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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: nortikorner on April 15, 2017, 12:32:33 pm
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Thoughts
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I'm not on it
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I reckon we'll have one
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No idea who is out of contract but I'd be happy to see go:
Evina
Etheridge
Keegan
Could be at risk depending on how ruthless Fergie is:
Middleton
Williams
Loan out:
Beestin
Garrett
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I think the only senior players out of contract are Marosi, Keegan, McSheffrey and ATS. DF has already spoken about sitting down with Marosi for a new contract. I would expect Keegan to be thanked for his services, and I wouldn't know about the other two - a difficult decision but they are both playing at the moment - so probably effectively playing for new contracts.
I would guess Evina and Etheridge to be given free transfers, and I agree loans for Beestin and Garrett might be a good idea.
I guess how ruthless DF is depends on his budget and how many targets he has, and maybe how successful he is early on with those targets.
I think Pugh and McCormick come to the end of their youth contracts, but Longbottom, Fielding, Jones and Donaldson have longer contracts. I expect would some more loans there as well.
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I think the only senior players out of contract are Marosi, Keegan, McSheffrey and ATS. DF has already spoken about sitting down with Marosi for a new contract. I would expect Keegan to be thanked for his services, and I wouldn't know about the other two - a difficult decision but they are both playing at the moment - so probably effectively playing for new contracts.
I would guess Evina and Etheridge to be given free transfers, and I agree loans for Beestin and Garrett might be a good idea.
I guess how ruthless DF is depends on his budget and how many targets he has, and maybe how successful he is early on with those targets.
I think Pugh and McCormick come to the end of their youth contracts, but Longbottom, Fielding, Jones and Donaldson have longer contracts. I expect would some more loans there as well.
What about who's conning in . Centre half , left Back , Forward with more presence.
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That's what I meant about his targets affecting the retained list. I was treating this thread more as guessing what happens to those we have. I am sure there will be many many threads on targets, hopefully mainly in the rumour mill :)
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Priority has to be to see who we can get to replace Copps, if not next season then the one after. He makes us a different team when he plays. We need someone new to take over or someone already there to step up. Carey from Plymouth?
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I think we already have the replacement in Rowe, I see Copps playing less game time per game which hopefully would extend his career,
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Priority has to be to see who we can get to replace Copps, if not next season then the one after. He makes us a different team when he plays. We need someone new to take over or someone already there to step up. Carey from Plymouth?
Pompey fans yesterday did not rate him at all.
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I think the only senior players out of contract are Marosi, Keegan, McSheffrey and ATS. DF has already spoken about sitting down with Marosi for a new contract. I would expect Keegan to be thanked for his services, and I wouldn't know about the other two - a difficult decision but they are both playing at the moment - so probably effectively playing for new contracts.
I would guess Evina and Etheridge to be given free transfers, and I agree loans for Beestin and Garrett might be a good idea.
I guess how ruthless DF is depends on his budget and how many targets he has, and maybe how successful he is early on with those targets.
I think Pugh and McCormick come to the end of their youth contracts, but Longbottom, Fielding, Jones and Donaldson have longer contracts. I expect would some more loans there as well.
ATS signed a 3 year deal when he signed
Should have another year left
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Wiki says 2 years, but not the best source of course.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Taylor-Sinclair
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I think the only senior players out of contract are Marosi, Keegan, McSheffrey and ATS. DF has already spoken about sitting down with Marosi for a new contract. I would expect Keegan to be thanked for his services, and I wouldn't know about the other two - a difficult decision but they are both playing at the moment - so probably effectively playing for new contracts.
I would guess Evina and Etheridge to be given free transfers, and I agree loans for Beestin and Garrett might be a good idea.
I guess how ruthless DF is depends on his budget and how many targets he has, and maybe how successful he is early on with those targets.
I think Pugh and McCormick come to the end of their youth contracts, but Longbottom, Fielding, Jones and Donaldson have longer contracts. I expect would some more loans there as well.
ATS signed a 3 year deal when he signed
Should have another year left
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/33599627
Signed a 2 year deal
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I stand corrected
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Did we pay a fee for Etheridge?
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Did we pay a fee for Etheridge?
He was out of contract, but under 24, so a tribunal should decide a fee in theory. Or the clubs agreed on something privately.
Either way a fee would be expected.
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I think we already have the replacement in Rowe, I see Copps playing less game time per game which hopefully would extend his career,
No question fo me Rowe is ideal to play in the hole behind a front 2
He showed yesterday how effective he will be in that position.
