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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: RedRover45 on March 20, 2017, 01:54:38 pm
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Ok, this has been debated over the years, and in all probability depends on a voters age and probably whereabouts in Donny we live but with Rotherham and hopefully Scunny being potential opponents next season, let's see which of the local derbies is most appealing and which neighbour we dislike the most.
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that'll teach me to take so long to put posts together !
however, I will gladly share the extensive background material that would have gone alongside the straight choice between Barnsley and Rotherham...
bear in mind that (rather surprisingly) we have a much better record against Barnsley, so historically we'll have had far more fun ripping it out of their cretinous, six-fingered followers, plus Gough, Parkinson and Bird are despicable individuals in spite of what they may have done for YCCC over the years
Rotherham, of course, are just a bit of a joke, quite why Steve Evans was ever allowed to leave his spiritual home is a travesty - and do they have any "celebrity fans" apart from the chuckle twäts and any number of high profile child abusers ?
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Probably the era that I first went regular to games and also being from NW Donny, Barnsley will always be "THE" derby for me, but I can't say I hate the club or even the fans as much as a few of the others on that list.
Lincoln was another one that featured.
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I honestly can't decide because I treat them all with equal contempt
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Rotherham bas**rd united
Close the thread
Could put up many battles with them over the years but it's not the right place
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I'd say our biggest rivals are Scunthorpe/Rotherham then Barnsley. I hate Sheff Weds and Leeds due to their fans in our town and I don't care if they drop down the leagues. Our main rivals though I want to do as well as us. I want as many games against them as possible but I want us to always finish at least one place above them and do the double over them.
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Who was the main rivals when rovers dropped into the conference ,surely not Scarborough?
Was it more far afield with likes of yeovil or rushden diamonds .
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Blunts are Kitson's of the highest order.
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That's a good question, Oslo.
In those days, geography became less important in building the rivalries. Rushden and Chester were probably the two biggest rivals for me. Boston also featured in the list.
Back on the original topic, Scunthorpe got my vote due to the amount of times we've played them since I started going in 1994. For many years after that we didn't play a competitive game against Rotherham so I had nothing to go on. The fact that we usually beat Scunthorpe and they clearly hate us makes it even better.
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It just has to be leeds.
They are the ones who get up everyones nose the most.
The Blunts fans think they are too big a club for L1 but apart from that nob, brian the blade, they are not too bad a set of fans.
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If I was going for most disliked clubs I would pick Man United, Wendies and Leeds because they were the clubs that many of my contemporaries at school chose to "support" instead of their home team.
I don't think of Leeds as a derby though. We've played them far too infrequently for that. They also don't give a monkey's about us which makes it a hollow derby.
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Barnsley will ALWAYS be the derby for me. Don't hate their fans, but I love the banter with them.
Lincoln would be a real local one for me, being 10 mins up the road, but nothing will ever replace Dingles v Donny for me. Whenever we're in the same league, it's the first one I look for.
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The thread title is most disliked derby neighbour.
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Disliked .... could mean the team you loathe losing to.The general consensus is against me, so I'll accept that.
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The thread title is most disliked derby neighbour.
good luck on unambiguously defining what constitutes a derby then, fella....
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It has to be Rotherham doesn't it? Our biggest rival, the one we hold so much disdain for and vice versa. I'd say them, Barnsley and Scunny are our only 'proper' rivals and whilst I can't stand the Dingle lot, we haven't spent a great deal of time together at the same level of the pyramid. Scunny I feel are a bit more 'on our level' in terms of the club background, fanbase and such so maybe the animosity isn't as bad, but they are still a big rival and it is for me personally my favourite local derby.
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Hard choice between Barnsley, Scunny and Rotherham but went for the Millers in the end. Kitsons.
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Some interesting responses and I have to agree that the three main ones are Rotherham, Scunthorpe and Barnsley.
For me personally I have spent most of my life in Scawthorpe and Swinton so I guess that kind of rules out Scunny and as we more often than not beat them, I tend to look on them with pity more than hatred, but I fully understand people from East Donny hating them more.
The results have been pretty equal with Barnsley but we had a long period of not playing them so maybe that has tempered the dislike slightly. I think as a town and a team they are very similar to us in size.
Which leaves Rotherham. Growing up, my formative years was spent losing to them particularly at Millmoor on a yearly basis. I think we lost about 11 out of 12 there, the only notable day when we beat them 3-2 which is one of my favourite football days ever. They always seemed to beat us fairly regularly at home too whether it be by a poxy 1-0 or thrash us convincingly.
