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What is it about Starmer that Tory voters don’t like? What has actually done (or not) that they object to? Let’s face it, we could create some list detailing Johnson’s failings (and some on here seem to forgive him anything) but what is it about Starmer that’s objectionable?
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on April 30, 2021, 01:27:11 pmWhat is it about Starmer that Tory voters don’t like? What has actually done (or not) that they object to? Let’s face it, we could create some list detailing Johnson’s failings (and some on here seem to forgive him anything) but what is it about Starmer that’s objectionable?A pointless expertise, on this forum anyway, Herbert.Without a doubt.
Quote from: drfchound on April 30, 2021, 01:29:18 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on April 30, 2021, 01:27:11 pmWhat is it about Starmer that Tory voters don’t like? What has actually done (or not) that they object to? Let’s face it, we could create some list detailing Johnson’s failings (and some on here seem to forgive him anything) but what is it about Starmer that’s objectionable?A pointless expertise, on this forum anyway, Herbert.Without a doubt.Perhaps it's the type of disciples he attracts such as some of those on this forum!
For me Starmer just doesn't stand out as an inspirational character......... people might decide to follow him - but I can only imagine it's out of curiosity...
Quote from: bpoolrover on April 30, 2021, 12:19:28 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on April 30, 2021, 12:08:33 pmQuote from: bpoolrover on April 30, 2021, 10:17:55 amLatest you gov poll https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/04/29/voting-intention-con-44-lab-33-27-28-aprHilarious isn't it. Boris would say he's gonna poison the water supply and he'd get a +5. Why is that thou there must be a reason?You might be better asking someone who voted Conservative. They're the only ones who understand why BJ is without blame for anything he does wrong.
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on April 30, 2021, 12:08:33 pmQuote from: bpoolrover on April 30, 2021, 10:17:55 amLatest you gov poll https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/04/29/voting-intention-con-44-lab-33-27-28-aprHilarious isn't it. Boris would say he's gonna poison the water supply and he'd get a +5. Why is that thou there must be a reason?
Quote from: bpoolrover on April 30, 2021, 10:17:55 amLatest you gov poll https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/04/29/voting-intention-con-44-lab-33-27-28-aprHilarious isn't it. Boris would say he's gonna poison the water supply and he'd get a +5.
Latest you gov poll https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/04/29/voting-intention-con-44-lab-33-27-28-apr
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on April 30, 2021, 01:34:49 pmQuote from: drfchound on April 30, 2021, 01:29:18 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on April 30, 2021, 01:27:11 pmWhat is it about Starmer that Tory voters don’t like? What has actually done (or not) that they object to? Let’s face it, we could create some list detailing Johnson’s failings (and some on here seem to forgive him anything) but what is it about Starmer that’s objectionable?A pointless expertise, on this forum anyway, Herbert.Without a doubt.Perhaps it's the type of disciples he attracts such as some of those on this forum!Without a doubt BB.I wouldn’t want to be part of any Party who included some of the leftie types on this forum.They have certainly put me off even considering voting Labour.......ever.
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on April 30, 2021, 12:45:09 pmQuote from: bpoolrover on April 30, 2021, 12:19:28 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on April 30, 2021, 12:08:33 pmQuote from: bpoolrover on April 30, 2021, 10:17:55 amLatest you gov poll https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/04/29/voting-intention-con-44-lab-33-27-28-aprHilarious isn't it. Boris would say he's gonna poison the water supply and he'd get a +5. Why is that thou there must be a reason?You might be better asking someone who voted Conservative. They're the only ones who understand why BJ is without blame for anything he does wrong. there lies the problem it’s not about the tories, its people not voting for the Labour Party that is the problem, labour have spent the last week going on and on about boris flat and the vast majority of people don’t actually give a toss about it, yes if there is wrong doings it needs sorting but surley they should be trying to sell themselves to the voters and the voters they have lost about issues that people care about?