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For me release Keegan, ATS, and a few of the younger lads who arnt up to scratch. Transfer list evina, ethridge, and probably not a popular one but I think if we want to compete for the top 6 then I think we need better than Williams as a partner for marquis. Idd be happy to have him as back up with May and mandenville but do think we need another striker. Idd give Marosi a new long term deal and mcsheffry a new 1 year contract. Also new long term deals for marquis and baudry as I think they both only have 1 year left each.
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I would keep Williams.
I'm loyal to all our players, that's why I'm glad I'm not the manager!
I'd be sorry to see Keegan go but could understand that decision.
Eviina will go, as will Etheridge and ATS.
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I cannot believe folks are saying Williams should go. He still scored a fair few in our last L1 season ans over 20 for Swindon the season before when they got to the play offs..
Form and confidence, once he has that he'll come good again.. We would be crazy to get rid unless we replaced him with better..
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I think the only senior players out of contract are Marosi, Keegan, McSheffrey and ATS. DF has already spoken about sitting down with Marosi for a new contract. I would expect Keegan to be thanked for his services, and I wouldn't know about the other two - a difficult decision but they are both playing at the moment - so probably effectively playing for new contracts.
I would guess Evina and Etheridge to be given free transfers, and I agree loans for Beestin and Garrett might be a good idea.
I guess how ruthless DF is depends on his budget and how many targets he has, and maybe how successful he is early on with those targets.
I think Pugh and McCormick come to the end of their youth contracts, but Longbottom, Fielding, Jones and Donaldson have longer contracts. I expect would some more loans there as well.
What about who's conning in . Centre half , left Back , Forward with more presence.
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Retained list !
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I cannot believe folks are saying Williams should go. He still scored a fair few in our last L1 season ans over 20 for Swindon the season before when they got to the play offs..
Form and confidence, once he has that he'll come good again.. We would be crazy to get rid unless we replaced him with better..
Totally agree IDM. I was surprised and delighted that we kept Williams when we got relegated last season.
I would definitely keep him. I could see him having a good season in L1.
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Yes, he should stay.
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I cannot believe folks are saying Williams should go. He still scored a fair few in our last L1 season ans over 20 for Swindon the season before when they got to the play offs..
Form and confidence, once he has that he'll come good again.. We would be crazy to get rid unless we replaced him with better..
A lot of people keep saying Williams scored 20 goals for Swindon in league 1 but this was 3 seasons ago. He's only scored 10 goals in a free scoring league 2 side this season. Idd happily keep him as back up but personally think we need better if we are aiming for top 6.
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We need a defence much more than we need another forward......
BobG
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In the first half of the season we were dodgy defensively.
At one point around the turn of the year, we had the fifth or six worst goals conceded in the division.
Since Baudry and Alcock came into the side we have turned it around so that now only five teams in the division have conceded less than us.
Nothing wrong with the defence now.
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So left back is ok then?
Cool
BobG
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I'd get in another right back as well. Blair's done a job there but he's wasted in defence.
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So left back is ok then?
Cool
BobG
It has been so bad that we are top of the league Bob.
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Mmm. Yes. Based on attack. It's defences that come under pressure first in a higher league. Still, if you want us to have redundant strikers and let in lots, no problem.
Cheers :)
BobG
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But Bob, as I have said, since Baudry and Alcock came into the side we have been much better defensively.
Seventeen goals conceded in the last twenty games going back to the 2-0 loss at Plymouth against the thirty conceded in twenty two games up to that point.
To put that into perspective, Portsmouth have the best defensive record in the division but even they have conceded 18 goals in those last twenty games, one more than us.
The facts are there if you care to check.
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And there is the indisputable fact that we don't have a Left Back - please don't volunteer ATS.
And is there's nothing wrong with our defence, how come we almost alway concede first, and usually from the first opposition foray into our box?
Having said all of that, I'm not sure it's personnel so much as the coaching or tactics. Fergie has always been an attack minded manager, relying on scoring goal more than clean sheets.
He should think about getting a top notch defensive coach rather than spending money on more defenders.
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And there is the indisputable fact that we don't have a Left Back - please don't volunteer ATS.
And is there's nothing wrong with our defence, how come we almost alway concede first, and usually from the first opposition foray into our box?
Having said all of that, I'm not sure it's personnel so much as the coaching or tactics. Fergie has always been an attack minded manager, relying on scoring goal more than clean sheets.
He should think about getting a top notch defensive coach rather than spending money on more defenders.
