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Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 07, 2018, 04:59:05 pmI wasn’t meaning you Idler. Read it again. Sorry BST. I have read it again.
I wasn’t meaning you Idler. Read it again.
I live in one of the 2 lowest gdp areas in the uk(Cornwall and isle of Scilly) guess what? Its leave central here, again in spite of the funding going on via the eu!?Its this I cant grasp as in Yorkshire, Teesside ect!? What do they want because it certainly wasn't to decimate their own back yards ??!Answers on a postcard in 20yrs time when the dust has settled
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 07, 2018, 12:48:55 amQuote from: idler on July 06, 2018, 09:55:14 pmThe problem is that people voting for Brexit expected a grown up responsible negotiation about leaving not this circus.The result was immediately hijacked by idiots and hardliners putting words in people's mouths.You’re shitting me, right?You expected a grown up negotiation?When the people who brought you Brexit had said repeatedly during the campaign:1) There would be a £350m/week Brexit Bonus. 2) Turkey was about to join the EU and we’d be liable for 80m Turks landing on British shores if we didn’t leave. 3) There’d be no problem sorting out the Irish border problem. 4) The EU wouldn’t bargain hard against us because...well, because. 5) That the UK electorate was tired of listening to experts, and that experts who supported Remain were like 1930s German experts who supported Hitler. You HEARD them say these things repeatedly. You KNOW that they were bullshit and lies. You knew THEN that they were bullshit and lies. Why did you expect that the people who had bullshitted and lied to you would suddenly start negotiating like grown-ups?YOU voted us into this f**k up. You were being told at the time that the Brexit cheerleaders wouldn’t have a f**king clue what to do if they won. And still you voted for them. This is YOUR mess and the mess of everyone who ignored the grown ups two years ago. Don’t come complaining about it now. Do leave voters make you this angry in real life or just at your keyboard?
Quote from: idler on July 06, 2018, 09:55:14 pmThe problem is that people voting for Brexit expected a grown up responsible negotiation about leaving not this circus.The result was immediately hijacked by idiots and hardliners putting words in people's mouths.You’re shitting me, right?You expected a grown up negotiation?When the people who brought you Brexit had said repeatedly during the campaign:1) There would be a £350m/week Brexit Bonus. 2) Turkey was about to join the EU and we’d be liable for 80m Turks landing on British shores if we didn’t leave. 3) There’d be no problem sorting out the Irish border problem. 4) The EU wouldn’t bargain hard against us because...well, because. 5) That the UK electorate was tired of listening to experts, and that experts who supported Remain were like 1930s German experts who supported Hitler. You HEARD them say these things repeatedly. You KNOW that they were bullshit and lies. You knew THEN that they were bullshit and lies. Why did you expect that the people who had bullshitted and lied to you would suddenly start negotiating like grown-ups?YOU voted us into this f**k up. You were being told at the time that the Brexit cheerleaders wouldn’t have a f**king clue what to do if they won. And still you voted for them. This is YOUR mess and the mess of everyone who ignored the grown ups two years ago. Don’t come complaining about it now.
The problem is that people voting for Brexit expected a grown up responsible negotiation about leaving not this circus.The result was immediately hijacked by idiots and hardliners putting words in people's mouths.
The shit has hit the fan, David Davis has resigned. Interesting times ahead?
Why not have the people's vote. It at least stops the people saying 17 million voted for a certain kind of Brexit.
Quote from: idler on July 07, 2018, 09:18:47 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 07, 2018, 04:59:05 pmI wasn’t meaning you Idler. Read it again. Sorry BST. I have read it again.He is referring to Ian Dunt who wrote the article surely - thats how I read it Idler.
As for May, yes she believes in nothing, but every person’s pride has its limits. She has just pinned her colours to the mast of the Brexit deal she wanted. She now cannot get support to go forward with that deal. It would take a Herculean amount of ability to ignore embarrassment to go and try to begitiate a different deal. Knowing that, now dissent is out in the open, no possible deal that the Tory party will support would be accepted by the EU. Gone by Friday. If not tonight.
This was all eminently clear when she lost her majority and mandate at the last election. But shr trundled along regardless.