Now, their fans. Such a cocky obnoxious, arse-end of Sheffield attitude that particularly living in Swinton for decades has made me positively despise everything about them.
So for me personally, it's them. Now fetch on next season, it's long long overdue to kick their arses big time.
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The thread title is most disliked derby neighbour.
good luck on unambiguously defining what constitutes a derby then, fella....
Well Herman, despite the put down, what I wrote is fact.
Seemingly, Leeds are the second choice on here of most disliked derby neighbour.
......fella.
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No prizes for guessing who my vote went to ;-)
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Whilst it may be in a different county, those of an age will remember trips to Sincil bank as being feisty affairs. It has been many years since rovers and Lincoln have locked horns on a regular league basis but surely they should be on the list.
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Scunthorpe and Barnsley for me, blunts also annoy me due too working with loads of them
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The thread title is most disliked derby neighbour.
good luck on unambiguously defining what constitutes a derby then, fella....
Well Herman, despite the put down, what I wrote is fact.
Seemingly, Leeds are the second choice on here of most disliked derby neighbour.
......fella.
oooh - someone's touchy !
my post wasn't meant to be in any way derogatory (and if i want to couch something as a put down, it's not likely to be open to misinterpretation to be fair) - all i meant was that if you were nit-picking over what constitutes a derby, you'll have a hard time as it seem to always provoke disagreement on any number of levels - I actually thought you were taking issue with the mention of Lincoln in that capacity...
FWIW i think for a derby to be remotely meaningful it has to have some real siginificance for the supporters of both sides involved every time the two teams meet (ie not just crying when getting embarassed at wembley), the white shite and either set of pigs simply don't give a flying one about us in the great scheme of things, and probably get no more vexed or gleeful at getting their arses handed to them or winning against us as they do any other game. obviously the yorkshire post tend to get terribly excited any time that two teams from the county meet, and said matches tend to involve a good turn out and decent atmosphere simply because of the reduced travelling for away fans, but i doubt whether there are fewer than twenty or so other teams that leeds fans would name as being more significant rivals that rovers (bearing in mind that they still have delusions of grandeur and still rank united, chelsea and the like as still bearing some sort of relevance to their existence for some bizarre reason)
the OP probably hit the nail on the head saying that a respondants age has a lot to do with his answer to the question of who's considered to be our real derby day opposition; when i was a nipper it was barnsley that seemed to draw the biggest crowds to BV - Rotherham always seemed to be a division or two higher than us; with the demographic of the forum posters now consisting of more folk whose memories consist more of championship games against leeds over the last decade, it's only natural that they perceive them as "proper" rivals, hence their "popularity" (sic) in the voting
but then i just write shite most of the time, so i wdnt get too vexed about it
sport...
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quite an interesting comparison actually as to who we played most and when (in the league)
70's barnsley 16 games; rotherham 6
80's barnsley none - rotherham 10
90's barnsley none - rotheram 6
00's barnsley 8 games - rotherham 4
10's barnsley 10 games - rotherham 0
leeds - eight games since 2007 (plus three cup games and the play off final); nothing before that for 50 years !
i think rotherham have done well to keep us interested given their abject lack of relevance over the last three decades - much easier to see why leeds having become more significant of late...
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Doncaster have played Lincoln about 112 times in league fixtures since 1901. Thats over 50 seasons together
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V Barnsley it's 74 in the league since 1901
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V Rotherham United it's 82 games since 1925.
Pre 1925 there were known as Rotherham county.
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64 times v Scunthorpe, that's close to half that against Lincoln.
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Just 35 games against the blades
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And only 19 against the wendies
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So whilst the thread is about dislike, it's difficult to justify dislike without history between clubs. Any dislike generated against the likes of Wednesday or blades must be based on recent experience by younger supporters only, plus a prejudice against bigger clubs.
I'll stick by my first comment, although not a geographical Derby, Lincoln city for me would be the team with the historical pedigree for local competition and dislike. My dad, who watched rovers through the sixties, seventies and eighties would no doubt agree. the pre season friendly recently showed that some have not forgotten this.
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It's a shame that next year we appear destined not to re acquaint the league rivalry with both teams looking at promotion. It will come though and I anticipate within 5 years they will lock horns again in the league.
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No 1 no.question is rotten scum location, times played and its like an younger shitter brother.