Wonder what Tony Adams is doing these days ?
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And there is the indisputable fact that we don't have a Left Back - please don't volunteer ATS.
And is there's nothing wrong with our defence, how come we almost alway concede first, and usually from the first opposition foray into our box?
Having said all of that, I'm not sure it's personnel so much as the coaching or tactics. Fergie has always been an attack minded manager, relying on scoring goal more than clean sheets.
He should think about getting a top notch defensive coach rather than spending money on more defenders.
Wonder what Tony Adams is doing these days ?
Isn't he coaching in the Primera Liga?
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And there is the indisputable fact that we don't have a Left Back - please don't volunteer ATS.
And is there's nothing wrong with our defence, how come we almost alway concede first, and usually from the first opposition foray into our box?
Having said all of that, I'm not sure it's personnel so much as the coaching or tactics. Fergie has always been an attack minded manager, relying on scoring goal more than clean sheets.
He should think about getting a top notch defensive coach rather than spending money on more defenders.
Wonder what Tony Adams is doing these days ?
Isn't he coaching in the Primera Liga?
Yep, I had to check but he's manager of Granada in the Spanish premier.
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Never mind a defensive coach. Get a top drawer psychologist in. Strengthen their minds and get them believing no one can beat them. I didn't believe in sports psychology until my 30s and now I work with one, it's changed my life and could do with the players. Copps has bought into it and it's extending his career, it's improved his decision making and made him a better player.
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Keegan and Evina are pretty much certainties to leave now. I would expect ATS to go as well unless he plays a blinder in the last few games. Can see Gary Mac staying on for another year and being a bit part player in L1 for us, which I'm happy with.
Etheridge will probably go if the last few months are anything to go by, but I hope Marosi stays.
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And there is the indisputable fact that we don't have a Left Back - please don't volunteer ATS.
And is there's nothing wrong with our defence, how come we almost alway concede first, and usually from the first opposition foray into our box?
Having said all of that, I'm not sure it's personnel so much as the coaching or tactics. Fergie has always been an attack minded manager, relying on scoring goal more than clean sheets.
He should think about getting a top notch defensive coach rather than spending money on more defenders.
Pies, I repeat, our defence right now is as good as any in the division, the facts confirm this.
I guess that you are arguing that we still concede goals and I understand your frustration that we often concede the first one in the game.
However, if it is true that we concede early it is also true that we rarely concede another one in the same game, proven by only conceding 17 goals since the 2-0 at Plymouth.
How many goals conceded in those games would you consider to be good enough to call the defence good enough because the numbers stack up well enough for me to suggest it is ok right now.
You can come in as well if you want to Bob G with a response.
No doubt someone will come on and say it won't be good enough for league one but maybe there will be additions by then.
None of us know whether the current defence will be good enough and also none of us know whether additional players will improve things.
League one is next season so we can't know either way.
As for the left back position, yes I agree that we don't have a specialist there but you can't argue that in the last 20 games it has been good enough to be part of the best defence in the division.
I should add that of those 20 recent games we had kept 8 clean sheets.
In the same period, Portsmouth have had 9 and Plymouth have had 7.
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It's always the case that defences, rather than attacks, come under pressure in the league above. If we stand still Hound, we will concede more next season than this. And we don't look all that convincing this do we?
BobG
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There are a number of games we have won this season but got away with blue murder defensively. Definitely need to strengthen, as we do with a strong no nonsense midfielder JMHO
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It's always the case that defences, rather than attacks, come under pressure in the league above. If we stand still Hound, we will concede more next season than this. And we don't look all that convincing this do we?
BobG
If we don't finish in the top two or three then I would say it is inevitable that we will concede more goals next season than this.
In reality I think most of us would be happy with a consolidation top half finish next year so perhaps we will concede more goals.
As for getting away with blue murder defensively this season, well I guess that every team could say the same.
Look at how Plymouth "got away with it" in our 1-0 defeat to them recently.
Colchester got away with it when Alfie didn't take his chance.
Fans of every team will tell you about the difficiencies of their own team, it is a natural trait.
How many times do we squirm in our seats when the opposition has a corner or a free kick in a good position?
Do you think that opposition fans don't feel the same when we have these opportunities?
I didn't say that we will stand still either.
I acknowledged that DF will want to bring in new players next season but i also said that it doesn't guarantee they will be better than what we already have.
It is all too easy to be critical of our own team while thinking that everything is rosy in our opponents back yard.
I bet fans of 23 other teams in our division are very jealous of our team right now.
