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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Wokingviking on September 24, 2010, 11:43:48 pm
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...Unveil yourself Padge (see post further down), that's great if we've got someone ref-ing at Conference level standard, I'm not aware of anyone else from the town ref-ing at that level.
At a lower level, did you know Alf the taxi-driver, a bloke we all respected, who passed away recently? - I know he only did local football, but he was special; I only remember playing with him in the middle once, but I thought then what a brilliant bloke he was.
Ernie Crawford* was probably our last flagship referee, ref'd the World Cup I think, and I remember him giving his time to ref a local cup final for a kids game I played in (Intake Invaders in the 70's) and I also remember him taking the flag once at OBV in the 70's when the ref got injured (bit like Jimmy Hill once did but he got a bit more publicity).
* Just remembered that someone recently posted that Ernie should have got the '66 Cup final but was barred for geographics because of Wednesday, or am I wrong?
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My dad used to be an official in the top division back in the 1980s. He mainly ran the line but did end up refereeing a few games in the top flight. Used to referee at the lower levels, particularly conference.
The Rovers used to call on his services for early pitch inspections at Belle Vue, to save the referee having to travel if there was no chance of the game being on.
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I used to work with Ernie Crawford at the Plant. I often wondered how he coped with the pressure of being a top flight Ref as he was a chain smoking bag of nerves.
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.....he was a very nice bloke though I should add.
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Les Hayes was another top referee from Doncaster who officiated on the league list during the 70s
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Roger Furnandiz reffed in the Football League in the 80's and 90's.
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Ernie Crawford was a member of the 1966 World Cup referees panel but was only used as a linesman- as was the future WCF referee Jack Taylor.
It was Taylor who got the 1966 FA Cup Final only eight years after becoming a League referee (he was appointed to the list at 29, which was almost unheard of in those days.) At that time the FA Cup Final was usually given to refs in their final season, so Ernie Crawford would have been well in line for the job.
He did referee the final of the 1962-63 League Cup final (the first leg between Birmingham and Villa) but in those days, when the final was a two-leg affair it wasn't as prestigious a competition as it is now.
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I remember one of the Bassindales (not sure which) who was a football league linesman some time ago.
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mutleyrover wrote:
My dad used to be an official in the top division back in the 1980s. He mainly ran the line but did end up refereeing a few games in the top flight. Used to referee at the lower levels, particularly conference.
The Rovers used to call on his services for early pitch inspections at Belle Vue, to save the referee having to travel if there was no chance of the game being on.
Is your Dad Mick Kilby by any chance? If so I remember him at Bridon back in the eighties where he used to tell me stories of his refereeing exploits.
Was very unlucky not to get higher in the game by all accounts.
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Wellred wrote:
I remember one of the Bassindales (not sure which) who was a football league linesman some time ago.
Carl Bassindale was a FL linesman and I think his dad was as well.
There's a chap called Richard Wigglesworth who is a current FL linesman and is listed as from Doncaster. He's also a Level 2 and referees on the Blue Square Premier. He could be our next FL ref.
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I remember Les Hayes when I was an apprentice, apparently he sent the wrong person off on match of the day and used to say ''I.ve had 30,000 people calling me a ba$t%rd so you lot can't upset me'' :laugh: Seem to remember as a good bloke.
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Ernie Crawford used to train at Belle Vue on Wednesday nights with the Juniors . He made me feel important when during a friendly against the A team he would add little asides like .. well done son .. good shot or ...go in with your shoulder next time and you won't get winded !! That was his way of being a real part of what was going on in the match for every single player .
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At a lower level, did you know Alf the taxi-driver, a bloke we all respected, who passed away recently? - I know he only did local football, but he was special; I only remember playing with him in the middle once, but I thought then what a brilliant bloke he was.
The bloke was a legend on the Sunday morning circuit. When I first started he always down at Cantley Park every morning. To be honest the majority of players respected him. Unfortunately nobody has really said anything about it.
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Current football leaguers on the line from Donny are Chris Akers (Armthorpe) and Mark Griffiths (Barnby Dun)
Today I was on the line at Eastwood Town v Stafford Rangers. Conference North footballs actually a pretty decent standard, not surprising as we all, well I think we should all have respect for the conference.
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Ernie Crawford was my boss when I worked at the Plant. He could tell a good tale or two and loved nothing more than talking football . I can still see him now colouring in his tash with a black crayon and saying how he thought he resembled David Niven. A proper football man with a lot of tales to tell,,,,,,,,,,, Happy Times
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I remember being with my Dad, quite a few times, when Ernie walked past Plover School (where dad was a teacher at the time). They both always stopped for a natter. He was nice to me, though being about 8 years old I wasn't too interested! I think he lived somewhere round there.
