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They aren't perfect no, but they are pretty good. I guess we should think morally if we want to take that risk of hurting somebody else. But that's a question we should consider on other conditions. I say that as I'm about to start a course of steroids to hopefully solve my breathing issues. A small simple cold that others passed off in a day or two has led to a few weeks of struggling and getting worse, should we generally think of that in future for all autumn/winter periods? I'd say not, but for others with much more serious conditions it is worth thinking about morally.I'm with Axholme Lion, masks in shops etc but not in the workplace or at events. I somehow managed the Great North run last week (which with this chest was a miracle, but I wasn't for giving in and finished albeit behind a fair bit behind my best and with an injury). They did a pretty good job of increasing the space on the course to make it quite socially distanced. With 50000 people involved I was really quite impressed. Even the trains weren't full which is rare for that event. That should be what we maintain for some time.It is though a huge positive that so far there hasn't been an explosion in cases now schools are back, gigs and football matches occurring.
So the implication there is that the vaccines are not particularly effective in protecting others
Scawsby Steve always wears a mask. I'm not sure though if he wears one for moral purposes or because he's got more chance of pulling a bird.
Really difficult to know what is going on with the infection numbers at the moment.10 days ago, the 7 day average stood at 38,000 per day. Then it fell like a stone, dropping to 29,000 within a week. Then just as quickly, the fall stopped and it's moved back up to over 30,000 over the past three days.I'm guessing most of the rise in late August/early Sept was kids getting tested as they returned to school. Then that blip drooped out of the numbers, hence the sudden fall 10 days ago. Now perhaps we are back to the underlying trend which is what we were seeing in early August. A steady, slow rise.
Testing went up by about 45% from mid Aug to early Sept (roughly 750k per day to 1M) . Positive cases went up about 35% (roughly 28k to 38k).That's about right. There are obvious reasons why, when you blitz-test schoolkids, you wouldn't expect positive results to increase as fast as the number of tests.
There WAS a big surge in positive test results. The seven day average had been steady for a couple of weeks at the back end of August, then it went up 15% in 3-4 days as the schools testing data came through. But that was very likley just picking up infections that weren't being noticed before because kids were not getting tested in the holidays. What really matters is if the cases start to increase again due to kids being in school, and more people starting to spend more time indoors as the weather (eventually) deteriorates. As Albie says, it'll take time before we see whether cases rise as the epidemiology modellers expect them to.As for deaths, they are currently rising slowly (up from mid 130s to mid 140s in the past ten days) which is what you'd expect if the underlying trend of cases (ignoring the ups and downs of school testing) was a slow increase throughout mid-late August. Any changes to the spread of the epidemic happening now won't show through in death numbers until the middle of next month.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears link=topic=275849.msg1089689#msg1089689 date=1632155528Deaths within 28 days of Covid, but deaths from what?How many are actually dying from Covid or a Covid related illness.If I had a positive test for Covid 28 days ago and got knocked over by a bus I would still figure in the total number of deaths, yes? Crazy
My kids didn't go back till early Sept, but maybe they weren't typical. Test numbers shot up from about 16 Aug, peaking at 6 Sept. There's no other obvious reason why test numbers should have risen so dramatically other than kids being tested. The 16 Aug date ties in with Scottish schools reopening.
Blackpool,We won't see the impact of the schools re-opening for about 3 weeks, because there is a lag before infections show up.This is why it would have been better to jab the kids in the summer holiday, not wait until they were back in class.
wrong thread Billy