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Love that last sentence!
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You're very good at avoiding the substance of a debate aren't you Hound?! What the hell has the opinion of supporters of other clubs got to do with what our club does over the summer?
BobG
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If ATS is on the retained list, then Fergie shouldn't be.
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Oh Lord. Twice in a minute we've gifted Blackpool chances.....
Bob
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You're very good at avoiding the substance of a debate aren't you Hound?! What the hell has the opinion of supporters of other clubs got to do with what our club does over the summer?
BobG
......and you are very good at not responding to a question Bob.
I asked you how many goals conceded in 20 games would be acceptable to you?
I am still waiting.......
As for the supporters of other clubs thinking, well it has no bearing on what our club does over the close season and I didn't say it did.
I clearly suggested what they might be thinking right now.
As for our defence, how do you think they did today.
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In my opinion if we retained our defence and it played almost every game of next season if we have a good season you would be looking at us conceding about sixty odd goals. We are weakest in our back up all throughout the squad. Left back is a problem that needs solving either Garratt proves good enough or Taylor-Sinclair otherwise we need at least one left back.
In total i think we will need at least one younger quicker winger, a left back, centre back, defensive midfielder, possibly another specialist right back which would allow Blair to play as a winger. Maybe Lund could be that guy and also for me another striker. About six players to come in and maybe shave a few off the fringe players a few need a new start.
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SCWK, i wouldn't argue with much of you post.
What i am discussing with Bob is about this seasons circumstances, not next seasons.Oh Lord. Twice in a minute we've gifted Blackpool chances.....
Bob
Which two minutes were they in then Bob?
As you were not there i guess you were listening to a commentary without an opportunity to make up your own mind.
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Never mind a defensive coach. Get a top drawer psychologist in. Strengthen their minds and get them believing no one can beat them. I didn't believe in sports psychology until my 30s and now I work with one, it's changed my life and could do with the players. Copps has bought into it and it's extending his career, it's improved his decision making and made him a better player.
The club will work with sports psychologists.
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Oh do grwo up Hound. You're old enugh to know better. I have ears. I have eyes. Player said the words. Supporters write the words that I read on here. And they concur the defence wasn't too clever. What match were you watching? Do you understand the concept of defence?
Cheers
BobG
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Congratulations drfchound and welcome to the 'You've Been Told to "Grow Up" by BobG Stakes' proudly brought to you be Crab Apples and Cheers.
I'm delighted to tell you that you've already pulled level with a select bunch of luminaries including Yargo, idler and Leeds Fans. You're only just behind Askern Reds and Everyone, but you've got a way to go to catch IC1967. Still, there's plenty of time to go yet. Happy hunting.
IC1967 - 5
Askern_Reds - 2
Everyone - 2
Dare to Dream - 1
del boy - 1
Dickos - 1
drfchound - 1
idler - 1
Leeds Fans - 1
mjdgreg - 1
Rigoglioso - 1
Sammy Chung was King - 1
Wroey - 1
Yargo - 1
Yorkiered - 1
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Whatever happened to IC1967?
Did he grow up or just morph into someone else?
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You've got too much time on your hands "Syme"
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Whatever happened to IC1967?
Did he grow up or just morph into someone else?
Once you get your fifth you're done for.
No one really knows what happens, but tread lightly.
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You've got too much time on your hands "Syme"
I'd say that was probably true of anyone posting or reading at this time of night.
But, yes, I definitely have.
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Congratulations drfchound and welcome to the 'You've Been Told to "Grow Up" by BobG Stakes' proudly brought to you be Crab Apples and Cheers.
I'm delighted to tell you that you've already pulled level with a select bunch of luminaries including Yargo, idler and Leeds Fans. You're only just behind Askern Reds and Everyone, but you've got a way to go to catch IC1967. Still, there's plenty of time to go yet. Happy hunting.
IC1967 - 5
Askern_Reds - 2
Everyone - 2
Dare to Dream - 1
del boy - 1
Dickos - 1
drfchound - 1
idler - 1
Leeds Fans - 1
mjdgreg - 1
Rigoglioso - 1
Sammy Chung was King - 1
Wroey - 1
Yargo - 1
Yorkiered - 1
LOL, cheers Syme.
I had no idea that i had joined an exalted club.
I get the picture and will leave him to stew in his own juices.