After that since the eighties Mansfield has always been fun but notts county??? Too far! York?? Only good because of the piss up??
Ist an un question really the three closest even if not often played.
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Another team - hull, when they were at the old boothferry pasrk - played 49 times.
And middlesborough when there were part of the old north riding of yorkshire - played 24 times.
im talking different generations now though......
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The thread title is most disliked derby neighbour.
good luck on unambiguously defining what constitutes a derby then, fella....
Well Herman, despite the put down, what I wrote is fact.
Seemingly, Leeds are the second choice on here of most disliked derby neighbour.
......fella.
oooh - someone's touchy !
my post wasn't meant to be in any way derogatory (and if i want to couch something as a put down, it's not likely to be open to misinterpretation to be fair) - all i meant was that if you were nit-picking over what constitutes a derby, you'll have a hard time as it seem to always provoke disagreement on any number of levels - I actually thought you were taking issue with the mention of Lincoln in that capacity...
FWIW i think for a derby to be remotely meaningful it has to have some real siginificance for the supporters of both sides involved every time the two teams meet (ie not just crying when getting embarassed at wembley), the white shite and either set of pigs simply don't give a flying one about us in the great scheme of things, and probably get no more vexed or gleeful at getting their arses handed to them or winning against us as they do any other game. obviously the yorkshire post tend to get terribly excited any time that two teams from the county meet, and said matches tend to involve a good turn out and decent atmosphere simply because of the reduced travelling for away fans, but i doubt whether there are fewer than twenty or so other teams that leeds fans would name as being more significant rivals that rovers (bearing in mind that they still have delusions of grandeur and still rank united, chelsea and the like as still bearing some sort of relevance to their existence for some bizarre reason)
the OP probably hit the nail on the head saying that a respondants age has a lot to do with his answer to the question of who's considered to be our real derby day opposition; when i was a nipper it was barnsley that seemed to draw the biggest crowds to BV - Rotherham always seemed to be a division or two higher than us; with the demographic of the forum posters now consisting of more folk whose memories consist more of championship games against leeds over the last decade, it's only natural that they perceive them as "proper" rivals, hence their "popularity" (sic) in the voting
but then i just write shite most of the time, so i wdnt get too vexed about it
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Touche then Herman, apologies for the misinterpretation, easy done though as you thought i was referring to Lincoln who i hadn't even thought about.
I was simply noting what the thread was entitled and had chosen from the clubs listed in the poll which actually doesn't even include Lincoln.
Also, i should point out that i am 64 years old so am not considering my choice based on the games against leeds since the turn of the century.
I first went to the Rovers in 1962 and well remember matches against Barnsley and Rotherham back then.
I also accept that the likes of leeds, Wendies and Blunts fans probably don't give a monkeys about us but still stick to my original response that leeds are my most disliked derby neighbour.
........buddy.
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i am 64 years old
ahhh - those games against gainsborough trinity and burton swifts in a roped-off field at the institute in front of 145,000 - could swear as much as you liked because all the locals were deaf, and we all swapped woodbines and flat caps with a cheery smile, and the closest we got to european football was standing up to our necks in mud for twenty five hours a day in a trench at the ypres salient before being shot dead by our own artillery - proper derbies, they were - not like this poof's stuff they get worked up about nowadays....
;)
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1. Rotherscum
2. Scumthorpe
3. Barnsley
4. Sheff Utd
5. Leeds
6. Sheff Wed
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seems we have only played Grimsby 41 times in league comps too, soon to be 42.
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As a fan who started attending in the 80's it has to be the Millers, they were the first derbies I attended, Ray Deans scoring at Millmoor a particular memory, as we moved into the 90's and Rotherham generally sat in the leagues above us, Scunthorpe were the new rival. In modern times we have played Wednesday, United and Leeds, none of these teams I would consider rivals, although I despise Leeds with a passion, I would put York, Lincoln and Mansfield ahead in the rivals stakes of the Sheffield teams and Leeds.
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The thread title is different to the question. I picked Leeds as I hate them the most because of all the cretins from Doncaster. Then again based on that it's a local derby half of donny supports them
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The thread title is different to the question. I picked Leeds as I hate them the most because of all the cretins from Doncaster. Then again based on that it's a local derby half of donny supports them
Half of Donny supports them? How do you work that out then?
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You not seen Donny platform when they're at home? Pubs when in Donny when they're on sky?
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You not seen Donny platform when they're at home? Pubs when in Donny when they're on sky?
