Brexit Negotiations

[selby]

  Stand by Sporty, the air is about to go blue, I hope you realise what you have done.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I hope he knows what he’s done too cos I haven’t got a Scooby.

[Sprotyrover]

 :headbang:simple it didnt cost the tax payer a mere £4 billion, it cost us £20 Billion and that's a little taster of what's waiting round the corner if we stay!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Well. WE might all be on a path to a poorer future but it’s good to know that some folk made a mint out of the Brexit vote.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-06-25/brexit-big-short-how-pollsters-helped-hedge-funds-beat-the-crash

If you can’t be bothered to read it, I’ll summarise it.

Hedge funds had massive polling done in the run up to and on the day of the vote. That led them to expect Leave to win.

Then at 10pm on the night of the vote, official exit polls said that Remain had won.

In fact, both sets of polls had the result within the margin of error. 

The interesting thing for the Hedge funds was...if the idea could be pushed that Remain had won, that would boost the Pound. And if Leave then actually won, the Pound would collapse. So they could potentially make a hell of a lot of money by shorting the Pound. Like...millions. Many, MANY millions.

What the Hedge funds needed was some really sensational moment that would get the markets ignoring the closeness of the official exit poll and buying into Remain having won.

Enter Nigel Farage.

Shortly after the polls closed, he went in front of the cameras and accepted that Remain had won. He said this because of the official exit polls. Within minutes, the Pound had hit a high of $1.50.

Then the real results started coming in. It was clear that Leave had won. The Pound collapsed. As it would, because a Leave vote was disastrous for the economy.

But it wasn’t disastrous for those who shorted the Pound. They made phenomenal profits.

The End.

Oh no. Sorry. Not quite the end. Because, here’s a thing. When Farage went on TV to concede because of the exit polls, he had in his possession the other polls, saying Leave had won.

I’m sure that was just an oversight, and 17million people haven’t been duped into lining the pockets of Farage’s mates.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Sproty

I know you struggle with the real world when you take your eyes away from RT, so I’ll explain it simply.

The money you are talking about had nothing, zero, nada to do with our membership of the EU.

Got it?

[bpoolrover]

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/brexit-voters-are-not-thick-not-racist-just-poor/amp/.      Think that is quite a decent link on some people's way of thinking

[MachoMadness]

It ignores the obvious that Brexit was masterminded by the elites. Aaron Banks, Nigel Farage, Rupert Murdoch - what do you think their opinions of the working class are? Do you think any of them will feel the negative effects of Brexit? Poor bas**rds like me and you will, though.

[Glyn_Wigley]

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/brexit-voters-are-not-thick-not-racist-just-poor/amp/.      Think that is quite a decent link on some people's way of thinking

I wonder if he's changed his mind in the two years since he wrote it?

[Sprotyrover]

Sproty

I know you struggle with the real world when you take your eyes away from RT, so I’ll explain it simply.

The money you are talking about had nothing, zero, nada to do with our membership of the EU.

Got it?

That’s a bit of a condescending remark from you Billy and i’m a bit dismayed by your attitude,
I respect your views And I expect the same courtesy back.

[MachoMadness]

How about this for a slogan? It's easier to fit on a bus, I have to admit.
https://www.esquire.com/uk/latest-news/a21928762/king-of-diplomacy-boris-johnson-said-fk-business-in-response-to-brexit-fears/

[BillyStubbsTears]

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/brexit-voters-are-not-thick-not-racist-just-poor/amp/.      Think that is quite a decent link on some people's way of thinking

Bpool

I don’t question the fact that many people said “screw you” to the EU as that article says. Many, many people have quite rightly been pissed off with their living standards stagnating or reducing for years.

But the point is that stagnation has nothing to do with the EU. It’s more about decisions made by the Govt for years. I was predicting this sort of situation when we took the utterly mad decision to go for Austerity back in 2010.

Yes, people stuck it to the EU in that vote. But the effect of that WILL be to make those same people a lot poorer.

Meanwhile, you might want to have a look at that author’s track record and ask yourself why he is so strongly anti-EU. He was once upon a time, a member of the Revolutionary Communist Party. Which hated the EU for political reasons. What he’s done over the last generation is to remain as strident in his views, but to become a right-wing ideologue instead.

His opinions are not going to make the future of my kids and your kids any better. But he will be delighted that we’ve left the EU. Because it’s all about ideology, not practical consequences.

[wilts rover]

This is worth a read. Not strictly Brexit/EU but related to it via the consequences of austerity and the direction the country is going.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/28/world/europe/uk-austerity-poverty.html?fallback=0&recId=16XzdZug50wyYSyoFbWWfq7N76S&geoContinent=NA&geoRegion=NY&recAlloc=thompson_sampling&geoCountry=US&blockId=signature-journalism-vi&action=click&module=editorContent&pgtype=Article&region=CompanionColumn&contentCollection=Trending

[BillyStubbsTears]

Selby.

You’re right about the air going blue.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44618154

This egomaniac idiot saying “f**k business” and complaining about the opinions of “those who profess to represent business.” By which he means some of the leaders of the biggest companies in the country, who are telling the Govt that Brexit is going to hammer them and they’ll take their business out of the country.

Line up folks. Hands up.

Whose opinion do you trust? Simple choice. The heads of Airbus and BMW UK? Or Johnson, Fox and Rees-Mogg?

[turnbull for england]

 Harley Davidson make business decision and are accused of surrender? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-44604280

[BillyStubbsTears]

Astonishing. So far down the road, at a time when EVERY credible prediction says that we’re going to be a lot worse off due to Brexit, and fewer than 30% of the public realise this.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AndrewSparrow/status/1011625055116234753/photo/1

[wilts rover]

If you really want to worry yourself - 32% of the public think Brexit will be good for the NHS

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2018/06/23/eu-referendum-two-years/

[BillyStubbsTears]

C4 documentary “Inside the Embassy”. Fly on the wall documentary of meetings in the American Embassy in London.

