with this short termism were showing recently.
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So we've gone from potentially two permanent forwards to one loanee?
Forgive me for being slightly disappointed and concerned about our transfer policy.
What happened to using the Marquis money? We need to be building a squad with potential for the future, not one full of stop-gaps that will need replacing again in less than a year's time.
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What’s happened to the marquis money. We should be using it to buy our own striker who we can develop and build the side around, not another young lad who potentially will only be here for 4/5 months.
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What’s happened to the marquis money. We should be using it to buy our own striker who we can develop and build the side around, not another young lad who potentially will only be here for 4/5 months.
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Unless Moore is displaying more reticence in what he tells the press (highly likely to be fair), we've gone from signing two strikers for fees to one striker on loan. It isn't acceptable to replace Marquis with a loanee, we got over a million pounds for him. You're not telling me there isn't anybody out there we can tempt to come to Donny.
As I say, hopefully he's just being coy with the media again.
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Mods please delete.........already posted in another thread
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/doncaster-rovers-darren-moore-has-his-sights-set-on-one-striker-489510
Going off DM comments in that article I would suggest it is Leon Clarke.
Clarke isn't available as backup for them though, so doesn't fit in there.
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Mods please delete.........already posted in another thread
Or merge as I've given a reason why it probably won't be Clarke unlike the other one? Only way it's Clarke if they want him backup for cup games.
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Threads have been merged now.
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I read that article..
NOWHERE does it say that this potential loanee from the premier league would be the ONLY signing.
Yes it implies this is an immediate priority over the next few days, but not that this is the absolute last signing.
Now I have no idea how many others he may or may not be looking at, and to buy using the Marquis money, but the article doesn’t mean he’s not doing that either..
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Not just the marquis money though, we had money available before we sold marquis
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Not just the marquis money though, we had money available before we sold marquis
So we keep being told yet non our previous or current manager seem to want to use it
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Not just the marquis money though, we had money available before we sold marquis
So we keep being told yet non our previous or current manager seem to want to use it
Didn't SM say we used up all the budget last season?
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It’s all very confusing. How can we sell our top scorer and then embark on a season where we don’t have a single striker on the books of the club? It’s terrible forward planning. Selling Marquis was supposed to help us strengthen and develop the team. All we seem to be doing is plugging gaps with short term fixes.
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We are a loss making business and cutting our cloth accordingly.
I’m personally comfortable with the money in the bank and a loan striker to cover Sailder and Ennis.
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Maybe the manager hasn’t found the ideal player to purchase yet, or negotiations are on going..
Why do fans think it is easy to find and sign players.?
And I say again, that article does not say this would be the end of the signings..
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Maybe the manager hasn’t found the ideal player to purchase yet, or negotiations are on going..
Why do fans think it is easy to find and sign players.?
And I say again, that article does not say this would be the end of the signings..
Other clubs don’t leave them selfs without a striker to start a season though
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Can we buy anyone? I thought the transfer window had passed
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Maybe the manager hasn’t found the ideal player to purchase yet, or negotiations are on going..
Why do fans think it is easy to find and sign players.?
And I say again, that article does not say this would be the end of the signings..
Other clubs don’t leave them selfs without a striker to start a season though
It’s pretty much unavoidable when your striker leaves a week before the season starts AND your former Manager nips in to sign the replacements before our new manager is in place!!
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Maybe the manager hasn’t found the ideal player to purchase yet, or negotiations are on going..
Why do fans think it is easy to find and sign players.?
And I say again, that article does not say this would be the end of the signings..
Other clubs don’t leave them selfs without a striker to start a season though
Who says we weren’t trying.? Should we et someone to make up the numbers, or take a bit more time to get the right ones.?
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Can we buy anyone? I thought the transfer window had passed
Early September for league 1 and 2..
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IF we got a loanee striker of the Herbie quality I’d be thrilled to bits
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Maybe the manager hasn’t found the ideal player to purchase yet, or negotiations are on going..
Why do fans think it is easy to find and sign players.?
And I say again, that article does not say this would be the end of the signings..
Other clubs don’t leave them selfs without a striker to start a season though
Who says we weren’t trying.? Should we et someone to make up the numbers, or take a bit more time to get the right ones.?
Everyone knew marquis would leave this summer. We have had more than enough time to draw up a list of targets. Now 2 weeks into the season we are now going to rely on a loan player to replace him. I could understand if we had no money to spend but we have and a sizeable amount too.
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Can Herbie play as a striker.
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Maybe the manager hasn’t found the ideal player to purchase yet, or negotiations are on going..
Why do fans think it is easy to find and sign players.?
And I say again, that article does not say this would be the end of the signings..
Other clubs don’t leave them selfs without a striker to start a season though
Who says we weren’t trying.? Should we et someone to make up the numbers, or take a bit more time to get the right ones.?
Everyone knew marquis would leave this summer. We have had more than enough time to draw up a list of targets. Now 2 weeks into the season we are now going to rely on a loan player to replace him. I could understand if we had no money to spend but we have and a sizeable amount too.
We DID have a list of targets!!! However this list became redundant as soon as GM left!!
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Maybe hes just not wanting to give too much away to the press, he kept the Taylor signing very low key so hopefully that's just how he likes to do his business.
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Maybe the manager hasn’t found the ideal player to purchase yet, or negotiations are on going..
Why do fans think it is easy to find and sign players.?
And I say again, that article does not say this would be the end of the signings..
Other clubs don’t leave them selfs without a striker to start a season though
Who says we weren’t trying.? Should we et someone to make up the numbers, or take a bit more time to get the right ones.?
Everyone knew marquis would leave this summer. We have had more than enough time to draw up a list of targets. Now 2 weeks into the season we are now going to rely on a loan player to replace him. I could understand if we had no money to spend but we have and a sizeable amount too.
We DID have a list of targets!!! However this list became redundant as soon as GM left!!
Almost as if different managers want to sign different sets of players, isn't it...
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Maybe the manager hasn’t found the ideal player to purchase yet, or negotiations are on going..
Why do fans think it is easy to find and sign players.?
And I say again, that article does not say this would be the end of the signings..
IDM an you remember the club saying DM has a black book full of players and contacts and loads of friends in the game that will help him, so is it a fib or is it true cos there is nothing coming from it at all
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Maybe the manager hasn’t found the ideal player to purchase yet, or negotiations are on going..
Why do fans think it is easy to find and sign players.?
And I say again, that article does not say this would be the end of the signings..
Nobody said it was easy, but I'm struggling to think of many other clubs that find it THIS difficult. Especially when we're being told all summer long that the money is there, the Marquis money is to be re-invested, the signings are lined up and ready to go etc.
I'm not one for disbelieving the positive noises coming out of the club, but now I'm really beginning to wonder. Something is not adding up and we seem to be very much lacking in direction.
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We are a loss making business and cutting our cloth accordingly.
I’m personally comfortable with the money in the bank and a loan striker to cover Sailder and Ennis.
46 points it is then
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Maybe hes just not wanting to give too much away to the press, he kept the Taylor signing very low key so hopefully that's just how he likes to do his business.
Precisely..
It was the same with Dieng too..
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Its hard to make out what is going on at the rovers.
We started with an almost bouncing Gavin Baldwin saying Moore has got a little black book, and we're making the funds available to sign A, B and C.
Marquis leaves.
We're told 100% of that money will be reinvested in the squad.
We put bids in for two players - that has now obviously now fallen through. We're on at least plan B, maybe even plan C (fine this happens in football)
Sign Taylor - not clear if this is one of the black books signings, or Marquis money (lines become very blurry at this point).
Now we're told the main striker target is another loanee from the premiership.
We've already got 4 loan players.
Either Baptiste and Taylor talked themselves into extremely lucrative contracts or there is some massive holes in the finances.
An extra loan player would leave us with 5 loan players in and around the first team squad. Its not every day we get a cash injection like we got from the Marquis transfer, and to neglect to forward plan and target, and invest in, a young up-and-coming forward of our own would be hugely disappointing.
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Maybe the manager hasn’t found the ideal player to purchase yet, or negotiations are on going..
Why do fans think it is easy to find and sign players.?
And I say again, that article does not say this would be the end of the signings..
Other clubs don’t leave them selfs without a striker to start a season though
Who says we weren’t trying.? Should we et someone to make up the numbers, or take a bit more time to get the right ones.?
Everyone knew marquis would leave this summer. We have had more than enough time to draw up a list of targets. Now 2 weeks into the season we are now going to rely on a loan player to replace him. I could understand if we had no money to spend but we have and a sizeable amount too.
We DID have a list of targets!!! However this list became redundant as soon as GM left!!
OK out goes one list in comes another, or should do
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Maybe the manager hasn’t found the ideal player to purchase yet, or negotiations are on going..
Why do fans think it is easy to find and sign players.?
And I say again, that article does not say this would be the end of the signings..
IDM an you remember the club saying DM has a black book full of players and contacts and loads of friends in the game that will help him, so is it a fib or is it true cos there is nothing coming from it at all
Maybe some of his targets don’t want to come or their clubs won’t let them go.. maybe having assessed the squad, DM thinks some of those players won’t fit.
Maybe he’s still trying with others..
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Maybe the manager hasn’t found the ideal player to purchase yet, or negotiations are on going..
Why do fans think it is easy to find and sign players.?
And I say again, that article does not say this would be the end of the signings..
Nobody said it was easy, but I'm struggling to think of many other clubs that find it THIS difficult. Especially when we're being told all summer long that the money is there, the Marquis money is to be re-invested, the signings are lined up and ready to go etc.
I'm not one for disbelieving the positive noises coming out of the club, but now I'm really beginning to wonder. Something is not adding up and we seem to be very much lacking in direction.
Did you come to that conclusion when Taylor signed completely unexpected (to supporters).?
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Early days as yet. Given pre-season, anything mid table would do this year but I just can’t shake this feeling that we’ll be going up
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It's all getting a bit boring now. Can't wait for the window to close.
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We are a loss making business and I think it’s totally understandable if the money we got for Marquis is used to offset the operating deficit. But if that is to be the case then the management of expectations hasn’t been very good.
There’s been talk of money to spend, and using any sales to strengthen the team and develop the squad, but the reality just doesn’t seem to be happening. Instead it appears from reading that article that we’ll go for the cheaper fix and develop a player for someone else to benefit from in the long run. Certainly seems unconventional to develop a team without having any strikers contract to the club. Maybe we are pioneers!
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Maybe the manager hasn’t found the ideal player to purchase yet, or negotiations are on going..
Why do fans think it is easy to find and sign players.?
And I say again, that article does not say this would be the end of the signings..
IDM an you remember the club saying DM has a black book full of players and contacts and loads of friends in the game that will help him, so is it a fib or is it true cos there is nothing coming from it at all
So cos he hasn't signed the players you want immediately it's all lies to con the fans again.
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Maybe the manager hasn’t found the ideal player to purchase yet, or negotiations are on going..
Why do fans think it is easy to find and sign players.?
And I say again, that article does not say this would be the end of the signings..
IDM an you remember the club saying DM has a black book full of players and contacts and loads of friends in the game that will help him, so is it a fib or is it true cos there is nothing coming from it at all
Maybe some of his targets don’t want to come or their clubs won’t let them go.. maybe having assessed the squad, DM thinks some of those players won’t fit.
Maybe he’s still trying with others..
a lot of ifs and buts there IDM, I think we need to show the fans we mean business
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We are a loss making business and I think it’s totally understandable if the money we got for Marquis is used to offset the operating deficit. But if that is to be the case then the management of expectations hasn’t been very good.
There’s been talk of money to spend, and using any sales to strengthen the team and develop the squad, but the reality just doesn’t seem to be happening. Instead it appears from reading that article that we’ll go for the cheaper fix and develop a player for someone else to benefit from in the long run. Certainly seems unconventional to develop a team without having any strikers contract to the club. Maybe we are pioneers!
what makes you think this will be the last signing.?
I’m not saying it will or won’t be, as I don’t know, but some folks clearly think we won’t get anyone else.!
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Maybe the manager hasn’t found the ideal player to purchase yet, or negotiations are on going..
Why do fans think it is easy to find and sign players.?
And I say again, that article does not say this would be the end of the signings..
IDM an you remember the club saying DM has a black book full of players and contacts and loads of friends in the game that will help him, so is it a fib or is it true cos there is nothing coming from it at all
Maybe some of his targets don’t want to come or their clubs won’t let them go.. maybe having assessed the squad, DM thinks some of those players won’t fit.
