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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: selby on February 19, 2018, 08:31:06 am
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The surprise team of the season to me, in the home game early in the season they looked the complete one dimension team, booting the ball up field to a big fella, aggressive, fit, and big units throughout the team, much like Plymouth, who have also done remarkably well when I thought they were nailed on to struggle to stay in this division.
When Rochdale are in relegation trouble playing decent football it shows there are a number of ways to win matches.
Both defences are organised in defence, and have big units who are very dangerous at set pieces,
and wide men who provide an outlet, and get the ball across goal for strikers to attack.
In our game at the K.M. we were the best side, and they were aided by a referee who shut his eyes when hands met ball in the box, and tackles from behind.
I genuinely thought they would struggle playing their brand of football, and after relegation last season were in danger of going down again.
They have certainly proved me wrong, and are on a fantastic run of results, and have just outplayed Shrewsbury, who gave us the run around in the first half a couple of weeks ago.
David Ball up front has given us trouble in the past, and Newell has played well when I have seen him play. Ajayi and Wood are solid defenders, and we will have to play well against a well drilled 4 4 2 formation.
Would you go with the same team?
Are you going to the game?
How do you see it playing out as a game?
Are we capable of resisting a physical challenge?
Can we upset the odds and bring their unbeaten run to an end?
Please feel free to discuss?
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I think barring injuries we must start with the same team.
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I don't really see how you can change that starting XI unless there are any injuries. Given that Rotherham play 4-4-2 it would probably be best to try and match them up. If we do go for three CBs then Baudry is a must. Though I would start 4-4-2 and change during the game if needed.
The win on Saturday was much needed as I wouldn't like to be meeting confident opponents on the back of a defeat or home draw.
Local derbies can be odd things and I think we are capable of nicking something if we defend well.
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Morning selby, I am not sure you are right when you say we were the better team the last time we played them, unless of course you mean purely from a keep it on the floor footballing perspective.
I agree that their agricultural long ball approach wasn’t pretty but in reality the game could have been over by half time had they taken their chances.
I am going to the New York on Saturday to see the return match and I reckon we will manage a draw.
I think that Rotherham are unbeaten in a dozen games now so maybe it will be unlucky thirteen for them.
Hopefully DF will stick with the 4-4-2 that our current available players are more accustomed to and also to match up the opposition.
Same starting team if everyone is fit.
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Why would we go to 3 centre backs. Please tell me what advantage that will give us? I can give 4/5 reasons for not playing it.
I genuinely think and HOPE he will now stick with a flat back 4.
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Dreading this.
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Only change I would make is play Mason at right back and Garrett at left back. Leave out Alcock.
Mason was outstanding on the left against Fleetwood but they did not have a quick or trick right winger. Rotherham are a different kettle of fish altogether and a balance of having a left footer will help.
Having said that DF won’t do it because he seems to have a problem wit Garrett at the moment. Is it justified I don’t know. We’ve had the same with Mandeville haven’t we. Forgotten men. Reason???
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Mandeville just hasn't performed, also we don't see them every day in training so don't know what their attitude etc is like on a daily basis.
Only advantage of 3-5-2 is having the extra man in the middle of the park enabling us to try and control the game.
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Mandeville just hasn't performed, also we don't see them every day in training so don't know what their attitude etc is like on a daily basis.
Only advantage of 3-5-2 is having the extra man in the middle of the park enabling us to try and control the game.
Niether of the two new CB's have any pace, it would be a disaster playing 3 at the back, especially if they have quick tricky wingers, they'd effectivley push our wingbacks back and we'd lose the midfield battle
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We will be tested by Rotherham which we were not by Fleetwood, i hope we go at them because we will probably need 3 goals to beat them.
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They appear to score a lot from crosses so we need to be aware of that. The opportunity with them likely coming at us has to be on the break with Kiwomya. Get the tactics right we have the players to win this game.
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We definitely need to start the same team on Saturday. Having defenders across the back line was vital and it was nice to see mason have a good game at left back after his recent struggles.
I think it’s important playing McCullough in DM again too as he made us strong on Saturday (not taking anything away from Houghton either as I just think he’s had a few bad games and needs a rest).
Kiwomya made a massive impact too and I was really impressed with him so hopefully he will keep fit and kick on.
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Morning selby, I am not sure you are right when you say we were the better team the last time we played them, unless of course you mean purely from a keep it on the floor footballing perspective.
I agree that their agricultural long ball approach wasn’t pretty but in reality the game could have been over by half time had they taken their chances.
I am going to the New York on Saturday to see the return match and I reckon we will manage a draw.
I think that Rotherham are unbeaten in a dozen games now so maybe it will be unlucky thirteen for them.
Hopefully DF will stick with the 4-4-2 that our current available players are more accustomed to and also to match up the opposition.
Same starting team if everyone is fit.
Fully agree with all of this Hound.
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A good shout that Campsall, the audible groan from sections of the crowd when Alcock was being outpaced down the line in the first half was ominous.
Having said that he did OK especially in the ariel battles, but as we saw after the Scunthorpe game,he has not put a run of good games together for a while, and has been prone to costly mistakes in a few of his games.
That is the best Mason has played on the left, but Fleetwood did not exactly play wide that much, and were looking very short of confidence.
Hound, the hand ball by Wood in the first half was blatant, as was the trip on Marquis in the second half, both should have been penalties, and we would have been out of sight.
It will be a lot harder game on Saturday, with much better and in form wide players.
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We've now sold our allocation for Saturday.
Keep the team the same for me. If it's not broke, why change it. Don't think we really came out of 1st gear on Saturday but that was down to how poor Fleetwood were.