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Current contract situation:
Loans
24. Niall Mason (End of the Season)
25. Connor Grant (End of the Season)
2017
7. Gary McSheffrey
13. Marko Marosi
18. Paul Keegan
20. Aaron Taylor Sinclair
21. Joe Pugh
31. Joseph McCormick
2018
1. Ross Etheridge
2. Craig Alcock
5. Mathieu Baudry
6. Andy Butler
9. John Marquis
11. Andy Williams
15. Joe Wright
17. Matty Blair
26. James Coppinger
27. Cedric Evina
33. Louis Jones
-Tony Donaldson
2019
2. Mitchell Lund
3. Tyler Garratt
4. Luke McCullough
10. Tommy Rowe
14. Harry Middleton
19. Liam Mandeville
22. Will Longbottom
23. Alfie Beestin
29. Reece Fielding
38. Ian Lawlor
39. Alfie May
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In my opinion I would release the following:
Etheridge, Evina, McCormack, Keegan, McSheffrey, & Pugh
Depending on the signing of a proven left back I would then also release eirther one of ATS or Garrett.
We need max of 4 new players. A proven Left back definately, possibly a right back unless DF sees Lund being the regular in that position.
As well as Alcock has done in League 2 i have my doubts about him in league 1 although I would have him on the bench due to his versatility.
A central/left sided midfielder, and another striker.
As much as I like Jordan Houghton how do you accommodate both him and Luke McCulloch in the same team. Neither are going to be happy with sitting on the bench.
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You cant release Evina or Etheridge you can only give them Free's and hope someone takes them and in Cedrics case, he actually wants to go..He got a bumper contract last time and that's the problem...
I would make Middleton available because I'm not a fan and Alcock because I think we need better....
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Surprised you say Alcock. He's quality.
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You do realise, that if we release anybody before their contract is up, we have to come to an agreement for the rest of their contract,or pay the contract up.
Thats one way of wasting money in my mind,much better to coach them to be better players,after all the management teams we have had signed them because they thought they were good players in the first place.
Well I hope they did.
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Current contract situation:
Loans
24. Niall Mason (End of the Season)
25. Connor Grant (End of the Season)
2017
7. Gary McSheffrey
13. Marko Marosi
18. Paul Keegan
20. Aaron Taylor Sinclair
21. Joe Pugh
31. Joseph McCormick
2018
1. Ross Etheridge
2. Craig Alcock
5. Mathieu Baudry
6. Andy Butler
9. John Marquis
11. Andy Williams
15. Joe Wright
17. Matty Blair
26. James Coppinger
27. Cedric Evina
33. Louis Jones
-Tony Donaldson
2019
2. Mitchell Lund
3. Tyler Garratt
4. Luke McCullough
10. Tommy Rowe
14. Harry Middleton
19. Liam Mandeville
22. Will Longbottom
23. Alfie Beestin
29. Reece Fielding
38. Ian Lawlor
39. Alfie May
On the 2017 gang, I would certainly keep Marosi and Gary Mc. He is best one we have that can deliver corners and free kicks
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How on earth can you say to release Garrett? madness.
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We must remember some of these players played in the first division last time and were found wanting
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How on earth can you say to release Garrett? madness.
Because some of our fans don't know young players develop. If someone isn't good enough right now, get rid is their logic even though they're only 20.
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We must remember some of these players played in the first division last time and were found wanting
We must also remember that bad form and low confidence can affect the performance of good players, and the same players can do much better in the same division when confident and in form...
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Lots of our supporters forget that too IDM.
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Remember how we were playing before we went on the bad run? We were on fire and played quality football!. Shows the current players can do it, we just can't fall into the pattern and mind set of losing again.
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Maybe the mindset is as important as footballing ability, maybe some of our players are lacking in this department - do we have a mentality coach ?
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A point for me based on the last 4 months Conor Grant has been pretty poor. Not sure I would take him now.
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A point for me based on the last 4 months Conor Grant has been pretty poor. Not sure I would take him now.
We've seen what he can do in League One though. If we can get that player back and at his age he'd be a massive asset.