Yes I have. There's a fair few of them, but I can personally vouch that it's no different from a number of places in Yorkshire. York, Hull & Huddersfield to name 3. But half of Donny? No chance.
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There was no donnywhites to be seen on donny train station in the 1980s when all the Chelsea lot filled up all leeds bound trains from London kings X via donny.
Unless they was on pre 09:30 trains from donny which is possible.
Saying that recall sitting on one packed Leeds bound train from kings X.it was that packed Chelsea fans were up in the luggage racks and the window and carriage that I was sat against got petrol bombed 3times as our train pulled into Wakefield west gate .
That was serious shit ,but we all had a good laugh about it.
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There was no donnywhites to be seen on donny train station in the 1980s when all the Chelsea lot filled up all leeds bound trains from London kings X via donny.
Unless they was on pre 09:30 trains from donny which is possible.
Saying that recall sitting on one packed Leeds bound train from kings X.it was that packed Chelsea fans were up in the luggage racks and the window and carriage that I was sat against got petrol bombed 3times as our train pulled into Wakefield west gate .
That was serious shit ,but we all had a good laugh about it.
You laughed about it!?! Blimey mate, who were you with? The SAS? I'd have been a gibbering wreck!!
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Just a carriage full of chelsea mates .
When the window was on fire some Chelsea face shouted out "facking typical Leeds can only fight with petrol bombs and not their fists"
which type of broke the tension and all and sundry burst out laughing .
The look on the poor normall British rail passengers was stressing and the Chelsea lot saw this and got busy moving them into a different carriage.
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Just a carriage full of chelsea mates .
When the window was on fire some Chelsea face shouted out "facking typical Leeds can only fight with petrol bombs and not their fists"
which type of broke the tension and all and sundry burst out laughing .
The look on the poor normall British rail passengers was stressing and the Chelsea lot saw this and got busy moving them into a different carriage.
Oh I see, cheers mate!
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Just a carriage full of chelsea mates .
When the window was on fire some Chelsea face shouted out "facking typical Leeds can only fight with petrol bombs and not their fists"
which type of broke the tension and all and sundry burst out laughing .
The look on the poor normall British rail passengers was stressing and the Chelsea lot saw this and got busy moving them into a different carriage.
Oh I see, cheers mate!
The sad thing about this act ,was that the three leeds fans that were seen throwing a petrol bomb each that hit our carriage all then ran off into a near by local pub at Wakefield west gate .
They was overheard by the local landlord talking about what they have just done,he called to police and months down the line all 3 received a jail sentence.
One of the poor leeds chaps hung himself in Preston nick .
Then it's not funny anymore.
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As a Conisbrough lad who started watching Rovers in 1981 it's a no-brainer for me: Rotherham every time. I've no doubt that many whose first games were in the 1970s will feel similar about Barnsley.
York was a strong local rivalry in the Division 4 promotion season, but I always felt there was mutual respect between the clubs. Rotherham on the other hand has always been a needle match.
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As a Conisbrough lad who started watching Rovers in 1981 it's a no-brainer for me: Rotherham every time. I've no doubt that many whose first games were in the 1970s will feel similar about Barnsley.
York was a strong local rivalry in the Division 4 promotion season, but I always felt there was mutual respect between the clubs. Rotherham on the other hand has always been a needle match.
You must have known deno a rovers lad from your neck of the woods ,last seen living in Dorset.
The Rotherham lot could never handle him.
If anyone was ever at Hereford when the two rovers mad monks were in the Hereford seats step forward mr deno and his side kick Paz.
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Not as local as some on this thread. But I can't bear Nottingham f**king Forest.
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That's possibly an age thing. I remember seeing Forest absolutely destroy Leeds in a league cup semi-final first leg at Elland Rd.
Cloughie had them playing great fast free flowing football that was a joy to watch.
He also got them to win two European Cups as well.
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I'm 52 Idler.
I got took to Forest a couple of times in 79 as a kid by an Uncle when Rovers were away. Fans were right miserable moaning buggers, despite them being top of the league having just gone up.
Couldn't wait to go back to Belle Vue were fans moaned as well but we knew we weren't very good 😉
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Being born in the early 90s in Stainy and now living in Thorne it has to be Scunthorpe as a personal choice. Closely followed by Rotherham.
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Not massively relevant
But, over the years, Chester and Rushden
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Not really bothered, but always enjoy beating Barnsley of all local rivals.
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The Dingles, they don't have a brain cell to share between themselves.