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Viking Chat => Lucky Pint => Topic started by: DonnyBazR0ver on October 28, 2010, 11:43:42 pm
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I'll get this in early as I won't have much time in front of my first visit to the Madejski.
Not a good hunting ground for us. Remember us particularly hard done by a homer ref a while back when Josh Van Neustadt scored a great header for us.
Plenty of pre-match hype about the brothers Mills but I think the key for us is coping without Billy.
I've a feeling SOD might have a couple of surprises up his sleeve and coupled with Reading probably being without Jimmy Kebe, we may just pull something off.
I'm going Rovers 2-1 and, young Joseph Mills to have a fantastic 21st Birthday at Matt's expense !!
Come on you Reds !
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DonnyBazR0ver wrote:
I'll get this in early as I won't have much time in front of my first visit to the Madejski.
Not a good hunting ground for us. Remember us particularly hard done by a homer ref a while back when Josh Van Neustadt scored a great header for us.
Plenty of pre-match hype about the brothers Mills but I think the key for us is coping without Billy.
I've a feeling SOD might have a couple of surprises up his sleeve and coupled with Reading probably being without Jimmy Kebe, we may just pull something off.
I'm going Rovers 2-1 and, young Joseph Mills to have a fantastic 21st Birthday at Matt's expense !!
Come on you Reds !
0-0
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I'm going 2-1 to the Hoops, this mean spell against the Royals has to end sometime.
Martis and Copps to score for us btw.
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First time in ages I am below par on optimism. This is a tough tough game. If I was having to bet my house, wife and kids, I would probably go Reading 2-0.
As my heart rules my head with Donny, I'm going 1-1
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I know its late, but are tickets available to buy for away fans @ the stadium on the day? Not too fussed if not as i`ll buy one in the home end. Anyone know?
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Not sure but blue/white 'away' shirt would be unnoticed that's for sure. ;)
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hoolahoop wrote:
Not sure but blue/white 'away' shirt would be unnoticed that's for sure. ;)
Today Mathew I shall be wearing no colours! Just in case!
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gillinghamrover wrote:
hoolahoop wrote:
Not sure but blue/white 'away' shirt would be unnoticed that's for sure. ;)
Today Mathew I shall be wearing no colours! Just in case!
Ay you had best be careful , they're as hard as nails in the Reading Massif.....enjoy the game fella wherever you end up and don't forget to walk out of their Kop with 3 points in your pocket and a smile that could bridge the Humber estuary.
Get those colours on. :laugh:
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hoolahoop wrote:
gillinghamrover wrote:
hoolahoop wrote:
Not sure but blue/white 'away' shirt would be unnoticed that's for sure. ;)
Today Mathew I shall be wearing no colours! Just in case!
Ay you had best be careful , they're as hard as nails in the Reading Massif.....enjoy the game fella wherever you end up and don't forget to walk out of their Kop with 3 points in your pocket and a smile that could bridge the Humber estuary.
Get those colours on. :laugh:
Colours on! Rang Reading plenty (Boo!) of seats available in t` rovers end.
Reading 1 Rovers 2 :scarf:
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:scarf: :scarf: :scarf: :scarf: :scarf: :scarf: :scarf: Reading 0 Rovers 2
Brooker to score in a second half appearance, Hayter to get one in the first half. Matt gets booked for a bad tackle on Brooker. Joseph is our
MOM. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Reading
01 Federici
02 Griffin
05 Mills
15 Khizanishvili
23 Harte
04 Karacan
07 Tabb
11 McAnuff
19 Robson-Kanu
20 Howard
09 Long
Substitutes
41 McCarthy, 24 Cummings, 26 Pearce, 33 Armstrong, 17 Antonio, 10 Hunt, 18 Church
Doncaster
01 Sullivan
02 O'Connor
04 Martis
20 Mills
24 Dumbuya
07 Woods
08 Stock
16 Oster
26 Coppinger
12 Hayter
22 Shiels
Substitutes
33 Woods, 05 Thomas, 06 Chambers, 21 Hird, 23 Webster, 15 Wilson
Only 6 on the bench for Rovers instead of 7 - I wonder why?
