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Viking Chat => Lucky Pint => Topic started by: VivaRovers on August 20, 2010, 11:52:01 am
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Thought I'd start this match thread seen as the match preview for this game is now up on Viva Rovers (http://vivarovers.wordpress.com/2010/08/20/this-man-craig-cardiff-city-preview/). If you're not going to the match and you are a Twitter user Viva Rovers will be attempting to bring live updates of the game too, just follow @vivarovers on Twitter, or keep checking the Twitter Updates box on our website.
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Dave Penney's going to be the expert summariser on Radio Sheffield tomorrow.
Just been interviewed and his first sentence started \"To be fair...\"
Bless him, hasn't changed.
He's looking forward to a cracking game of football and, so are we !
Let's be positive. Copps starts where he left off after coming on v Bristol. Driving runs in to the heart of their defence. Thomas and JOC to keep em out at the back.
1-2 Rovers. Sharp and a winner from Thomas.
Rovers last the Football League show. 3 mins with 2 1/2 mins devoted to Bellamy's debut.
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I seem to remember watching last years match on the internet. Does anybody know if it is on again and what website
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tomorrows champioship 3pm jobby live on foreign tv and the tinterweb involves a welsh side and a team from north of Watford!!!!!!
Norwich v Swansea.........................
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I'm going to be relying on this thread today for my updates as i'm resigned to working in Rotherscum land for the day.
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Team news. As expected Thomas in for Martis.
Copps starts and Shiels drops to bench.
Not convinced with defence with Locky and Thomas in the middle. Thought they may have gone with a back 3/5 to counter pace.
Anyway, come on you red and white wizzards !
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not used to this but can i listen in if i give my email address ?
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Are we winning yet?
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Same here,is there the Yahoo thing on.I've not done it before but would like to have invite and try it if possible. user id is Drover2 or not sure whatelse is needed for invite? is it Drover2@yahoo.com or something?
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Just had a minutes applause.
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Dingles winning away at Bristol
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Rovers give ball away. JOC chops Chopra, who's injured.
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Sullivan just tipped a Bellamy shot over according to reporter on SSN.
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Why was it a goal kick then ?
Chopra back on.
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Don't know. Just passing on what the reporter on Soccer Saturday said.
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First effort from Rovers. Mason just over.
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Oooh, just wide from Stock
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stocky goes close,come on rovers...
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If anybody wants decent regular updates from somebody at the game, VivaRovers on Twitter is pretty good.
http://twitter.com/vivarovers
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sharp goes close ,corner to the rovers come on rovers
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Dingles 2-0 up
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great strike from Sharp, corner. Cleared.
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it was two points dropped last week,thought bristol were a very poor side
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sKitsons and rotherscum losing :)
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QPHharharhar gone 1 - 0 up at the sKitsons
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Stocky running the show apparently.
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Rotherham is 1-1 now btw.
And Bristol City get a lifeline. Bris C 1-2 Dingles
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Stock running the game according to SSN
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ssn say brian stock running the show so far ...
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stocky running the show ssn
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Is Stocky running the show?
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Bristol City 2-2 Dingles now.
Didn't take long for that to slip away :D
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Apparently Stock is running the show.
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bristol 2 barnsley 2
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Is Stocky playing??!
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First fifteen minutes out of the way.
Come on Rovers!
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:D:D
\"Stocky running the show\" is the new \"Sheff United lose appeal\"
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is stocky having a mare :laugh:
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Still can't get into Player
:( :( :(
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MrFrost wrote:
Apparently Stock is running the show.
Anyone know if Stocky is running the show?
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ScillyRover wrote:
Still can't get into Player
:( :( :(
Took a while today but crystal clear now.... :)
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Is Stocky running?
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Anybody in particular running the show?
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Bothroyd goal disallowed for offside.
Miles off according to Viva. Correct decision.
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No it's just for show
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Get stock off - bloody rubbish o driscoll
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Is this the year QPR live up to expectations I wonder?
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How is Stock doing?
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Running the show.
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Standanista wrote:
Running the show.
Cheers. Couldn't find out anywhere!
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VikingJames wrote:
How is Stock doing?
Actually to be fair he normally runs the show against Cardiff - normally trying to impress Toshack
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snods big brother wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
Apparently Stock is running the show.
Anyone know if Stocky is running the show?
think he is playing for wales today, or was it he is playing in wales :laugh:
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I think Coppinger will be key to this game. Get at em.