Maybe he’s still trying with others..
a lot of ifs and buts there IDM, I think we need to show the fans we mean business
So what did the signing of Taylor tell us.?
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Maybe the manager hasn’t found the ideal player to purchase yet, or negotiations are on going..
Why do fans think it is easy to find and sign players.?
And I say again, that article does not say this would be the end of the signings..
IDM an you remember the club saying DM has a black book full of players and contacts and loads of friends in the game that will help him, so is it a fib or is it true cos there is nothing coming from it at all
So cos he hasn't signed the players you want immediately it's all lies to con the fans again.
sorry I did not realise you had changed your name IDM, and for your information I never used the word lies or cons did I just get your facts correct before chelping
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Maybe the manager hasn’t found the ideal player to purchase yet, or negotiations are on going..
Why do fans think it is easy to find and sign players.?
And I say again, that article does not say this would be the end of the signings..
IDM an you remember the club saying DM has a black book full of players and contacts and loads of friends in the game that will help him, so is it a fib or is it true cos there is nothing coming from it at all
So cos he hasn't signed the players you want immediately it's all lies to con the fans again.
sorry I did not realise you had changed your name IDM, and for your information I never used the word lies or cons did I just get your facts correct before chelping
So you're telling me a fib isn't essentially the same thing as a lie? :laugh:
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Not a great lot according to the Rotherscum Fans
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Not a great lot according to the Rotherscum Fans
Cos fans are never bitter towards players who've left, especially to their biggest rivals... :silly:
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No there are not you door handle
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I agree with the current scepticism of the club's transfer policy, if one exists.
Despite the good work that the club has done to improve its non-football operations, the way the football side of things are run still leaves a lot to be desired.
Sanctioning the sale of your only proven striker days before the season begins, without being pretty damn certain that an able replacement will be coming in sharpish, seems like a poor move. Especially having known all through the summer that he'd likely be off. How can something like this have seemingly taken the club by surprise?
I'm not keen on targeting more loan signings, we have plenty already. We ought to be investing the money in replacing one saleable asset with one or two more to keep the cycle going in the future.
I don't have a problem with loan signings to boost the squad, but an over reliance on loans players can be a problem. If 3/4 of your core first team players leave at the end of their loan period, add in a few more players whose contracts expire and move on (e.g. Rowe, Andrew) then that leaves you with a lot of work to do every summer before you can even start to think on improving from last year.
I obviously want the club to succeed, but the current strategy feels worryingly reactive and short-termist.
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There again I never said that ether, is this a day where you are going to get everything wrong not having a good day are you
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Maybe the manager hasn’t found the ideal player to purchase yet, or negotiations are on going..
Why do fans think it is easy to find and sign players.?
And I say again, that article does not say this would be the end of the signings..
IDM an you remember the club saying DM has a black book full of players and contacts and loads of friends in the game that will help him, so is it a fib or is it true cos there is nothing coming from it at all
Maybe some of his targets don’t want to come or their clubs won’t let them go.. maybe having assessed the squad, DM thinks some of those players won’t fit.
Maybe he’s still trying with others..
a lot of ifs and buts there IDM, I think we need to show the fans we mean business
So what did the signing of Taylor tell us.?
Bump.. waiting for an answer..
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Anyway are you IDM,s ROTTWEILER. this had nothing to do with you anyway it was for IDM and was not meant in any malice to him just a poin of view but you had to make an argument oh a simple question oh dear me lol
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From my reading of the article, one in now, one to follow and players in other positions also to follow.
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No Taylor does not mean anything IF he was not one of his little black dook contacts, and if he is then again it means nothing as he said the contacts were better or as good as JM
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Signing Taylor demonstrates that manager and the club have been looking for quality player additions - also that fans don’t necessarily know what’s happening behind the scenes..
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It’s all very confusing. How can we sell our top scorer and then embark on a season where we don’t have a single striker on the books of the club? It’s terrible forward planning. Selling Marquis was supposed to help us strengthen and develop the team. All we seem to be doing is plugging gaps with short term fixes.
I see what you did there...... :)
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I agree with the current scepticism of the club's transfer policy, if one exists.
Despite the good work that the club has done to improve its non-football operations, the way the football side of things are run still leaves a lot to be desired.
Sanctioning the sale of your only proven striker days before the season begins, without being pretty damn certain that an able replacement will be coming in sharpish, seems like a poor move. Especially having known all through the summer that he'd likely be off. How can something like this have seemingly taken the club by surprise?
I'm not keen on targeting more loan signings, we have plenty already. We ought to be investing the money in replacing one saleable asset with one or two more to keep the cycle going in the future.
I don't have a problem with loan signings to boost the squad, but an over reliance on loans players can be a problem. If 3/4 of your core first team players leave at the end of their loan period, add in a few more players whose contracts expire and move on (e.g. Rowe, Andrew) then that leaves you with a lot of work to do every summer before you can even start to think on improving from last year.
I obviously want the club to succeed, but the current strategy feels worryingly reactive and short-termist.
Short termist and reactive?? That’s what people in here are criticising the club for NOT being!
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Maybe the manager hasn’t found the ideal player to purchase yet, or negotiations are on going..
Why do fans think it is easy to find and sign players.?
And I say again, that article does not say this would be the end of the signings..
Other clubs don’t leave them selfs without a striker to start a season though
Who says we weren’t trying.? Should we et someone to make up the numbers, or take a bit more time to get the right ones.?
Everyone knew marquis would leave this summer. We have had more than enough time to draw up a list of targets. Now 2 weeks into the season we are now going to rely on a loan player to replace him. I could understand if we had no money to spend but we have and a sizeable amount too.
We DID have a list of targets!!! However this list became redundant as soon as GM left!!
OK out goes one list in comes another, or should do
Yes exactly, But some folk think we should go out and buy the first player who comes to mind! Utterly ridiculous!
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Signing Taylor demonstrates that manager and the club have been looking for quality player additions - also that fans don’t necessarily know what’s happening behind the scenes..
now be a good boy you know I was talking about his black book what him and Gavin were talking about
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Not just the marquis money though, we had money available before we sold marquis
So we keep being told yet non our previous or current manager seem to want to use it
Didn't SM say we used up all the budget last season?
Last season yes
Look at all the wages that have left the club since then
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Maybe the manager hasn’t found the ideal player to purchase yet, or negotiations are on going..
Why do fans think it is easy to find and sign players.?
And I say again, that article does not say this would be the end of the signings..
Other clubs don’t leave them selfs without a striker to start a season though
Who says we weren’t trying.? Should we et someone to make up the numbers, or take a bit more time to get the right ones.?
Everyone knew marquis would leave this summer. We have had more than enough time to draw up a list of targets. Now 2 weeks into the season we are now going to rely on a loan player to replace him. I could understand if we had no money to spend but we have and a sizeable amount too.
We DID have a list of targets!!! However this list became redundant as soon as GM left!!
OK out goes one list in comes another, or should do
Yes exactly, But some folk think we should go out and buy the first player who comes to mind! Utterly ridiculous!
well I'm not one of them HA but when someone tells you something you expect them to try and stick to it
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Fact is we shouldn’t have let marquis go if we didn’t have someone lined up and ready to sign.
How anyone can argue against this being very poor planning is beyond me
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Signing Taylor demonstrates that manager and the club have been looking for quality player additions - also that fans don’t necessarily know what’s happening behind the scenes..
now be a good boy you know I was talking about his black book what him and Gavin were talking about
That’s irrelevant - you raised the point about the club meaning business.. I pointed out that signing Taylor shows just that..
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Who says we weren’t trying.? Should we et someone to make up the numbers, or take a bit more time to get the right ones.?
christ on a bike, some common sense at last !
the 'for f**k's sake just sign anyone, now, because I have the patience of a three year old and want new shiny things immediately or i'm going to continually whine like a spoiled brat' t**ts need to calm down a bit and realise that there are three full weeks from now until the League One deadline
similarly, anyone who is of the opinion that a measured, thoughtful approach to what should turn out to be the most significant signing of the season is somehow in contravention of any stated long term ambition is also beyond stupid and needs to give themselves a shake
but then i guess i'm forgetting that DM has already wasted 20% of the ten game window after which 'people are going to be making up their minds about him', so maybe he should just spend £850k on someone from Frickley and have done with it - hurrah !
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Fact is we shouldn’t have let marquis go if we didn’t have someone lined up and ready to sign.
How anyone can argue against this being very poor planning is beyond me
I think we had to let him go as he did not want to be here
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I agree with the current scepticism of the club's transfer policy, if one exists.
Despite the good work that the club has done to improve its non-football operations, the way the football side of things are run still leaves a lot to be desired.
Sanctioning the sale of your only proven striker days before the season begins, without being pretty damn certain that an able replacement will be coming in sharpish, seems like a poor move. Especially having known all through the summer that he'd likely be off. How can something like this have seemingly taken the club by surprise?
I'm not keen on targeting more loan signings, we have plenty already. We ought to be investing the money in replacing one saleable asset with one or two more to keep the cycle going in the future.
I don't have a problem with loan signings to boost the squad, but an over reliance on loans players can be a problem. If 3/4 of your core first team players leave at the end of their loan period, add in a few more players whose contracts expire and move on (e.g. Rowe, Andrew) then that leaves you with a lot of work to do every summer before you can even start to think on improving from last year.
I obviously want the club to succeed, but the current strategy feels worryingly reactive and short-termist.
Short termist and reactive?? That’s what people in here are criticising the club for NOT being!
Your point being what exactly?
To reiterate, I agree with the following criticisms of the club:
a) Not being proactive in identifying and working to bring in Marquis replacements in good time despite knowing for months that he'd be going.
b) Seemingly prioritising short term solutions rather than investing in the next saleable asset.
Both of which have been discussed in this thread. Do you disagree with them?
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I agree with the current scepticism of the club's transfer policy, if one exists.
Despite the good work that the club has done to improve its non-football operations, the way the football side of things are run still leaves a lot to be desired.
Sanctioning the sale of your only proven striker days before the season begins, without being pretty damn certain that an able replacement will be coming in sharpish, seems like a poor move. Especially having known all through the summer that he'd likely be off. How can something like this have seemingly taken the club by surprise?
I'm not keen on targeting more loan signings, we have plenty already. We ought to be investing the money in replacing one saleable asset with one or two more to keep the cycle going in the future.
I don't have a problem with loan signings to boost the squad, but an over reliance on loans players can be a problem. If 3/4 of your core first team players leave at the end of their loan period, add in a few more players whose contracts expire and move on (e.g. Rowe, Andrew) then that leaves you with a lot of work to do every summer before you can even start to think on improving from last year.
I obviously want the club to succeed, but the current strategy feels worryingly reactive and short-termist.
Short termist and reactive?? That’s what people in here are criticising the club for NOT being!
Your point being what exactly?
To reiterate, I agree with the following criticisms of the club:
a) Not being proactive in identifying and working to bring in Marquis replacements in good time despite knowing for months that he'd be going.
b) Seemingly prioritising short term solutions rather than investing in the next saleable asset.
Both of which have been discussed in this thread. Do you disagree with them?
What I’m confused by is how you can accuse the club of short-termism. If that was the case surely we’d have bought the first striker available? Secondly, you’re accusing the club of not being pro active re Marquis replacement. If you’d read the whole thread you’ll see that we DID have a shortlist of potential replacements that was formulated should JM decide to leave, which wasn’t known for sure until after the Charlton game by the way. However this list, created with GM, was redundant as soon as GM left! So, all the planning that had taken place before hand was meaningless and it was back to the drawing board. So, with this in mind how about sharing with us exactly what the club should have done differently?
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Not just the marquis money though, we had money available before we sold marquis
So we keep being told yet non our previous or current manager seem to want to use it
Didn't SM say we used up all the budget last season?
Last season yes
Look at all the wages that have left the club since then
The problem DF and GB will have to sign permanent players or player will wages and length of contract.
So we are endeavouring to bring better players their wages I’m my opinion will be more than what John was on. From the Championship with pedigree they were bound to be. DM is a good manager he has looked at the squad and development understudies and realised he needs better for the squad. He has tried to get in proven permanent strikers and it appears agreements could not be made. Little black book do not pay wages or length of contract. GM was altering his stance week by week while he was here. Stronger squad, tried to resign players failed he wanted to reduce their terms. Others left due financial or family reasons.
