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donnywolf, of course the tories will spin it what would you expect them to do?
Galloway says he is going to court to overturn the result, given his vote count was well behind Labour and Conservative he must want the Conservatives to win. It’s there for all to see a far left candidate wants a right wing candidate to win, and folk bleat about The labour centre uniting with the left
Quote from: Filo on July 02, 2021, 07:07:53 amGalloway says he is going to court to overturn the result, given his vote count was well behind Labour and Conservative he must want the Conservatives to win. It’s there for all to see a far left candidate wants a right wing candidate to win, and folk bleat about The labour centre uniting with the leftGalloway going to court you say? He must have the busiest lawyer in the world.A good result for Labour in the end especially with Galloway outperforming expectations. As already said the Tories really relied on the vote split to be enough and it wasn't. As my Tory supporting friend has pointed out, its no huge loss if it means Keith gets to lead Labour into a General Election.
Well it's hardly a ringing endorsement for Labour but a win is a win and at least stops some of the bleeding .I sincerely hope Kim makes a success of it and can heal many of the divides that exist in the area .
No Tyke you are not irrelevant. You are just a long, long way from being a majority in the party or the country.Labour cannot win without you. But Labour sure as f**king hell cannot win with only you.Your call.And don't flatter yourself that you have the faintest idea what "my lot" are.
Quote from: wesisback on July 02, 2021, 07:39:00 amQuote from: Filo on July 02, 2021, 07:07:53 amGalloway says he is going to court to overturn the result, given his vote count was well behind Labour and Conservative he must want the Conservatives to win. It’s there for all to see a far left candidate wants a right wing candidate to win, and folk bleat about The labour centre uniting with the leftGalloway going to court you say? He must have the busiest lawyer in the world.A good result for Labour in the end especially with Galloway outperforming expectations. As already said the Tories really relied on the vote split to be enough and it wasn't. As my Tory supporting friend has pointed out, its no huge loss if it means Keith gets to lead Labour into a General Election. Perhaps if the Left concentrated on fighting the Tories rather than fighting Starmer, you might be able to make your pal eat his words.
Tyke.You keep that mindset old lad. You keep your Brexit. It'll be a Brexit defined by Tories for the rest of your life.You just don't get it do you? Brexit has been weaponised by the Tories to keep this split going on the left. You are walking straight into their trap. Simple question. Do you ever want an economically left wing Govt again in your lifetime. Just yes or no, it doesn't need a machine gun rant.
Don't lecture me on loyalty. I didn't just vote for Corbyn's Labour party, I was on the streets campaigning for it. Because the difference between you and me is I'd rather see a Labour Govt that I didn't fully agree with than see Johnson's spivs and kleptocrats running us. Maybe you need to have a think what you really want.
Both Labour & the Tories are framing the result in their own ways. They’re both valid, but offer differing views of the end result. Labour should be pleased as their vote was undoubtedly split thanks to Galloway but they still won. The Tories should be pleased because they got within a whisker of gaining a previously untouchable seat. The challenge now for Labour is to understand, and act upon, just why people in their traditional heartlands feel that the Tories represent their hopes, aspirations and concerns more than they do. It’s worth remembering that the Tories have, historically done nothing for these places except to decimate the very industries in which they relied on, yet they’re seen as a better option than Labour? While Labour spend their days naval gazing and infighting, they’re never going to find the answer. The Tories need to work out how to keep these places blue (or target blue) whilst managing the huge cuts to public services which are inevitably on the way, and in which many people in these places rely. Many in the Labour Party need to concentrate on the political fight rather than the ideological fight.
One of the ways Starmer and the Labour Party could go about healing the divides is to roll out a big campaign and put some serious resources around recruiting for want of a better term real people to eventually become Labour MP's .A road map in to politics for everyone The single mother , the nhs nurse on the frontline , the tube driver , the small business person , the lad who wasted his education and found himself in a warehouse on a zhc .A real programme on a government by the people for the people campaign .Or would this campaign force the Labour Party to face some uncomfortable truths and put too many noses out of joint and a threat to a cosy existence ?
Quote from: Filo on July 02, 2021, 07:07:53 amGalloway says he is going to court to overturn the result, given his vote count was well behind Labour and Conservative he must want the Conservatives to win. It’s there for all to see a far left candidate wants a right wing candidate to win, and folk bleat about The labour centre uniting with the left Filo,What makes you think Galloway is a left candidate?Genuine question, because I think he is just an opportunist, as likely to be right wing if he reckons votes are to be had.Great result for Kim, really pleased for her.Achieved despite a very poor campaign from Labour head office.
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on July 02, 2021, 10:11:50 amBoth Labour & the Tories are framing the result in their own ways. They’re both valid, but offer differing views of the end result. Labour should be pleased as their vote was undoubtedly split thanks to Galloway but they still won. The Tories should be pleased because they got within a whisker of gaining a previously untouchable seat. The challenge now for Labour is to understand, and act upon, just why people in their traditional heartlands feel that the Tories represent their hopes, aspirations and concerns more than they do. It’s worth remembering that the Tories have, historically done nothing for these places except to decimate the very industries in which they relied on, yet they’re seen as a better option than Labour? While Labour spend their days naval gazing and infighting, they’re never going to find the answer. The Tories need to work out how to keep these places blue (or target blue) whilst managing the huge cuts to public services which are inevitably on the way, and in which many people in these places rely. Many in the Labour Party need to concentrate on the political fight rather than the ideological fight. That previously untouchable seat was Tory until 1997[/quoteThe seat went through a number of boundary changes up to 1997 so until that point it’s difficult to compare like for like. Labour have held the seat for 24 years with majorities ranging between 3000 and 6000. That is fairly untouchable.
Quote from: albie on July 02, 2021, 10:08:45 amQuote from: Filo on July 02, 2021, 07:07:53 amGalloway says he is going to court to overturn the result, given his vote count was well behind Labour and Conservative he must want the Conservatives to win. It’s there for all to see a far left candidate wants a right wing candidate to win, and folk bleat about The labour centre uniting with the left Filo,What makes you think Galloway is a left candidate?Genuine question, because I think he is just an opportunist, as likely to be right wing if he reckons votes are to be had.Great result for Kim, really pleased for her.Achieved despite a very poor campaign from Labour head office.I'd be interested to know what you thought they did wrong .......... and right Albie.