Cheers
BobG
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Carl Bassingdale used to live in Wheatley Hills as a young un I remember.
Other \"Plant Work\" lads with a whistle include Alan Clayton. Well he works at Wabtec Rail and refs in the NWCL as he's based in Hyde and runs the line in Conference games.
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Anyone remember Tony Topham , he was my next door neighbour in Rosso.
Had many stories about his refereeing career ,including games at Anfield and
UEFA games in eastern Europe .
Used to run us around in his dodgy mini to local games .
Sadly , he is no longer with us .
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Nothing dodgy about that mini, now the Sooty van was a different story.
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Ernie lived on Malvern RD (just behind plover) a few doors away from me.
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There was a teacher at our school in the earley 60`s who was on the league list called SID POULTON, the school was WHEATLEY HILLS HIGH SCHOOL FOR BOYS,Sid lived in Cantley and was a great bloke.
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Sid was a linesman and a great bloke. Dry as old boots. As a kid I lived a few doors away and was mates with his two sons.
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Highland Rover wrote:
Anyone remember Tony Topham , he was my next door neighbour in Rosso.
Had many stories about his refereeing career ,including games at Anfield and
UEFA games in eastern Europe .
Used to run us around in his dodgy mini to local games .
Sadly , he is no longer with us .
I remember Tony very well, he was brought up in Hexthorpe same as me, sorry to hear he has passed away, he was a top bloke. We used to see him regulary in the pop side with his kit bag, he used to hope one of the officials would get injured so he could replace them, which actually did happen on the odd occasion.
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mutleyrover wrote:
My dad used to be an official in the top division back in the 1980s. He mainly ran the line but did end up refereeing a few games in the top flight. Used to referee at the lower levels, particularly conference.
The Rovers used to call on his services for early pitch inspections at Belle Vue, to save the referee having to travel if there was no chance of the game being on.
Is your Dad Mick Kilby by any chance? If so I remember him at Bridon back in the eighties where he used to tell me stories of his refereeing exploits.
Was very unlucky not to get higher in the game by all accounts.
Mick was a good mate of mine, BB. Until he took up reffing, he was a Rovers fanatic, at most games home and away. Him and Trev Smart from Bentley were always scrapping with away fans.
You're right about him being unlucky not to make it to the Football League. I think he made it to the Alliance Premier League, which was a forerunner to the Conference League.
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Taxi allf used to make me laugh ,commentary all way through the game
You would get a leg breaking challenge ,and he would say good tackle ,but if you swore that would cause a bollocking
Great guy and great character
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There was a teacher at our school in the earley 60`s who was on the league list called SID POULTON, the school was WHEATLEY HILLS HIGH SCHOOL FOR BOYS,Sid lived in Cantley and was a great bloke.
Was he a maths teacher ?
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Andy Butler is a ref isn’t be.?
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Is Lee Turnbull still reffing?
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Sid was a linesman and a great bloke. Dry as old boots. As a kid I lived a few doors away and was mates with his two sons.
Sid Poulton was Linesman at the 1969 League Cup Final at Wembley between Arsenal and Swindon Town, which remarkably Swindon won. He was President of Doncaster Referees Society for many years.
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Sid Poulton was my father. He was a teacher, originally a PE teacher and then a Maths teacher at Wheatley High School for Boys and then Head of Maths at Woodfield (I think that was the name but anyway up Balby way) He was a referee in Doncaster and Sheffield and a Linesman on the football league for many years.
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Still got my 10p coin which les hayes gave myself and lee rogers when he was the ref in the under 10s final
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mutleyrover wrote:
My dad used to be an official in the top division back in the 1980s. He mainly ran the line but did end up refereeing a few games in the top flight. Used to referee at the lower levels, particularly conference.
The Rovers used to call on his services for early pitch inspections at Belle Vue, to save the referee having to travel if there was no chance of the game being on.
Is your Dad Mick Kilby by any chance? If so I remember him at Bridon back in the eighties where he used to tell me stories of his refereeing exploits.
Was very unlucky not to get higher in the game by all accounts.
Mick was a good mate of mine, BB. Until he took up reffing, he was a Rovers fanatic, at most games home and away. Him and Trev Smart from Bentley were always scrapping with away fans.
You're right about him being unlucky not to make it to the Football League. I think he made it to the Alliance Premier League, which was a forerunner to the Conference League.
I remember at Halifax once a large group of their fans ran round the pitch to have a go at the Rovers fans behind the goal.
An old special cons table climbed over the wall and copped for their skinhead leader. By this time Mick was at the wall telling Rovers fans to chase them back.
They were turning round and running back once their leader got stopped. I think that was the day we lost 4-1.
