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Quote from: MachoMadness on October 22, 2020, 03:22:41 pmYou do know that this is all happening under capitalism, don't you? I was starting to think there were a few things even you wouldn't use to bait the lefties, BB. Obviously starving kids isn't one of them.MM, this often doesn't go down well with your generation, but there's a difference between being skint and just about managing as you describe and being below the poverty line. This generation is going through hardships that yours couldn't even imagine. Most parents in poverty are in work - https://www.jrf.org.uk/report/what-has-driven-rise-work-poverty - some in several jobs. Many are on insecure zero hour contracts. There's no safety net there for them. If you ate well, you were lucky. Privileged. Kids today are not so lucky. I assure you, you're getting annoyed at the wrong thing.If you have an iPhone, loads of tattoos and smoke cigs you are not in poverty. That is a life choice on how you spend money. I don't have a phone, computer or foreign holidays, I put my money into my home, it is my life choice.
You do know that this is all happening under capitalism, don't you? I was starting to think there were a few things even you wouldn't use to bait the lefties, BB. Obviously starving kids isn't one of them.MM, this often doesn't go down well with your generation, but there's a difference between being skint and just about managing as you describe and being below the poverty line. This generation is going through hardships that yours couldn't even imagine. Most parents in poverty are in work - https://www.jrf.org.uk/report/what-has-driven-rise-work-poverty - some in several jobs. Many are on insecure zero hour contracts. There's no safety net there for them. If you ate well, you were lucky. Privileged. Kids today are not so lucky. I assure you, you're getting annoyed at the wrong thing.
In fairness, here's a Tory MP who has but morals before her own job.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54642788
MM. Who said anything about tarring them with the same brush? I certainly didn't! And why should they not be condemned just because you think they are 'few and far between?'You said: "I've worked with people in this kind of poverty before, and I can assure you I never met a single one of them who'd get a new iPhone every year before they fed their kids." If they can afford a new iPhone after their kids have been fed by someone else I question the morality of that. Don't you? And, surely they are not in desperate poverty if they can do that, and if they are skint it's because they are spending all their money on non-essentials, instead of food. Don't you agree?
Quote from: Metalmicky on October 22, 2020, 02:37:06 pmIt really annoys me that we have a society that can't cook at home and then essentially waste money on takeaways and eating out that costs 3 or 4 times the amount that it would to produce a healthier, more filling meal at home. Many can't or don't want to cook, but others are just plain lazy and then complain that they don't have the money to feed their kids. Like it or not there are many 'professional' benefits claimers out there who could do more to ensure their offspring are well fed and watered.....and it might help matters if you didn't see them smoking & drinking regularly, and have the latest phones, wide screen TV, Sky package etc. It's a real shame that kids go starving and in this "comfortable" society we live in there's the need for food banks to provide nourishment for young families to survive ...... however, I do really get a little disenchanted when I see parents covered in £1000's worth of tattoo's, smoking cigs at a tenner a packet and networking with their mates on their iPhone 11's, whilst shoving their offspring forward with the other hand, starving because they haven't had any breakfast... They have lost any sense of personal responsibility and it's utterly disgusting - try to prioritise your number one life responsibility. FEED YOUR CHILDREN.IMO it is all about priorities.... correctly organised priorities.... just like my parents prioritised...... When I was a kid my family were skint - as were lots of the family's around us. It may have been hid behind closed doors, but I don’t recall anyone not being able to feed their kids. True, we didn’t eat like kings and we maybe ate cheaper meats and loads of veg and spuds because they were cheap... but we ate well. I have (and still could) easily feed a young adult/child on less than £20 p/w - including treats. It doesn't cost much to eat -healthy food is available and buying it should be the first priority not the last.Unfortunately we have a generation of crap parents that are being led by a nanny state... which in turn will/have produced crap parents depending on a nanny state. Having kids isn't a right - it's a huge responsibility.Totally agree with every word there.
