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That's a nice little story glyn
https://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/994973/food-prices-drop-post-brexit-empthy-supermarket-shelves-britain/amp
http://www1.secam.ex.ac.uk/famous-forecasting-quotes.dhtml
The point I was making Sydney is we’re not going to starve the minute we leave the eu, it’s scaremongering
Thing is Ldr. There was never any prospect of the negotiations being anything other than a monumental f**k up. To negotiate, you need a strong bottom line. The one that says “Give is something or we will walk away”. That’s what this bunch of f**king idiots is now trying to do with the No Deal threat. But the EU negotiators know that would be Britain cutting our own throat. So they are laughing at the threat. And that means there’s zero incentive on the EU to give an inch. Why on Earth should they? Would you? Would you say “Yeah go on. You e abused us and lied about us for years. Let’s give you a deal that gives you all the benefits and none of the problems!”So the EU says in fact. “Here’s the deal. You do what we say or...well or what? You e no alternative.”And the Right Wing of the Tory Party says “How dare they! We’re British! We’ll bloody well walk away.”Etc. Etc. Etc. Round and round the f**king hamster wheel.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 28, 2018, 10:52:29 pmThing is Ldr. There was never any prospect of the negotiations being anything other than a monumental f**k up. To negotiate, you need a strong bottom line. The one that says “Give is something or we will walk away”. That’s what this bunch of f**king idiots is now trying to do with the No Deal threat. But the EU negotiators know that would be Britain cutting our own throat. So they are laughing at the threat. And that means there’s zero incentive on the EU to give an inch. Why on Earth should they? Would you? Would you say “Yeah go on. You e abused us and lied about us for years. Let’s give you a deal that gives you all the benefits and none of the problems!”So the EU says in fact. “Here’s the deal. You do what we say or...well or what? You e no alternative.”And the Right Wing of the Tory Party says “How dare they! We’re British! We’ll bloody well walk away.”Etc. Etc. Etc. Round and round the f**king hamster wheel. And that is exactly what I said in my opening post of this thread
Quote from: Filo on July 30, 2018, 12:18:12 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 28, 2018, 10:52:29 pmThing is Ldr. There was never any prospect of the negotiations being anything other than a monumental f**k up. To negotiate, you need a strong bottom line. The one that says “Give is something or we will walk away”. That’s what this bunch of f**king idiots is now trying to do with the No Deal threat. But the EU negotiators know that would be Britain cutting our own throat. So they are laughing at the threat. And that means there’s zero incentive on the EU to give an inch. Why on Earth should they? Would you? Would you say “Yeah go on. You e abused us and lied about us for years. Let’s give you a deal that gives you all the benefits and none of the problems!”So the EU says in fact. “Here’s the deal. You do what we say or...well or what? You e no alternative.”And the Right Wing of the Tory Party says “How dare they! We’re British! We’ll bloody well walk away.”Etc. Etc. Etc. Round and round the f**king hamster wheel. And that is exactly what I said in my opening post of this threadYou did indeed Filo and how right you were . Sorry the site went down here but you also said that France owed us a debt going back many years and of course Germany still owed Greece a substantial amount of war reparations. However those 2 points you raised were never going to compensate the 27 or could they put their principal tenets at risk and risk losing the EU project over us .
