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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: jackthelad on April 14, 2019, 03:52:04 pm
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Somebody touched upon it on another thread and I thought it was worthy of its own thread really.
I know previously the DFP said that we would only be offering new deals to 2 of the 3 senior pros out of contract. I.E, Coppinger,Butler and Rowe. I think most, myself included felt that the player not been offered one would be Rowe.
I just feel after his recent performances over the last couple of months he has proven how good he is and he’s surely got to be offered a new deal, I know he’s had bad luck with injuries and he’s not always played consistently but when he’s in the team and has a decent run he is definitely a asset and one of our better players.
I would keep him if we can, without a shadow of a doubt. Infact I think I would offer all three senior pros a new deal. If one had to go out of the three for me it would be Butler. That’s not a dig at Butler either as I think he’s a decent steady player, I just feel we have some good CHs already and he’s the least important of the three. (Rowe,Coppinger,Butler)
What’s everybody else’s thoughts?
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Agree on Rowe but Butler as one of four CBs is definitely worth another year. May not hold automatic first choice place any more but definitely more than worthy as back-up.
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Rowe is starting to find a bit of form and I would offer him a contract. Copps deserves another year with the number of assists he has got and the amount of games he has played this year. If we are still in league one I would offer Butler a deal but if we win promotion I would let him go and try bring someone else in. Butler has been good this year no doubt about it but I think he would really struggle in the Championship because theres a big jump in quality.
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There will be a few clubs with an eye on Tommy Rowe, we would do well to keep him.
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Don't be too shocked to see him rocking up at London Road come July.
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It really depends which division we are in as far as Butler is concerned.
I just don’t think he would be good enough in the Championship. The standard of strikers in that league is at another level.
League 1 yes i would definitely keep him.
Yes i would sign Copps and Rowe. Tommy is getting back to his best, he just needed a run in the team to get his match fitness up to speed.
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I’d have happily driven Rowe to a new club he seemed uninterested, whether its to put himself in the shop window or other, he has been a revelation in the last month and I’d be sorry to see him go now
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The biggest thing to consider with any player coming into the side, after a long lay-off, is that said player, whoever he is, is going to need at least 2 or 3 games to get back playing as good as when they dropped out.
I don't think TR has looked 'disinterested' at all, he's just been adjusting himself to the needs of performing at the level required.
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Rowe looked disinterested when he first got back into the team after his injury but to be fair to him, he now looks like the player we know he can be.
As for Andy Butler, well he has been written off almost as many times as Copps but keeps on proving people wrong.
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Tommy Rowe is our scoring midfield player. He was never disinterested I watched him playing for the U23 development side were he was in control of midfield also giving instruction to the young lads around him. When he came back in to the first team he should have been played consistently then you would have seen his performance improve quickly. He’s had to prove himself again to the manager he should have done that now.
Let’s not forget and I’ll keep saying it his goals per minutes played is the best of all our midfield players this season.
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Don't be too shocked to see him rocking up at London Road come July.
I heard he was off in January (not to Peterborough). Surprised he's still here.
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Don't be too shocked to see him rocking up at London Road come July.
I heard he was off in January (not to Peterborough). Surprised he's still here.
I heard rumours he was leaving at the back end of January too, I am glad he didn’t.
Hope we do keep hold of him but just a feeling in my gut says he will be leaving this summer regardless of what happens between now and the end of the season.
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Don't be too shocked to see him rocking up at London Road come July.
I heard he was off in January (not to Peterborough). Surprised he's still here.
I heard rumours he was leaving at the back end of January too, I am glad he didn’t.
Hope we do keep hold of him but just a feeling in my gut says he will be leaving this summer regardless of what happens between now and the end of the season.
But there was no truth in those rumours.
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Tommy Rowe is our scoring midfield player. He was never disinterested I watched him playing for the U23 development side were he was in control of midfield also giving instruction to the young lads around him. When he came back in to the first team he should have been played consistently then you would have seen his performance improve quickly. He’s had to prove himself again to the manager he should have done that now.