That team can play better. Quietly confident we can get a good result on Saturday!
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Keep the team the same for me. If it's not broke, why change it.
Kaizen principals would suggest that this is not the best approach. The British car industry had the same attitude post war and that's why most of the world is now driving foreign built cars.
Rather than if it ain't broke don't fix it I would suggest that we should always be looking for ways to improve performance. Certainly any good management philosophy should find a way to deal with new challenges and I doubt Rotherham will be the patsies that Fleetwood turned out to be.
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Mandeville just hasn't performed, also we don't see them every day in training so don't know what their attitude etc is like on a daily basis.
Only advantage of 3-5-2 is having the extra man in the middle of the park enabling us to try and control the game.
It doesn’t work though does it. We don’t have the players to carry it through do we.
Before you say we have won playing that system, yes we have correct, but we have lost 4 times as many games in the last 28 months playing it.
Question Dickos because you insist on bringing up the wing back extra midfielder etc. Do you think our players prefer playing that system. All I want is a yes or no please. I don’t want any waffle, no political answer. Yes or no?
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Mandeville just hasn't performed, also we don't see them every day in training so don't know what their attitude etc is like on a daily basis.
Only advantage of 3-5-2 is having the extra man in the middle of the park enabling us to try and control the game.
Niether of the two new CB's have any pace, it would be a disaster playing 3 at the back, especially if they have quick tricky wingers, they'd effectivley push our wingbacks back and we'd lose the midfield battle
Thankyou Filo.
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Looking forward to it, we tough game but we can win this and have the bragging rights
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The surprise team of the season to me, in the home game early in the season they looked the complete one dimension team, booting the ball up field to a big fella, aggressive, fit, and big units throughout the team, much like Plymouth, who have also done remarkably well when I thought they were nailed on to struggle to stay in this division.
When Rochdale are in relegation trouble playing decent football it shows there are a number of ways to win matches.
Both defences are organised in defence, and have big units who are very dangerous at set pieces,
and wide men who provide an outlet, and get the ball across goal for strikers to attack.
In our game at the K.M. we were the best side, and they were aided by a referee who shut his eyes when hands met ball in the box, and tackles from behind.
I genuinely thought they would struggle playing their brand of football, and after relegation last season were in danger of going down again.
They have certainly proved me wrong, and are on a fantastic run of results, and have just outplayed Shrewsbury, who gave us the run around in the first half a couple of weeks ago.
David Ball up front has given us trouble in the past, and Newell has played well when I have seen him play. Ajayi and Wood are solid defenders, and we will have to play well against a well drilled 4 4 2 formation.
Would you go with the same team?
Are you going to the game?
How do you see it playing out as a game?
Are we capable of resisting a physical challenge?
Can we upset the odds and bring their unbeaten run to an end?
Please feel free to discuss?
You're not wrong Selby. At the time played at the KM I thought we were in a relegation scrap.
When lost Moore firstly for 3 games whilst he was suspended and then for good when he was recalled by Ipswich I thought we were doomed
But we changed our formation to suit, so rather than as you say hoofing it to Moore, we started to play a more passing game building from the back and using the full backs to get down the wings and we've come on
Leaps and bounds.
One of those strange situations where a club loses their best player but the team on the whole improve 4 fold.
Not sure what to expect from Doncaster on Saturday, I've heard you're iffy from set pieces, especially ones that are played into the 6 yard box. So hopefully Warne will have his players working on that.
Let's hope we'll firstly we win and secondly it goes off without incident.
Enjoy your day Saturday but not too much ;-)
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Mandeville just hasn't performed, also we don't see them every day in training so don't know what their attitude etc is like on a daily basis.
Only advantage of 3-5-2 is having the extra man in the middle of the park enabling us to try and control the game.
It doesn’t work though does it. We don’t have the players to carry it through do we.
Before you say we have won playing that system, yes we have correct, but we have lost 4 times as many games in the last 28 months playing it.
Question Dickos because you insist on bringing up the wing back extra midfielder etc. Do you think our players prefer playing that system. All I want is a yes or no please. I don’t want any waffle, no political answer. Yes or no?
Calm down you wally, you'll do yourself some damage.
I guarantee some player will prefer playing this system, centre midfielders will, baudry will,
Where's the evidence we've lost 4 times more games playing the system.
It seems to me you're all for letting people have their opinion as long as its you they're letting.
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Keep the same side as Saturday and we will get hammerd don't forget we played a very poor side in Fleetwood
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Mandeville just hasn't performed, also we don't see them every day in training so don't know what their attitude etc is like on a daily basis.
Only advantage of 3-5-2 is having the extra man in the middle of the park enabling us to try and control the game.
It doesn’t work though does it. We don’t have the players to carry it through do we.
Before you say we have won playing that system, yes we have correct, but we have lost 4 times as many games in the last 28 months playing it.
Question Dickos because you insist on bringing up the wing back extra midfielder etc. Do you think our players prefer playing that system. All I want is a yes or no please. I don’t want any waffle, no political answer. Yes or no?
Calm down you wally, you'll do yourself some damage.
I guarantee some player will prefer playing this system, centre midfielders will, baudry will,
Where's the evidence we've lost 4 times more games playing the system.
It seems to me you're all for letting people have their opinion as long as its you they're letting.
What are you on about. You didn’t answer the question Yes or No. it’s a simple question.
As for losing 4 times as many games playing that system. We played it in about 35 of them in 2015/16 and lost rather a lot. Got relegated. Last season most games probably the same no, we played 4 at the back and if memory serves me right we won a lot. Think we were promoted.