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.....he was a very nice bloke though I should add.
.... getting on for 5 years since I posted this
I remember when Ernie Crawford was a "famous" Ref (and from Donny of course). He was at a Match on Toll Bar and my dad pointed him out. I wanted to get his Autograph and was watching his every move
Finally I saw my chance and pounced - can I have your Autograph please - "well he said I have been asked in some strange places but never while I was in the Toilet" . He had a point !
And when I say Toilet I mean something not quite as good as York City !
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Just an aside. The premier league referee Jonathon Moss lives in Leeds, apparently he’s well into his music and has a record shop in Headingly, it’s call The Vinyl Whistle. That’s a great name.
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Alf lived just around the corner from me on Parkway North in Wheatley; I remember him
being a really kind, warm man who used to drive about in Princess.
I was only ever reffed by Alf once and him shouting “play on” whilst doing a theatrical gesture with his arms.
I’m really sad to hear he has passed away; does anyone know when this happened?
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Are you Dave by any chance
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Are you Dave by any chance
I’m Dave!
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Anyone remember Tony Topham , he was my next door neighbour in Rosso.
Had many stories about his refereeing career ,including games at Anfield and
UEFA games in eastern Europe .
Used to run us around in his dodgy mini to local games .
Sadly , he is no longer with us .
Sorry to learn that Tony has passed away. He his services were indeed called upon at Belle Vue when the official linesman went down injured, he of course had his bag with him. The thing that I will always remember was that he always had his Dad with him when officiating.
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Hello Dave, Brian Fenwick here I remember going to Middlesborough and Hull 65ish with you and your Dad when he was running the line I hope you are well and covid free Regards Brian
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Best goalie Hawthorn Juniors ever had
Sent you an email
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Thanks for the compliment that email is old hat you can get me on brianfenwick@slingshot.co.nz or fenwickrovers@gmail.com
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Warwick, ch-ch; the chap who was headmaster at Hawthorn while you were there: was he a shortish chap with one hand missing? I can't for the life of me remember his name but he was once extremely caring and helpfuil to my sister and I. I'd like to remember him properly if I can.
Thanks
BobG
PS Warwick: if your username suggests where you live then you might find a ghost of me about the town. Used to get pissed there fairly regularly in the mid 70's. Lol. And Kenilworth and Leamington...
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Mr Ward was the headmaster Bob
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Bob the guy with one hand had something to do with junior football he was not at Hawthorne that i remember maybe Plover
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Hi again ch-ch. No. It wasn't Plover. My Dad worked at plover the vast majority of his working life. The guy I'm thinking of was definitely never there. I wonder if I'm confused between Hawthorn and Nightingale schools?
Anyone know the name of the Head of Nightingale - if he had one hand missing?!
Cheers chaps
BobG
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I remember the headmaster you are on about, scared most kids on first sight.
He was a decent cricketer
Definitely head of a school in the Wheatley area, can’t remember his name or the school but can recall him
Apologies not much help really.
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Mr Ward was the headmaster Bob
Mr Ward was also my headmaster at Hawthorn. His son, John went to Doncaster Grammar School & then went to work for Yorkshire Bank & gave me my first bank loan. :)
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Best goalie Hawthorn Juniors ever had
Sent you an email
I would question that :. Did you play in the Black & White stripes? I still remember the day when we got that new kit, thought we were world beaters, unfortunately Park Junior School & Bunny Brown thought different.
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Sid was a linesman and a great bloke. Dry as old boots. As a kid I lived a few doors away and was mates with his two sons.
Great bloke was Sid as were his two sons, I also lived nearby, I think Peter, his eldest, was a year older than me.
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Sid was a linesman and a great bloke. Dry as old boots. As a kid I lived a few doors away and was mates with his two sons.
Great bloke was Sid as were his two sons, I also lived nearby, I think Peter, his eldest, was a year older than me.
yes Pete is my elder brother
any clues please as to who "BiargeBob" is?
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Best goalie Hawthorn Juniors ever had
Sent you an email
I would question that :. Did you play in the Black & White stripes? I still remember the day when we got that new kit, thought we were world beaters, unfortunately Park Junior School & Bunny Brown thought different.
Hawthorn played in black and White stripes aka West Brom from back in the day (I think)
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Best goalie Hawthorn Juniors ever had
Sent you an email
I would question that :. Did you play in the Black & White stripes? I still remember the day when we got that new kit, thought we were world beaters, unfortunately Park Junior School & Bunny Brown thought different.
Hawthorn played in black and White stripes aka West Brom from back in the day (I think)
Just a bit of pedantry, Warwick. West Brom's stripes are navy blue.
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Sid was a linesman and a great bloke. Dry as old boots. As a kid I lived a few doors away and was mates with his two sons.