He wanted a GK and CH nearly had them over the line went on holiday didn’t get them at that time, put them on back burner.
Tried to sign Newell failed to get that over the line.
So we are where we are now and even though we have lost John signing his replacement was never ever going to be easy if you want quality in a striker. GMs replacement for him went with him to Hull.
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"We're after two strikers with similar or better records than Marquis".
Doubt this loanee has a record anywhere near Marquis.
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Look at the bench we had Longbottom And Kiwomya on it that speaks volumes to me we don’t have the quality or the strength in depth and the board have given a bigger budget than last season that is complete garbage how is this seasons squad on more money than last season
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Look at the bench we had Longbottom And Kiwomya on it that speaks volumes to me we don’t have the quality or the strength in depth and the board have given a bigger budget than last season that is complete garbage how is this seasons squad on more money than last season
The squad isn’t finished yet..
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Look at the bench we had Longbottom And Kiwomya on it that speaks volumes to me we don’t have the quality or the strength in depth and the board have given a bigger budget than last season that is complete garbage how is this seasons squad on more money than last season
We’re still building the squad!!
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Longbottom is home grown too, so he ticks off that box.
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Our recruitment really is very very poor
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Maybe the manager hasn’t found the ideal player to purchase yet, or negotiations are on going..
Why do fans think it is easy to find and sign players.?
And I say again, that article does not say this would be the end of the signings..
Other clubs don’t leave them selfs without a striker to start a season though
It’s pretty much unavoidable when your striker leaves a week before the season starts AND your former Manager nips in to sign the replacements before our new manager is in place!!
That is why you set a contingency plan for all eventualities
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Our recruitment really is very very poor
Why?
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Fact is we shouldn’t have let marquis go if we didn’t have someone lined up and ready to sign.
How anyone can argue against this being very poor planning is beyond me
I think we had to let him go as he did not want to be here
No we didn't he was still under contract
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Longbottom is home grown too, so he ticks off that box.
That’s why is on the bench, because he meets the criteria of home grown developed player, that has to be met.
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Fact is we shouldn’t have let marquis go if we didn’t have someone lined up and ready to sign.
How anyone can argue against this being very poor planning is beyond me
How come everyone is now saying what I was implying a week ago but got dogs abuse for.
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Not just the marquis money though, we had money available before we sold marquis
So we keep being told yet non our previous or current manager seem to want to use it
Didn't SM say we used up all the budget last season?
Last season yes
Look at all the wages that have left the club since then
The problem DF and GB will have to sign permanent players or player will wages and length of contract.
So we are endeavouring to bring better players their wages I’m my opinion will be more than what John was on. From the Championship with pedigree they were bound to be. DM is a good manager he has looked at the squad and development understudies and realised he needs better for the squad. He has tried to get in proven permanent strikers and it appears agreements could not be made. Little black book do not pay wages or length of contract. GM was altering his stance week by week while he was here. Stronger squad, tried to resign players failed he wanted to reduce their terms. Others left due financial or family reasons.
He wanted a GK and CH nearly had them over the line went on holiday didn’t get them at that time, put them on back burner.
Tried to sign Newell failed to get that over the line.
So we are where we are now and even though we have lost John signing his replacement was never ever going to be easy if you want quality in a striker. GMs replacement for him went with him to Hull.
Sorry but where's the evidence of Darren Moore being a good manager. How many trophies and promotions are on his CV please.
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Maybe the manager hasn’t found the ideal player to purchase yet, or negotiations are on going..
Why do fans think it is easy to find and sign players.?
And I say again, that article does not say this would be the end of the signings..
Other clubs don’t leave them selfs without a striker to start a season though
It’s pretty much unavoidable when your striker leaves a week before the season starts AND your former Manager nips in to sign the replacements before our new manager is in place!!
That is why you set a contingency plan for all eventualities
But we did have a contingency plan but that went to pot when GM left!!!
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Our recruitment really is very very poor
Why?
🤡
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Maybe the manager hasn’t found the ideal player to purchase yet, or negotiations are on going..
Why do fans think it is easy to find and sign players.?
And I say again, that article does not say this would be the end of the signings..
Other clubs don’t leave them selfs without a striker to start a season though
It’s pretty much unavoidable when your striker leaves a week before the season starts AND your former Manager nips in to sign the replacements before our new manager is in place!!
That is why you set a contingency plan for all eventualities
But we did have a contingency plan but that went to pot when GM left!!!
We're not talking about the manager, it's the player you plan for. for Copps sake !!!!!!
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Its hard to make out what is going on at the rovers.
We started with an almost bouncing Gavin Baldwin saying Moore has got a little black book, and we're making the funds available to sign A, B and C.
Marquis leaves.
We're told 100% of that money will be reinvested in the squad.
We put bids in for two players - that has now obviously now fallen through. We're on at least plan B, maybe even plan C (fine this happens in football)
Sign Taylor - not clear if this is one of the black books signings, or Marquis money (lines become very blurry at this point).
Now we're told the main striker target is another loanee from the premiership.
We've already got 4 loan players.
Either Baptiste and Taylor talked themselves into extremely lucrative contracts or there is some massive holes in the finances.
An extra loan player would leave us with 5 loan players in and around the first team squad. Its not every day we get a cash injection like we got from the Marquis transfer, and to neglect to forward plan and target, and invest in, a young up-and-coming forward of our own would be hugely disappointing.
Lol,..ya kill me.....
We have young and upcoming strikers in the club, but nobody wants to take a chance because our fans version of...
“ young and upcoming”
actually means
“ established goal machine who can guarantee 20 goals a season “
I’m so pleased that the lines aren’t blurred regarding what we need...
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We knew that John wanted to go, but it appears Championship clubs were not queuing up to sign him. GM and maybe the club expected him to go early didn’t happen. Manager change we offered him a new contract but he wouldn’t sign he wanted to move South for family reasons. Portsmouth made an offer that met our criteria now we may have said can we sign another striker first and Portsmouth wanted him before the season started. Dilemma money now or miss out and have a disgruntled striker who was going no where. Even GM said he had two players lined up if GM went but no plan of signing before. So yes bad planning but signing strikers to lead the line in league one cost money therefore having two on the books would not happen.
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Our recruitment really is very very poor
Why?
look at what we’ve signed from the apparent big budget. Senior players have left who would have been on decent money. It’s been well known since January that Marquis was leaving and yet we’ve had nobody lined up. We’ve signed plenty of loans again and there seems no long termism to what we are doing at all so next summer we will just have the exact same.
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Fact is we shouldn’t have let marquis go if we didn’t have someone lined up and ready to sign.
How anyone can argue against this being very poor planning is beyond me
How come everyone is now saying what I was implying a week ago but got dogs abuse for.
When you say we shouldn’t of let Marquis go, are you actually proposing that we should have kept him against his wishes?
Not quite kidnapping, but being kept captive and being made to play I assume?
and how do you think that would have panned out?
Do you think he would have put his all into chasing and harrying defences, putting in potential career changing tackles, bearing in mind he wants the big pay day....are you thinking the rest of the players would rally to him and support him, knowing he was jumping ship once we got his replacement in...
I don’t get what you think a disgruntled player can offer to a club once he’s made his mind up to leave!!
Please enlighten me with a reasonable response steeped in facts not fantasy...
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Sorry but where's the evidence of Darren Moore being a good manager. How many trophies and promotions are on his CV please.
I tend to agree with this, he took over a doomed PL club, the new manager effect nearly saved them. He then continued in the Championship with basically the same squad, they were favourites for promotion, he was sacked (harshly) when they were in 4th place, he did n’t need to do much to his squad really
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Its hard to make out what is going on at the rovers.
We started with an almost bouncing Gavin Baldwin saying Moore has got a little black book, and we're making the funds available to sign A, B and C.
Marquis leaves.
We're told 100% of that money will be reinvested in the squad.
We put bids in for two players - that has now obviously now fallen through. We're on at least plan B, maybe even plan C (fine this happens in football)
Sign Taylor - not clear if this is one of the black books signings, or Marquis money (lines become very blurry at this point).
Now we're told the main striker target is another loanee from the premiership.
We've already got 4 loan players.
Either Baptiste and Taylor talked themselves into extremely lucrative contracts or there is some massive holes in the finances.
An extra loan player would leave us with 5 loan players in and around the first team squad. Its not every day we get a cash injection like we got from the Marquis transfer, and to neglect to forward plan and target, and invest in, a young up-and-coming forward of our own would be hugely disappointing.
Lol,..ya kill me.....
We have young and upcoming strikers in the club, but nobody wants to take a chance because our fans version of...
“ young and upcoming”
actually means
“ established goal machine who can guarantee 20 goals a season “
I’m so pleased that the lines aren’t blurred regarding what we need...
That IS what we've been told we are in negotiations with
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Our recruitment really is very very poor
Why?
look at what we’ve signed from the apparent big budget. Senior players have left who would have been on decent money. It’s been well known since January that Marquis was leaving and yet we’ve had nobody lined up. We’ve signed plenty of loans again and there seems no long termism to what we are doing at all so next summer we will just have the exact same.
Are you saying Darren Moore knew that JM was leaving since January and he also had the inside track on the possible overtures from Hull for GM....
So therefore should have known his own demise, and got some strikers lined up?
Is that what you are saying?....
If not.....what the hell are you saying????
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Maybe the manager hasn’t found the ideal player to purchase yet, or negotiations are on going..
Why do fans think it is easy to find and sign players.?
And I say again, that article does not say this would be the end of the signings..
Other clubs don’t leave them selfs without a striker to start a season though
It’s pretty much unavoidable when your striker leaves a week before the season starts AND your former Manager nips in to sign the replacements before our new manager is in place!!
That is why you set a contingency plan for all eventualities
But we did have a contingency plan but that went to pot when GM left!!!
We're not talking about the manager, it's the player you plan for. for Copps sake !!!!!!
Jesus wept!! You’re not going to keep the same player shortlist for a new manager are you!! You e got to start again from scratch
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Fact is we shouldn’t have let marquis go if we didn’t have someone lined up and ready to sign.
How anyone can argue against this being very poor planning is beyond me
How come everyone is now saying what I was implying a week ago but got dogs abuse for.
When you say we shouldn’t of let Marquis go, are you actually proposing that we should have kept him against his wishes?
Not quite kidnapping, but being kept captive and being made to play I assume?
and how do you think that would have panned out?
Do you think he would have put his all into chasing and harrying defences, putting in potential career changing tackles, bearing in mind he wants the big pay day....are you thinking the rest of the players would rally to him and support him, knowing he was jumping ship once we got his replacement in...
I don’t get what you think a disgruntled player can offer to a club once he’s made his mind up to leave!!
Please enlighten me with a reasonable response steeped in facts not fantasy...
You are a complete helmet
And that my old son is called “ check freakin mate” ..
Come back when you are more battle hardened in rational debate, and stop waving that white napkin like a sabre....
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Some proper panic merchants out today.
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Our recruitment really is very very poor
Why?
look at what we’ve signed from the apparent big budget. Senior players have left who would have been on decent money. It’s been well known since January that Marquis was leaving and yet we’ve had nobody lined up. We’ve signed plenty of loans again and there seems no long termism to what we are doing at all so next summer we will just have the exact same.
Are you saying Darren Moore knew that JM was leaving since January and he also had the inside track on the possible overtures from Hull for GM....
So therefore should have known his own demise, and got some strikers lined up?
Is that what you are saying?....
If not.....what the hell are you saying????
everyone at the club knew marquis was leaving. I don’t quite see your point? If Moore had done his research then yes he would have known he was leaving. Moore had a little black book full of players we were told on his arrival and also that there was a budget to back him. So where is this then? Since he arrived we’ve signed 4 loan players. A centre back with a dreadful injury record and Taylor who is no doubt a good signing. It’s not brilliant recruitment is it?
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Maybe the manager hasn’t found the ideal player to purchase yet, or negotiations are on going..
Why do fans think it is easy to find and sign players.?
And I say again, that article does not say this would be the end of the signings..
Other clubs don’t leave them selfs without a striker to start a season though
It’s pretty much unavoidable when your striker leaves a week before the season starts AND your former Manager nips in to sign the replacements before our new manager is in place!!
That is why you set a contingency plan for all eventualities
But we did have a contingency plan but that went to pot when GM left!!!
We're not talking about the manager, it's the player you plan for. for Copps sake !!!!!!
Jesus wept!! You’re not going to keep the same player shortlist for a new manager are you!! You e got to start again from scratch
Herbert.,
It looks like it’s thee n me against them...