Let’s not forget and I’ll keep saying it his goals per minutes played is the best of all our midfield players this season.
I didn’t say he WAS disinterested Steve, I said he looked as though he was.
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Disinterested and not match fit are two completely different things.
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Rowe looked disinterested when he first got back into the team after his injury but to be fair to him, he now looks like the player we know he can be.
As for Andy Butler, well he has been written off almost as many times as Copps but keeps on proving people wrong.
As others have said, it takes time to get up to speed. He’s a quality player.
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I bumped into James Coppinger on the saturday night after the Luton game the other week in the service on A1 and asked him if he was staying. He told me he had an agreement in place to stay for next season but it wasnt getting announced till the end of the season. He also said Butler was in the same position as himself but he didnt know wether Tommy Rowe would be staying.
Hope he does stay. Come into some cracking form last couple of weeks. Great player when fit.
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There may be no point in offering terms to Rowe..He may have already told the club he's leaving in the summer for all we know..He's a good player and if an agreement can be reached,great..If he wants to move on so be it...
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No doubt it'll be the club's fault for not throwing enough money at him for some, regardless of whether that would feature in Rowe's decision making at all...
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Rowe looked disinterested when he first got back into the team after his injury but to be fair to him, he now looks like the player we know he can be.
As for Andy Butler, well he has been written off almost as many times as Copps but keeps on proving people wrong.
As others have said, it takes time to get up to speed. He’s a quality player.
He is a quality player - but of Kane, Whiteman and Rowe it is Rowe that is least consistent. He will be on more than anyone else in that midfield I imagine as well.
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Clearly took him some time to get fit, not at all surprising. He was very good on Saturday though.
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Rowe, Marosi and Andrew are the question marks at the moment. Based on recent performances I would now be sad to lose any of them! However, we have done well this season without Rowe so it wouldn't be the end of the world, although there's no doubting he's been back to his best of late.
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Rowe, Marosi and Andrew are the question marks at the moment. Based on recent performances I would now be sad to lose any of them! However, we have done well this season without Rowe so it wouldn't be the end of the world, although there's no doubting he's been back to his best of late.
So losing Kane and Rowe at the end of the season will make recruitment harder.
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Some contracts won't be sorted until we definitely know which league we're in.
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I bumped into James Coppinger on the saturday night after the Luton game the other week in the service on A1 and asked him if he was staying. He told me he had an agreement in place to stay for next season but it wasnt getting announced till the end of the season. He also said Butler was in the same position as himself but he didnt know wether Tommy Rowe would be staying.
Hope he does stay. Come into some cracking form last couple of weeks. Great player when fit.
Well it isn’t a secret anymore is it.
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Rowe looked disinterested when he first got back into the team after his injury but to be fair to him, he now looks like the player we know he can be.
As for Andy Butler, well he has been written off almost as many times as Copps but keeps on proving people wrong.
As others have said, it takes time to get up to speed. He’s a quality player.
....and as I said earlier, he now looks like the player that we know he can be.
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Don't be too shocked to see him rocking up at London Road come July.
I heard he was off in January (not to Peterborough). Surprised he's still here.
I heard rumours he was leaving at the back end of January too, I am glad he didn’t.
Hope we do keep hold of him but just a feeling in my gut says he will be leaving this summer regardless of what happens between now and the end of the season.
But there was no truth in those rumours.
Peterborough just announced they have signed pre contract agreements for 2 unnamed players for next season
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I wouldn't be surprised one bit If he does end up at Peterborough with Ferguson next season.
I would be disappointed if Tommy was one of those to sign a pre-contract agreement though with them considering we are going toe to toe for a play-off place over the next three weeks. All blind speculation mind.
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Aye, I believe they do need a left back.....
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Aye, I believe they do need a left back.....
Ah so they'll be wanting Crawford too?