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Nah, Copps is only a meagre part in Stocky's show!
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According to BBC possession 66-34 to Cardiff in the first 20 minutes
Takes a hell of a player to run the show on 34% possession :laugh:
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Is this Stocky any good then? maybe we should try and sign him permanently when his trial comes to an end.
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Woods fires wide after good build up.
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It's fcucking horrendous following a game like this!!!!!!!!!
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b*llocks.
0-1 Bothroyd.
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Crap. :(
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VikingJames wrote:
Woods fires wide after good build up.
He never did, did he? he is always soooooo clinical in front of goal.
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Cardiff used two subs already
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We were doing so well. Sh*t.
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At least Chopra has gone off injured.
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0-1, that wasn't in the script I wrote.
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Come on lads, a long way to go yet. Get those tackles in, they've only got one sub left.
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Wayne Thomas seems to be getting a bit of a slating from the commentator
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They are always likely to score, as their strike force is immense. But their defence is far from steady, so our best chance is just to go for it!
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I want to kill the commentator - its Boothroyd, not Bothroyd he can't f....g pronounce it properly, pratt!
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Wayne Thomas seems to be getting a bit of a slating from the commentator
Dave Penney said that after a dodgy, he started to look strong.
Let's get to half time and go again.
Them having already used 2 subs has got be be exploited. SOD said we need to be brave !
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RedandWhiteHoops wrote:
I want to kill the commentator - its Boothroyd, not Bothroyd he can't f....g pronounce it properly, pratt!
It is actually Bothroyd.
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I want to kill im anyway!
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RedandWhiteHoops wrote:
I want to kill the commentator - its Boothroyd, not Bothroyd he can't f....g pronounce it properly, pratt!
Fail
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Hope that Bothroyd goes off, he's made of glass for a big lad.
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Omens are never good when we go 1 down, we arent reknowned for battling back from that position, we can but hope I suppose.
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I said before the game i'd settle for a point.
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Muted half time applause from Cardiff, so they know they are in a game.
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Elsewhere in Wales, Dave Morley has scored a penalty for Bangor against Bala Town :D
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Omens are never good when we go 1 down, we arent reknowned for battling back from that position, we can but hope I suppose.
Short memory, Ha !
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Come on lads, take it to them. Let's not let em get comfortable.
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Copps just hit crossbar.
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Dingles winning 3-2
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I know I'm not there but Woods sounds like he's being his inconsistant self. Let's swap him for another inconsistant player...Shiels !!??
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Rotherham 5-3 up too. LeFondre hat trick
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Finally got in. Listened to those condescending Cardiff w**kers for a bit.... Now on our commentary.
Think Cardiff would be better getting Bryn and 'Ness to commentate.
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Shiels on for Mason.
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SODs heard me ! Shiels coming on.
b*llocks. Mason coming off....WRONG ONE !!
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2-0 Bothroyd.
Game over.
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FFS
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Ah well. There we go. Won one Drew one Lost one.
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Shocking defending!
Friend might be good going forward, but he's a weak full back.
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Is this the time where we don't see a win until about the end of november :laugh:
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VikingJames wrote:
2-0 Bothroyd.
Game over.
Not until the fat lady signs - but I can hear her warming up
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Think they would beat anyone with that forward line
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Right. Nowt to lose. Get Dumbuya and Brooker on.
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snods big brother wrote:
VikingJames wrote:
2-0 Bothroyd.
Game over.
Not until the fat lady signs - but I can hear her warming up
I know we haven't got much money to spend on transfers but signing fat women is definately not the way to go.
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3-0 Burke.
Game well and truely over!
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VikingJames wrote:
3-0 Burke.
Game well and truely over!
Can distinctly hear a fat old girl singing now!
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Get Locky off, bring JOC in to middle, Dumbuya down the right and Woods off for Brooker.
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As is common with Rovers once we go behind, we capitulate and go on to lose.
The signs were there v Bristol last week when they were unlucky not to extend their lead before we got a last gasp equaliser....worrying times defensively.
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DonnyBazR0ver wrote:
Get Locky off, bring JOC in to middle, Dumbuya down the right and Woods off for Brooker.
That is exactly what I wouldn't do!!
We'd get ripped apart.
As DP says - Damage limitation.
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Friend sounds like he's a liability
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I just hope we can get one back now to make it look respectable.
We've been very naive here. Hopefully we'll learn our lesson.