Don’t bring a brain cell, it’s not needed....
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Maybe the manager hasn’t found the ideal player to purchase yet, or negotiations are on going..
Why do fans think it is easy to find and sign players.?
And I say again, that article does not say this would be the end of the signings..
Other clubs don’t leave them selfs without a striker to start a season though
It’s pretty much unavoidable when your striker leaves a week before the season starts AND your former Manager nips in to sign the replacements before our new manager is in place!!
That is why you set a contingency plan for all eventualities
But we did have a contingency plan but that went to pot when GM left!!!
We're not talking about the manager, it's the player you plan for. for Copps sake !!!!!!
Jesus wept!! You’re not going to keep the same player shortlist for a new manager are you!! You e got to start again from scratch
that’s not really the way it works in football anymore
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Our recruitment really is very very poor
Why?
look at what we’ve signed from the apparent big budget. Senior players have left who would have been on decent money. It’s been well known since January that Marquis was leaving and yet we’ve had nobody lined up. We’ve signed plenty of loans again and there seems no long termism to what we are doing at all so next summer we will just have the exact same.
How can we have any long term preparation when our manager has only been in place a month?
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Thank f**k we didn't lose the last couple of games. There'd be heads exploding all over the site.
I suspect there's going to be one or two very embarrassed silences coming up in the next week or two. Hopefully, extended silences.
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Our recruitment really is very very poor
Why?
look at what we’ve signed from the apparent big budget. Senior players have left who would have been on decent money. It’s been well known since January that Marquis was leaving and yet we’ve had nobody lined up. We’ve signed plenty of loans again and there seems no long termism to what we are doing at all so next summer we will just have the exact same.
How can we have any long term preparation when our manager has only been in place a month?
because you should have a good scouting range in the club. As a club we should be looking at players who could have potentially replaced Marquis, who could potentially replace Whiteman, Wright etc. That’s how it should be planned with a good scouting network for options in these positions should our best assets leave.
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I agree with the current scepticism of the club's transfer policy, if one exists.
Despite the good work that the club has done to improve its non-football operations, the way the football side of things are run still leaves a lot to be desired.
Sanctioning the sale of your only proven striker days before the season begins, without being pretty damn certain that an able replacement will be coming in sharpish, seems like a poor move. Especially having known all through the summer that he'd likely be off. How can something like this have seemingly taken the club by surprise?
I'm not keen on targeting more loan signings, we have plenty already. We ought to be investing the money in replacing one saleable asset with one or two more to keep the cycle going in the future.
I don't have a problem with loan signings to boost the squad, but an over reliance on loans players can be a problem. If 3/4 of your core first team players leave at the end of their loan period, add in a few more players whose contracts expire and move on (e.g. Rowe, Andrew) then that leaves you with a lot of work to do every summer before you can even start to think on improving from last year.
I obviously want the club to succeed, but the current strategy feels worryingly reactive and short-termist.
Short termist and reactive?? That’s what people in here are criticising the club for NOT being!
Your point being what exactly?
To reiterate, I agree with the following criticisms of the club:
a) Not being proactive in identifying and working to bring in Marquis replacements in good time despite knowing for months that he'd be going.
b) Seemingly prioritising short term solutions rather than investing in the next saleable asset.
Both of which have been discussed in this thread. Do you disagree with them?
What I’m confused by is how you can accuse the club of short-termism. If that was the case surely we’d have bought the first striker available? Secondly, you’re accusing the club of not being pro active re Marquis replacement. If you’d read the whole thread you’ll see that we DID have a shortlist of potential replacements that was formulated should JM decide to leave, which wasn’t known for sure until after the Charlton game by the way. However this list, created with GM, was redundant as soon as GM left! So, all the planning that had taken place before hand was meaningless and it was back to the drawing board. So, with this in mind how about sharing with us exactly what the club should have done differently?
As I've said, the club instinctively turning to loan players, and heavily relying on that system (we currently have 4 loanees and are targeting another), rather than developing our own players is a short-termist approach. If we were to go down the route of signing older players on 1 year deals to replace saleable assets, then that would be short-termist too. Nowhere have I said that the club should be targeting the first players that become available.
I don't see why all recruitment planning should go out of the window if the manager leaves. If your recruitment plans rest entirely on the presence of one individual, in a role which has an average tenure of about 18 months then it isn't very robust is it? When Moore was appointed, Gavin Baldwin said that we had deals in place so I'm not sure that's even true. What happened after that, I have no idea.
Even so, we still had three weeks with a manager in place before the season started. How much time do we want like? Three weeks should easily be enough time to make progress on bringing a striker in if there is a plan in place. If not, then no one would ever sign anybody.
And even then, if we'd still not made progress on bringing a replacement striker in, is it wise to sanction the Marquis transfer in that scenario? Or do you push back and say, like other clubs do, that we'll sell, but only once we've found a replacement?
If we'd have been proactive we'd have had a striker in either before Marquis left or ready to confirm if and when he did. If we'd have waited until he left before trying to move for a replacement then I can understand why we're in the situation that we're in.
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Our recruitment really is very very poor
Why?
look at what we’ve signed from the apparent big budget. Senior players have left who would have been on decent money. It’s been well known since January that Marquis was leaving and yet we’ve had nobody lined up. We’ve signed plenty of loans again and there seems no long termism to what we are doing at all so next summer we will just have the exact same.
Are you saying Darren Moore knew that JM was leaving since January and he also had the inside track on the possible overtures from Hull for GM....
So therefore should have known his own demise, and got some strikers lined up?
Is that what you are saying?....
If not.....what the hell are you saying????
everyone at the club knew marquis was leaving. I don’t quite see your point? If Moore had done his research then yes he would have known he was leaving. Moore had a little black book full of players we were told on his arrival and also that there was a budget to back him. So where is this then? Since he arrived we’ve signed 4 loan players. A centre back with a dreadful injury record and Taylor who is no doubt a good signing. It’s not brilliant recruitment is it?
Let me get this right...
If everyone at the club knew JM was leaving in January,
then by your flawed logic, everyone at the club must have known we wouldn’t get promoted by May.... am I right so far?
So you are saying we ( being Grant McCann) should have brought in or at least identified potential strikers for the eventuality of failing to get promoted?
Am I right in thinking that this appears flawed by a timeline and an eventual outcome to the season?
I mean ....would JM have left for league one Portsmouth if we had got promotion....mmmmmmm before you react ac I fear....reread the timelines and possible season outcome, and come to the same conclusion you did!
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The trouble is..there's a lot of...
whatabouterry
whatifferry
maybeiffery
..going on the forum. Not one person has provided a convincing counter argument why signing another loan striker is a better approach than spending (the supposed) money we have on a young, long-term prospect striker, that's our own and has a long term potential resale value.
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Our recruitment really is very very poor
Why?
look at what we’ve signed from the apparent big budget. Senior players have left who would have been on decent money. It’s been well known since January that Marquis was leaving and yet we’ve had nobody lined up. We’ve signed plenty of loans again and there seems no long termism to what we are doing at all so next summer we will just have the exact same.
How can we have any long term preparation when our manager has only been in place a month?
because you should have a good scouting range in the club. As a club we should be looking at players who could have potentially replaced Marquis, who could potentially replace Whiteman, Wright etc. That’s how it should be planned with a good scouting network for options in these positions should our best assets leave.
Shoulda, woulda, coulda, .....we clearly havent
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Our recruitment really is very very poor
Why?
look at what we’ve signed from the apparent big budget. Senior players have left who would have been on decent money. It’s been well known since January that Marquis was leaving and yet we’ve had nobody lined up. We’ve signed plenty of loans again and there seems no long termism to what we are doing at all so next summer we will just have the exact same.
Are you saying Darren Moore knew that JM was leaving since January and he also had the inside track on the possible overtures from Hull for GM....
So therefore should have known his own demise, and got some strikers lined up?
Is that what you are saying?....
If not.....what the hell are you saying????
everyone at the club knew marquis was leaving. I don’t quite see your point? If Moore had done his research then yes he would have known he was leaving. Moore had a little black book full of players we were told on his arrival and also that there was a budget to back him. So where is this then? Since he arrived we’ve signed 4 loan players. A centre back with a dreadful injury record and Taylor who is no doubt a good signing. It’s not brilliant recruitment is it?
Let me get this right...
If everyone at the club knew JM was leaving in January,
then by your flawed logic, everyone at the club must have known we wouldn’t get promoted by May.... am I right so far?
So you are saying we ( being Grant McCann) should have brought in or at least identified potential strikers for the eventuality of failing to get promoted?
Am I right in thinking that this appears flawed by a timeline and an eventual outcome to the season?
I mean ....would JM have left for league one Portsmouth if we had got promotion....mmmmmmm before you react ac I fear....reread the timelines and possible season outcome, and come to the same conclusion you did!
he expressed a desire to leave on the last day of the January window and grant asked him to stay until the end of the season. At the very least that makes it a possibility of him leaving. Now if that’s the case should the club not be looking at potential replacements? Just as we should for the other assets I’ve mentioned. Surely that is a better long term approach?
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Our recruitment really is very very poor
Why?
look at what we’ve signed from the apparent big budget. Senior players have left who would have been on decent money. It’s been well known since January that Marquis was leaving and yet we’ve had nobody lined up. We’ve signed plenty of loans again and there seems no long termism to what we are doing at all so next summer we will just have the exact same.
How can we have any long term preparation when our manager has only been in place a month?
because you should have a good scouting range in the club. As a club we should be looking at players who could have potentially replaced Marquis, who could potentially replace Whiteman, Wright etc. That’s how it should be planned with a good scouting network for options in these positions should our best assets leave.
Shoulda, woulda, coulda, .....we clearly havent
right then. That’s all I’m saying that our recruitment hasn’t been good and there should be more of a long term approach too it and all you get is being jumped on for being a doom and gloom merchant.
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Two games in Two points both scored by a sub with 40minutes play time in both games
does that say something
Alfie May men of match both games we need Help
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The trouble is..there's a lot of...
whatabouterry
whatifferry
maybeiffery
..going on the forum. Not one person has provided a convincing counter argument why signing another loan striker is a better approach than spending (the supposed) money we have on a young, long-term prospect striker, that's our own and has a long term potential resale value.
Ok I’ll have a go...
The loan for a striker is like a stop gap, ....get a good one in and you can scrape some results whilst taking your time to really do some homework on strikers you actually want....not perfect, but an ideal solution to a problem ..... yes the loans will leave in 6-12 months but in that time the new manager has set up his off field team, and the right players are being targeted , maybe even tapped up ...who knows...
A loan striker makes sense under our circumstances, ..it’s not about the money at this point, it’s about keeping within shouting distance of the pack, without hastily committing to a striker that may not work out
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Our recruitment really is very very poor
Why?
look at what we’ve signed from the apparent big budget. Senior players have left who would have been on decent money. It’s been well known since January that Marquis was leaving and yet we’ve had nobody lined up. We’ve signed plenty of loans again and there seems no long termism to what we are doing at all so next summer we will just have the exact same.
Are you saying Darren Moore knew that JM was leaving since January and he also had the inside track on the possible overtures from Hull for GM....
So therefore should have known his own demise, and got some strikers lined up?
Is that what you are saying?....
If not.....what the hell are you saying????
everyone at the club knew marquis was leaving. I don’t quite see your point? If Moore had done his research then yes he would have known he was leaving. Moore had a little black book full of players we were told on his arrival and also that there was a budget to back him. So where is this then? Since he arrived we’ve signed 4 loan players. A centre back with a dreadful injury record and Taylor who is no doubt a good signing. It’s not brilliant recruitment is it?
Let me get this right...
If everyone at the club knew JM was leaving in January,
then by your flawed logic, everyone at the club must have known we wouldn’t get promoted by May.... am I right so far?
So you are saying we ( being Grant McCann) should have brought in or at least identified potential strikers for the eventuality of failing to get promoted?
Am I right in thinking that this appears flawed by a timeline and an eventual outcome to the season?
I mean ....would JM have left for league one Portsmouth if we had got promotion....mmmmmmm before you react ac I fear....reread the timelines and possible season outcome, and come to the same conclusion you did!
he expressed a desire to leave on the last day of the January window and grant asked him to stay until the end of the season. At the very least that makes it a possibility of him leaving. Now if that’s the case should the club not be looking at potential replacements? Just as we should for the other assets I’ve mentioned. Surely that is a better long term approach?