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Brooker has an ingrowing toenail.
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Not much pace in that Reading back line with the exception of Mills. Hopefully Shiels, Copps and Muzzy can turn them round.
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Rovers starting line-up (with Halloween theme);
Neil SulliVan-Helsing,
Mustapha Dumbuyaaaaarrgh,
Shelton Rigor-Martis
James O'Corroner
Joseph 'Satanic' Mills
John GhOster
Brian Shock
Martin something-lurking-in-the-Woods
Jamie Coffinger
Dean Squeals
James Hayter-brains-with-some-limer-beans-and-a-nice-chianti
On the haunted bench;
Gary theres-definately-something-lurking-in-the-Woods,
Wayne Thomassscre
Byron spiders-Webster
Mark Wilson-of-the-devil
James Chambers-of-horrors
Sam Hird-a-creepy-noise-downstairs
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brooker just got used to being on the sick list, think we should call him 'sicknote'
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Hahahaha nice one Viva.
COME ON ROVERS!
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Brooker declared himself unfit according to RP commentary.
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MATT MILLS!! :angry:
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1-0 Matt Mills :(
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:( Horrendous defending 1-0 down
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Had to be Mills :(
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Same old same old with the defending.... set piece.
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Sounds like we're up against it.
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DonnyNoel wrote:
Not much pace in that Reading back line with the exception of Mills. Hopefully Shiels, Copps and Muzzy can turn them round.
Shiels!? He's not even close to being a fast player. There's no pace in our attack today.
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Anybody know the email for the commentary team?
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Standanista wrote:
Anybody know the email for the commentary team?
Easiest and quickest way to contact them is on Twitter here: http://twitter.com/#!/chrismortley (http://twitter.com/#!/chrismortley)
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is this day going to get any better our lass not well and sleeping on sofa so cant have tv on
no steve brooker after the 'its his time to shine' bulls**t
leeds winning ffs
and now us losing to a set piece and from matt mills
rant over for now
come on donny
rtid
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YYYEEESSSS!!!!!
Hayts
:scarf: :scarf: :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
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get in.
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HAYTER HEADER 1-1 !!!!!!!
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GET INN!!!!
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hayter takes over from billy
the baton has been passed on for now
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One James Hayter YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
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Pleased for Hayts. Was due a goal!
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SkellowRover wrote:
Standanista wrote:
Anybody know the email for the commentary team?
Easiest and quickest way to contact them is on Twitter here: http://twitter.com/#!/chrismortley (http://twitter.com/#!/chrismortley)
Cheers Skellow. Was after some info as to why Brooker is out.
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Well done Hayts!! Fook off Matt Mills!
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RoversAlias wrote:
DonnyNoel wrote:
Not much pace in that Reading back line with the exception of Mills. Hopefully Shiels, Copps and Muzzy can turn them round.
Shiels!? He's not even close to being a fast player. There's no pace in our attack today.
Didn't say he was. He knows how to beat a man though.
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Rovers fans sound in good voice :scarf:
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Mills to score the winner....................Joseph of course
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Standanista wrote:
SkellowRover wrote:
Standanista wrote:
Anybody know the email for the commentary team?
Easiest and quickest way to contact them is on Twitter here: http://twitter.com/#!/chrismortley (http://twitter.com/#!/chrismortley)
Cheers Skellow. Was after some info as to why Brooker is out.
Already tweeted him earlier asking him, he said on air that he will try and find out later.
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12th in table at min 1 point off play off we start wining we could go to 6th
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Another set piece...
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Have they scored?
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No. Crap marking again, free header, should have been in, went wide.
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MARTIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Get the f**k in!
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get in big shelton.
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Wooooooooooohhhooooooooooooo
2-1
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De De De De Shelton Martis :scarf: :scarf: :scarf: :scarf: :scarf: :scarf: :scarf: :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
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Currently in 6th position!