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2017
7. Gary McSheffrey 12 month contract
13. Marko Marosi
18. Paul Keegan release
20. Aaron Taylor Sinclair release
21. Joe Pugh not seen him play
31. Joseph McCormick not seen him play
2018
1. Ross Etheridge release
2. Craig Alcock 12 month contracy
5. Mathieu Baudry
6. Andy Butler
9. John Marquis
11. Andy Williams
15. Joe Wright 12 month contract
17. Matty Blair
26. James Coppinger
27. Cedric Evina release
33. Louis Jones not had time
-Tony Donaldson not see him play
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2017
7. Gary McSheffrey 12 month contract
13. Marko Marosi
18. Paul Keegan release
20. Aaron Taylor Sinclair release
21. Joe Pugh not seen him play
31. Joseph McCormick not seen him play
2018
1. Ross Etheridge release
2. Craig Alcock 12 month contracy
5. Mathieu Baudry
6. Andy Butler
9. John Marquis
11. Andy Williams
15. Joe Wright 12 month contract
17. Matty Blair
26. James Coppinger
27. Cedric Evina release
33. Louis Jones not had time
-Tony Donaldson not see him play
Etherington and Evina are still in contract, you can not just release them
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Sorry thought you could pay them up
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Sorry thought you could pay them up
Only if they agree with the terms.
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Sorry thought you could pay them up
Only if they agree with the terms.
You have to pay an agent to get them out.
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Can offer them free transfers
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If they don't want to go they have the right to stay and collect their money.
Whether it would do their longer term futures any good is another matter though so they would have to consider that.
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Current contract situation:
Loans
24. Niall Mason (End of the Season)
25. Connor Grant (End of the Season)
2017
7. Gary McSheffrey
13. Marko Marosi
18. Paul Keegan
20. Aaron Taylor Sinclair
21. Joe Pugh
31. Joseph McCormick
2018
1. Ross Etheridge
2. Craig Alcock
5. Mathieu Baudry
6. Andy Butler
9. John Marquis
11. Andy Williams
15. Joe Wright
17. Matty Blair
26. James Coppinger
27. Cedric Evina
33. Louis Jones
-Tony Donaldson
2019
2. Mitchell Lund
3. Tyler Garratt
4. Luke McCullough
10. Tommy Rowe
14. Harry Middleton
19. Liam Mandeville
22. Will Longbottom
23. Alfie Beestin
29. Reece Fielding
38. Ian Lawlor
39. Alfie May
On the 2017 gang, I would certainly keep Marosi and Gary Mc. He is best one we have that can deliver corners and free kicks
Sorry if any of the players are by chance reading this i have respect for all the players there isn't a bad apple among them as far as i've ever heard so all deserve to be treated right but in football brutal decisions have to be made for the club to keep improving and also some need somewhere else where they will start games.
The one's i would let go on free transfers would be Pugh, Keegan, McCormick and Taylor-Sinclair as a fresh start would do him good. Etheridge, Evina i would make available to transfer. Louis Jones i would get out on loan as i would Lund, Beestin, Donaldson, Fielding, Longbottom and Middleton all these young players need some regular football to prove they are good enough our team needs to be ready to start next season as good as possible and for me tried and tested starts next season. The young fellas need to go and show how good they are when playing regularly.
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Harry Middleton is 22 now. He should be pushing on good enough for the first team by now. If he isn't then he probably never will be good enough.
I'd let Evina,ATS and Etheridge leave permanently and I'd let a few of the young lads go on loan, I'd also try sign Mason,Grant and Houghton on permanent deals.
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Why would people release Pugh?!
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Forgot about Keegan,I'd let him leave as well. Been a good servant for us but we have had his best days.
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Why would people release Pugh?!
Because he is so far back in the pecking order. He will not get on the bench next season.
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Why would people release Pugh?!
Because he is so far back in the pecking order. He will not get on the bench next season.
Then loan him out so he can develop.
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Forgot about Keegan,I'd let him leave as well. Been a good servant for us but we have had his best days.
Keegan is out of contract in the summer and is looking to move on.
I could see him being a good signing for Lincoln.
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Why would people release Pugh?!
Because he is so far back in the pecking order. He will not get on the bench next season.
Then loan him out so he can develop.
You can't keep players forever and keep sending them out on loan. There is a point where you have to make a decision on a players future.
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Why would people release Pugh?!
Because he is so far back in the pecking order. He will not get on the bench next season.
Then loan him out so he can develop.
You can't keep players forever and keep sending them out on loan. There is a point where you have to make a decision on a players future.
He's only been a pro this year. You're making it sound like he's been on loan several times. At the moment he's been on loan for his first season in the professional game just like Mandeville was and he's played more games and scored more goals than Mandeville did. But yeah, release a player you've never seen play.
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Is he a friend or relative of yours Donny O? Or is it just a case of Puppy Love ;)
I've no idea whether Pugh is any good or even how often he's playing - apart from the occasional Loan Watch update on here - but if he got released I don't think many fans would bat an eyelid. Likewise if he stays and goes on loan again I don't think there would be much of a response!
