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Blackpool,In the UK, 75% of those vaxxed have not had their booster yet. We know that immunity weakens over time, so getting the extra jab is important before winter sets in.Pud,Scotland is colder than England, so activities move indoors earlier.One factor to be considered.Deaths are a lagging indicator, so the infections recorded now will translate into higher losses in November.That is why we are getting the early warning siren now!
Between January and July there were around 50k covid deaths 640 were fully vaccinated, if that trend has carried on which I can't find at the min should we really need extra measures?of course many were not fully vaccinated then and the numbers won't be the same
BFYP.I don't know the ins and outs of every country's actions, but England clearly has one of the most open, laissez-faire approaches. And the tone of the message from the leaders matters too. Our Govt has given a business as usual tone for months. In Scotland they have a mask mandate and vaccine passports. And their infection rate is a fraction of ours and falling. Draw your own conclusions.You say we keep hearing it will be a disaster in the NHS. Winter is fast approaching and there are hospitals with virtually every ICU bed taken up by COVID patients. At the very, very least the NHS is streteched and has been stretched for months, well before the inevitable Winter problems.Meanwhile, today's figures show that the rise in cases, hospitalisations and deaths continues apace...
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 20, 2021, 05:36:13 pmBFYP.I don't know the ins and outs of every country's actions, but England clearly has one of the most open, laissez-faire approaches. And the tone of the message from the leaders matters too. Our Govt has given a business as usual tone for months. In Scotland they have a mask mandate and vaccine passports. And their infection rate is a fraction of ours and falling. Draw your own conclusions.You say we keep hearing it will be a disaster in the NHS. Winter is fast approaching and there are hospitals with virtually every ICU bed taken up by COVID patients. At the very, very least the NHS is streteched and has been stretched for months, well before the inevitable Winter problems.Meanwhile, today's figures show that the rise in cases, hospitalisations and deaths continues apace...It's a poor conclusion though isn't it? They have those mandated in Wales they have a higher case rate. So it's not quite that simple is it?
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on October 20, 2021, 10:28:14 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 20, 2021, 05:36:13 pmBFYP.I don't know the ins and outs of every country's actions, but England clearly has one of the most open, laissez-faire approaches. And the tone of the message from the leaders matters too. Our Govt has given a business as usual tone for months. In Scotland they have a mask mandate and vaccine passports. And their infection rate is a fraction of ours and falling. Draw your own conclusions.You say we keep hearing it will be a disaster in the NHS. Winter is fast approaching and there are hospitals with virtually every ICU bed taken up by COVID patients. At the very, very least the NHS is streteched and has been stretched for months, well before the inevitable Winter problems.Meanwhile, today's figures show that the rise in cases, hospitalisations and deaths continues apace...It's a poor conclusion though isn't it? They have those mandated in Wales they have a higher case rate. So it's not quite that simple is it?No I agree there's no magic bullet. But it is about marginal gains and the whole message.If you send a message, spoken or unspoken that you can be relaxed about the spread, then it's obvious that many people will follow that message. At some point, you have to ask the question of why we have both very high cases and deaths AND very high economic losses, compared to many of our European neighbours.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveypilot/latestFigure 4 (around half way down the page)
I accept it's not straightforward by any means.An industry spokesman said another missed Christmas holiday season in hospitality will absolutely crush the sector. To me though, in not acting quickly now and bringing in Plan B, mask wearing and social distancing, then the risk of lockdown during the festive period is so much greater.
Kier starmer has sat in parliament without a mask to but I've not heard you slag him off
Quote from: bpoolrover on October 21, 2021, 05:58:58 pmKier starmer has sat in parliament without a mask to but I've not heard you slag him offStarmer should wear a mask, as should all MP’s, but like it or not the Conservatives are the Government and decision makers, regardless of what other parties do the Government should be setting an example, not openly and collectively ignoring the advice they give to the general public
Quote from: River Don on October 21, 2021, 05:43:55 pmI accept it's not straightforward by any means.An industry spokesman said another missed Christmas holiday season in hospitality will absolutely crush the sector. To me though, in not acting quickly now and bringing in Plan B, mask wearing and social distancing, then the risk of lockdown during the festive period is so much greater.Mask wearing and social distancing has never been taken out.