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Thinwhiteduke wrote:
As is common with Rovers once we go behind, we capitulate and go on to lose.
The signs were there v Bristol last week when they were unlucky not to extend their lead before we got a last gasp equaliser....worrying times defensively.
And conversely, other than Billy ofcourse we don't sound effective up front either
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Damage limitation
The limitation has caused the damage. How do we learn about players, formations unless you give them a chance.
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Id agree folks poor old Mr Friend is getting found out big time, I think that teams will pick him up as a target area.
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DonnyBazR0ver wrote:
Damage limitation
The limitation has caused the damage. How do we learn about players, formations unless you give them a chance.
I'd rather us sit on this and lose 3-0 than put a load of strikers on and lose 5 or 6.
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Brooker and Dumbuya coming on.
Gillett and Friend off.
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Stop writing them off - they are playing an exceptional side - Just lets move on...
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VikingJames wrote:
DonnyBazR0ver wrote:
Damage limitation
The limitation has caused the damage. How do we learn about players, formations unless you give them a chance.
I'd rather us sit on this and lose 3-0 than put a load of strikers on and lose 5 or 6.
Or perhaps lose 3-2 :unsure:
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ScillyRover wrote:
VikingJames wrote:
DonnyBazR0ver wrote:
Damage limitation
The limitation has caused the damage. How do we learn about players, formations unless you give them a chance.
I'd rather us sit on this and lose 3-0 than put a load of strikers on and lose 5 or 6.
Or perhaps lose 3-2 :unsure:
Are you listening to the game? They are SO strong on the break.
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Exactly why I suggested Locky Off and JOC in middle.
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4-0 Bellamy free kick.
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had to happen didn't it.
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4-0 is embarrassing though. I hope we learn a lesson from this though - it's not often we et thrashed. Anything to say Sean?
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2 shots on target from Rovers. I thought Cardiff were supposed to be dodgy at the back ???
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wish i'd not got the media player working now!
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We usually get 1 or 2 thrashings per season. Hopefully we're getting it out of the way early doors :D
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nice one rovers wrote:
wish i'd not got the media player working now!
I know what you mean on a day like this it just makes it worse
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VikingJames wrote:
We usually get 1 or 2 thrashings per season. Hopefully we're getting it out of the way early doors :D
yeah thats what i said, might as well get it out of the system now, and at least its away.
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Can we start a campaign to have the Welsh clubs put in the League of Wales please? In return, we'll take Berwick Rangers back from Scotland. :)
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Fair swap
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we certainly have to learn. SOD talked about being brave and in that first 5 minutes of the second half, same as last week, we come out all limp wristed.
If the players don't respond, then SOD has to be brave himself with his subs.
I was always worried about pace, and I'm surprised he went with Locky and Thomas as a pairing. If he insists on playing JOC in his preferred position then Hird would have been a better choice IMO.
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Of course it's disppointing to lose and it sounds from player as though we have hardly created a serious effort and it is not a typical Rovers performance.
Not many teams will take points away at Cardiff, so as the previous poster suggests, let's just move on and seriously look forward to the return of Oster and many happiier Saturdays this season.
Cardiff are shaping already as Promotion certainties. Their wage bill for bellamy alone is way above our capability, so we somtimes need to understand what we are and where we are and be content with that.
It all beats days at Hednesford and Gravesend.
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Bellamy Prem player as is Koumas....and they have that lad from Man Utd, top it off eith Chopra Burke etc we were always on a hiding to nothing.....aparently cheats do prosper!
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Last week we looked very weak defensively, not sure of the way forward to be honest, it doesn't matter who we play Jimmy is the only consistantly good player. One player in defence is no good in this league, but what can we do.
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Every bloody time we lose - you lot make it sound we are hopeless FFS
Why can you lot not just except that on paper they were miles better and so it proved.
Why do you have to pull all the players to pieces ???
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We need to sign a Mills/Shackell type centre back. I'm sorry but the likes of Lockwood and Martis are not not the answer. I've not seen enough of Thomas to pass judgement.
I reckon we need another left back aswell.
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A back 5 would shore things up better.
Hopefully, with Chambers back in for Friend, so until we unearth a good pacey centre half, then JOC needs to drop in.
If that means giving Dumbuya a licence to go forward then that is better than relying on him purely as a defensive full back in a flat back 4.
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There wont be many parting with £28 for the Hull game now!
Same old though, promising start to the game, to fall off the wagon in the second half.