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Be weird if Rowe agreed to leave already (unless we told him we didn't want him) given we are in the playoffs and if he keeps playing well we could be in a higher division than Posh (could go the other way too).
You'd think it better to try go up and get a championship offer from us or at least get a recent promotion on record to up your asking price.
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Depends on the player,he may have been made a offer from somebody else he couldn't turn down,closer to home or with someone he enjoys working with.Not every player has a burning ambition to test themselves at higher levels.Some actually prefer been in there comfort zone,close to loved ones etc etc..
I'm not saying that's Rowe though because none of us really know..But one player turned down an offer to stay and we said we would maybe look at it at the end of the season...If I was a betting man..!!
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Depends on the player,he may have been made a offer from somebody else he couldn't turn down,closer to home or with someone he enjoys working with.Not every player has a burning ambition to test themselves at higher levels.Some actually prefer been in there comfort zone,close to loved ones etc etc..
I'm not saying that's Rowe though because none of us really know..But one player turned down an offer to stay and we said we would maybe look at it at the end of the season...If I was a betting man..!!
I think the one who turned down an offer was likely either Marosi or Andrew or both (offered same time as Lawlor). I think it was said at the time we were planning to offer contracts to 2 of the 3 'senior players' reckoned to be Copps, Butler and Rowe.
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Have the rules changed recently? I thought domestic clubs weren’t allowed to (officially) speak to domestic players until their contracts actually expire. I’m not naive enough to think that clubs won’t talk to players, but if those are still the rules then signing a pre-contract is surely out of the question?
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Have the rules changed recently? I thought domestic clubs weren’t allowed to (officially) speak to domestic players until their contracts actually expire. I’m not naive enough to think that clubs won’t talk to players, but if those are still the rules then signing a pre-contract is surely out of the question?
I think if a player is in the last six month's of his deal he is free to speak with who he wishes?
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Andrew might be a good call, when asked he keeps saying he has no idea where he will be playing next season, so that would fit in nicely with Ferguson it could be right side midfield or straight through the middle. Definitely not left back though
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Have the rules changed recently? I thought domestic clubs weren’t allowed to (officially) speak to domestic players until their contracts actually expire. I’m not naive enough to think that clubs won’t talk to players, but if those are still the rules then signing a pre-contract is surely out of the question?
I think if a player is in the last six month's of his deal he is free to speak with who he wishes?
Like I say unless they've changed the rules I don't think that's true - they can only speak to clubs abroad when they've got 6 months left. Aaron Ramsey couldn't have officially talked to/signed anything with Chelsea or Spurs in January, but he could with Juve.
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But can agents talk to clubs in those timescales.?
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But can agents talk to clubs in those timescales.?
I wouldn't imagine so. If they can then it defeats the whole point of the rule.
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It probably does happen unofficially though.
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If it is happening unofficially though, then surely that means they still can't formally agree to pre-contract agreements? Which is what's in question here.
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If it was illegal then surely Peterborough wouldn’t be announcing it?
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Have the rules changed recently? I thought domestic clubs weren’t allowed to (officially) speak to domestic players until their contracts actually expire. I’m not naive enough to think that clubs won’t talk to players, but if those are still the rules then signing a pre-contract is surely out of the question?
I think if a player is in the last six month's of his deal he is free to speak with who he wishes?
Correct.
Like I say unless they've changed the rules I don't think that's true - they can only speak to clubs abroad when they've got 6 months left. Aaron Ramsey couldn't have officially talked to/signed anything with Chelsea or Spurs in January, but he could with Juve.
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No, a player is free to speak to whoever he wants domestically or Internationally once he is in to the last 6 months of his contract.
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maybe they aren't from our league maybe Scottish leagues hence they can say that have signed someone but out of respect suprisingly for them they are keeping it quiet
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Didn't we sign Danny Andrew under similar circumstances. I'm that there were rumours for a long while but no announcement until his contract ran out.
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All speculation isn’t it really.