I’m sorry for having to repeat myself on this thread, but we DID have a shortlist of replacements for JM identified by GM. However, he took one of these with him to Hull. The list meant nothing after GM left.
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The trouble is..there's a lot of...
whatabouterry
whatifferry
maybeiffery
..going on the forum. Not one person has provided a convincing counter argument why signing another loan striker is a better approach than spending (the supposed) money we have on a young, long-term prospect striker, that's our own and has a long term potential resale value.
Ok I’ll have a go...
The loan for a striker is like a stop gap, ....get a good one in and you can scrape some results whilst taking your time to really do some homework on strikers you actually want....not perfect, but an ideal solution to a problem ..... yes the loans will leave in 6-12 months but in that time the new manager has set up his off field team, and the right players are being targeted , maybe even tapped up ...who knows...
A little an striker makes sense under our circumstances, ..it’s not about the money at this point, it’s about keeping within shouting distance of the pack, without hastily committing to a striker that may not work out
stop gap
scrape some results
leave in 6-12 months
keeping within shouting distance
Thanks. All I needed to confirm my own opinion.
I pray to the gods our club's not being run like that.
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Are we getting a little hysterical here, read the whole article and what he says near the end "we have offers in for a couple"
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read the whole article and what he says near the end "we have offers in for a couple"
Posh and Becks? That would spice things up.
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Our recruitment really is very very poor
Why?
look at what we’ve signed from the apparent big budget. Senior players have left who would have been on decent money. It’s been well known since January that Marquis was leaving and yet we’ve had nobody lined up. We’ve signed plenty of loans again and there seems no long termism to what we are doing at all so next summer we will just have the exact same.
How can we have any long term preparation when our manager has only been in place a month?
because you should have a good scouting range in the club. As a club we should be looking at players who could have potentially replaced Marquis, who could potentially replace Whiteman, Wright etc. That’s how it should be planned with a good scouting network for options in these positions should our best assets leave.
Shoulda, woulda, coulda, .....we clearly havent
right then. That’s all I’m saying that our recruitment hasn’t been good and there should be more of a long term approach too it and all you get is being jumped on for being a doom and gloom merchant.
Ya can’t make a silk purse from a sow’s ear....
We are what we are, pointing out our flaws doesn’t make the flaw go away....it only takes one to throw a stone before the looting and fires start...
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Our recruitment really is very very poor
Why?
look at what we’ve signed from the apparent big budget. Senior players have left who would have been on decent money. It’s been well known since January that Marquis was leaving and yet we’ve had nobody lined up. We’ve signed plenty of loans again and there seems no long termism to what we are doing at all so next summer we will just have the exact same.
Are you saying Darren Moore knew that JM was leaving since January and he also had the inside track on the possible overtures from Hull for GM....
So therefore should have known his own demise, and got some strikers lined up?
Is that what you are saying?....
If not.....what the hell are you saying????
everyone at the club knew marquis was leaving. I don’t quite see your point? If Moore had done his research then yes he would have known he was leaving. Moore had a little black book full of players we were told on his arrival and also that there was a budget to back him. So where is this then? Since he arrived we’ve signed 4 loan players. A centre back with a dreadful injury record and Taylor who is no doubt a good signing. It’s not brilliant recruitment is it?
Let me get this right...
If everyone at the club knew JM was leaving in January,
then by your flawed logic, everyone at the club must have known we wouldn’t get promoted by May.... am I right so far?
So you are saying we ( being Grant McCann) should have brought in or at least identified potential strikers for the eventuality of failing to get promoted?
Am I right in thinking that this appears flawed by a timeline and an eventual outcome to the season?
I mean ....would JM have left for league one Portsmouth if we had got promotion....mmmmmmm before you react ac I fear....reread the timelines and possible season outcome, and come to the same conclusion you did!
he expressed a desire to leave on the last day of the January window and grant asked him to stay until the end of the season. At the very least that makes it a possibility of him leaving. Now if that’s the case should the club not be looking at potential replacements? Just as we should for the other assets I’ve mentioned. Surely that is a better long term approach?
I’m sorry for having to repeat myself on this thread, but we DID have a shortlist of replacements for JM identified by GM. However, he took one of these with him to Hull. The list meant nothing after GM left.
that’s where we need better recruitment. When we change our manager we tend to change the manager and the assistant but not the scouting network. I think we need some sort of director of football or head of recruitment to deal with that side of things
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The trouble is..there's a lot of...
whatabouterry
whatifferry
maybeiffery
..going on the forum. Not one person has provided a convincing counter argument why signing another loan striker is a better approach than spending (the supposed) money we have on a young, long-term prospect striker, that's our own and has a long term potential resale value.
Ok I’ll have a go...
The loan for a striker is like a stop gap, ....get a good one in and you can scrape some results whilst taking your time to really do some homework on strikers you actually want....not perfect, but an ideal solution to a problem ..... yes the loans will leave in 6-12 months but in that time the new manager has set up his off field team, and the right players are being targeted , maybe even tapped up ...who knows...
A little an striker makes sense under our circumstances, ..it’s not about the money at this point, it’s about keeping within shouting distance of the pack, without hastily committing to a striker that may not work out
stop gap
scrape some results
leave in 6-12 months
keeping within shouting distance
Thanks. All I needed to confirm my own opinion.
I pray to the gods our club's not being run like that.
The trouble is..there's a lot of...
whatabouterry
whatifferry
maybeiffery
..going on the forum. Not one person has provided a convincing counter argument why signing another loan striker is a better approach than spending (the supposed) money we have on a young, long-term prospect striker, that's our own and has a long term potential resale value.
Ok I’ll have a go...
The loan for a striker is like a stop gap, ....get a good one in and you can scrape some results whilst taking your time to really do some homework on strikers you actually want....not perfect, but an ideal solution to a problem ..... yes the loans will leave in 6-12 months but in that time the new manager has set up his off field team, and the right players are being targeted , maybe even tapped up ...who knows...
A little an striker makes sense under our circumstances, ..it’s not about the money at this point, it’s about keeping within shouting distance of the pack, without hastily committing to a striker that may not work out
stop gap
scrape some results
leave in 6-12 months
keeping within shouting distance
Thanks. All I needed to confirm my own opinion.
I pray to the gods our club's not being run like that.
I’m sorry, did that little bit of truth hurt?
The club just doesn’t have a magic wand to make everything alright,
the kid fell off the new bike and needs a plaster....
We are currently wearing that plaster......
Not sure what you are expecting really!
I doubt the club will issue a statement stating it’s failures, perhaps because at this moment in time things are still on Darren’s Track....and they have a little bit more trust in the outcomes than us......
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Are we getting a little hysterical here, read the whole article and what he says near the end "we have offers in for a couple"
Indeed,, folks see “loan” mentioned in the article for one player and the blinkers go on..
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Two games in Two points both scored by a sub with 40minutes play time in both games
does that say something
Alfie May men of match both games we need Help
Who's this sub who scored both goals?
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Two games in Two points both scored by a sub with 40minutes play time in both games
does that say something
Alfie May men of match both games we need Help
Two points both scored by a sub with 40 minutes play time in both games
What does this actually mean?
Does that say something
What does this actually mean?
Alfie May men of match both games, we need help!
What does this actually mean???
I’m sure you have a point to make, and it all made sense has it sluiced through your head, however it appears to have got lost once it left there....
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Fact is we shouldn’t have let marquis go if we didn’t have someone lined up and ready to sign.
How anyone can argue against this being very poor planning is beyond me
How come everyone is now saying what I was implying a week ago but got dogs abuse for.
When you say we shouldn’t of let Marquis go, are you actually proposing that we should have kept him against his wishes?
Not quite kidnapping, but being kept captive and being made to play I assume?
and how do you think that would have panned out?
Do you think he would have put his all into chasing and harrying defences, putting in potential career changing tackles, bearing in mind he wants the big pay day....are you thinking the rest of the players would rally to him and support him, knowing he was jumping ship once we got his replacement in...
I don’t get what you think a disgruntled player can offer to a club once he’s made his mind up to leave!!
Please enlighten me with a reasonable response steeped in facts not fantasy...
Not sure if you’re aware or not but he was under contract, there will be dozens of players that would like a move but if the club doesn’t feel they can replace them then they don’t go.
Zaha being a prime example,
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The trouble is..there's a lot of...
whatabouterry
whatifferry
maybeiffery
..going on the forum. Not one person has provided a convincing counter argument why signing another loan striker is a better approach than spending (the supposed) money we have on a young, long-term prospect striker, that's our own and has a long term potential resale value.
Ok I’ll have a go...
The loan for a striker is like a stop gap, ....get a good one in and you can scrape some results whilst taking your time to really do some homework on strikers you actually want....not perfect, but an ideal solution to a problem ..... yes the loans will leave in 6-12 months but in that time the new manager has set up his off field team, and the right players are being targeted , maybe even tapped up ...who knows...
A loan striker makes sense under our circumstances, ..it’s not about the money at this point, it’s about keeping within shouting distance of the pack, without hastily committing to a striker that may not work out
We should not be buying stop gaps. How long does it take to identify a striker. If DM and his staff are struggling to identify a striker rather than relying on “stop gaps” then maybe we need to bring someone in to take charge of the recruitment side of things so DM can concentrate on coaching the side. To be going into week 3 of the season without a single striker in your first team squad isn’t good enough imo. We have played 2 bang average sides and only got 2 points. The next 2 games will be a great deal tougher
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Fact is we shouldn’t have let marquis go if we didn’t have someone lined up and ready to sign.
How anyone can argue against this being very poor planning is beyond me
How come everyone is now saying what I was implying a week ago but got dogs abuse for.
When you say we shouldn’t of let Marquis go, are you actually proposing that we should have kept him against his wishes?
Not quite kidnapping, but being kept captive and being made to play I assume?
and how do you think that would have panned out?
Do you think he would have put his all into chasing and harrying defences, putting in potential career changing tackles, bearing in mind he wants the big pay day....are you thinking the rest of the players would rally to him and support him, knowing he was jumping ship once we got his replacement in...
I don’t get what you think a disgruntled player can offer to a club once he’s made his mind up to leave!!
Please enlighten me with a reasonable response steeped in facts not fantasy...
What’s the point in contracts then if every player who wants to leave should just be let go. “Being held captive and being made to play” are you being serious... you mean actually doing his job... you do write some absolute rubbish
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How do you know the striker(s) haven’t been identified and negotiations going on.? Just because nothing has been said.? What was said about Taylor before he signed only a few days ago.?
How you can say any team is bang average after two games doesn’t make sense either..
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Too much flapaboutery going on here :woot:
Getting a good loan striker is better than picking the scraps of what's available, or throwing money away by teasing a player from a club that he's already settled in for the season. At this stage of the season, buying is at a premium, loaning is where the market is advantageous.
The January window may be where an astute purchase happens, or maybe there's one about to happen. As said, nowhere did DM say he wasn't looking at buying. Clubs know we have cash, and by stating the need to buy the price will be pushed up. Jeez, I hope none of the flappers here are after a second hand car!
We're also potentially looking at buying a centre back.
And the folks questioning the board pocketing money given all the evidence over recent years, and currently, need to f**k right off. Ooops I said it, f**k right off.
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Too much flapaboutery going on here :woot:
Getting a good loan striker is better than picking the scraps of what's available, or throwing money away by teasing a player from a club that he's already settled in for the season. At this stage of the season, buying is at a premium, loaning is where the market is advantageous.
The January window may be where an astute purchase happens, or maybe there's one about to happen. As said, nowhere did DM say he wasn't looking at buying. Clubs know we have cash, and by stating the need to buy the price will be pushed up. Jeez, I hope none of the flappers here are after a second hand car!
We're also potentially looking at buying a centre back.
And the folks questioning the board pocketing money given all the evidence over recent years, and currently, need to f**k right off. Ooops I said it, f**k right off.
Let’s borrow everybody’s striker and see who the best players OR we could pay a modest fee for our own .
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Fact is we shouldn’t have let marquis go if we didn’t have someone lined up and ready to sign.
How anyone can argue against this being very poor planning is beyond me
How come everyone is now saying what I was implying a week ago but got dogs abuse for.
When you say we shouldn’t of let Marquis go, are you actually proposing that we should have kept him against his wishes?
Not quite kidnapping, but being kept captive and being made to play I assume?
and how do you think that would have panned out?