Facts are Facts. You can argue all you like.
Don’t call me Wally. You are being disrespectful ok. I don’t call you names do i.
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It is disrespectful but do as you said you were going to do.
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It is disrespectful but do as you said you were going to do.
He keeps drawing me in and I keep biting. Will I ever learn. :facepalm:
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Mandeville just hasn't performed, also we don't see them every day in training so don't know what their attitude etc is like on a daily basis.
Only advantage of 3-5-2 is having the extra man in the middle of the park enabling us to try and control the game.
It doesn’t work though does it. We don’t have the players to carry it through do we.
Before you say we have won playing that system, yes we have correct, but we have lost 4 times as many games in the last 28 months playing it.
Question Dickos because you insist on bringing up the wing back extra midfielder etc. Do you think our players prefer playing that system. All I want is a yes or no please. I don’t want any waffle, no political answer. Yes or no?
Calm down you wally, you'll do yourself some damage.
I guarantee some player will prefer playing this system, centre midfielders will, baudry will,
Where's the evidence we've lost 4 times more games playing the system.
It seems to me you're all for letting people have their opinion as long as its you they're letting.
What are you on about. You didn’t answer the question Yes or No. it’s a simple question.
As for losing 4 times as many games playing that system. We played it in about 35 of them in 2015/16 and lost rather a lot. Got relegated. Last season most games probably the same no, we played 4 at the back and if memory serves me right we won a lot. Think we were promoted.
Facts are Facts. You can argue all you like.
Don’t call me Wally. You are being disrespectful ok. I don’t call you names do i.
I answered your question!
If you think all players prefer the same system then you're wrong.
As I said central midfielders will prefer 3-5-2 and footballing centre halves such as baudry will too.
No way on this earth did we play 35 games with 3 centre halves when we got relegated nowhere near.
Facts are facts 😂😂😂
You're stating facts by saying if memory serves you right and we played it in about 35 games.
Not really facts then
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playing Luke in the defensive holding midfield role really helped and he won most header which is something we have struggled with all season, he protected the back four as he is stronger than Houghton
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I would keep the same side although the only poss change I might make would be Baudry for Boyle. That said, Baudry has yet to play since his return.
Mason, did well at left back yet again. It may be too big an ask for Garett to step in in such an atmosphere.
I can see Marquis. Kiwomya, Rowe and Copps giving Richard Wood and Co a hard time.
Whatever team starts, we'll have a strong bench so there's no excuse for not giving it everything!
We've nowt to lose although Rotherham are rightful favourites. It should be a cracker!
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I would keep the same team. We’ve just won 3-0 so it’d be daft to make changes on the back of that.
I’m a big Houghton fan but he’s had a dip in form and McCullough has the shirt on merit. It’s all part of the learning curve for young players. Houghton and Whiteman will get their chances again and come back stronger for it. But for now we keep the same side - same logic as above applies with Lawlor.
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Defo keep same team, consistency is important.
I think our front 4 or 5 can hurt any side in this league
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It could be set up for Whiteman to come on with the game in the balance and score a 25 yard screamer!
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What we don’t want to do is concede in the first 5 mins. Shit that’s done it, we’ll be 2-0 down after 2 corners in the first 5 mins now I’ve written that
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What we don’t want to do is concede in the first 5 mins. Shit that’s done it, we’ll be 2-0 down after 2 corners in the first 5 mins now I’ve written that
Dont worry, i dont think Nostradamus has anything to worry about. :lol:
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It looks like there is going to be a full house for this game, so it will be a bit of a special atmosphere, and lots of local pride at stake.
Both camps seem to be free of any injuries, and Rotherham must be going into this game absolutely full of confidence.
The Rovers fans have accepted that in this particular game we are up against it, but that is when very often we raise to the occasion, and play above ourselves.
All I ask is that we give everything both on the field, and supporting our team, and everyone has a great afternoon watching a great game, and get home safely.
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Wouldn’t say having 2 of your best centre backs out is free of any injuries!
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Nick,I agree, but was commenting on the teams as fielded last week, having said that both loan players are signed on with teams playing at a higher standard than we are at, and I don't see the need to get in excuses before the game.
In Baudries case, we have ignored our best defender for a couple of matches, so they must be doing something right, or we have to play them, if that is the case, it will become more apparent with the return of Butler and Wright, seeing as we have them until the end of the season.
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I would keep the same side although the only poss change I might make would be Baudry for Boyle. That said, Baudry has yet to play since his return.
Mason, did well at left back yet again. It may be too big an ask for Garett to step in in such an atmosphere.
I can see Marquis. Kiwomya, Rowe and Copps giving Richard Wood and Co a hard time.
Whatever team starts, we'll have a strong bench so there's no excuse for not giving it everything!
We've nowt to lose although Rotherham are rightful favourites. It should be a cracker!
Spot on with Baudry for Boyle (for me).
Think Marquis has to be at his bullying best as the Rotherham back line is so raw (Ajayi, Ihiekwe & Emmanuel) apart from Wood who got that OG of course.
Beestin glancing header last minute, anyone?
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I would keep the same side although the only poss change I might make would be Baudry for Boyle. That said, Baudry has yet to play since his return.
Mason, did well at left back yet again. It may be too big an ask for Garett to step in in such an atmosphere.
I can see Marquis. Kiwomya, Rowe and Copps giving Richard Wood and Co a hard time.
Whatever team starts, we'll have a strong bench so there's no excuse for not giving it everything!
We've nowt to lose although Rotherham are rightful favourites. It should be a cracker!
Spot on with Baudry for Boyle (for me).