It really annoys me that we have a society that can't cook at home and then essentially waste money on takeaways and eating out that costs 3 or 4 times the amount that it would to produce a healthier, more filling meal at home. Many can't or don't want to cook, but others are just plain lazy and then complain that they don't have the money to feed their kids. Like it or not there are many 'professional' benefits claimers out there who could do more to ensure their offspring are well fed and watered.....and it might help matters if you didn't see them smoking & drinking regularly, and have the latest phones, wide screen TV, Sky package etc. It's a real shame that kids go starving and in this "comfortable" society we live in there's the need for food banks to provide nourishment for young families to survive ...... however, I do really get a little disenchanted when I see parents covered in £1000's worth of tattoo's, smoking cigs at a tenner a packet and networking with their mates on their iPhone 11's, whilst shoving their offspring forward with the other hand, starving because they haven't had any breakfast... They have lost any sense of personal responsibility and it's utterly disgusting - try to prioritise your number one life responsibility. FEED YOUR CHILDREN.IMO it is all about priorities.... correctly organised priorities.... just like my parents prioritised...... When I was a kid my family were skint - as were lots of the family's around us. It may have been hid behind closed doors, but I don’t recall anyone not being able to feed their kids. True, we didn’t eat like kings and we maybe ate cheaper meats and loads of veg and spuds because they were cheap... but we ate well. I have (and still could) easily feed a young adult/child on less than £20 p/w - including treats. It doesn't cost much to eat -healthy food is available and buying it should be the first priority not the last.Unfortunately we have a generation of crap parents that are being led by a nanny state... which in turn will/have produced crap parents depending on a nanny state. Having kids isn't a right - it's a huge responsibility.
Maybe now would be a good time to arrange a joint donation to a local food bank?
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on October 22, 2020, 02:18:34 pmQuote from: wilts rover on October 22, 2020, 12:59:22 pmOver the summer the taxpayer subsidised families, however wealthy, going out for a meal via the Eat Out to Help Out Scheme.Taxpayers subsidise the cafes and restaraunts in the HoC where MP's earn £80 000 a year.Why is it the country can't provide meals for children whose parents have been made redundant, or had their wages cut due to no fault of their own, over the half-term holidays again?Why can't councils use the funds they receive for unused school meals and keep at full profit?Because they are not allowed. Neither are schools. That's what yesterdys vote was about that the Tory's voted against - extending provision of a service.There is no left-over money anyway. Our school precept is decided by a number of criteria and the number of children on roll entitled to FSM is one of them. We then allocate the budget on that. It doesn't matter if the children eat the meals or not - or even leave - the money has been and gone before the year even starts.
Quote from: wilts rover on October 22, 2020, 12:59:22 pmOver the summer the taxpayer subsidised families, however wealthy, going out for a meal via the Eat Out to Help Out Scheme.Taxpayers subsidise the cafes and restaraunts in the HoC where MP's earn £80 000 a year.Why is it the country can't provide meals for children whose parents have been made redundant, or had their wages cut due to no fault of their own, over the half-term holidays again?Why can't councils use the funds they receive for unused school meals and keep at full profit?
Over the summer the taxpayer subsidised families, however wealthy, going out for a meal via the Eat Out to Help Out Scheme.Taxpayers subsidise the cafes and restaraunts in the HoC where MP's earn £80 000 a year.Why is it the country can't provide meals for children whose parents have been made redundant, or had their wages cut due to no fault of their own, over the half-term holidays again?
Anyone who thinks it's ok for the government to spend £150m on unusable PPE masks, or £500m so families can eat out for half-price, or give £13.8m to a ferry company with no ferries, but won't spend anything to ensure kids don't go hungry over the coming school holidays, is a scumbag. And don't try to convince anyone otherwise; just go look in the mirror and admit it to yourself - your are a scumbag.