Do you think he would have put his all into chasing and harrying defences, putting in potential career changing tackles, bearing in mind he wants the big pay day....are you thinking the rest of the players would rally to him and support him, knowing he was jumping ship once we got his replacement in...
I don’t get what you think a disgruntled player can offer to a club once he’s made his mind up to leave!!
Please enlighten me with a reasonable response steeped in facts not fantasy...
What’s the point in contracts then if every player who wants to leave should just be let go. “Being held captive and being made to play” are you being serious... you mean actually doing his job... you do write some absolute rubbish
So Marquis has a wife who is desperate to move south towards her family with new babe on the way. Are you unable to understand the consequences refusing that move?
The contract he had allows us to sell him. No contract would mean he walks away free. Again, a bit of a no brainer.
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The trouble is..there's a lot of...
whatabouterry
whatifferry
maybeiffery
..going on the forum. Not one person has provided a convincing counter argument why signing another loan striker is a better approach than spending (the supposed) money we have on a young, long-term prospect striker, that's our own and has a long term potential resale value.
Ok I’ll have a go...
The loan for a striker is like a stop gap, ....get a good one in and you can scrape some results whilst taking your time to really do some homework on strikers you actually want....not perfect, but an ideal solution to a problem ..... yes the loans will leave in 6-12 months but in that time the new manager has set up his off field team, and the right players are being targeted , maybe even tapped up ...who knows...
A loan striker makes sense under our circumstances, ..it’s not about the money at this point, it’s about keeping within shouting distance of the pack, without hastily committing to a striker that may not work out
We should not be buying stop gaps. How long does it take to identify a striker. If DM and his staff are struggling to identify a striker rather than relying on “stop gaps” then maybe we need to bring someone in to take charge of the recruitment side of things so DM can concentrate on coaching the side. To be going into week 3 of the season without a single striker in your first team squad isn’t good enough imo. We have played 2 bang average sides and only got 2 points. The next 2 games will be a great deal tougher
Loaning a striker is the term,
don’t relegate it to a throwaway phrase...
I’ll say it again...” a loan striker that is a good addition to the squad, and fits the bill perfectly “ like a stop gap ( now ya can use it)
Until Darren has got is intended striker.....
There is nothing wrong with this at all....it’s not perfect, it’ll do...
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Too much flapaboutery going on here :woot:
Getting a good loan striker is better than picking the scraps of what's available, or throwing money away by teasing a player from a club that he's already settled in for the season. At this stage of the season, buying is at a premium, loaning is where the market is advantageous.
The January window may be where an astute purchase happens, or maybe there's one about to happen. As said, nowhere did DM say he wasn't looking at buying. Clubs know we have cash, and by stating the need to buy the price will be pushed up. Jeez, I hope none of the flappers here are after a second hand car!
We're also potentially looking at buying a centre back.
And the folks questioning the board pocketing money given all the evidence over recent years, and currently, need to f**k right off. Ooops I said it, f**k right off.
Let’s borrow everybody’s striker and see who the best players OR we could pay a modest fee for our own .
Why?
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Because !
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Getting a good loan striker is better than[ ..] throwing money away by teasing a player from a club that he's already settled in for the season.
err, why?
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Fact is we shouldn’t have let marquis go if we didn’t have someone lined up and ready to sign.
How anyone can argue against this being very poor planning is beyond me
How come everyone is now saying what I was implying a week ago but got dogs abuse for.
When you say we shouldn’t of let Marquis go, are you actually proposing that we should have kept him against his wishes?
Not quite kidnapping, but being kept captive and being made to play I assume?
and how do you think that would have panned out?
Do you think he would have put his all into chasing and harrying defences, putting in potential career changing tackles, bearing in mind he wants the big pay day....are you thinking the rest of the players would rally to him and support him, knowing he was jumping ship once we got his replacement in...
I don’t get what you think a disgruntled player can offer to a club once he’s made his mind up to leave!!
Please enlighten me with a reasonable response steeped in facts not fantasy...
What’s the point in contracts then if every player who wants to leave should just be let go. “Being held captive and being made to play” are you being serious... you mean actually doing his job... you do write some absolute rubbish
You started your response with a question...that isn’t a good way to get an intelligent response is it ? ( see what I did there)
You have extracted lines out of their true context to pick on, thats poor showing....
Your question “ what’s the point of contracts then”
I won’t even begin to answer something I know nothing about...
I just know you can’t get the BEST out of an asset if it doesn’t want to be here......... can you?
You do answer absolutely rubbish
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Might be worth us becoming someone's feeder club as we only bother with loans
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Might be worth us becoming someone's feeder club as we only bother with loans
Now that is a great suggestion....a guy I work with from Derby says that Burton are their feeder club, ... might be some mileage in this....
Developing young players from the likes of Leeds and Sheffield Utd ...
Nahhh, nothing from either of them clubs would think of coming here
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Might be worth us becoming someone's feeder club as we only bother with loans
Which two full backs did we just loan? Which currently injured but experienced CB did we loan.?
Which quality winger did we just loan last week.?
Yes we have taken loanees and maybe one more, but to say we only do loans is plainly wrong..
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Getting a good loan striker is better than[ ..] throwing money away by teasing a player from a club that he's already settled in for the season.
err, why?
because you may end up with a capable addition to the squad who will suffice in the short term rather than pissing money away on a (by definition) hastily-made decision that may backfire with no recourse to a painless resolution
that's why...
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People worrying about another loan why maybe we are getting a player in who we can then buy in January but the terms are taking some time.
I expect we will have someone in by Friday, maybe even Monday ready to play in the cup
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Getting a good loan striker is better than[ ..] throwing money away by teasing a player from a club that he's already settled in for the season.
err, why?
because you may end up with a capable addition to the squad who will suffice in the short term rather than pissing money away on a (by definition) hastily-made decision that may backfire with no recourse to a painless resolution
that's why...
That's not why at all. Just reverse what you said and apply it for the loanee.
edit: and why would it have to be a hastily made decision (by definition)? The transfer window closes in september.
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Two points both scored by a sub with 40 minutes play time in both games
(means the sub only played 20 minutes,70 minutes of the same rubbish as the first match )
What does this actually mean?( we have nothing else to improve the team with)
Does that say something (either poor wages or the lenght of cont
Alfie May men of match both games,
What does this actually mean??? (if thats the best we can do we need help anyboby can looks good in a poor team)
I’m sure you have a point to make, and it all made sense has it sluiced through your head, however it appears to have got lost once it left there.... sarcasm is the lowest form of wit
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Getting a good loan striker is better than[ ..] throwing money away by teasing a player from a club that he's already settled in for the season.
err, why?
because you may end up with a capable addition to the squad who will suffice in the short term rather than pissing money away on a (by definition) hastily-made decision that may backfire with no recourse to a painless resolution
that's why...
That's not why at all. Just reverse what you said and apply it for the loanee.
edit: and why would it have to be a hastily made decision (by definition)? The transfer window closes in september.
Three weeks away.. not exactly hasty if we are already negotiating..
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Two points both scored by a sub with 40 minutes play time in both games
(means the sub only played 20 minutes,70 minutes of the same rubbish as the first match )
What does this actually mean?( we have nothing else to improve the team with)
Does that say something (either poor wages or the lenght of cont
Alfie May men of match both games,
What does this actually mean??? (if thats the best we can do we need help anyboby can looks good in a poor team)
I’m sure you have a point to make, and it all made sense has it sluiced through your head, however it appears to have got lost once it left there.... sarcasm is the lowest form of wit
Who's this sub who scored the goals?
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Getting a good loan striker is better than[ ..] throwing money away by teasing a player from a club that he's already settled in for the season.
err, why?
because you may end up with a capable addition to the squad who will suffice in the short term rather than pissing money away on a (by definition) hastily-made decision that may backfire with no recourse to a painless resolution
that's why...
That's not why at all. Just reverse what you said and apply it for the loanee.
edit: and why would it have to be a hastily made decision (by definition)? The transfer window closes in september.
without wishing to appear overly rude - what the f**k are you on about ?
and you think three weeks is long enough to evaluate a purchase - properly - which involves committing a significant proportion of the club's available funds, thereby rendering it permanently unavailable for any subsequent deals - that's called a knee-jerk reaction and is the sort of thing that can set a club back years in it's development
the current manager barely knows the balance, skill set, strengths and weaknesses of his own squad yet, let alone expecting him to pluck someone from another team who's going to be a near instant fit and fix; i realise this doesn't mesh with the new imperative which is immediate, superficial gratification regardless of the cost and long-term implications - but it's how sensible businesses progress; if that attitude alienates some tiny-minded adherents to the cause on the way, that's not the sort of collateral damage that anyone should be remotely bothered about...
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3 weeks??
By the time the window closes Moore will have been in charge around 8 weeks.
And he’s not daft he will have known the players he’d like to sign before he even took over
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HH.
Yeah, don't result to being rude, that's beneath you.
Marquis left on 31st July. The transfer window closes on the 2nd September. If you're telling me that's not enough time to sign one striker, then there's no point having this conversation.
In terms of your last paragraph, I also really despair at everything you wrote. If Moore can't look at the squad and assess we need a striker (he has, by the way, contravening what you write) then there's no hope for this club. When Gavin Baldwin said Moore came with a 'little black book', I presume he meant Moore came with an already existing sound knowledge of players, targets, and prospects. He was not starting from zero.
Now, things happen in negotiations and football in general, but to say we can't sign a striker in that time is silly.
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Folk really need to calm down. We are unbeaten this season and have scored in every game. The manager has said we are bringing in a striker. There is money in the bank. Why all the pant wetting it is really hard to fathom.
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Ha unbeaten
If the remaining 44 games finished 1-1 we would be relegated my friend
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Yep - although with significantly more points than your man Ferguson if current form continues, as you suggest.
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I wonder when your obsession with Ferguson will end
It will Be a great day
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Please not this again lads.
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Lads?
It’s not me that constantly squeezes him in as much as humanly possible
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Please not this again lads.
I find it great entertainment tbh.
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Two games in Two points both scored by a sub with 40minutes play time in both games
does that say something
Alfie May men of match both games we need Help
Two points both scored by a sub with 40 minutes play time in both games
What does this actually mean?
Does that say something
What does this actually mean?
Alfie May men of match both games, we need help!
What does this actually mean???
I’m sure you have a point to make, and it all made sense has it sluiced through your head, however it appears to have got lost once it left there....
For the uninitiated Sadlier started both games
Is he a bot?
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We never know what could happen we could go out and sign another winger for all we know. The day before Dieng signed hoden and moore were implying that we could probably expect signings the week after. Then the day before taylor was announced again hoden and moore refused to give anything away. Guarantee there will be more than a striker coming in this week im expecting 3 to 4 more faces before the window closes. Utr
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Bedale
you are right got it all wrong thinking of Ennis my total post is in correct
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What a load of alarmist rubbish written on here by some.
1. Loan. No problem with this. Many of our succeful players stated on loan first. Maybe the striker/or the club in question don't want to commit to letting the player go at this time but may reassess that in January. If DM gets the player he wants, I don't care.
2. Marquis money. Who says we have to spend it all at once? See above and loans cost a fee. We have another transfer window to go at.
3. The article clearly says one striker immediately but wouldn't rule out additional signings.
What is there to be worried about?
If DM hasn't resolved this by 2 September and we haven't won a game, then have an inquest.
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I’m sure I read on another thread SM say something along the lines of
It's a new season, with a new budget, no savings from this season (which there aren't any) will be carried over.
Does this count for this season and any money available from the marquis transfer that isn’t spent won’t be carried over ?
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Bedale
you are right got it all wrong thinking of Ennis my total post is in correct
No probs. Had me confused for a bit!
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I’m sure I read on another thread SM say something along the lines of
It's a new season, with a new budget, no savings from this season (which there aren't any) will be carried over.
Does this count for this season and any money available from the marquis transfer that isn’t spent won’t be carried over ?
You don't understand how budgets work, do you.
I suppose being from a finance background I have an advantage in that sense, but every financial year you have a different budget, regardless of success or failure from the previous one. That's not to say that monies gained in previous financial years aren't included in what's set aside to be spent, but it is true that there is a different budget every season as with any business.
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I’m sure I read on another thread SM say something along the lines of
It's a new season, with a new budget, no savings from this season (which there aren't any) will be carried over.
Does this count for this season and any money available from the marquis transfer that isn’t spent won’t be carried over ?
You don't understand how budgets work, do you.