Meanwhile. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/army-on-standby-for-no-deal-brexit-emergency-dz3359lrfhttps://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/dont-panic-well-deal-with-no-deal-bs7sk5vxgWhat was it Gove said? Oh aye. We hold all the cards in the Brexit negotiations. What was it Fox said? Oh aye. The negotiations will be the easiest ever. Still, bright side, eh? Many of the pensioner Brexit voters were pining for a Britain that they remembered from the past. Looks like they’ll get what the wanted. No deal Brexit means the shops will be empty, there’ll be rationing and you’ll die from what should be easily treatable I’ll esses because we’ll not have the medicine. Just like the 1940s.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 29, 2018, 02:56:38 pmMeanwhile. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/army-on-standby-for-no-deal-brexit-emergency-dz3359lrfhttps://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/dont-panic-well-deal-with-no-deal-bs7sk5vxgWhat was it Gove said? Oh aye. We hold all the cards in the Brexit negotiations. What was it Fox said? Oh aye. The negotiations will be the easiest ever. Still, bright side, eh? Many of the pensioner Brexit voters were pining for a Britain that they remembered from the past. Looks like they’ll get what the wanted. No deal Brexit means the shops will be empty, there’ll be rationing and you’ll die from what should be easily treatable I’ll esses because we’ll not have the medicine. Just like the 1940s. the eu then has a moral obligation as well as a financial one to stop being f**king awkward and agree on a deal
Quote from: hoolahoop on July 30, 2018, 12:30:29 pmQuote from: Filo on July 30, 2018, 12:18:12 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 28, 2018, 10:52:29 pmThing is Ldr. There was never any prospect of the negotiations being anything other than a monumental f**k up. To negotiate, you need a strong bottom line. The one that says “Give is something or we will walk away”. That’s what this bunch of f**king idiots is now trying to do with the No Deal threat. But the EU negotiators know that would be Britain cutting our own throat. So they are laughing at the threat. And that means there’s zero incentive on the EU to give an inch. Why on Earth should they? Would you? Would you say “Yeah go on. You e abused us and lied about us for years. Let’s give you a deal that gives you all the benefits and none of the problems!”So the EU says in fact. “Here’s the deal. You do what we say or...well or what? You e no alternative.”And the Right Wing of the Tory Party says “How dare they! We’re British! We’ll bloody well walk away.”Etc. Etc. Etc. Round and round the f**king hamster wheel. And that is exactly what I said in my opening post of this threadYou did indeed Filo and how right you were . Sorry the site went down here but you also said that France owed us a debt going back many years and of course Germany still owed Greece a substantial amount of war reparations. However those 2 points you raised were never going to compensate the 27 or could they put their principal tenets at risk and risk losing the EU project over us . This might sound like little Englander, but going back to the WW2 every one of those 27 Countries owes us a great debt for standing up to the Nazis, along with our allies, it cost the UK a substantial amount of money to fight that cause, taking years to repay the debt, and now all it appears to be happening is they all collectivley want to stick the knife in our back and give it a good twist, all be it the situation is of our own making. Many Many of our Countrymen died for their freedom. I still say they want to punish us for voting to leave, nothing has been ceeded by them, negotiation is a process where each pary concedes things to gain in other areas, what is happening now is we are being dictated to, hot negotiation
Quote from: Boomstick on July 30, 2018, 01:29:58 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 29, 2018, 02:56:38 pmMeanwhile. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/army-on-standby-for-no-deal-brexit-emergency-dz3359lrfhttps://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/dont-panic-well-deal-with-no-deal-bs7sk5vxgWhat was it Gove said? Oh aye. We hold all the cards in the Brexit negotiations. What was it Fox said? Oh aye. The negotiations will be the easiest ever. Still, bright side, eh? Many of the pensioner Brexit voters were pining for a Britain that they remembered from the past. Looks like they’ll get what the wanted. No deal Brexit means the shops will be empty, there’ll be rationing and you’ll die from what should be easily treatable I’ll esses because we’ll not have the medicine. Just like the 1940s. the eu then has a moral obligation as well as a financial one to stop being f**king awkward and agree on a deal Boomstick, I'll buy your house off you. I'll give you £1 and half a pack of chewing gum for it.What do you mean no? Stop being so f**king awkward, you've got a moral obligation to agree a deal with me!
I'll assume you've missed my question rather than ignore it because you can't answer - why does the EU have any obligation to offer us anything?
Quote from: RedJ on July 30, 2018, 02:51:44 pmI'll assume you've missed my question rather than ignore it because you can't answer - why does the EU have any obligation to offer us anything? I was referring to the fear mongering article, about mobilising the military to help distribute supplies in the event of the eu refusing a deal. (this of course won't happen)