Quote from: bpoolrover on April 30, 2021, 02:13:47 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on April 30, 2021, 12:45:09 pmQuote from: bpoolrover on April 30, 2021, 12:19:28 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on April 30, 2021, 12:08:33 pmQuote from: bpoolrover on April 30, 2021, 10:17:55 amLatest you gov poll https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/04/29/voting-intention-con-44-lab-33-27-28-aprHilarious isn't it. Boris would say he's gonna poison the water supply and he'd get a +5. Why is that thou there must be a reason?You might be better asking someone who voted Conservative. They're the only ones who understand why BJ is without blame for anything he does wrong. there lies the problem it’s not about the tories, its people not voting for the Labour Party that is the problem, labour have spent the last week going on and on about boris flat and the vast majority of people don’t actually give a toss about it, yes if there is wrong doings it needs sorting but surley they should be trying to sell themselves to the voters and the voters they have lost about issues that people care about?But Labour are the opposition. They're opposing them and pointing out any wrong doing and making sure they're held to account for it. It's not an election year for 3 more years so obviously Labour don't have a manifesto currently to attract people with. What would you specifically expect them to do currently?I don't see how it's not about the Tories though... They shouldn't be gaining support when they cock up. If they're doing well then fair enough but when they're blatantly breaking the law, giving public money to their mates, etc then that support shouldn't grow.
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on April 30, 2021, 02:20:49 pmQuote from: bpoolrover on April 30, 2021, 02:13:47 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on April 30, 2021, 12:45:09 pmQuote from: bpoolrover on April 30, 2021, 12:19:28 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on April 30, 2021, 12:08:33 pmQuote from: bpoolrover on April 30, 2021, 10:17:55 amLatest you gov poll https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/04/29/voting-intention-con-44-lab-33-27-28-aprHilarious isn't it. Boris would say he's gonna poison the water supply and he'd get a +5. Why is that thou there must be a reason?You might be better asking someone who voted Conservative. They're the only ones who understand why BJ is without blame for anything he does wrong. there lies the problem it’s not about the tories, its people not voting for the Labour Party that is the problem, labour have spent the last week going on and on about boris flat and the vast majority of people don’t actually give a toss about it, yes if there is wrong doings it needs sorting but surley they should be trying to sell themselves to the voters and the voters they have lost about issues that people care about?But Labour are the opposition. They're opposing them and pointing out any wrong doing and making sure they're held to account for it. It's not an election year for 3 more years so obviously Labour don't have a manifesto currently to attract people with. What would you specifically expect them to do currently?I don't see how it's not about the Tories though... They shouldn't be gaining support when they cock up. If they're doing well then fair enough but when they're blatantly breaking the law, giving public money to their mates, etc then that support shouldn't grow. because your average joe bloggs does not follow politics every day, they are not interested that boris might not have followed procedure with his flat, raise concerns on housing education poverty, put it out there what they will do to change things if they were in power, maybe stop slagging people off for voting Tory or brexit and post positive things about the Labour Party that might change peoples way of thinking
Wasn't Starmer at the CPS when they said nothing to see here about Jimmy Saville?
What is it about Starmer that Tory voters don’t like? What has he actually done (or not) that they object to? Let’s face it, we could create some list detailing Johnson’s failings (and some on here seem to forgive him anything) but what is it about Starmer that’s objectionable?
Quote from: bpoolrover on April 30, 2021, 02:41:16 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on April 30, 2021, 02:20:49 pmQuote from: bpoolrover on April 30, 2021, 02:13:47 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on April 30, 2021, 12:45:09 pmQuote from: bpoolrover on April 30, 2021, 12:19:28 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on April 30, 2021, 12:08:33 pmQuote from: bpoolrover on April 30, 2021, 10:17:55 amLatest you gov poll https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/04/29/voting-intention-con-44-lab-33-27-28-aprHilarious isn't it. Boris would say he's gonna poison the water supply and he'd get a +5. Why is that thou there must be a reason?You might be better asking someone who voted Conservative. They're the only ones who understand why BJ is without blame for anything he does wrong. there lies the problem it’s not about the tories, its people not voting for the Labour Party that is the problem, labour have spent the last week going on and on about boris flat and the vast majority of people don’t actually give a toss about it, yes if there is wrong doings it needs sorting but surley they should be trying to sell themselves to the voters and the voters they have lost about issues that people care about?But Labour are the opposition. They're opposing them and pointing out any wrong doing and making sure they're held to account for it. It's not an election year for 3 more years so obviously Labour don't have a manifesto currently to attract people with. What would you specifically expect them to do currently?I don't see how it's not about the Tories though... They shouldn't be gaining support when they cock up. If they're doing well then fair enough but when they're blatantly breaking the law, giving public money to their mates, etc then that support shouldn't grow. because your average joe bloggs does not follow politics every day, they are not interested that boris might not have followed procedure with his flat, raise concerns on housing education poverty, put it out there what they will do to change things if they were in power, maybe stop slagging people off for voting Tory or brexit and post positive things about the Labour Party that might change peoples way of thinkingSo you think the government shouldn't be held to account because of some people who aren't interested in politics. That's an interesting constitutional theory.