I suppose being from a finance background I have an advantage in that sense, but every financial year you have a different budget, regardless of success or failure from the previous one. That's not to say that monies gained in previous financial years aren't included in what's set aside to be spent, but it is true that there is a different budget every season as with any business.
Thanks RedJ... a true insight into how budgets work.
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I’m sure I read on another thread SM say something along the lines of
It's a new season, with a new budget, no savings from this season (which there aren't any) will be carried over.
Does this count for this season and any money available from the marquis transfer that isn’t spent won’t be carried over ?
You don't understand how budgets work, do you.
I suppose being from a finance background I have an advantage in that sense, but every financial year you have a different budget, regardless of success or failure from the previous one. That's not to say that monies gained in previous financial years aren't included in what's set aside to be spent, but it is true that there is a different budget every season as with any business.
Although I'm of the camp that believes stronger in continuing rolling forecasts as opposed to budgets, theres merits to all.....
Back on topic, I haven't read the whole thread but my take on it is that I'll be very disappointed if we bring in only a loanee. There should be some investment in some young talent. If that's alongside a loanee then fine. If it's a free then fine, but how can you build for the future without saleable assets, surely the club realise that and surely there is something out there. Yes it's a gamble in some ways but think long term not the next few months. It's ok planning a promotion push for this season but we have much more chance of actually surviving by taking the squad to that next level as SOD did so well.
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I’m sure I read on another thread SM say something along the lines of
It's a new season, with a new budget, no savings from this season (which there aren't any) will be carried over.
Does this count for this season and any money available from the marquis transfer that isn’t spent won’t be carried over ?
You don't understand how budgets work, do you.
I suppose being from a finance background I have an advantage in that sense, but every financial year you have a different budget, regardless of success or failure from the previous one. That's not to say that monies gained in previous financial years aren't included in what's set aside to be spent, but it is true that there is a different budget every season as with any business.
Although I'm of the camp that believes stronger in continuing rolling forecasts as opposed to budgets, theres merits to all.....
Normally I wouldn't disagree but I think football is the kind of industry where you can end up pissing money up a wall endlessly if you're not careful. However the board have shown if there can be a good case made for signing a player i.e. Whiteman that wasn't originally budgeted for funds will be made available.
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I’m sure I read on another thread SM say something along the lines of
It's a new season, with a new budget, no savings from this season (which there aren't any) will be carried over.
Does this count for this season and any money available from the marquis transfer that isn’t spent won’t be carried over ?
You don't understand how budgets work, do you.
I suppose being from a finance background I have an advantage in that sense, but every financial year you have a different budget, regardless of success or failure from the previous one. That's not to say that monies gained in previous financial years aren't included in what's set aside to be spent, but it is true that there is a different budget every season as with any business.
No I don’t understand how budgets work hence why i asked the question. Thank you for the detailed answer, I understand a bit better now. I wrongly presumed that if say the budget for last season was £2 million and we only spent £1.5 million then 500k was carried over to this.
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you are right got it all wrong thinking of Ennis my total post is in correct
Easy done
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In 2008-9 We was bottom of the league after 24 games,we went 12 games without a win,losing 10 drawing 2,the 10th game of that run,we played Dingles at home,someone I know bumped into one of our ex-players at that game,and struck up a conversation with him,they discussed how we was struggling and looking like we might go straight back down,but the player disagreed and said something along the lines of,we are a decent side,playing good football and just not getting the rub of the green,he said,stick with it and we will be alright,don't get downhearted we are good enough to stay up.He was right was'nt he.Guess who that player was?Darren Moore,If he had faith in us like that,then we should have faith in him and atleast give him 100% support and a fair lengthy period to achieve what he wants to do before passing judgement.
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I’m sure I read on another thread SM say something along the lines of
It's a new season, with a new budget, no savings from this season (which there aren't any) will be carried over.
Does this count for this season and any money available from the marquis transfer that isn’t spent won’t be carried over ?
You don't understand how budgets work, do you.
I suppose being from a finance background I have an advantage in that sense, but every financial year you have a different budget, regardless of success or failure from the previous one. That's not to say that monies gained in previous financial years aren't included in what's set aside to be spent, but it is true that there is a different budget every season as with any business.
Thanks RedJ... a true insight into how budgets work.
Thank goodness for his financial background.
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I’m sure I read on another thread SM say something along the lines of
It's a new season, with a new budget, no savings from this season (which there aren't any) will be carried over.
Does this count for this season and any money available from the marquis transfer that isn’t spent won’t be carried over ?
You don't understand how budgets work, do you.
I suppose being from a finance background I have an advantage in that sense, but every financial year you have a different budget, regardless of success or failure from the previous one. That's not to say that monies gained in previous financial years aren't included in what's set aside to be spent, but it is true that there is a different budget every season as with any business.
Thanks RedJ... a true insight into how budgets work.
Thank goodness for his financial background.
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Just thought I'd say WHY I know something rather than be a smart arse know-nothing know-it-all like some people on here, that alright wi you?
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I'm done with the absolute f**kin' bell ends on this forum.
Get in!!
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Are there any points on this thread that worthwhile or valid or just moaning for the sake of it.
Reading between the lines, we haven't got who we went for............. Whoever that was. Be it 1or 2 players. Now the prem n champ market has closed there is not much quality left out there, nor clubs wanting to let players go now.
Next best bit is a loan to cover the gap and give some strength in depth until no longer than Jan hopefully
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All i would suggest is read the DFP article and judge for yourself..
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Whats funny esdailles left foot?
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If there's two lessons I've learned in my happy and rewarding life is, never attempt to reason with a sulky teenager, nor a mentally challenged adult.
You dealing with folk who claim Rochdale are a 'bang average side'. That would be the same Rochdale sitting on top of the form table with 4 wins and one defeat in their last 6 games, I guess.
Simplistic people who make unreasonable demands and waste energy trying to change the past rather than the future.
School holidays, eh? Pfffttt...!
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You genuinely believe we will bring in 3-4 players. We'll be lucky to bring in 3 - 4 more fans
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One less would be a start..
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If there's two lessons I've learned in my happy and rewarding life is, never attempt to reason with a sulky teenager, nor a mentally challenged adult.
You dealing with folk who claim Rochdale are a 'bang average side'. That would be the same Rochdale sitting on top of the form table with 4 wins and one defeat in their last 6 games, I guess.
Simplistic people who make unreasonable demands and waste energy trying to change the past rather than the future.
School holidays, eh? Pfffttt...!
Surely you aren’t quoting a form table that stretches across 5 months and 2 differing seasons?
Rochdale are an average side, each year they’re battling away amongst the bottom 6 sides.
That’s not to say Saturday wasn’t a good result because it was in the circumstances.
But we absolutely destroyed them earlier this year and I fully expect them to finish around the bottom 3rd of the table again
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So, we should be taking these sides apart then should we? Top teams sometimes struggle to beat these average sides by the odd goal, we all know that. Look at some of our results last season with what some say was a far stronger team.
Sunderland made a habit of drawing against some bang average teams last season.
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There must be some decent incomings otherwise Whiteman would have headed M62 east
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“Mystery Striker” it’s a Mystery team with 10 new faces . We are all carping about a striker yet the management has filled virtually every position apart from . So who ever takes the No: 9 shirt who makes way upfront for him.
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If we want to trouble the top six we should be getting at least 4 points from these types of fixtures. Right now, given the shit show of a close season we’ve experienced, two draws is ok, but there’s no doubt we need to up our game to fulfill the board’s ambitions of promotion.
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Really pleased with our #7 upfront at the moment. 2 games 2 goals (2 cracking goals). Alfie has been superb in a new position and may well be our new Wilkes albiet less goals but more consistent effort.
I'm enjoying watching the Rovers again.
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If we want to trouble the top six we should be getting at least 4 points from these types of fixtures...
Call me ambitionless, but I'd be happy with 3 points a game.
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Really pleased with our #7 upfront at the moment. 2 games 2 goals (2 cracking goals). Alfie has been superb in a new position and may well be our new Wilkes albiet less goals but more consistent effort.
I'm enjoying watching the Rovers again.
you didn’t enjoy watching us last season?!
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If we want to trouble the top six we should be getting at least 4 points from these types of fixtures...
Call me ambitionless, but I'd be happy with 3 points a game.
4 points from the pair of games.
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I don't like to sound negative but it sounds very underwhelming doesn't it... So we get lots of the higher earners off the books, sell our top goalscorer and only out and out striker and potentially replace him with ONE striker on loan.
It wouldn't be so bad if we weren't given the false hope with the two bids supposedly being accepted last week.
Taylor is a good signing and I was pleased with it but I really expected at least one striker to be singed and some of the JM money being spent. I don't think that's unreasonable.
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Maybe still waiting for the cheque to clear from Portsmouth? Or like an aggrieved victim of parking fine, they have paid the £2million in penny pieces and Baldwin is still at NatWest counting them out?
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I don't like to sound negative but it sounds very underwhelming doesn't it... So we get lots of the higher earners off the books, sell our top goalscorer and only out and out striker and potentially replace him with ONE striker on loan.
It wouldn't be so bad if we weren't given the false hope with the two bids supposedly being accepted last week.
Taylor is a good signing and I was pleased with it but I really expected at least one striker to be singed and some of the JM money being spent. I don't think that's unreasonable.
Read the DFP article again. Nowhere does it suggest that this potential loanee will be the last signing..
Of course, everyone can be concerned until signings become visible. Taylor came in unawares to fans until an hour or so before being unveiled. Why not others yet to come.?
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Maybe the right replacement is not available to buy just now so we loan someone who can score goals TIL jan or even end of season and invest the cash then
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Maybe the right replacement is not available to buy just now so we loan someone who can score goals TIL jan or even end of season and invest the cash then
We had two bids accepted to buy strikers, but we could not agree terms.
There seems to be a pattern emerging, as the majority of players were offer contracts to, turn them down,
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So 1 point a game against teams that are forecast to be mid-table at the end of the season is good for a team claiming to want promotion? By my reckoning 46 points is relegation material. I suspect Fleetwood will be too good for this side and we will slip further behind. So let's ignore the facts and pretend all is well until the end of the season.
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I was initially worried about the concept of getting a striker in on loan.
But having sifted through this thread, and ignored the panic, I've changed my mind.
Some of our better players, during our keepmoat days have been loan players, many going on to sign for us on a permanent basis further down the line.
If this is what DM sees as the best way forward, until we either sign the loanee or get our main man, then so be it.
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Maybe the right replacement is not available to buy just now so we loan someone who can score goals TIL jan or even end of season and invest the cash then
We had two bids accepted to buy strikers, but we could not agree terms.
There seems to be a pattern emerging, as the majority of players were offer contracts to, turn them down,
Must be some conspiracy eh.?
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Maybe the right replacement is not available to buy just now so we loan someone who can score goals TIL jan or even end of season and invest the cash then
We had two bids accepted to buy strikers, but we could not agree terms.
There seems to be a pattern emerging, as the majority of players were offer contracts to, turn them down,
Must be some conspiracy eh.?
No, we just aren't offering enough, or the terms aren't acceptable to the players.
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How would we view signing someone like Leon Clarke on a season loan because he's on big wages and that way we contribute what we afford. Yes short term but he'd likely have no sell on value any way and is proven quality at this level.
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So 1 point a game against teams that are forecast to be mid-table at the end of the season is good for a team claiming to want promotion? By my reckoning 46 points is relegation material. I suspect Fleetwood will be too good for this side and we will slip further behind. So let's ignore the facts and pretend all is well until the end of the season.
First few games are far too early to judge the whole season. As for predicting individual clubs’ performances, look at Shrewsbury a couple of seasons ago..?
Do you honestly think the squad now is finalised for the season.?
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So 1 point a game against teams that are forecast to be mid-table at the end of the season is good for a team claiming to want promotion? By my reckoning 46 points is relegation material. I suspect Fleetwood will be too good for this side and we will slip further behind. So let's ignore the facts and pretend all is well until the end of the season.
First few games are far too early to judge the whole season. As for predicting individual clubs’ performances, look at Shrewsbury a couple of seasons ago..?
Do you honestly think the squad now is finalised for the season.?
Promises and patience is what we keep hearing, and no I don't suppose the squad is finalised. But as things stand we are losing points and that's a fact even you can't ignore whilst you try to put a positive spin on things. Some us just see things for what they are right now rather than what things might be with a miracle behind us.
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A miracle.?
