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This must be tongue in cheek too, no?Hartlepool''Winning Tory candidate Jill Mortimer says Labour has taken Hartlepool for granted for too long''
The Labour Party obviously need an inquest to understand fully what's going on in places like Hartlepool.My guess, only a guess, is that Brexit is still alive in the minds of voters and Starmer is seen as being against it. Voters in places like Hartlepool feel let down over the years too. My hunch is there is a feeling in red wall seats with the Tories that if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.Obviously the lies and deceit of Johnson aren't cutting through. I think the Tories are getting credit for the vaccine rollout.For me, I felt able to vote for Labour, for the first time in a while yesterday but it was only for a police and crime commissioner.
Quote from: River Don on May 07, 2021, 08:23:06 amThe Labour Party obviously need an inquest to understand fully what's going on in places like Hartlepool.My guess, only a guess, is that Brexit is still alive in the minds of voters and Starmer is seen as being against it. Voters in places like Hartlepool feel let down over the years too. My hunch is there is a feeling in red wall seats with the Tories that if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.Obviously the lies and deceit of Johnson aren't cutting through. I think the Tories are getting credit for the vaccine rollout.For me, I felt able to vote for Labour, for the first time in a while yesterday but it was only for a police and crime commissioner.Labour shed 7'000 votes from the 2019 Election yesterday in Hartlepool which was an atrocious performance by Labour on the back of their Brexit stance. 7'000 people willing to vote for Labour then have either decided that the party isn't the one that best represents them or even more worryingly, that they didn't vote at all. However this has come at a good time for Labour, there's loads of time until a general election, they should be sending every figure they've got up there now and digging deep into where these votes have gone. No reactionary blame game but to quietly work out how they will change their current perception.
Wesisback, there is no good time to be a loser. and when they have been serial losers for so long life becomes a bitch and people realise they are becoming irrelevant.
Quote from: wesisback on May 07, 2021, 08:34:56 amQuote from: River Don on May 07, 2021, 08:23:06 amThe Labour Party obviously need an inquest to understand fully what's going on in places like Hartlepool.My guess, only a guess, is that Brexit is still alive in the minds of voters and Starmer is seen as being against it. Voters in places like Hartlepool feel let down over the years too. My hunch is there is a feeling in red wall seats with the Tories that if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.Obviously the lies and deceit of Johnson aren't cutting through. I think the Tories are getting credit for the vaccine rollout.For me, I felt able to vote for Labour, for the first time in a while yesterday but it was only for a police and crime commissioner.Labour shed 7'000 votes from the 2019 Election yesterday in Hartlepool which was an atrocious performance by Labour on the back of their Brexit stance. 7'000 people willing to vote for Labour then have either decided that the party isn't the one that best represents them or even more worryingly, that they didn't vote at all. However this has come at a good time for Labour, there's loads of time until a general election, they should be sending every figure they've got up there now and digging deep into where these votes have gone. No reactionary blame game but to quietly work out how they will change their current perception.It perhaps looks more dramatic now because the shift had previously been hidden by the UKIP vote.
Labour wins the Doncaster Mayoral election
Quote from: selby on May 07, 2021, 08:49:09 am Wesisback, there is no good time to be a loser. and when they have been serial losers for so long life becomes a bitch and people realise they are becoming irrelevant.Whether that is Labour or not an opposition will emerge. I've not even found a staunch Tory that believes a one party state is a good thing (there really is no good examples of this). In my opinion (and its only mine as it would defeat the point that there shouldn't be an instantaneous reaction) Labour has become even more complacent in the last year of offering a substantial difference. I'm sure they exist but if the majority of voters on this post who care enough to comment don't know, what chance does Joe Public have?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/04/labour-tories-voters-keir-starmer
but if you don't read the guardian how would you know hound?
the travellers told you?
Interesting to see John McDonnell stating the same as I had previously. Labour went in to these elections with no policies how could they persuade people to vote for them?I'm still surprised how badly they have seemingly done. Boris had seemingly had a few tough weeks with questions around government funds yet the government just got a bit stronger and seem to be picking up more votes.
BST this is what you are up against and is a widespread thought in my experience. Nicked from a friends fbI’ve always voted Labour and couldn’t stomach voting Tory because of the memory of my late grandad who was a proper Labour man - however this present lot have lost the working class completely in this country they represent nothing but a very narrow metropolitan elite who sneer at ordinary working people - it’s a crime really that despite everything we’ve only got an opposition in name only
Quote from: Ldr on May 07, 2021, 12:29:19 pmBST this is what you are up against and is a widespread thought in my experience. Nicked from a friends fbI’ve always voted Labour and couldn’t stomach voting Tory because of the memory of my late grandad who was a proper Labour man - however this present lot have lost the working class completely in this country they represent nothing but a very narrow metropolitan elite who sneer at ordinary working people - it’s a crime really that despite everything we’ve only got an opposition in name only And yet the working class are prepared to vote for the party of the proper elite who certainly sneer at ordinary working people - indeed have written books and newspaper articles on how lazy and overpaid they are!!Thats the conundrum. People seem to think that 'Labour' sneer at the working class -when they actually dont and the vast majority of their membership are working class - you wanna see my bricklaying certificates - but that the Tories dont - when they properly despise them.Labour need a postive agenda/policies - but they also need better media management to get that positive message over. Can Starmer do that, well...But well done Boris, big win, everybody should be gracious enough to accept that.