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Title: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: RedRover45 on March 20, 2017, 01:54:38 pm
Ok, this has been debated over the years, and in all probability depends on a voters age and probably whereabouts in Donny we live but with Rotherham and hopefully Scunny being potential opponents next season, let's see which of the local derbies is most appealing and which neighbour we dislike the most.
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: Herman Hessian on March 20, 2017, 01:59:47 pm
that'll teach  me to take so long to put posts together !

however, I will gladly share the extensive background material that would have gone alongside the straight choice between Barnsley and Rotherham...


bear in mind that (rather surprisingly) we have a much better record against Barnsley, so historically we'll have had far more fun ripping it out of their cretinous, six-fingered followers, plus Gough, Parkinson and Bird are despicable individuals in spite of what they may have done for YCCC over the years

Rotherham, of course, are just a bit of a joke, quite why Steve Evans was ever allowed to leave his spiritual home is a travesty - and do they have any "celebrity fans" apart from the chuckle twäts and any number of high profile child abusers ?
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: Bristol Red Rover on March 20, 2017, 02:05:22 pm
Probably the era that I first went regular to games and also being from NW Donny, Barnsley will always be "THE" derby for me, but I can't say I hate the club or even the fans as much as a few of the others on that list.

Lincoln was another one that featured.
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: Bentley Bullet on March 20, 2017, 02:08:52 pm
I honestly can't decide because I treat them all with equal contempt
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: not on facebook on March 20, 2017, 02:28:17 pm
Rotherham bas**rd united

Close the thread

Could put up many battles with them over the years but it's not the right place
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: DonnyOsmond on March 20, 2017, 02:33:35 pm
I'd say our biggest rivals are Scunthorpe/Rotherham then Barnsley. I hate Sheff Weds and Leeds due to their fans in our town and I don't care if they drop down the leagues. Our main rivals though I want to do as well as us. I want as many games against them as possible but I want us to always finish at least one place above them and do the double over them.
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: not on facebook on March 20, 2017, 02:56:48 pm
Who was the main rivals when rovers dropped into the conference ,surely not Scarborough?

Was it more far afield with likes of yeovil or rushden diamonds .
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: esdailles left foot on March 20, 2017, 03:01:15 pm
Blunts are Kitson's of the highest order.
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: Mike_F on March 20, 2017, 03:03:08 pm
That's a good question, Oslo.

In those days, geography became less important in building the rivalries. Rushden and Chester were probably the two biggest rivals for me. Boston also featured in the list.

Back on the original topic, Scunthorpe got my vote due to the amount of times we've played them since I started going in 1994. For many years after that we didn't play a competitive game against Rotherham so I had nothing to go on. The fact that we usually beat Scunthorpe and they clearly hate us makes it even better.
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: drfchound on March 20, 2017, 03:09:52 pm
It just has to be leeds.
They are the ones who get up everyones nose the most.
The Blunts fans think they are too big a club for L1 but apart from that nob, brian the blade, they are not too bad a set of fans.
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: Mike_F on March 20, 2017, 03:24:47 pm
If I was going for most disliked clubs I would pick Man United, Wendies and Leeds because they were the clubs that many of my contemporaries at school chose to "support" instead of their home team.

I don't think of Leeds as a derby though. We've played them far too infrequently for that. They also don't give a monkey's about us which makes it a hollow derby.
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: Lincoln Rover on March 20, 2017, 03:55:27 pm
Barnsley will ALWAYS be the derby for me. Don't hate their fans, but I love the banter with them.
Lincoln would be a real local one for me, being 10 mins up the road, but nothing will ever replace Dingles v Donny for me. Whenever we're in the same league, it's the first one I look for.
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: drfchound on March 20, 2017, 04:09:12 pm
The thread title is most disliked derby neighbour.
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: Lincoln Rover on March 20, 2017, 04:29:12 pm
Disliked .... could mean the team you loathe losing to.The general consensus is against me, so I'll accept that.
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: Herman Hessian on March 20, 2017, 04:46:31 pm
The thread title is most disliked derby neighbour.