Think Marquis has to be at his bullying best as the Rotherham back line is so raw (Ajayi, Ihiekwe & Emmanuel) apart from Wood who got that OG of course.
Beestin glancing header last minute, anyone?
97th min penalty winner from Mason. That will do nicely thank you. :clapping:
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Alfie Beestin could hold the key to us getting anything out of this game, the lad looks like he is going to be a good player, and impressed carrying the ball at the defenders last week, but he has not been quite as impressive in the last few away games.
I would like to see him just drop back a little, to link up and play alongside McCollough, pushing Rowe and Coppinger up just behind Marquis, where they can collect the ball on the half turn and take on,and keep their full backs stretched and more defensive.
If this creates space for him to run into inside he could be a real threat, as their central defenders are not the quickest on the turn, and when they have the ball gives us a chance to tuck in and put men between the goal and the ball.
What do you think?
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Alfie Beestin could hold the key to us getting anything out of this game, the lad looks like he is going to be a good player, and impressed carrying the ball at the defenders last week, but he has not been quite as impressive in the last few away games.
I would like to see him just drop back a little, to link up and play alongside McCollough, pushing Rowe and Coppinger up just behind Marquis, where they can collect the ball on the half turn and take on,and keep their full backs stretched and more defensive.
If this creates space for him to run into inside he could be a real threat, as their central defenders are not the quickest on the turn, and when they have the ball gives us a chance to tuck in and put men between the goal and the ball.
What do you think?
Think at the moment Beestin’s best position is as you say on the right of a 3 in the midfield or on the right of 4 in midfield.
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Sorry Brian I added my post on to the bottom of yours by mistake.
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I wonder if Lee acka bushy is a real example of the education standard of the Rotherham area.
From his rants on radio Dee Dah, he seems to be a level headed well educated scrote of the highest order.
Good natured banter and informed statements I can take in, but he takes being a complete pillock to a whole new level.
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The Rotherham manager is hoping that Towell, Vaulks, Mattock, and Forday will come through fitness tests and be available for selection after carrying injuries earlier in the week.
A warning to supporters from the police is that dogs trained to sniff out Pyrotechnics and drugs will be in operation at entrances before the game, and anyone found with these objects on their person will be denied access to the ground.
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Mandeville just hasn't performed, also we don't see them every day in training so don't know what their attitude etc is like on a daily basis.
Only advantage of 3-5-2 is having the extra man in the middle of the park enabling us to try and control the game.
Niether of the two new CB's have any pace, it would be a disaster playing 3 at the back, especially if they have quick tricky wingers, they'd effectivley push our wingbacks back and we'd lose the midfield battle
how do you work that out with that goal line clearance Anderson did with the ground he covered in no time
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Mandeville just hasn't performed, also we don't see them every day in training so don't know what their attitude etc is like on a daily basis.
Only advantage of 3-5-2 is having the extra man in the middle of the park enabling us to try and control the game.
Niether of the two new CB's have any pace, it would be a disaster playing 3 at the back, especially if they have quick tricky wingers, they'd effectivley push our wingbacks back and we'd lose the midfield battle
how do you work that out with that goal line clearance Anderson did with the ground he covered in no time
He caught up because the attacker was checked in his run by rounding the keeper
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Still an excellent last ditch clearance, and showed that he is combative, and willing to get back to defend, and he was not slow in doing so.
A great bit of defending, but also a bad miss.
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Still an excellent last ditch clearance, and showed that he is combative, and willing to get back to defend, and he was not slow in doing so.
A great bit of defending, but also a bad miss.
It was exactly as you said - a real combabative challenge - busting a gut to defend - and a howling miss though not as bad a Sanchez did a day or two later
I think (as pundits say) that this game is difficult to call and this is shown on PvO where the Forum Members have gone RU 18 DR 11 Draw 11.
Its potentially a sell out and that may work against RU - and lets hope they go home thinking and saying "why do we always reserve our worst performances for our Local Derbies and just when we gat a massive crowd"
Anything can happen or a Jeff Stelling says "anything does happen" I have gone 3-1 to the Millers but would be delighted to see a bland awful non entertaining 0-0
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It int a potential sell out, it is a total sell out
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Well the banter is in full flow with my Rotherham mates. Outwardly, outrageously confident of a big win but inwardly, bricking it!
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Selby.
Lee the self appointed Rotherham spokesman is really alienating himself by slagging off our town, Barnsley FC and the Wendies.
We wlll keep it sensible and let him gloat, for now. He's already said 6/0 so anything less will be humiliating for the "man ".
I've been chatting with several sensible Rotherham fans who still think the home team will win comfortably but distance themselves from Lee.
If we can sort out our aerial defence then I think it's game on and let our attack and midfield do the talking.
We will be outnumbered about 9,000 to 2,600. Let's stick together even if we go behind. We have some very intelligent players in Rowe, Copps and young Beestin who can turn a game.
I love being outnumbered at footy and I'm sure we can all recall 50 k v 20 K at Wembley against.... whoever it was. Champs of Europe or something.
We sent them packing and despite the fact this team ain't as good we have hope, desire and the passion to tiddle on their strawberries in their own front garden.
In Donny I believe. We've took on bigger giants and stayed them and remember not many Rotherham fans are like Lee.
Banter yes, abuse no. RTID.
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Who on earth is Lee?
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Some cock who rings into Radio Sheffield.
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Rovers 7/1 with William Hills,to win and both teams to score
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Listening to the Rotherham supporters on radio dee dah we may as well not turn up,they are going to brush us aside.