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Why would people release Pugh?!
Because he is so far back in the pecking order. He will not get on the bench next season.
Then loan him out so he can develop.
You can't keep players forever and keep sending them out on loan. There is a point where you have to make a decision on a players future.
Coming from the same bloke who reckons we should get shut of Garrett already.
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Is he a friend or relative of yours Donny O? Or is it just a case of Puppy Love ;)
I've no idea whether Pugh is any good or even how often he's playing - apart from the occasional Loan Watch update on here - but if he got released I don't think many fans would bat an eyelid. Likewise if he stays and goes on loan again I don't think there would be much of a response!
I just don't understand how any fan who has never seen him play can say he's not good enough. Fergie might decide that but I doubt any fan on here knows what he's like.
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Etheridge has played in 2 promotion (possibly title) winning sides this year - for anyone who hasn't seen him cv must look good
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Etheridge could still come good.
However I think both parties need a fresh start on that one
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Etheridge could still come good.
However I think both parties need a fresh start on that one
I would rather see Marosi stay and compete for No.1 with Lawlor
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Etheridge looks like he has fragile confidence so could probably do with a fresh set of fans now.
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I agree it's a shame it never worked out for him at Rovers, we obviously saw something in order to sign him
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Why would people release Pugh?!
Because he is so far back in the pecking order. He will not get on the bench next season.
Then loan him out so he can develop.
You can't keep players forever and keep sending them out on loan. There is a point where you have to make a decision on a players future.
He's only been a pro this year. You're making it sound like he's been on loan several times. At the moment he's been on loan for his first season in the professional game just like Mandeville was and he's played more games and scored more goals than Mandeville did. But yeah, release a player you've never seen play.
Well I have seen him play and I know quite a lot about him from my step son as he has been coaching in the academy for many years.
My opinion is that it would be in the best interest of the player to move on to another club so his development can continue.
He is not going to progress at Rovers now as there is, Marquis, Williams, Mandeville, and May all ahead of him and every likelihood that DF will bring in another striker in the summer.
My opinion of course and you are entitled to yours of course.
Football is all about opinions and we should all respect other people's even if we think they are wrong.
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Etheridge looks like he has fragile confidence so could probably do with a fresh set of fans now.
This is similar to Marosi for the first year or two, I know he has been offered a new contract which I thought he had actually accepted but it appears not, so if he is disgruntled as Lawlor seems to be first choice, will he go and will the keeper coaching staff worked overtime with Etheridge. I don't know
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Why would people release Pugh?!
Because he is so far back in the pecking order. He will not get on the bench next season.
Then loan him out so he can develop.
You can't keep players forever and keep sending them out on loan. There is a point where you have to make a decision on a players future.
He's only been a pro this year. You're making it sound like he's been on loan several times. At the moment he's been on loan for his first season in the professional game just like Mandeville was and he's played more games and scored more goals than Mandeville did. But yeah, release a player you've never seen play.
Well I have seen him play and I know quite a lot about him from my step son as he has been coaching in the academy for many years.
My opinion is that it would be in the best interest of the player to move on to another club so his development can continue.
He is not going to progress at Rovers now as there is, Marquis, Williams, Mandeville, and May all ahead of him and every likelihood that DF will bring in another striker in the summer.
My opinion of course and you are entitled to yours of course.
Football is all about opinions and we should all respect other people's even if we think they are wrong.
Fair enough. I don't have an opinion on him because I've only seen him in a friendly and he might be shit but I can't understand why anyone would get rid of someone they don't know about. Fair enough if you have seen him though.
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Etheridge looks like he has fragile confidence so could probably do with a fresh set of fans now.
Destroyed by The lot behind his goals, maybe the same people who have had a go at Lawlor.
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He didn't exactly come across as a confident lad in his interview when he signed.
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He is a young kid and is in a new town with new faces and seems to be shy. We are not a big club, but we are bigger than Accrington. He will have felt pressure and after a bad start he will have had his confidence rocked. I still think he could do a job, but at the same time Lawlor is alreadymy h better so a move may suit him.
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Etheridge is 22 years old. Old enough to have a pair of b*llocks.
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Why would people release Pugh?!
Because he is so far back in the pecking order. He will not get on the bench next season.
Then loan him out so he can develop.
You can't keep players forever and keep sending them out on loan. There is a point where you have to make a decision on a players future.