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Shellllllll-tonnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!
2-1
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Du Du Du Du Shelton Martis!
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\"Kamikaze defending at both ends\"
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maybe a Mills OG
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The Mills own goal will make it 1-4, Shiels to score another after half time.
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The live table looks sweet :)
6th :scarf:
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10 points off 1st place and 8 off second place.
Ferk the playoffs :blink:
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Boyhood dreams wrote:
10 points off 1st place and 8 off second place.
Ferk the playoffs :blink:
Or 10 points off a relegation spot, we`re not safe yet ;)
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A couple of goals from the Blunts and we're up to 5th.
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Filo wrote:
Boyhood dreams wrote:
10 points off 1st place and 8 off second place.
Ferk the playoffs :blink:
Or 10 points off a relegation spot, we`re not safe yet ;)
As Dave Penney would say: \"50 points...\"
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Standanista wrote:
A couple of goals from the Blunts and we're up to 5th.
They`ve only scored 9 all season, you`re asking a bit much there! :laugh:
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Filo wrote:
Boyhood dreams wrote:
10 points off 1st place and 8 off second place.
Ferk the playoffs :blink:
Or 10 points off a relegation spot, we`re not safe yet ;)
You miserable git Filo! :laugh:
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Filo wrote:
Standanista wrote:
A couple of goals from the Blunts and we're up to 5th.
They`ve only scored 9 all season, you`re asking a bit much there! :laugh:
Hahaha :scarf:
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Far far far too early to be counting league tables, lets concentrate on the week to week performances.
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deeaannoo
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DEANO!!!!
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DEAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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3-1 get in there.
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who needs billy sharp :) :)
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Absolutely ruthless quality :laugh: :laugh:
Cumon Donny !!!
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Who needs Billy Eh? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Kin el!!!!! :ohmy: :woohoo:
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\"Flamboyant passing\" !
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Reading don't know who to mark now Billys not there :P
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Just to point out - all our 5 wins this season so far have been by 2 goals.........
Hang on lads......
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Mouthwatering ! (where have we heard that before) :laugh:
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Barmby Rover wrote:
The Mills own goal will make it 1-4, Shiels to score another after half time.
:S
Are you god?
I'm off to put a fiver on 4-1 with a Mills OG.
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@ Matt Mills,\"You should have stayed at the Rovers!\"
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@ Matt Mills,\"You should have stayed at the Rovers!\"
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The Rolls Royce engine is starting to kick in !
:laugh:
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Will be a big win this if we can see it out.
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Dutch Uncle wrote:
Just to point out - all our 5 wins this season so far have been by 2 goals.........
Hang on lads......
Well let's hope Rovers can change that and make it at least by 3....... :)
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Hahahaha Young Mills will be impressed at getting one over on his older bro today, just needs to pop up with the 4th, icing on the cake!
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nearly four ;)
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foooooook
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shit
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Pintolager wrote:
Dutch Uncle wrote:
Just to point out - all our 5 wins this season so far have been by 2 goals.........
Hang on lads......
Well let's hope Rovers can change that and make it at least by 3....... :)
Then again our last win in Reading was by 4-1 (albeit at Elm Park) :laugh:
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Bugger!!!
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3-2 :unsure:
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DonnyOsmond wrote:
Barmby Rover wrote:
The Mills own goal will make it 1-4, Shiels to score another after half time.
:S
Are you god?
I'm off to put a fiver on 4-1 with a Mills OG.
I think Reading have proved that unfortunately that is not the case. :( :( 2-3
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lets not take our foot off we want 4 then 5 then 6 lol :laugh:
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5-7 anybody?
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Had player for about 2 months now but this is the first time iv listened to commentary.
The commentry is a breath of fresh air, enjoyable to listen to.
Were gonna blow this if we dont get a grip of the game again.
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Dutch Uncle wrote:
Pintolager wrote:
Dutch Uncle wrote:
Just to point out - all our 5 wins this season so far have been by 2 goals.........
Hang on lads......