Unfortunately I will be surprised if their manager is as daft as to believe that. If they do go gung ho there is a good chance they will get beaten. Every team over the last few seasons who have played an expansive game against us, we have given them a hard game, utilising the freedom we get in midfield, the teams that play holding players in midfield, stifling our better players we struggle against.
Playing wing backs could very well play into our hands tomorrow, especially if Kiwomya and Marquis can exploit their full back areas, and we can get Rowe and Coppinger on the ball, and Beestin and McCollough can settle the midfield area down.
If the game gets stretched, and our back line mark tight I fancy us to get something out of the game.
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I can see this all going Pete Tong!
When fans come on the media mouthing like some my fellow millers have this week it never ends well.
They seem to think Rovers will be a walk over but you've had some good results this season, like Blackburn away, so you've got the performance in your locker.
I've got a bad feeling about tomorrow
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F.M. I can take a defeat if we play well in a good game, well contested, and not decided by poor officiating.
I can honestly say you have won more games than us in the games I have watched between us, but they have mostly been good games to watch apart from the last one at the K.M.
I hope we win tomorrow, and some of the vitriol from your supporters deserve it, but wish you well, and hope you get to the promised land after tomorrow that is.
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A warning to supporters from the police is that dogs trained to sniff out Pyrotechnics and drugs will be in operation at entrances before the game, and anyone found with these objects on their person will be denied access to the ground.
Yay..... let’s see if that works then.
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I can see this all going Pete Tong!
When fans come on the media mouthing like some my fellow millers have this week it never ends well.
They seem to think Rovers will be a walk over but you've had some good results this season, like Blackburn away, so you've got the performance in your locker.
I've got a bad feeling about tomorrow
Thanks for your contribution; you are right to worry that this could all go wrong for your lot.
We like nothing better than being taken for granted and dismissed as ‘no hopers’.
We’ve got nothing to lose really have we?
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Just got no confidence with Anderson and Boyle. My dog could have kept a clean sheet against Fleetwood.
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Baudry will play tomorrow. I guarantee it.
The only question is if Fergie will go with a three or four. If he does go with a three he needs to find a way to get Coppinger, Rowe and Beestin in offensive positions. Because that's the way we will win the game.
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Hoped Baudry wouldn't play. He was one of the Orient players who missed a penalty in the playoff final and will have a score to settle.
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Even though its the only change I might make, I'd still hold Baudry back. He'll be rusty whereas, the two new lads have got up to speed. Rotherham will be trying to chuck the ball in the box with gay a bond on, so stick with the first back 5 from last week.
If it's a stop start game we lose, if it's flowing game we win!
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Some cock who rings into Radio Sheffield.
He's a cock ring :ohmy:
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Idd go same line up as last week apart from baudry in for Boyce.
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Lawlor for Marosi every time.
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Lawlor for Marosi every time.
With the amount of balls they will throw into the box, I'd prefer a keeper that comes off his line and catches them
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Yes i agree thats why i ptefer Lawlor.
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Yes i agree thats why i ptefer Lawlor.
You must be seeing a different Lawlor, he does n't catch crosses and rarely leaves his line to attempt to catch them
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But he makes fantastic saves that Marosi can only dream of.
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Just got no confidence with Anderson and Boyle. My dog could have kept a clean sheet against Fleetwood.
So what did they do wrong then?
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Baudry will play tomorrow. I guarantee it.
The only question is if Fergie will go with a three or four. If he does go with a three he needs to find a way to get Coppinger, Rowe and Beestin in offensive positions. Because that's the way we will win the game.
If he goes back to a three again at the back, then I think DF will have still not learnt from the past and it would then seem he will never learn from mistakes. We do not have rage players to play it effectively as I keep saying over and over again. IF IT ISNT BROKE DONT TRY AND FIX IT.
PLAEASE PLEASE
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That should have read ‘the not rage’
Don’t know where that came from. Although I will be in a RAGE if DF plays a 3/5 again.
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But he makes fantastic saves that Marosi can only dream of.
Makes cock ups that Marosi can only dream of, as well.
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But he makes fantastic saves that Marosi can only dream of.
You're only as good as your last game, Lawlor goals conceded 3, Marosi goals conceded 0
Lawlor also lets in goals that a Sunday League keeper should save
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Just got no confidence with Anderson and Boyle. My dog could have kept a clean sheet against Fleetwood.
Give credit when it's due even if you've got prejudice against them.
Two goals our centre half scored and kept a clean sheet yet you're slagging him off
Crazy
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The only thing Lawlor has to do is get better, work hard and improve on what he is poor at.
Marosi has earnt the shirt, and it is his to lose, he stuck with it and got the reward of the first team spot. Today is his biggest moment in his career up to press, and a big test for him, with his current contract I think up for renewal at the end of this season.
For the first time in years we have two good goalkeepers, lets hope they push each other to be even better. the club will be the beneficiaries if they do.
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But he makes fantastic saves that Marosi can only dream of.
You're only as good as your last game, Lawlor goals conceded 3, Marosi goals conceded 0
Lawlor also lets in goals that a Sunday League keeper should save
It's probably cos we bought one of them off City and the other is a Wigan reject. :laugh:
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An interesting aside to this game is the approach and styles of the two managers, one not really a recognisable face outside the Rotherham area, and was somewhat pushed into the job because of his connections with the club.
And one with a very recognisable surname, that I am sure he has found at times a hinderense as much as he has found it a benefit.
The styles on the field seam also to differ quite a bit, one fairly basic get it forward, big very fit players and play down the channels and turn defenders.
The other, more technical, with players expected to play, and change formations quite regularly even during a game in progress.