Perhaps you should reserve your judgements until the window is closed.
Yes it would be better to have a striker or two in by now, and maybe that would have got us more points already.
If you believe the report yesterday, loanee or not, a striker should be signing imminently.
If that player is of the same calibre or better than Taylor for example, is that a bad thing.?
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Jesus but there's some lack of perspective here.
Luton had 11 points from their first 10 matches last season.
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So 1 point a game against teams that are forecast to be mid-table at the end of the season is good for a team claiming to want promotion? By my reckoning 46 points is relegation material. I suspect Fleetwood will be too good for this side and we will slip further behind. So let's ignore the facts and pretend all is well until the end of the season.
Wtf is this shit.
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After 6 games in the Championship last season Rotherham and Bolton were above Norwich. Anyone thinking our form or anyone elses after two games means anything then they need their heads checking.
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A miracle.?
Perhaps you should reserve your judgements until the window is closed.
Yes it would be better to have a striker or two in by now, and maybe that would have got us more points already.
If you believe the report yesterday, loanee or not, a striker should be signing imminently.
If that player is of the same calibre or better than Taylor for example, is that a bad thing.?
If the window closes today and we went with what we’ve got would your thoughts be
Genuine question
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Maybe still waiting for the cheque to clear from Portsmouth? Or like an aggrieved victim of parking fine, they have paid the £2million in penny pieces and Baldwin is still at NatWest counting them out?
i told you the real reason ages ago... they forgot they aren't legal tender . They do live in Disney Dreamland down there. :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
Because rumour has it Portsmouth found a hoard of unused old Kings shillings from the press-gang days and used them to pay the £2 million pounds to Rovers and the Bank is still counting them. :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
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A miracle.?
Perhaps you should reserve your judgements until the window is closed.
Yes it would be better to have a striker or two in by now, and maybe that would have got us more points already.
If you believe the report yesterday, loanee or not, a striker should be signing imminently.
If that player is of the same calibre or better than Taylor for example, is that a bad thing.?
If the window closes today and we went with what we’ve got would your thoughts be
Genuine question
I would conclude we were a couple of players short, at least, and especially a striker.
However had the window closed today I reckon we would have signed someone, but perhaps not the player(s) who the manager ideally prefers.
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Fact is we shouldn’t have let marquis go if we didn’t have someone lined up and ready to sign.
How anyone can argue against this being very poor planning is beyond me
How do you propose that we keep him?
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Taylor is a good signing and I was pleased with it but I really expected at least one striker to be singed and some of the JM money being spent. I don't think that's unreasonable.
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That's "Playing with fire".
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Fact is we shouldn’t have let marquis go if we didn’t have someone lined up and ready to sign.
How anyone can argue against this being very poor planning is beyond me
How do you propose that we keep him?
should have sent him a "french letter" months ago women always get their way to be near Mummy
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Maybe the right replacement is not available to buy just now so we loan someone who can score goals TIL jan or even end of season and invest the cash then
We had two bids accepted to buy strikers, but we could not agree terms.
There seems to be a pattern emerging, as the majority of players were offer contracts to, turn them down,
Maybe its greedy players thinking they are worth more than they actually are.
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Maybe the right replacement is not available to buy just now so we loan someone who can score goals TIL jan or even end of season and invest the cash then
We had two bids accepted to buy strikers, but we could not agree terms.
There seems to be a pattern emerging, as the majority of players were offer contracts to, turn them down,
Maybe its greedy players thinking they are worth more than they actually are.
Or maybe we aren't paying what the market dictates they are worth
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There were inconsistency in regards to if the offers for the players were accepted or not. Still can't work out if we are still trying to agree a fee with the clubs or terms with players.
The way DM made it out was clubs don't want to let players go, might be they won't let them come to us until they have a replacement lined up which can cause delays etc.
It would be nice to have someone in place for Saturday, Grimsby game I am expecting Ennis to lead the line.
Obviously when we have money there, loans is the last thing we want to hear, but if it is someone like a Clarke (or a young striker, after checking Clarke is probably the only older striker that it could be) where we loan them until January with an option to buy and then get another striker in as well who we have made an offer for.
We will probably bring in another midfielder and defender permanently as well because I don't think we will loan any more players if the striker comes in.
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I don't like to sound negative but it sounds very underwhelming doesn't it... So we get lots of the higher earners off the books, sell our top goalscorer and only out and out striker and potentially replace him with ONE striker on loan.
It wouldn't be so bad if we weren't given the false hope with the two bids supposedly being accepted last week.
Taylor is a good signing and I was pleased with it but I really expected at least one striker to be singed and some of the JM money being spent. I don't think that's unreasonable.
Singed..... shop soiled products being brought in? :)
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I tell you what - all these so called targets can sling their hooks as far as I'm concerned. They are all obviously more concerned with the pay packet than playing for Rovers.
I want somebody who wants to bust a gut to play for us, not someone who thinks he's doing us a favour, or someone who has signed for us as a last resort.
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I tell you what - all these so called targets can sling their hooks as far as I'm concerned. They are all obviously more concerned with the pay packet than playing for Rovers.
I want somebody who wants to bust a gut to play for us, not someone who thinks he's doing us a favour, or someone who has signed for us as a last resort.
So players should play for what we offer, regardless of whether it is a good offer or not?
I can see you've never negotiated a deal before.
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I tell you what - all these so called targets can sling their hooks as far as I'm concerned. They are all obviously more concerned with the pay packet than playing for Rovers.
I want somebody who wants to bust a gut to play for us, not someone who thinks he's doing us a favour, or someone who has signed for us as a last resort.
So players should play for what we offer, regardless of whether it is a good offer or not?
I can see you've never negotiated a deal before.
a bit of negotiation is one thing, but being strung along for a couple of weeks is something else.
and you're correct, I've never negotiated a deal to sign a professional footie player before.
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I tell you what - all these so called targets can sling their hooks as far as I'm concerned. They are all obviously more concerned with the pay packet than playing for Rovers.
I want somebody who wants to bust a gut to play for us, not someone who thinks he's doing us a favour, or someone who has signed for us as a last resort.
So players should play for what we offer, regardless of whether it is a good offer or not?
I can see you've never negotiated a deal before.
a bit of negotiation is one thing, but being strung along for a couple of weeks is something else.
and you're correct, I've never negotiated a deal to sign a professional footie player before.
Again, you're presuming that's the case. Maybe we aren't opffering a good deal.
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I tell you what - all these so called targets can sling their hooks as far as I'm concerned. They are all obviously more concerned with the pay packet than playing for Rovers.
I want somebody who wants to bust a gut to play for us, not someone who thinks he's doing us a favour, or someone who has signed for us as a last resort.
So players should play for what we offer, regardless of whether it is a good offer or not?
I can see you've never negotiated a deal before.
a bit of negotiation is one thing, but being strung along for a couple of weeks is something else.
and you're correct, I've never negotiated a deal to sign a professional footie player before.
Again, you're presuming that's the case. Maybe we aren't opffering a good deal.
Maybe we are....
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The lack of patience is astounding.
No one saw the Taylor signing coming last week did they.
DM is not going to let any cats out of the bag. Wait for the deals to be done ok. Let’s get the right people not any old people.
Crikey what’s a matter with everyone.
You would think the world had caved in. :facepalm:
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I’m with you Campsall.. fed up to the back teeth of seeing “if, but and maybe” being thrown into conversations. I’m not “in the know”.. I know nothing of the clubs budget or budgets in general.. I don’t know the complexities of players contracts . What I do know is there are a lot better people than myself and thousands of others , at the club I follow .. they are there to do their jobs and not to listen to or take advice from the knockers on here who think they know best. I’m a fan.. that’s all.. my head won’t explode if I don’t get to know something until it’s announced. It is what it is ..
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Oh god I hope nobody is looking at Liam Holden on Twitter this afternoon.
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Why’s that.?
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No progress on any signings apparently.
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Almost had a heart attack then... searched for his Twitter and the top result is a tweet saying we'd signed Dany N'Guessan...it was from 2015. Phew. :laugh:
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No progress on any signings apparently.
All we need do is throw in a free doormat and top up the coal bunker on the house they rent, job done.
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Callum O’Hare from Villa is looking like being the man!
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No progress on any signings apparently.
All we need do is throw in a free doormat and top up the coal bunker on the house they rent, job done.
This is how you get a deal over the line. Bet we don't have a comedy gavel! Bloody shite Bramhall. https://twitter.com/sid_lambert/status/1034522898340425728?lang=en
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Wiki: Callum Luke O'Hare (born 1 May 1998) is an English professional footballer who plays as an attacking midfielder for Premier League club Aston Villa.
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Matty Taylor closing in on a move to Oxford!
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Fact is we shouldn’t have let marquis go if we didn’t have someone lined up and ready to sign.
How anyone can argue against this being very poor planning is beyond me
How do you propose that we keep him?
We could’ve rejected to bid couldn’t we?
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Let's face it, we aren't going to be signing a striker permanently, are we?
We've fed a load of bull about two strikers, buds accepted and the Marquis money being available.
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Let's face it, we aren't going to be signing a striker permanently, are we?
We've fed a load of bull about two strikers, buds accepted and the Marquis money being available.
You're making up stories to fit your wannabe narative. Why?
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Let's face it, we aren't going to be signing a striker permanently, are we?
We've fed a load of bull about two strikers, buds accepted and the Marquis money being available.
You're making up stories to fit your wannabe narative. Why?
What stories?
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Let's face it, we aren't going to be signing a striker permanently, are we?
We've fed a load of bull about two strikers, buds accepted and the Marquis money being available.
If we try and sign players but are unsuccessful for whatever reason, why does that mean we have been fed a lot of bull.??
Sometimes things just don’t work out..
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Let's face it, we aren't going to be signing a striker permanently, are we?
We've fed a load of bull about two strikers, buds accepted and the Marquis money being available.
You're making up stories to fit your wannabe narative. Why?
What stories?
Spoon feeding time. "We aren't going to be signing a striker...", "We've been fed bull about two strikers...", etc , what you said pretty much, that's why I said it.
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Let's face it, we aren't going to be signing a striker permanently, are we?
We've fed a load of bull about two strikers, buds accepted and the Marquis money being available.
You're making up stories to fit your wannabe narative. Why?
What stories?
Spoon feeding time. "We aren't going to be signing a striker...", "We've been fed bull about two strikers...", etc , what you said pretty much, that's why I said it.
Or is it an opinion? Clearly not bright enough to diferenciate opinion from fact.
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Let's face it, we aren't going to be signing a striker permanently, are we?
We've fed a load of bull about two strikers, buds accepted and the Marquis money being available.
You're making up stories to fit your wannabe narative. Why?
What stories?
Spoon feeding time. "We aren't going to be signing a striker...", "We've been fed bull about two strikers...", etc , what you said pretty much, that's why I said it.
Or is it an opinion? Clearly not bright enough to diferenciate opinion from fact.
If it's an opinion then perhaps start it with IMO - rather simple
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A miracle.?
Perhaps you should reserve your judgements until the window is closed.
Yes it would be better to have a striker or two in by now, and maybe that would have got us more points already.
If you believe the report yesterday, loanee or not, a striker should be signing imminently.
If that player is of the same calibre or better than Taylor for example, is that a bad thing.?
If the window closes today and we went with what we’ve got would your thoughts be
Genuine question
If the window closed today, looking at the Rovers squad I would think "we're a couple of weeks worth of negotiations from a decent team!"
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Let's face it, we aren't going to be signing a striker permanently, are we?
We've fed a load of bull about two strikers, buds accepted and the Marquis money being available.
If we try and sign players but are unsuccessful for whatever reason, why does that mean we have been fed a lot of bull.??
Sometimes things just don’t work out..
For what ever reason !!
Only one reason and you can't bring yourself to say it.
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Say what.?
I’m not party to the transfer negotiations, and neither are the posters on here who jump to all kinds of conclusions.
I can bring myself to say whatever I need to say, when I have good reason..
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Moore's confirmed that Ward isn't signing. Couldn't reach an agreement, interest over. Although I think we all probably knew that anyway!
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Let's face it, we aren't going to be signing a striker permanently, are we?
We've fed a load of bull about two strikers, buds accepted and the Marquis money being available.
If we try and sign players but are unsuccessful for whatever reason, why does that mean we have been fed a lot of bull.??
Sometimes things just don’t work out..
For what ever reason !!
Only one reason and you can't bring yourself to say it.
What, they don't like Doncaster??