Quote from: drfchound on April 30, 2021, 01:37:28 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 30, 2021, 01:34:49 pmQuote from: drfchound on April 30, 2021, 01:29:18 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on April 30, 2021, 01:27:11 pmWhat is it about Starmer that Tory voters don’t like? What has actually done (or not) that they object to? Let’s face it, we could create some list detailing Johnson’s failings (and some on here seem to forgive him anything) but what is it about Starmer that’s objectionable?A pointless expertise, on this forum anyway, Herbert.Without a doubt.Perhaps it's the type of disciples he attracts such as some of those on this forum!Without a doubt BB.I wouldn’t want to be part of any Party who included some of the leftie types on this forum.They have certainly put me off even considering voting Labour.......ever.You should vote for the party that most aligns to your beliefs. If you believe in pro-business, privatisation, etc then you should vote Conservatives. Then to use another football related example... If your beliefs are Tory beliefs and you weren't keen on the current leader, you shouldn't go for the party that supports the opposite in what you believe in, the same as if Rovers were playing crap and you wanted the manager gone, you wouldn't suddenly start going to watch Leeds, as that's selling out all your beliefs.If you're a conservative. Then fair enough vote Conservative.
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on April 30, 2021, 01:27:11 pmWhat is it about Starmer that Tory voters don’t like? What has he actually done (or not) that they object to? Let’s face it, we could create some list detailing Johnson’s failings (and some on here seem to forgive him anything) but what is it about Starmer that’s objectionable?So, unless I’ve missed anything, Non Labour supporters don’t like Starmer because:A) He lacks an inspirational personality B) The actions/comments of Labour supporters
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on April 30, 2021, 02:14:56 pmQuote from: drfchound on April 30, 2021, 01:37:28 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 30, 2021, 01:34:49 pmQuote from: drfchound on April 30, 2021, 01:29:18 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on April 30, 2021, 01:27:11 pmWhat is it about Starmer that Tory voters don’t like? What has actually done (or not) that they object to? Let’s face it, we could create some list detailing Johnson’s failings (and some on here seem to forgive him anything) but what is it about Starmer that’s objectionable?A pointless expertise, on this forum anyway, Herbert.Without a doubt.Perhaps it's the type of disciples he attracts such as some of those on this forum!Without a doubt BB.I wouldn’t want to be part of any Party who included some of the leftie types on this forum.They have certainly put me off even considering voting Labour.......ever.You should vote for the party that most aligns to your beliefs. If you believe in pro-business, privatisation, etc then you should vote Conservatives. Then to use another football related example... If your beliefs are Tory beliefs and you weren't keen on the current leader, you shouldn't go for the party that supports the opposite in what you believe in, the same as if Rovers were playing crap and you wanted the manager gone, you wouldn't suddenly start going to watch Leeds, as that's selling out all your beliefs.If you're a conservative. Then fair enough vote Conservative.People also have the option to vote for other Party’s of course.
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on April 30, 2021, 03:53:22 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on April 30, 2021, 01:27:11 pmWhat is it about Starmer that Tory voters don’t like? What has he actually done (or not) that they object to? Let’s face it, we could create some list detailing Johnson’s failings (and some on here seem to forgive him anything) but what is it about Starmer that’s objectionable?So, unless I’ve missed anything, Non Labour supporters don’t like Starmer because:A) He lacks an inspirational personality B) The actions/comments of Labour supportersHerbert, you're missing one huge reason. As former Shadow Brexit Secretary, Starmer masterminded Labour's push for a second referendum. In other words, he was telling Labour voters in the North of England that they'd voted the wrong way, so they could all f*ck off, because him and his cronies were insisting that they'd all have to vote again.That was the reason Labour got slaughtered in the North East at the GE, and will probably get pumped again in Hartlepool, despite Johnson's sleaze.Point taken Steve, though I was only repeating what others had said rather than my own opinion.
TBH mate I think that some Labour supporters would vote the same way if a Chimp was the leader.
Quote TBH mate I think that some Labour supporters would vote the same way if a Chimp was the leader.That’s a very old, tired and lazy line.Please do better.