While accepting that the more basic style can be, and is successful at league one level,not many teams who have gone up a level have cemented a regular place in the championship, while more technical sides like Swansea and Bournmouth have even gone up to the Premiership.
So I put it to you that, without a big change in personnel, and style , if Rotherham do go up are they likely to fail again badly at that level, or would a longer gradual improvement in technique and personnel be the better long term choice.
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They're earning the chance to go up by doing what's necessary to get out of League One. Anything after that is a bonus.
I too would stick with Marosi. To drop him after such a calming performance would be bad management.
It's a lovely day for football, let's hope at least one team plays some!
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But he makes fantastic saves that Marosi can only dream of.
Marosi makes the same saves, like the one in the 74th minute last week.
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Setting off now. Come on the Rovers let’s have smiling faces at 5.55pm
I would just love it if we win, love it. :scarf:
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Two predictions after watching probably the worst footballing side to be in the top half of this division.
1) if they do not replace 90% of that team they will come straight back down
2) It will be with less points than last season.
Having said that I don't think they will go up.
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They may have been poor today but you can't argue with their recent results
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Baudry will play tomorrow. I guarantee it.
The only question is if Fergie will go with a three or four. If he does go with a three he needs to find a way to get Coppinger, Rowe and Beestin in offensive positions. Because that's the way we will win the game.
What sort of guarantee was that then?
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The same guarantee Fergie gave Middleton, Lund, and Mandeville.
The next out of the picture.
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He can't just expect to waltz back into the starting 11. Everyone said keep the same team for today
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There are plenty of comments on this thread suggesting potential changes for the Rotherham game. Everyone did not say keep the same team.
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There are plenty of comments on this thread suggesting potential changes for the Rotherham game. Everyone did not say keep the same team.
That is a fact.
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There are plenty of comments on this thread suggesting potential changes for the Rotherham game. Everyone did not say keep the same team.
The vast majority then
Including hound
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There are plenty of comments on this thread suggesting potential changes for the Rotherham game. Everyone did not say keep the same team.
The vast majority then
Including hound
So not everyone then as you had said.
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Dear me!
Which is why I've just changed it to the vast majority.
You were one of the ones saying keep the same team, along with almost everybody else
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So what, what are you saying.
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I'm saying the vast majority of people said keep the same team. You included.
And now some are suggesting baudry should've started.
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I'm saying the vast majority of people said keep the same team. You included.
And now some are suggesting baudry should've started.
Not me.
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I never said anything about you.
You jumped on looking for an arguement as per usual
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I never said anything about you.
You jumped on looking for an arguement as per usual
No I didn’t.
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Ok,
I'm sure people can read for themselves!
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Ok,
I'm sure people can read for themselves!
Yep, I am sure they can.
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Yawn
Knock it off, you two.
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This seasons reliance on inexperienced players up against seasoned League 1 campaigners is what’s proving to be too difficult to watch . DF is building for tomorrow and it shows . Today showed our limits . A frustrating game in every aspect. We dominated the possession for nearly all of the first 55 minutes then the loss of Alexander took too long to sort out and they gain momentum, we loose another thorn in their side in Beasten and they gain again , and finally we take off Copps and its game set and match. DF had no luck he had to make changes if players get hurt and those he brought on did ok . But if you change to a player (Houghton )who due to lack of form isn’t as good as the player your taking off ( Copps) then DF has to see what’s happening and learn if Copps ain’t broken KEEP him ON!!!
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According to DFP, Copps DF said Copps was cramping up but he didn't look in distress and had signalled earlier he was OK. For me, Copps being brought off has such a psychological effect. A negative one for us and a positive one for the opposition players. The build up for their penalty included chances for us to keep the ball out of harms way and you can't help but think Copps would have helped to keep it up our end. Game over 1=1 honours even.
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A few observations:
Marosi gives more confidence than Lawlor in the way he comes off his line to deal with balls into the box. Lawlor really needs to develop this area of his game or it’ll cost us and him. Although Marosi is the smaller of the two, he strangely looks more physically imposing and exerts more authority. I suspect Marosi will be (harshly) dropped for the next game after his admittedly stupid challenge that gave away the penalty.
Alcock was excellent at right back. He is the only natural right back in the squad and should keep the shirt in that position for the remainder of the season.
Anderson and Boyle were faultless. We missed Anderson when he went off as he quietly won everything that went near him and did all the basics well. I hope he is ok. Wright also defended well after his introduction, until that inexplicable moment that ultimately cost us the game.
We probably missed McCullough in the middle of the park. Whiteman did not dominate at all in the holding role. Houghton would have been preferable in the absence of McCullough. We need Whiteman to be affecting games in the area he’s best - in and around the opposition box.
Coppinger is still head and shoulders above most players at this level. Technique and composure stood out a mile in what was, all in all, a pretty poor quality game of football.
Marquis took his goal brilliantly, that’s now double figures I think? And he put his usual huge shift in. He’s such an important player for us and he looked as gutted as the fans at the end. That means something.
Kiwomya did well for our goal but otherwise did not give them enough to think about. Too easily shrugged off the ball at times. Maybe we need to be better at utilising his pace, but when he had the opportunity to really stretch them he didn’t take it. He didn’t affect the game enough over the 90 minutes. Perhaps he just needs to get fit, understandably. But we need a goal threat up there alongside Marquis to ease the pressure on the team.