Oh well.
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And that's where the greedy exploitation backfires.
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f**k em if that the attitude ...lost to a good team thats all!
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have to agree norfolk.the moaning at every defeat and poor performance makes me sick.
cardiff will prove to be a top team this season.the front three they have plus burke will im sure lead them to promotion.we on the other hand are not rubbish and not brilliant.after every defeat all you see on here is a list of players who are rubbish and need replacing.
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Ruby some of the people on here not got a clue !!!
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ruby12345 wrote:
have to agree norfolk.the moaning at every defeat and poor performance makes me sick.
cardiff will prove to be a top team this season.the front three they have plus burke will im sure lead them to promotion.we on the other hand are not rubbish and not brilliant.after every defeat all you see on here is a list of players who are rubbish and need replacing.
There's a difference between moaning and pointing out where we are weak.
We are weak defensively, that is obvious. If all we did was applaud the efforts every game without highlighting areas for improvement, life on the forum owuld be very dull.
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MrFrost wrote:
ruby12345 wrote:
have to agree norfolk.the moaning at every defeat and poor performance makes me sick.
cardiff will prove to be a top team this season.the front three they have plus burke will im sure lead them to promotion.we on the other hand are not rubbish and not brilliant.after every defeat all you see on here is a list of players who are rubbish and need replacing.
There's a difference between moaning and pointing out where we are weak.
We are weak defensively, that is obvious. If all we did was applaud the efforts every game without highlighting areas for improvement, life on the forum owuld be very dull.
Mr Frost is spot on.
Take the blinkers off guys!
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would be better if we got behind the lads also.if we had won today you would have found something to moan about.
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ruby12345 wrote:
would be better if we got behind the lads also.if we had won today you would have found something to moan about.
Who said anything about not being behind the team?
I pointed out against Preston we looked weak at the back.
On the flip side we have an excellent midfield.
Like I said, what's the point in a forum if we can't discuss performances and the team as a whole?
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mcfrost having been a viewer of this forum for a very long time(but rarely post much)your moaning on all things drfc is the stuff of legend.
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ruby12345 wrote:
mcfrost having been a viewer of this forum for a very long time(but rarely post much)your moaning on all things drfc is the stuff of legend.
No, it's just a case of being able to seperate moaning from constructive critisism.
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ruby12345 wrote:
would be better if we got behind the lads also.if we had won today you would have found something to moan about.
Can't you point out that we've got a weak defence, and get behind the team at the same time? I wasn't aware of that one.
I wouldn't have found something to moan about. There is a big difference between being negative and being honest!
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fair point mate.but in this thread ive seen certain players being labelled a liability,donkeys,useless,need replacing,hardly true is it and not supportive of the guys in question at all. kneejerk reactions to losing to a top top team.
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I've seen the word liability, but not useless, donkeys or need replacing. Care to point them out?
Even so, maybe you should step back and consider they might be right! I don't mind people trying to be upbeat, as people respond in different ways, but it winds me up when people try to make out that all is rosy in the garden, and try to belittle the realists who point out some of the harsh truths.
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ruby12345 wrote:
fair point mate.but in this thread ive seen certain players being labelled a liability,donkeys,useless,need replacing,hardly true is it and not supportive of the guys in question at all. kneejerk reactions to losing to a top top team.
Can you please highlight where any person has called a player a liability, a donkey or useless?
I pointed out that certain players are not the answer to our defensive issue's. As back up/squad players, i'd have them here all day long to come in every now and then and do a job, but we are desperately missing a commanding presence at the back (ie a Mills or Shackell).
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whilst belittling the people who think we will be fine this season.like last season and the one before.
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We have a defence that try there best against a team of world beaters - CB could play anywhere in the world !
Lets keep the faith and stop moaning !
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ruby12345 wrote:
whilst belittling the people who think we will be fine this season.like last season and the one before.
I didn't say we wouldn't be fine this season.
I just said that the defence needs improving. Do you defy that?
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Norfolk N Chance wrote:
We have a defence that try there best against a team of world beaters - CB could play anywhere in the world !
Lets keep the faith and stop moaning !
Were the same defence playing a team of world beaters last week?
I hear what your saying, but we are still lacking at the back.
We need that commanding figure there.
But, I have every confidence we'll be safe again this season.
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it needs improving on todays evidence yes.
but on the previous 2 games and 2 friendlys with wendys and wba.no
give em a chance.
i have a feeling that cardiff would have bashed most teams today with all the euphoria over bellamy.