Quote from: bobjimwilly on October 22, 2020, 11:43:34 pmAnyone who thinks it's ok for the government to spend £150m on unusable PPE masks, or £500m so families can eat out for half-price, or give £13.8m to a ferry company with no ferries, but won't spend anything to ensure kids don't go hungry over the coming school holidays, is a scumbag. And don't try to convince anyone otherwise; just go look in the mirror and admit it to yourself - your are a scumbag.As an aside and putting the correctness of the point to one side. BJW here illustrates why a lot of ppl, myself included, are reluctant to support Labour, the "if you don't agree with me you're scum" attitude of many on that side
Quote from: Ldr on October 23, 2020, 10:22:02 amQuote from: bobjimwilly on October 22, 2020, 11:43:34 pmAnyone who thinks it's ok for the government to spend £150m on unusable PPE masks, or £500m so families can eat out for half-price, or give £13.8m to a ferry company with no ferries, but won't spend anything to ensure kids don't go hungry over the coming school holidays, is a scumbag. And don't try to convince anyone otherwise; just go look in the mirror and admit it to yourself - your are a scumbag.As an aside and putting the correctness of the point to one side. BJW here illustrates why a lot of ppl, myself included, are reluctant to support Labour, the "if you don't agree with me you're scum" attitude of many on that sideHer aunty had recently died from covid, and that bas**rd labelled her opportunistic, and then made an attempt at faux outrage when he tried to turn it round, probably difficult for her to control her disgust after labelling her aunty’s death as opportunistic, but at the end of the day what she said was correct, they are scum
Quote from: Axholme Lion on October 22, 2020, 03:36:05 pmQuote from: MachoMadness on October 22, 2020, 03:22:41 pmYou do know that this is all happening under capitalism, don't you? I was starting to think there were a few things even you wouldn't use to bait the lefties, BB. Obviously starving kids isn't one of them.MM, this often doesn't go down well with your generation, but there's a difference between being skint and just about managing as you describe and being below the poverty line. This generation is going through hardships that yours couldn't even imagine. Most parents in poverty are in work - https://www.jrf.org.uk/report/what-has-driven-rise-work-poverty - some in several jobs. Many are on insecure zero hour contracts. There's no safety net there for them. If you ate well, you were lucky. Privileged. Kids today are not so lucky. I assure you, you're getting annoyed at the wrong thing.If you have an iPhone, loads of tattoos and smoke cigs you are not in poverty. That is a life choice on how you spend money. I don't have a phone, computer or foreign holidays, I put my money into my home, it is my life choice.Just out of interest AL but no phone or computer, how do you manage to post on here?
Quote from: Filo on October 23, 2020, 10:35:47 amQuote from: Ldr on October 23, 2020, 10:22:02 amQuote from: bobjimwilly on October 22, 2020, 11:43:34 pmAnyone who thinks it's ok for the government to spend £150m on unusable PPE masks, or £500m so families can eat out for half-price, or give £13.8m to a ferry company with no ferries, but won't spend anything to ensure kids don't go hungry over the coming school holidays, is a scumbag. And don't try to convince anyone otherwise; just go look in the mirror and admit it to yourself - your are a scumbag.As an aside and putting the correctness of the point to one side. BJW here illustrates why a lot of ppl, myself included, are reluctant to support Labour, the "if you don't agree with me you're scum" attitude of many on that sideHer aunty had recently died from covid, and that bas**rd labelled her opportunistic, and then made an attempt at faux outrage when he tried to turn it round, probably difficult for her to control her disgust after labelling her aunty’s death as opportunistic, but at the end of the day what she said was correct, they are scumComplete missing of my point
Quote from: Ldr on October 23, 2020, 10:44:29 amQuote from: Filo on October 23, 2020, 10:35:47 amQuote from: Ldr on October 23, 2020, 10:22:02 amQuote from: bobjimwilly on October 22, 2020, 11:43:34 pmAnyone who thinks it's ok for the government to spend £150m on unusable PPE masks, or £500m so families can eat out for half-price, or give £13.8m to a ferry company with no ferries, but won't spend anything to ensure kids don't go hungry over the coming school holidays, is a scumbag. And don't try to convince anyone otherwise; just go look in the mirror and admit it to yourself - your are a scumbag.As an aside and putting the correctness of the point to one side. BJW here illustrates why a lot of ppl, myself included, are reluctant to support Labour, the "if you don't agree with me you're scum" attitude of many on that sideHer aunty had recently died from covid, and that bas**rd labelled her opportunistic, and then made an attempt at faux outrage when he tried to turn it round, probably difficult for her to control her disgust after labelling her aunty’s death as opportunistic, but at the end of the day what she said was correct, they are scumComplete missing of my pointQuite deliberately as well no doubt. But did you really think for a minute a tory supporter would ever deny that a PM giving billions to his mates was anything other than a scumbag