Brexit Negotiations

[idler]

A brilliant parody but I don't think that she has a good or sensible side.

[SydneyRover]

A brilliant parody but I don't think that she has a good or sensible side.

She's an enigma, not popular with the masses nor liked her own party, has few wins and comes across as though she's forgotten what happened yesterday, but she's the pm, for now anyway.

'' May later attended the University of Oxford where she read geography at St Hugh's College, graduating with a second class BA degree in 1977''

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

[Donnywolf]

Look like DAYS of saying the Vote will NOT be pulled have proved stupid as well

Vote pulled according to 2 Cabinet Ministers (just now)

[Filo]

We currently have a non functioning government, we are the laughing stock of the World, a General Elrction must be called now, too much public money has been wasted by these inepts to keep them clinging on to power, fixed term parliaments have been a disaster, another Tory ploy to keep them in power!!

[Boomstick]

We currently have a non functioning government, we are the laughing stock of the World, a General Elrction must be called now, too much public money has been wasted by these inepts to keep them clinging on to power, fixed term parliaments have been a disaster, another Tory ploy to keep them in power!!

So how would a general election help?!

Christ can you imagine Corbyn and Abbott in charge 🤣🤣.
We would definitely be a laughing stock.
We would go from a government not knowing what day it is, to a government not knowing what year it is !

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Indeed, Labour's plan is unclear and they haven't detailed just how they would get an agreement with the e.u. of course they would be just as troubled by the final deal.

If the e.u don't budge, though I suspect they will, I still see no deal more likely. My money would be an extension to the implementation of withdrawal.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Over the next few days and weeks, every time you hear a senior Tory talking, think of it in this sense.

We're going to have to have a referendum to sort this shitshow out.

There will be no No Deal Brexit because everyone who thinks for any length of time about the consequences of that knows that it would be a catastrophe.

The senior Tories know the game is up. The referendum is coming and it will result in us putting this nervous breakdown behind us and staying in.

But the intelligent senior Tories are looking beyond this, to the implications for their own careers.

There's a lot of mileage in an unscrupulous bas**rd telling (understandably) pissed off Leave supporters that they have been cheated. That they should have hard a Hard Brexit. That the consequences of that would have been fine and they were lied to by Project Fear and cheated by duplicitous politicians. That the person telling them this story now, never wavered from his/her belief in Hard Brexit.

And the whole f**king nightmare will go on for another generation. Because there are careers depending on it. And because people like our friends in here who never engage with detailed facts, but are certain that the Remain supporters are evil, unpatriotic, treason ous cheats will lap it up.

[MachoMadness]

Labour leadership seems to have been dragged kicking and screaming towards a second vote. I don't see how they wouldn't go that route if they got into power. They won't say it too openly yet as they seem terrified of alienating Leave voters - as if they aren't alienated enough already - but it's what their members and the British people at large are now voting for overwhelmingly.

[BillyStubbsTears]

There's not going to be a General Election.

We WILL have a Tory Govt with DUP support sorting out the clusterf**k that THEY got us into.

May will go.

Someone else will take over but get this clear in your heads.

Parliament will not allow a No Deal Brexit to occur.

Get that clear and the consequence  is obvious. There is now no possible way that this Parliament can support ANY deal.

Neither a softer deal which Lab would propose, or a harder deal which the Johnson wing if the Tory party would propose can get a majority.

There is no possible outcome to get us out of the impasse apart from a referendum on CLEAR AND UNAMBUGUOUS questions about what Leave means. 

[Filo]

We currently have a non functioning government, we are the laughing stock of the World, a General Elrction must be called now, too much public money has been wasted by these inepts to keep them clinging on to power, fixed term parliaments have been a disaster, another Tory ploy to keep them in power!!

So how would a general election help?!

Christ can you imagine Corbyn and Abbott in charge 🤣🤣.
We would definitely be a laughing stock.
We would go from a government not knowing what day it is, to a government not knowing what year it is !

Right now I’d sooner have the chuckle brothers running the Country, than these useless bas**rds in charge at the moment

[drfchound]

Chuckle Brother.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Hound.

I think the phrase these days is Chill Bro.

[MachoMadness]

Sad days when the DRFC forum would vote for a Rotherham fan over the current government.

[drfchound]

Hound.

I think the phrase these days is Chill Bro.