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mr frost i dont want to get into an arguing match with you but against bristol city i remember the team as a whole not at thier best.i also dont remember much wrong with the defending that day either.bristol had only a limited number of chances.
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The best back four is JOC / Martis / Thomas / Chambers ....
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ruby12345 wrote:
mr frost i dont want to get into an arguing match with you but against bristol city i remember the team as a whole not at thier best.i also dont remember much wrong with the defending that day either.bristol had only a limited number of chances.
Apart from the goal when the marking was non existant!
Martis was really good when he was on loan with us, and I think its more of a confidence thing with him.
Lockwood is decent back up.
Hird as above
Thomas - not seen enough to comment, although reports today suggest he was poor.
Friend - seems to have been a weak link so far. I'm sure SOD will work his magic though. I'd prefer Chambers in however.
I think a Mills/Shackell type centre back will sure up the defence, and make it more organised as a whole.
Lets face it though, if we were brilliant in every department we would be topping the league.
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im sure the return of chambers and jimmy moving to cb will see us fine.also in any team the midfield and to a certain extent the 2 wide strikers we use in 4-3-3 have a big responsibility to protect the back 4 when we havent got the ball.
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I want Oster back after all midfield can help the defence !!
He is back in training get him in the Hull game.
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the goal against bristol was from a set piece.we had all outfield players bar billy back defending it.so not completley a reflection solely on the back 4 players.
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No one. Not Mr Frost, or me have been ripping in to the team. If you can'r debate the strengths and weaknesses what's the point in having a forum where you can discuss these issues.
Everyone has their opinion and it's good to air them.
Even you Norfolk, Martis and Thomas at the back ? Mmmmm, I've thought about that for 2 mins and I've decided I'm right. Martis and Thomas are unlikely to be the best combination.
Rare as rocking horse muck do you have big centre forwards anymore. Certainly you need to combat any aeriel threat but pace passing and crosses are the killers. That's why you need a footballing centre half to compliment the big guy.
As most have indicated, JOC returning to CB would help.
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The best back four is JOC / Martis / Thomas / Chambers ....
Disagree with that IMO
JOC Locky Thomas Chambo
Locky has been decent this season, not sure about today as ive not been to the game. but i'd easily have him ahead of Martis
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adam3rovers wrote:
The best back four is JOC / Martis / Thomas / Chambers ....
Disagree with that IMO
JOC Locky Thomas Chambo
Locky has been decent this season, not sure about today as ive not been to the game. but i'd easily have him ahead of Martis
Based on today's performance, I'd never play Locky and Thomas together again. Doesn't matter if you play Cardiff or Carmarthen, they're defending today was utterly appalling. Martis' is better than the pair of them on his day, he just isn't on form at the minute.
Norfolk, ruby, what do you expect from the fans when we perform like we did today and get a 4-0 hiding? Nobody has come out and claimed it's the end of the world or that we're going down, or that the manager and players need sacking etc. All people have done is point out quite rightly where we are going wrong, and discuss areas where we are weak.
I'd much rather read a thread discussing these things than seeing a line of posts that just say 'oh well, in SOD we trust. All the players are wonderful. RTID.'
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Am I the only person who didn't think we played that bad ?
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Match report from this game now up here on Viva Rovers (http://vivarovers.wordpress.com/2010/08/21/cardiff-city-4-0-doncaster-rovers/). I'll let that put my opinon across.
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Excellent report Glen.
As you stated, the first half was even, with chances to both sides, which resulted in both keepers being called upon. Bothroyd's first goal was certainly fortunate, with the ball falling very kindly for him. The second goal was poor defending, as the cross was put in far too easily, and Bothroyd was able to pick his spot unopposed. Lockwood will have been disappointed with the third. As you stated, he was almost static, as the ball soared over him to set Burke clear. The fourth, I actually missed, as I looked away at the wrong moment, only to hear the roar when the ball hit the net.
In summary, we matched a very good Cardiff side for most of the first half, and up until the first goal, actually looked marginally more likely to score. The second goal was the killer though, as it not only gave Cardiff a two-goal lead, but also the confidence to run at our defence more often. So, a 4-0 defeat, but I am not too despondant, as Cardiff will certainly be a top six team come May. They are as strong in attack most premiership teams, and I wouldn't be surprised to see them score 80+ goals this season.