good luck on unambiguously defining what constitutes a derby then, fella....
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: RoversAlias on March 20, 2017, 05:28:39 pm
It has to be Rotherham doesn't it? Our biggest rival, the one we hold so much disdain for and vice versa. I'd say them, Barnsley and Scunny are our only 'proper' rivals and whilst I can't stand the Dingle lot, we haven't spent a great deal of time together at the same level of the pyramid. Scunny I feel are a bit more 'on our level' in terms of the club background, fanbase and such so maybe the animosity isn't as bad, but they are still a big rival and it is for me personally my favourite local derby.
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: RedJ on March 20, 2017, 05:51:01 pm
Hard choice between Barnsley, Scunny and Rotherham but went for the Millers in the end. Kitsons.
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: RedRover45 on March 20, 2017, 06:01:17 pm
Some interesting responses and I have to agree that the three main ones are Rotherham, Scunthorpe and Barnsley.
For me personally I have spent most of my life in Scawthorpe and Swinton so I guess that kind of rules out Scunny and as we more often than not beat them, I tend to look on them with pity more than hatred, but I fully understand people from East Donny hating them more.
The results have been pretty equal with Barnsley but we had a long period of not playing them so maybe that has tempered the dislike slightly. I think as a town and a team they are very similar to us in size.
Which leaves Rotherham. Growing up, my formative years was spent losing to them particularly at Millmoor on a yearly basis. I think we lost about 11 out of 12 there, the only notable day when we beat them 3-2 which is one of my favourite football days ever. They always seemed to beat us fairly regularly at home too whether it be by a poxy 1-0 or thrash us convincingly.
Now, their fans. Such a cocky obnoxious, arse-end of Sheffield attitude that particularly living in Swinton for decades has made me positively despise everything about them.
So for me personally, it's them. Now fetch on next season, it's long long overdue to kick their arses big time.
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: drfchound on March 20, 2017, 09:19:56 pm
The thread title is most disliked derby neighbour.

good luck on unambiguously defining what constitutes a derby then, fella....




Well Herman, despite the put down, what I wrote is fact.
Seemingly, Leeds are the second choice on here of most disliked derby neighbour.
......fella.
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: Haxey-Hood-DRFC on March 20, 2017, 09:29:02 pm
No prizes for guessing who my vote went to ;-)
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: normal rules on March 20, 2017, 09:29:54 pm
Whilst it may be in a different county, those of an age will remember trips to Sincil bank as being feisty affairs. It has been many years since rovers and Lincoln have locked horns on a regular league basis but surely they should be on the list.
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: Dn11 on March 20, 2017, 09:41:48 pm
Scunthorpe and Barnsley for me, blunts also annoy me due too working with loads of them
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: Herman Hessian on March 20, 2017, 09:58:39 pm
The thread title is most disliked derby neighbour.

good luck on unambiguously defining what constitutes a derby then, fella....

Well Herman, despite the put down, what I wrote is fact.
Seemingly, Leeds are the second choice on here of most disliked derby neighbour.
......fella.

oooh - someone's touchy !

my post wasn't meant to be in any way derogatory (and if i want to couch something as a put down, it's not likely to be open to misinterpretation to be fair) - all i meant was that if you were nit-picking over what constitutes a derby, you'll have a hard time as it seem to always provoke disagreement on any number of levels - I actually thought you were taking issue with the mention of Lincoln in that capacity...

FWIW i think for a derby to be remotely meaningful it has to have some real siginificance for the supporters of both sides involved every time the two teams meet (ie not just crying when getting embarassed at wembley), the white shite and either set of pigs simply don't give a flying one about us in the great scheme of things, and probably get no more vexed or gleeful at getting their arses handed to them or winning against us as they do any other game. obviously the yorkshire post tend to get terribly excited any time that two teams from the county meet, and said matches tend to involve a good turn out and decent atmosphere simply because of the reduced travelling for away fans, but i doubt whether there are fewer than twenty or so other teams that leeds fans would name as being more significant rivals that rovers (bearing in mind that they still have delusions of grandeur and still rank united, chelsea and the like as still bearing some sort of relevance to their existence for some bizarre reason)

the OP probably hit the nail on the head saying that a respondants age has a lot to do with his answer to the question of who's considered to be our real derby day opposition; when i was a nipper it was barnsley that seemed to draw the biggest crowds to BV - Rotherham always seemed to be a division or two higher than us; with the demographic of the forum posters now consisting of more folk whose memories consist more of championship games against leeds over the last decade, it's only natural that they perceive them as "proper" rivals, hence their "popularity" (sic) in the voting

but then i just write shite most of the time, so i wdnt get too vexed about it

sport...
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: Herman Hessian on March 20, 2017, 10:11:22 pm
quite an interesting comparison actually as to who we played most and when (in the league)