He's only been a pro this year. You're making it sound like he's been on loan several times. At the moment he's been on loan for his first season in the professional game just like Mandeville was and he's played more games and scored more goals than Mandeville did. But yeah, release a player you've never seen play.
Well I have seen him play and I know quite a lot about him from my step son as he has been coaching in the academy for many years.
My opinion is that it would be in the best interest of the player to move on to another club so his development can continue.
He is not going to progress at Rovers now as there is, Marquis, Williams, Mandeville, and May all ahead of him and every likelihood that DF will bring in another striker in the summer.
My opinion of course and you are entitled to yours of course.
Football is all about opinions and we should all respect other people's even if we think they are wrong.
Fair enough. I don't have an opinion on him because I've only seen him in a friendly and he might be shit but I can't understand why anyone would get rid of someone they don't know about. Fair enough if you have seen him though.
I am not saying Pugh isn't any good, on the contrary when I have seen him I have been fairly impressed.
The point I am making is that he so far back in the pecking order now at Rovers that it would be in his own interest to move on to give his career a chance.
From Rovers point of view you can't hang on to players that are not going to get a first team opportunity as they are taking up some of the playing budget.
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Why would people release Pugh?!
Because he is so far back in the pecking order. He will not get on the bench next season.
Then loan him out so he can develop.
You can't keep players forever and keep sending them out on loan. There is a point where you have to make a decision on a players future.
He's only been a pro this year. You're making it sound like he's been on loan several times. At the moment he's been on loan for his first season in the professional game just like Mandeville was and he's played more games and scored more goals than Mandeville did. But yeah, release a player you've never seen play.
Well I have seen him play and I know quite a lot about him from my step son as he has been coaching in the academy for many years.
My opinion is that it would be in the best interest of the player to move on to another club so his development can continue.
He is not going to progress at Rovers now as there is, Marquis, Williams, Mandeville, and May all ahead of him and every likelihood that DF will bring in another striker in the summer.
My opinion of course and you are entitled to yours of course.
Football is all about opinions and we should all respect other people's even if we think they are wrong.
Fair enough. I don't have an opinion on him because I've only seen him in a friendly and he might be shit but I can't understand why anyone would get rid of someone they don't know about. Fair enough if you have seen him though.
I am not saying Pugh isn't any good, on the contrary when I have seen him I have been fairly impressed.
The point I am making is that he so far back in the pecking order now at Rovers that it would be in his own interest to move on to give his career a chance.
From Rovers point of view you can't hang on to players that are not going to get a first team opportunity as they are taking up some of the playing budget.
Why would people release Pugh?!
Because he is so far back in the pecking order. He will not get on the bench next season.
Then loan him out so he can develop.
You can't keep players forever and keep sending them out on loan. There is a point where you have to make a decision on a players future.
He's only been a pro this year. You're making it sound like he's been on loan several times. At the moment he's been on loan for his first season in the professional game just like Mandeville was and he's played more games and scored more goals than Mandeville did. But yeah, release a player you've never seen play.
Well I have seen him play and I know quite a lot about him from my step son as he has been coaching in the academy for many years.
My opinion is that it would be in the best interest of the player to move on to another club so his development can continue.
He is not going to progress at Rovers now as there is, Marquis, Williams, Mandeville, and May all ahead of him and every likelihood that DF will bring in another striker in the summer.
My opinion of course and you are entitled to yours of course.
Football is all about opinions and we should all respect other people's even if we think they are wrong.
Fair enough. I don't have an opinion on him because I've only seen him in a friendly and he might be shit but I can't understand why anyone would get rid of someone they don't know about. Fair enough if you have seen him though.
I am not saying Pugh isn't any good, on the contrary when I have seen him I have been fairly impressed.
The point I am making is that he so far back in the pecking order now at Rovers that it would be in his own interest to move on to give his career a chance.
From Rovers point of view you can't hang on to players that are not going to get a first team opportunity as they are taking up some of the playing budget.
if rovers think he is good enough and will make it as a pro then loan him out for the season to a league 2 or conference club and let the lad play games and see how he develops
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I wouldn't blame Morosi for being a bit tentative about signing. I don't think that DF sees him in competition with Lawlor I think he sees him as his number 2. I personally think it should be the other way around.
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Good Article on Houghton's likely return in DFP, initially on loan due to the injury then possibly Permanent.
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I wouldn't blame Morosi for being a bit tentative about signing. I don't think that DF sees him in competition with Lawlor I think he sees him as his number 2. I personally think it should be the other way around.
I am not sure which of Marosi or Lawlor is the better keeper.