This is economic advisers giving an update to the Ambassador so he’s well informed when he meets with British politicians.

https://mobile.twitter.com/davemacladd/status/1011636382786314240/video/1

Those of you who are wedded to Leave. Watch this. THIS is what the economic experts in the USA are telling their people.

[hoolahoop]

C4 documentary “Inside the Embassy”. Fly on the wall documentary of meetings in the American Embassy in London.

This is economic advisers giving an update to the Ambassador so he’s well informed when he meets with British politicians.

https://mobile.twitter.com/davemacladd/status/1011636382786314240/video/1

Those of you who are wedded to Leave. Watch this. THIS is what the economic experts in the USA are telling their people.

That's astounding when was this aired and if so why hasn't there been any sort of outcry ?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Further to that story about Farage, the polls, the pound collapsing and the hedge fund managers making a fortune.

Here’s how Farage responded to the pound’s collapse on the night of the vote.

https://mobile.twitter.com/mk1969/status/1012086482314711042

[MachoMadness]

Further to that story about Farage, the polls, the pound collapsing and the hedge fund managers making a fortune.

Here’s how Farage responded to the pound’s collapse on the night of the vote.

https://mobile.twitter.com/mk1969/status/1012086482314711042

Amazing. Literally smirking away as he takes money out of the pockets of every single Briton. Brexiters - why are you angry at the people who point this out for being "condescending", but you're happy to let this slide? This merchant banker who's grinning away as he takes money from you and your family.

[Glyn_Wigley]

C4 documentary “Inside the Embassy”. Fly on the wall documentary of meetings in the American Embassy in London.

This is economic advisers giving an update to the Ambassador so he’s well informed when he meets with British politicians.

https://mobile.twitter.com/davemacladd/status/1011636382786314240/video/1

Those of you who are wedded to Leave. Watch this. THIS is what the economic experts in the USA are telling their people.

That's astounding when was this aired and if so why hasn't there been any sort of outcry ?

Further than that, if that's the shit the Americans think we're in, who actually thinks we'll get a good trade deal out of them and who thinks they'll royally f**k us over while they can?

[BillyStubbsTears]

A word about that sliding pound.

The collapse in the value of the pound led DIRECTLY to a rapid increase in inflation (because things we import cost more). That meant that we had two years of inflation outstripping average wages (i.e. on average, people getting poorer).
 
And then of course there's the fact that our economic growth has collapsed since the vote, while the rest of the developed world has been going through a boom.


That's what Farage is celebrating there on Referendum night.

When will you realise? He doesn't give a flying f**k about the people who are going to take the economic hit on Brexit. He's a city spiv and he and his city spiv mates have won massively from the vote. With the help of everyone who voted Leave.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Project Fear.
https://amp.ft.com/content/8f46b0d4-77b6-11e8-8e67-1e1a0846c475?__twitter_impression=true

I’m sure it’s all nonsense. And anyway, Boris put the Government’s official position out there this week: “f**k business.”

[BillyStubbsTears]

This is a gem.

https://mobile.twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/1012217151711842305

One of the leading Brexiteers, a City of London billionaire telling other City high rollers (in particular insurance and finance companies) how they can take some of their business out of the UK to avoid the worst of Brexit.

[wilts rover]

I prefer John Redwood advising his clients to move their money out of the UK, Dominic Lawson applying for French citizenship and Rees-Mogg opening an office in Dublin for my unpatriotic Brexiteers letting the country down after Brexit. But isn't it nice we have the choice:

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/brexit-ashcroft-rees-mogg_uk_5b34e37be4b0b745f17bbbf8?nzf&utm_hp_ref=uk-homepage

[RedJ]

There's a "leaked" eyes only letter doing the rounds that they're going to actually offer a vote on the final deal after all since it's turned out to be a clusterf**k.

I don't think it's real but apparently the image of the letter has been checked for being electronically modified i.e. May's signature photoshopped onto it and it checks out. We'll see, I suppose. I don't think she'll climb down like that now as it would be the end of her.

[Glyn_Wigley]

There's a "leaked" eyes only letter doing the rounds that they're going to actually offer a vote on the final deal after all since it's turned out to be a clusterf**k.

I don't think it's real but apparently the image of the letter has been checked for being electronically modified i.e. May's signature photoshopped onto it and it checks out. We'll see, I suppose. I don't think she'll climb down like that now as it would be the end of her.

Offer who a vote, Parliament or the public?

[RedJ]

The public. I'm not convinced it's real though.

[Glyn_Wigley]

The public. I'm not convinced it's real though.

I'm not so sure. Those eyeing up knifing May in the back and take over don't want the stigmata of a shit Brexit on their hands. Now they'll have to vote for it in Parliameant their fingerprints will be on record as being all over it.

However, if there's a second vote they'll be off the hook. Either Brexit is voted against and the problem goes away completely or it's voted for and they're just carrying out the 'will of the people', "nuffink to do wiv me, mate".

[bpoolrover]

Selby.

You’re right about the air going blue.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44618154
BMW have said they won’t
This egomaniac idiot saying “f**k business” and complaining about the opinions of “those who profess to represent business.” By which he means some of the leaders of the biggest companies in the country, who are telling the Govt that Brexit is going to hammer them and they’ll take their business out of the country.

Line up folks. Hands up.

Whose opinion do you trust? Simple choice. The heads of Airbus and BMW UK? Or Johnson, Fox and Rees-Mogg?

bmw have said they will not pull out of the uk even in the event of a no deal, so nothing to see here bar scaremongering, you have seen the independent newspaper print in and take it as gospel