70's  barnsley 16 games; rotherham 6

80's  barnsley none - rotherham 10

90's  barnsley none - rotheram 6

00's  barnsley 8 games - rotherham 4

10's barnsley 10 games - rotherham 0

leeds - eight games since 2007 (plus three cup games and the play off final); nothing before that for 50 years !

i think rotherham have done well to keep us interested given their abject lack of relevance over the last three decades - much easier to see why leeds having become more significant of late...
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: normal rules on March 20, 2017, 10:39:52 pm
Doncaster have played Lincoln about 112 times in league fixtures since 1901. Thats over 50 seasons together
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: normal rules on March 20, 2017, 10:43:02 pm
V Barnsley it's 74 in the league since 1901
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: normal rules on March 20, 2017, 10:45:36 pm
V Rotherham United it's 82 games since 1925.

Pre 1925 there were known as Rotherham county.
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: normal rules on March 20, 2017, 10:47:53 pm
64 times v Scunthorpe, that's close to half that against Lincoln.
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: normal rules on March 20, 2017, 10:49:52 pm
Just 35 games against the blades
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: normal rules on March 20, 2017, 10:51:52 pm
And only 19 against the wendies
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: normal rules on March 20, 2017, 10:57:26 pm
So whilst the thread is about dislike, it's difficult to justify dislike without history between clubs. Any dislike generated against the likes of Wednesday or blades must be based on recent experience by younger supporters only, plus a prejudice against bigger clubs.

I'll stick by my first comment, although not a geographical Derby, Lincoln city for me would be the team with the historical pedigree for local competition and dislike. My dad, who watched rovers through the sixties, seventies and eighties would no doubt agree. the pre season friendly recently showed that some have not forgotten this.
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: normal rules on March 20, 2017, 11:01:58 pm
It's a shame that next year we appear destined not to re acquaint the league rivalry with both teams looking at promotion. It will come though and I anticipate within 5 years they will lock horns again in the league.
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: auckleyflyer on March 20, 2017, 11:13:56 pm
No 1 no.question is rotten scum location, times played and its like an younger shitter brother.
After that since the eighties Mansfield has always been fun but notts county??? Too far! York?? Only good because of the piss up??
Ist an un question really the three closest even if not often played.
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: normal rules on March 21, 2017, 06:55:20 am
Another team - hull, when they were at the old boothferry pasrk - played 49 times.

And middlesborough when there were part of the old north riding of yorkshire - played 24 times.

im talking different generations now though......
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: drfchound on March 21, 2017, 07:59:01 am
The thread title is most disliked derby neighbour.

good luck on unambiguously defining what constitutes a derby then, fella....

Well Herman, despite the put down, what I wrote is fact.
Seemingly, Leeds are the second choice on here of most disliked derby neighbour.
......fella.

oooh - someone's touchy !

my post wasn't meant to be in any way derogatory (and if i want to couch something as a put down, it's not likely to be open to misinterpretation to be fair) - all i meant was that if you were nit-picking over what constitutes a derby, you'll have a hard time as it seem to always provoke disagreement on any number of levels - I actually thought you were taking issue with the mention of Lincoln in that capacity...

FWIW i think for a derby to be remotely meaningful it has to have some real siginificance for the supporters of both sides involved every time the two teams meet (ie not just crying when getting embarassed at wembley), the white shite and either set of pigs simply don't give a flying one about us in the great scheme of things, and probably get no more vexed or gleeful at getting their arses handed to them or winning against us as they do any other game. obviously the yorkshire post tend to get terribly excited any time that two teams from the county meet, and said matches tend to involve a good turn out and decent atmosphere simply because of the reduced travelling for away fans, but i doubt whether there are fewer than twenty or so other teams that leeds fans would name as being more significant rivals that rovers (bearing in mind that they still have delusions of grandeur and still rank united, chelsea and the like as still bearing some sort of relevance to their existence for some bizarre reason)

the OP probably hit the nail on the head saying that a respondants age has a lot to do with his answer to the question of who's considered to be our real derby day opposition; when i was a nipper it was barnsley that seemed to draw the biggest crowds to BV - Rotherham always seemed to be a division or two higher than us; with the demographic of the forum posters now consisting of more folk whose memories consist more of championship games against leeds over the last decade, it's only natural that they perceive them as "proper" rivals, hence their "popularity" (sic) in the voting

but then i just write shite most of the time, so i wdnt get too vexed about it

sport...




