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Quote from: wilts rover on November 29, 2018, 07:58:12 pmQuote from: drfchound on November 29, 2018, 10:02:14 amOne of the things I heard this morning, on the news, is that some MPs are planning to abstain in the vote or even be absent from Parliament on the day of the vote.WTF is that all about?Surely they are elected to add their weight to such decisions, not dodge them.All bar 7 Labour MP's (+ the 4 independent Labour) have confirmed they will vote against May's deal. Out of these 11 only 1 has said she will vote for it - go on have a guess which constituency she represents....https://evolvepolitics.com/here-are-the-12-labour-mps-who-are-considering-voting-for-theresa-mays-brexit-deal/Wilts, as a political expert (not being funny by the way) can you tell me how many of the Labour MP's who are going to vote against Mays proposed deal are from a constituency which voted to leave.Also, how many are there who are actually going to vote against it please.
Quote from: drfchound on November 29, 2018, 10:02:14 amOne of the things I heard this morning, on the news, is that some MPs are planning to abstain in the vote or even be absent from Parliament on the day of the vote.WTF is that all about?Surely they are elected to add their weight to such decisions, not dodge them.All bar 7 Labour MP's (+ the 4 independent Labour) have confirmed they will vote against May's deal. Out of these 11 only 1 has said she will vote for it - go on have a guess which constituency she represents....https://evolvepolitics.com/here-are-the-12-labour-mps-who-are-considering-voting-for-theresa-mays-brexit-deal/
One of the things I heard this morning, on the news, is that some MPs are planning to abstain in the vote or even be absent from Parliament on the day of the vote.WTF is that all about?Surely they are elected to add their weight to such decisions, not dodge them.
Glynn, eye get rid of them too, give everything to the EU, we pay them enough, let them look after us.
BSTYou can read a bit more about "Norway Plus" here;http://betterbrexit.org.uk/I can't vouch for the accuracy of the explanation given, but it is under active consideration by key players under the radar.The important starting point is who holds sway in the Tory party after Treeza's exit?The landscape of the possible changes on the other side of her departure. Gove, Johnson and Rees Smug have soiled themselves with large swathes of the party.So who will hold power in the Tory government short of a GE? They will not be constrained by red lines set out by others.
Quote from: albie on November 30, 2018, 12:33:12 amBSTYou can read a bit more about "Norway Plus" here;http://betterbrexit.org.uk/I can't vouch for the accuracy of the explanation given, but it is under active consideration by key players under the radar.The important starting point is who holds sway in the Tory party after Treeza's exit?The landscape of the possible changes on the other side of her departure. Gove, Johnson and Rees Smug have soiled themselves with large swathes of the party.So who will hold power in the Tory government short of a GE? They will not be constrained by red lines set out by others.No, the important starting point is if this option won't get through Parliament it's just as much a dead duck as the current deal.
Glyn,The parliamentary numbers are completely different to May's deal.The SNP are likely to support it, as are other minority groups. Significant numbers of Labour and Tory MP's are likely to do so as well.The government will not have the HoC votes to carry ANY decision from their own party. The only prospect of a HoC approval is via cross party support.It very much matters who the next head of government is......the individual needs to be able to secure the numbers to get a resolution through!
go for a second referendum. f**k it. Put Norway+ on the ballot too and make it a 3-round/4-choice vote.
Yargo's been kidnapped and replaced by the Daily Express "Write a random word salad headline" bot.
Quote from: albie on November 30, 2018, 01:16:19 amGlyn,The parliamentary numbers are completely different to May's deal.The SNP are likely to support it, as are other minority groups. Significant numbers of Labour and Tory MP's are likely to do so as well.The government will not have the HoC votes to carry ANY decision from their own party. The only prospect of a HoC approval is via cross party support.It very much matters who the next head of government is......the individual needs to be able to secure the numbers to get a resolution through!I don't know where you get the idea of the SNP supporting any version of something they've been completely against all the way from the beginning.
The SNP will back whatever they think will get them most support for a run at an independence referendum. I've lived in Scotland in SNP heartland and I know exactly what they're like. Do as I say not as I do.
True TRB, but I don't think that they, zealots that they are, would want a situation where the economy of by far their strongest trading partner was crippled. Might have been different if Salmons was still at the helm and being funded by the Kremlin.
Quote from: RedJ on November 30, 2018, 01:46:48 pmThe SNP will back whatever they think will get them most support for a run at an independence referendum. I've lived in Scotland in SNP heartland and I know exactly what they're like. Do as I say not as I do.Paradoxically, leaving without a deal would probably strengthen their hand in trying to get IndyRef2.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on November 30, 2018, 01:54:01 pmTrue TRB, but I don't think that they, zealots that they are, would want a situation where the economy of by far their strongest trading partner was crippled. Might have been different if Salmons was still at the helm and being funded by the Kremlin. I would have thought the UK and in particular the Scottish economy going into recession would be grist to the IndyRef mill.