Great bloke was Sid as were his two sons, I also lived nearby, I think Peter, his eldest, was a year older than me.
yes Pete is my elder brother
any clues please as to who "BiargeBob" is?
Hi David how are you? ;) ;)
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Sid was a linesman and a great bloke. Dry as old boots. As a kid I lived a few doors away and was mates with his two sons.
Is that you Barry?
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Best goalie Hawthorn Juniors ever had
Sent you an email
I would question that :. Did you play in the Black & White stripes? I still remember the day when we got that new kit, thought we were world beaters, unfortunately Park Junior School & Bunny Brown thought different.
Hawthorn played in black and White stripes aka West Brom from back in the day (I think)
Just a bit of pedantry, Warwick. West Brom's stripes are navy blue.
Lol! Everyday is a school day!
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Sid was a linesman and a great bloke. Dry as old boots. As a kid I lived a few doors away and was mates with his two sons.
Is that you Barry?
It sure is. You going to give me a clue who Biarge Bob is? ;)
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Sid was a linesman and a great bloke. Dry as old boots. As a kid I lived a few doors away and was mates with his two sons.
Is that you Barry?
It sure is. You going to give me a clue who Biarge Bob is? ;)
Tony S. I hope you are well.
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Tony S……. got me …… where did you live …… Newmarket, Aintree ? :headbang:
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Tony S……. got me …… where did you live …… Newmarket, Aintree ? :headbang:
Aintree Avenue mates with Barry F & John A. I am a year younger, I think, than Peter.
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Yeah got you Tony, older than me younger than my brother. I can remember Tony, Barry and yourself knocking about together as teenagers.I think you all went to the same grammar. My brother keeps in touch with Richard L, lived next door to ourselves on Newmarket
I trust you and yours are safe and well. Best wishes
Regards
D
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Warwick, ch-ch! I've just remembered the name of that headmaster who only had one hand. Harry Gledhall. He might have spelled it slightly differently but do you recognize him?
BobG
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When I was at Hall Cross Comp in the 80s (the first year the grammar school became a comp), there was a t**t of a Geography teacher called Mr Round. He was about 4ft 6 and was a league linesman. It used to really bother me that a nob like him knew anything about football.
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Best goalie Hawthorn Juniors ever had
Sent you an email
I would question that :. Did you play in the Black & White stripes? I still remember the day when we got that new kit, thought we were world beaters, unfortunately Park Junior School & Bunny Brown thought different.
Hawthorn played in black and White stripes aka West Brom from back in the day (I think)
Just a bit of pedantry, Warwick. West Brom's stripes are navy blue.
True - very true
With Throstle aka Song Thrush on Badge Latin name Turdus philomelos [just saying]
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When I was at Hall Cross Comp in the 80s (the first year the grammar school became a comp), there was a t**t of a Geography teacher called Mr Round. He was about 4ft 6 and was a league linesman. It used to really bother me that a nob like him knew anything about football.
If that year was your first year, you were the same year as me, then, Belton. I never knew that Roundy was a linesman. Surprising, given how the school pretty much ignored any sport that wasn't rugby or hockey
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When I was at Hall Cross Comp in the 80s (the first year the grammar school became a comp), there was a t**t of a Geography teacher called Mr Round. He was about 4ft 6 and was a league linesman. It used to really bother me that a nob like him knew anything about football.
Mr. Round was still in that teaching job at Hall Cross as recently as 2009.
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Did the boys still have to have their swimming lessons naked??? I was always glad I didn't gave to go to the Grammar School...
BobG
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Hi Bob,
Not certain re Harry Gledhall. I've checked on line as well. Do you know which primary school?
Did you attend Wheatley Hills Boys?
D
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Hi Bob,
Not certain re Harry Gledhall. I've checked on line as well. Do you know which primary school?
Did you attend Wheatley Hills Boys?
D
Did you get my email David?
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:thumbsup:
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When I was at Hall Cross Comp in the 80s (the first year the grammar school became a comp), there was a t**t of a Geography teacher called Mr Round. He was about 4ft 6 and was a league linesman. It used to really bother me that a nob like him knew anything about football.
If that year was your first year, you were the same year as me, then, Belton. I never knew that Roundy was a linesman. Surprising, given how the school pretty much ignored any sport that wasn't rugby or hockey
Same year as Paul Raven?
Another ‘lame to fame’ of mine - we were in the same history class with Mr Jenkins.
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Yep. I was pretty good mates with Paul at the time, as we’d been at South Cantley together.
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It seems I initiated this thread in 2010. Thank you all for your long-term interest. I suggest a Ouija board may be more useful than t’internet if this thread is to continue…