Touche then Herman, apologies for the misinterpretation, easy done though as you thought i was referring to Lincoln who i hadn't even thought about.
I was simply noting what the thread was entitled and had chosen from the clubs listed in the poll which actually doesn't even include Lincoln.
Also, i should point out that i am 64 years old so am not considering my choice based on the games against leeds since the turn of the century.
I first went to the Rovers in 1962 and well remember matches against Barnsley and Rotherham back then.
I also accept that the likes of leeds, Wendies and Blunts fans probably don't give a monkeys about us but still stick to my original response that leeds are my most disliked derby neighbour.
........buddy.
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: Herman Hessian on March 21, 2017, 09:03:31 am
i am 64 years old

ahhh - those games against gainsborough trinity and burton swifts in a roped-off field at the institute in front of 145,000 - could swear as much as you liked because all the locals were deaf, and we all swapped woodbines and flat caps with a cheery smile, and the closest we got to european football was standing up to our necks in mud for twenty five hours a day in a trench at the ypres salient before being shot dead by our own artillery - proper derbies, they were - not like this poof's stuff they get worked up about nowadays....

 ;)

Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: PopStander on March 21, 2017, 09:06:25 am
1. Rotherscum
2. Scumthorpe
3. Barnsley
4. Sheff Utd
5. Leeds
6. Sheff Wed
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: normal rules on March 21, 2017, 05:04:55 pm
seems we have only played Grimsby 41 times in league comps too, soon to be 42.
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: hamiltonrover on March 21, 2017, 06:35:44 pm
As a fan who started attending in the 80's it has to be the Millers, they were the first derbies I attended, Ray Deans scoring at Millmoor a particular memory, as we moved into the 90's and Rotherham generally sat in the leagues above us, Scunthorpe were the new rival. In modern times we have played Wednesday, United and Leeds, none of these teams I would consider rivals, although I despise Leeds with a passion, I would put York, Lincoln and Mansfield ahead in the rivals stakes of the Sheffield teams and Leeds.
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: Padge_DRFC on March 21, 2017, 07:40:11 pm
The thread title is different to the question. I picked Leeds as I hate them the most because of all the cretins from Doncaster. Then again based on that it's a local derby half of donny supports them
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: Herbert Anchovy on March 21, 2017, 07:55:51 pm
The thread title is different to the question. I picked Leeds as I hate them the most because of all the cretins from Doncaster. Then again based on that it's a local derby half of donny supports them

Half of Donny supports them? How do you work that out then?
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: Padge_DRFC on March 21, 2017, 08:01:14 pm
You not seen Donny platform when they're at home? Pubs when in Donny when they're on sky?
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: Herbert Anchovy on March 21, 2017, 08:14:28 pm
You not seen Donny platform when they're at home? Pubs when in Donny when they're on sky?

Yes I have. There's a fair few of them, but I can personally vouch that it's no different from a number of places in Yorkshire. York, Hull & Huddersfield to name 3. But half of Donny? No chance.
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: not on facebook on March 21, 2017, 08:56:48 pm
There was no donnywhites to be seen on donny train station in the 1980s when all the Chelsea lot filled up all leeds bound trains from London kings X via donny.

Unless they was on pre 09:30 trains from donny which is possible.

Saying that recall sitting on one packed Leeds bound train from kings X.it was that packed Chelsea fans were up in the luggage racks and the window  and carriage that I was sat against got petrol bombed 3times as our train pulled into Wakefield west gate .

That was serious shit ,but we all had a good laugh about it.
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: Herbert Anchovy on March 21, 2017, 09:47:30 pm
There was no donnywhites to be seen on donny train station in the 1980s when all the Chelsea lot filled up all leeds bound trains from London kings X via donny.

Unless they was on pre 09:30 trains from donny which is possible.

Saying that recall sitting on one packed Leeds bound train from kings X.it was that packed Chelsea fans were up in the luggage racks and the window  and carriage that I was sat against got petrol bombed 3times as our train pulled into Wakefield west gate .