Mate, you are addressing the wrong bloke with that comment.

There are plenty of you would be politicians on here getting very hot under the collar over Brexit.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Sad days when the DRFC forum would vote for a Rotherham fan over the current government.

At least you'd get a professional clown instead of an amateur one.

[SydneyRover]

Brexit study finds significant decrease in diehard leave backers

Britain Thinks research also finds number of strongest remainers has risen by 5%

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/11/brexit-study-finds-significant-decrease-in-diehard-leave-backers

[SydneyRover]

https://twitter.com/cathywilcox1/status/1072595660334120963

[turnbull for england]

Point of order on Ireland

[bobjimwilly]

Someone made an interesting point on twitter; Pro-Brexit Tories pushed for a 2nd vote on their leader to try and out her just 2 years after voting her in, yet they dismiss the idea of a 2nd referendum after 2 years as un-democratic? 

[Glyn_Wigley]

Someone made an interesting vote point on twitter; Pro-Brexit Tories pushed for a 2nd vote on their leader to try and out her just 2 years after voting her in, yet they dismiss the idea of a 2nd referendum after 2 years as un-democratic? 

Aye, circumstances and opinions never change, do they?

[tommy toes]

It's in the interests of the EU to help the push for a second referendum as it's very much in their interests for us to stay in.
So why would they make any concessions.

[Axholme Lion]

Did anyone hear the German and Polish politician on Radio 4 this morning?
When asked the German said there was no possibility of renegotiation as we had got a very good deal out of the EU. However when the Polish gentleman was asked the same question, he was very strongly of the opinion that in the interests of his country and citizens living in the UK that ANY DEAL with us would be preferable to no deal. Now this is directly the opposite of the line we are being fed by TM. So does this show who has the whip hand in the EU?

[bobjimwilly]

did anyone else see this news: https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/eu-japan-trade-deal-approved-creating-worlds-largest-free-trade-area/12/12/?fbclid=IwAR1Sn6xZFuJyNzZLbWMDUpohVvt0nQ6lftPrw8KP_91h15xn0jZtcizqAAE

Seems like another very good reason to stay?

[bobjimwilly]

Michael Heseltine gets it spot on: https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1073119136157450241

[Glyn_Wigley]

Did anyone hear the German and Polish politician on Radio 4 this morning?
When asked the German said there was no possibility of renegotiation as we had got a very good deal out of the EU. However when the Polish gentleman was asked the same question, he was very strongly of the opinion that in the interests of his country and citizens living in the UK that ANY DEAL with us would be preferable to no deal. Now this is directly the opposite of the line we are being fed by TM. So does this show who has the whip hand in the EU?

Has the thought that TM has been bullshitting us for the past two years not crossed your mind?

[albie]

Amusing summary of the Mayfest from Mark Steel;
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/theresa-may-brexit-deal-no-confidence-vote-eu-withdrawal-agreement-conservatives-a8682026.html

The plan is to stall until the last minute, and then say there is no time to do anything except the May deal. Thats why she is delaying the vote on her deal until January 21, the last possible moment.

So the stance of the DUP becomes pivotal.

Remember there is no government in N Ireland. Stormont was suspended because the DUP made a mess of a renewable energy scheme, and powers were transferred to Westminster.

Now the future of the Westminster May government depends upon the DUP position. You could say the DUP hold executive power.

The EU are being asked to offer a concession in favour of a imminent non member in the UK, to the disadvantage of a remaining member in Eire. Guess how that will go?

So who will fall first, Treez or the Donald?

[SydneyRover]

Not that anyone could call may or the tories hypoctitical?

Theresa May has attacked one of her predecessors - accusing Tony Blair of "undermining" the Brexit talks by calling for another referendum.''

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46582705

[BillyStubbsTears]

What do you prefer?

Jaw-jaw or war-war?

https://mobile.twitter.com/simongerman600/status/1058773358551199745

[Hounslowrover]

Not that anyone could call may or the tories hypoctitical?

Theresa May has attacked one of her predecessors - accusing Tony Blair of "undermining" the Brexit talks by calling for another referendum.''

Absolutely stunned when I heard this on the news.  What about John Major doing the same or 100+ of her party undermining her.  May is truly locked in another world.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46582705

[Sprotyrover]

Here you go guys pick the bones out of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9cLwoTkWes