Rotherham are very one dimensional and did what we knew they would do: Pump balls into the corners, win set pieces and load it into the box. It’s basic, ugly but effective. I cannot for the life of me understand why our game plan seemed to be simply to allow them to pump the ball into our box and waste time when there was a break in play. If we had concentrated on playing our own game they were there for the taking. They were very static at the back and we had the opportunity to try and play around them but we took to just giving them the ball back. So frustrating. Then at 1-1 we showed no intent at all to win the game and seemed sadly content to allow them to continue pumping the ball forward while we tried to hold out.
The game was there for us, they are really not a great side at all and their form is a fairly damning indictment on this division. But we showed them way too much respect and played into their hands by allowing them to put the pressure on that is getting them results. We could have won that game on the front foot but as a team we looked like we were more bothered about trying to hold out and not lose it. Ultimately, as sad as it is to say, I think we probably got what we deserved from it.
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The game changing substitute was bringing Blair on in midfield, a player who is poor in that position, was introduced into a physical battle, and is not that sort of player, a good tackler, or passer of the ball.
He never got into the game, Alcock looked immediately uncomfortable at the back, and Whiteman and Blair started to lose possession.
Another square peg in a round hole, with Baudry sat on the bench, who surely would have been a better option in a defencive role in midfield, is better in the air, a battle we were losing, and can pass the ball.
I am beginning to think he is the next Mandeville, and will be gone in the summer.
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Agree with that Jonathan. We did nearly catch them on the break a few times but we failed to convert. Could easily have been 2 up if Rowe had converted early in second half.
Agree though, their defence was distinctly dodgy and with a bit more composure and purpose, we could have ripped them apart.
There's an ingredient missing from our team and they've got it. That's why we in our respective positions in the league.
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The game changing substitute was bringing Blair on in midfield, a player who is poor in that position, was introduced into a physical battle, and is not that sort of player, a good tackler, or passer of the ball.
He never got into the game, Alcock looked immediately uncomfortable at the back, and Whiteman and Blair started to lose possession.
Another square peg in a round hole, with Baudry sat on the bench, who surely would have been a better option in a defencive role in midfield, is better in the air, a battle we were losing, and can pass the ball.
I am beginning to think he is the next Mandeville, and will be gone in the summer.
What do you mean by the next Mandeville?
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The game changing substitute was bringing Blair on in midfield, a player who is poor in that position, was introduced into a physical battle, and is not that sort of player, a good tackler, or passer of the ball.
He never got into the game, Alcock looked immediately uncomfortable at the back, and Whiteman and Blair started to lose possession.
Another square peg in a round hole, with Baudry sat on the bench, who surely would have been a better option in a defencive role in midfield, is better in the air, a battle we were losing, and can pass the ball.
I am beginning to think he is the next Mandeville, and will be gone in the summer.
What do you mean by the next Mandeville?
I think he means "has fallen out of favour with the manager."
I could see Baudry being allowed to leave and us looking to sign Tom Anderson permanently.
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I thought the right sub was made in the circumstances. Not Baudry for me. Had Wright not had his mind fart, I don't think we'd be as critical.
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I thought the right sub was made in the circumstances. Not Baudry for me. Had Wright not had his mind fart, I don't think we'd be as critical.
I agree. Wright was the like for like - brave, puts his body on the line and has the height to deal with the aerial bombardment. He did everything well until that mindless lapse at the end.
I do like Baudry though. We have some good players in that position when they’re all fit and there could be some difficult decisions in the summer.
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He's been out injured so is just coming back from fitness
He's never been a midfielder so I don't think that would've been a sensible move.
Anderson and Boyle have looked good, if they hadn't then wright and baudry probably would have played
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A few observations:
Marosi gives more confidence than Lawlor in the way he comes off his line to deal with balls into the box. Lawlor really needs to develop this area of his game or it’ll cost us and him. Although Marosi is the smaller of the two, he strangely looks more physically imposing and exerts more authority. I suspect Marosi will be (harshly) dropped for the next game after his admittedly stupid challenge that gave away the penalty.
Alcock was excellent at right back. He is the only natural right back in the squad and should keep the shirt in that position for the remainder of the season.
Anderson and Boyle were faultless. We missed Anderson when he went off as he quietly won everything that went near him and did all the basics well. I hope he is ok. Wright also defended well after his introduction, until that inexplicable moment that ultimately cost us the game.
We probably missed McCullough in the middle of the park. Whiteman did not dominate at all in the holding role. Houghton would have been preferable in the absence of McCullough. We need Whiteman to be affecting games in the area he’s best - in and around the opposition box.
Coppinger is still head and shoulders above most players at this level. Technique and composure stood out a mile in what was, all in all, a pretty poor quality game of football.
Marquis took his goal brilliantly, that’s now double figures I think? And he put his usual huge shift in. He’s such an important player for us and he looked as gutted as the fans at the end. That means something.
Kiwomya did well for our goal but otherwise did not give them enough to think about. Too easily shrugged off the ball at times. Maybe we need to be better at utilising his pace, but when he had the opportunity to really stretch them he didn’t take it. He didn’t affect the game enough over the 90 minutes. Perhaps he just needs to get fit, understandably. But we need a goal threat up there alongside Marquis to ease the pressure on the team.
Rotherham are very one dimensional and did what we knew they would do: Pump balls into the corners, win set pieces and load it into the box. It’s basic, ugly but effective. I cannot for the life of me understand why our game plan seemed to be simply to allow them to pump the ball into our box and waste time when there was a break in play. If we had concentrated on playing our own game they were there for the taking. They were very static at the back and we had the opportunity to try and play around them but we took to just giving them the ball back. So frustrating. Then at 1-1 we showed no intent at all to win the game and seemed sadly content to allow them to continue pumping the ball forward while we tried to hold out.