That was serious shit ,but we all had a good laugh about it.

You laughed about it!?! Blimey mate, who were you with? The SAS? I'd have been a gibbering wreck!!
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: not on facebook on March 21, 2017, 09:54:17 pm
Just a carriage full of chelsea mates .

When the window was on fire some Chelsea face shouted out "facking typical Leeds can only fight with petrol bombs and not their fists"

which type of broke the tension and all and sundry burst out laughing .

The look on the poor normall British rail passengers was stressing and the Chelsea lot saw this and got busy moving them into a different carriage.
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: Herbert Anchovy on March 21, 2017, 10:38:48 pm
Just a carriage full of chelsea mates .

When the window was on fire some Chelsea face shouted out "facking typical Leeds can only fight with petrol bombs and not their fists"

which type of broke the tension and all and sundry burst out laughing .

The look on the poor normall British rail passengers was stressing and the Chelsea lot saw this and got busy moving them into a different carriage.

Oh I see, cheers mate!
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: not on facebook on March 21, 2017, 10:49:20 pm
Just a carriage full of chelsea mates .

When the window was on fire some Chelsea face shouted out "facking typical Leeds can only fight with petrol bombs and not their fists"

which type of broke the tension and all and sundry burst out laughing .

The look on the poor normall British rail passengers was stressing and the Chelsea lot saw this and got busy moving them into a different carriage.

Oh I see, cheers mate!

The sad thing about this act ,was that the three leeds fans that were seen throwing  a petrol bomb each that hit our carriage all then ran off into a near by local pub at Wakefield west gate .

They was overheard by the local landlord  talking about what they have just done,he called to police and months down the line all 3 received a jail sentence.

One of the poor leeds chaps hung himself in Preston nick .

Then it's not funny anymore.
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: Standanista on March 21, 2017, 10:50:05 pm
As a Conisbrough lad who started watching Rovers in 1981 it's a no-brainer for me: Rotherham every time.  I've no doubt that many whose first games were in the 1970s will feel similar about Barnsley.

York was a strong local rivalry in the Division 4 promotion season, but I always felt there was mutual respect between the clubs.  Rotherham on the other hand has always been a needle match.
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: not on facebook on March 21, 2017, 10:54:49 pm
As a Conisbrough lad who started watching Rovers in 1981 it's a no-brainer for me: Rotherham every time.  I've no doubt that many whose first games were in the 1970s will feel similar about Barnsley.

York was a strong local rivalry in the Division 4 promotion season, but I always felt there was mutual respect between the clubs.  Rotherham on the other hand has always been a needle match.

You must have known deno a rovers lad from your neck of the woods ,last seen living in Dorset.

The Rotherham lot could never handle him.

If anyone was ever at Hereford when the two rovers mad monks were in the Hereford seats  step forward mr deno and his side kick Paz.
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: andysly on March 22, 2017, 12:42:56 am
Not as local as some on this thread. But I can't bear Nottingham f**king Forest.
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: idler on March 22, 2017, 09:40:24 am
That's possibly an age thing. I remember seeing Forest absolutely destroy Leeds in a league cup semi-final first leg at Elland Rd.
Cloughie had them playing great fast free flowing football that was a joy to watch.
He also got them to win two European Cups as well.
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: andysly on March 22, 2017, 12:55:30 pm
I'm 52 Idler.
I got took to Forest a couple of times in 79 as a kid by an Uncle when Rovers were away. Fans were right miserable moaning buggers, despite them being top of the league having just gone up.
Couldn't wait to go back to Belle Vue were fans moaned as well but we knew we weren't very good 😉
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: Mr1Croft on March 22, 2017, 08:36:56 pm
Being born in the early 90s in Stainy and now living in Thorne it has to be Scunthorpe as a personal choice. Closely followed by Rotherham.
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: philsky on March 22, 2017, 08:40:48 pm
Not massively relevant

But, over the years, Chester and Rushden

Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: Hounslowrover on March 23, 2017, 09:41:51 am
Not really bothered, but always enjoy beating Barnsley of all local rivals.
Title: Re: Most disliked 'derby' neighbour
Post by: les@donr on March 23, 2017, 06:44:27 pm
The Dingles, they don't have a brain cell to share between themselves.