The game was there for us, they are really not a great side at all and their form is a fairly damning indictment on this division. But we showed them way too much respect and played into their hands by allowing them to put the pressure on that is getting them results. We could have won that game on the front foot but as a team we looked like we were more bothered about trying to hold out and not lose it. Ultimately, as sad as it is to say, I think we probably got what we deserved from it.
Just about as perfect of an observation as it gets this Jonathan. I can’t pick any faults with what you said and agree. We also need to start being better with ball retention as this would have seen out the game yesterday but no one other than copps seem to want to keep the ball away from them.
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Sometimes you can forgive the young ones for giving the ball away after not looking up and picking a player out, but it annoys me when Rowe keeps playing blind passes and flicks when he should be more careful with it. Blair also a when we had a 3 on 3 plays the ball to an empty space. When it's easier to pick out a player or hold on to it.
We have done well with possession football over our recent history, so it's un-Rovers like to see us being so careless at times.
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If McCollough had been fit he would have played in midfield. In fact his ball retention and passing ability makes him our best defensive mid field player with Houghton.
Baudry has the same attributes as a player, is composed on the ball, can pass the ball, and carry the ball out of defence, and is more than decent in the air.
Blair has none of those attributes, or at least in almost two seasons of watching him, I have never picked up on them. He carries the ball well into the oppositions half, is not particularly tricky but pushes the ball past a defender and has the pace to run on. That's all he does well, he is a winger, not a defender or a midfielder.
Fergie has stated at a supporters meeting he does not believe in wingers, with that in mind, and his non ability to play the other positions well, I am sorry to say I cannot see a position for him in our present set up unless people are willing to watch him play like yesterday and contribute nothing to the game. He cannot play well in the positions we are constantly asking him to play in.
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A few observations:
Marosi gives more confidence than Lawlor in the way he comes off his line to deal with balls into the box. Lawlor really needs to develop this area of his game or it’ll cost us and him. Although Marosi is the smaller of the two, he strangely looks more physically imposing and exerts more authority. I suspect Marosi will be (harshly) dropped for the next game after his admittedly stupid challenge that gave away the penalty.
Alcock was excellent at right back. He is the only natural right back in the squad and should keep the shirt in that position for the remainder of the season.
Anderson and Boyle were faultless. We missed Anderson when he went off as he quietly won everything that went near him and did all the basics well. I hope he is ok. Wright also defended well after his introduction, until that inexplicable moment that ultimately cost us the game.
We probably missed McCullough in the middle of the park. Whiteman did not dominate at all in the holding role. Houghton would have been preferable in the absence of McCullough. We need Whiteman to be affecting games in the area he’s best - in and around the opposition box.
Coppinger is still head and shoulders above most players at this level. Technique and composure stood out a mile in what was, all in all, a pretty poor quality game of football.
Marquis took his goal brilliantly, that’s now double figures I think? And he put his usual huge shift in. He’s such an important player for us and he looked as gutted as the fans at the end. That means something.
Kiwomya did well for our goal but otherwise did not give them enough to think about. Too easily shrugged off the ball at times. Maybe we need to be better at utilising his pace, but when he had the opportunity to really stretch them he didn’t take it. He didn’t affect the game enough over the 90 minutes. Perhaps he just needs to get fit, understandably. But we need a goal threat up there alongside Marquis to ease the pressure on the team.
Rotherham are very one dimensional and did what we knew they would do: Pump balls into the corners, win set pieces and load it into the box. It’s basic, ugly but effective. I cannot for the life of me understand why our game plan seemed to be simply to allow them to pump the ball into our box and waste time when there was a break in play. If we had concentrated on playing our own game they were there for the taking. They were very static at the back and we had the opportunity to try and play around them but we took to just giving them the ball back. So frustrating. Then at 1-1 we showed no intent at all to win the game and seemed sadly content to allow them to continue pumping the ball forward while we tried to hold out.
The game was there for us, they are really not a great side at all and their form is a fairly damning indictment on this division. But we showed them way too much respect and played into their hands by allowing them to put the pressure on that is getting them results. We could have won that game on the front foot but as a team we looked like we were more bothered about trying to hold out and not lose it. Ultimately, as sad as it is to say, I think we probably got what we deserved from it.
Jonathan. Question for you what is Mason’s most natural position? I did think that Alcock had one of his best ever games on a Rovers shirt yesterday, but if Mason is going to have a regular place in our team then right back not left back is his position imo. He is not a centre back or midfielder imo.
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With our current batch of players I reckon Mason is the most reliable to play at LB if Alcock is to play the RB role.
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Mason is a tricky one. I really rate him but I don’t think he’s nailed down a position quite yet. Probably a victim of his own versatility there.
Maybe he’s best as a right back, but I thought Alcock was outstanding in that role yesterday and it served as a reminder that we’ve barely played with natural full backs all season. I’d agree that Mason is our best option at left back given Andrew’s injury and Ferguson's clear reluctance to use Garratt (which is a bit of a shame).
Maybe long term Mason will be a right back or a holding midfield player. What is without question is that he’s a very useful part of the squad.
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I do not think we can say the team that started the game was the problem.
McCollough would have surely played if fit instead of Whiteman, and we missed him, Whiteman is not as good a player, but until the injuries we were looking solid, and also looked as if we could nick a second on the break.
As soon as Blair came on they probed nearly every ball down our right side, and he was not in the game, he never tackled, or got on the ball, or competed in the air. We were constantly fire fighting, with no outlet.
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I was just watching a couple of YouTube videos of the game and saw that long throw of Craig Alcock again.
Up to the Rotherham game I have never seen him do that before.
Has anyone else ?