Well let's hope Rovers can change that and make it at least by 3....... :)
Then again our last win in Reading was by 4-1 (albeit at Elm Park) :laugh:
I'd settle for another 7-5
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Not liking this defending
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How long left? :S
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Sam Hird on, solid defence in midfield to cope with the long balls.
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Shutting up shop with 20 mins left oh god!
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Oster off... Hird on :dry:
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DearneValleyRover wrote:
Shutting up shop with 20 mins left oh god!
We usually come unstuck trying to shut up shop! :ohmy:
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Can see them coming back if we sit back, we cant bloody defend :angry:
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ScillyRover wrote:
Oster off... Hird on :dry:
SOD seems to bring Oster of regular after around 70 mins
Maybe he never said alot at HT :laugh:
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I think that's the problem with not having strength in depth, there are no attacking options on the bench :(
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Twitchy times!
Sounds like they've outnumbered us at the back and maybe Hird was the only option.
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Double SHIT !!
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Dodgy free kick given against us and a F*cking goal.
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Sigh. typical :(
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Bollox 3-3
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f**kING HELLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Knew that'd happen! :(
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SOD in trouble
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what a suprise
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Filo wrote:
DearneValleyRover wrote:
Shutting up shop with 20 mins left oh god!
We usually come unstuck trying to shut up shop! :ohmy:
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SOD nearly sent to stands.
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There is still Matt's own goal to come.....
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Only one team will win this now :headbang:
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Filo wrote:
Filo wrote:
DearneValleyRover wrote:
Shutting up shop with 20 mins left oh god!
We usually come unstuck trying to shut up shop! :ohmy:
I dont get why we do it so early. Last 5 min maybe, last 20?
Were as good as anyone at keeping the ball, just leave it and emphasise on keep ball.
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We all know whats going to happen now don`t we? :(
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Filo wrote:
We all know whats going to happen now don`t we? :(
Mills own goal ? :laugh:
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If you believe it will come.....
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think a draw expected at start of game so not disappointed yet :silly:
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Barmby Rover wrote:
If you believe it will come.....
Isn't that a line from a film Kevin :coat:
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3-1 and we f**ked it up some draw that!!
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BBC stats say Reading have had 3 on target and 3 goals. Not sure if thats good attacking or poor defending or good luck or bad luck or could be black or it could be white
Anger is an energy
Anger is an energy
Anger is an energy
Anger is an energy
Anger is an energy
Anger is an energy
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3.1 eh are we on a come back? come on you reds
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We just can't defend. If we had 10 centre halves on we would still concede from a set piece or cross.
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im pretty sure the 3rd goal was a direct free kick straight in, that reading should never had had in the first place, what can the players do about that.
sigh 4-3 reading.
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TRIPLE SHIT !!
Unbelievable
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How to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory:
1. Sub John Oster
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shit
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Filo wrote:
We all know whats going to happen now don`t we? :(
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Bolllooooocks!
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What the fcuk are we playing at
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ARRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
More centre halves doesn't mean better defending!! Jesus christ!!!
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2. Don't bother defending
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Standanista wrote:
How to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory:
1. Sub John Oster
that would be an attack on Arsene Wenger of the North though
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why do we bother eh :P
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It was inevitable.
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The problem comes when the CH's are generally shit!
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Filo wrote:
DearneValleyRover wrote:
Shutting up shop with 20 mins left oh god!
We usually come unstuck trying to shut up shop! :ohmy:
:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
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When are we going to stop trying to play it safe once we have a lead in the second half?
Simple fact is we are no good at it...time and time again we go from a position of strength in second halves of games and proceed to throw it away with negative tactics.
Totally thrown it away today. Play offs? - your having a laugh.
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Was Oster injured? If not, O'Driscoll must explain that change.
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6th at half time to 15th.....welcome to the championship :S
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I-was-there1976 wrote:
Standanista wrote:
How to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory:
1. Sub John Oster
that would be an attack on Arsene Wenger of the North though
I didn't see the incident
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86min :Byron Webster is brought on as a substitute for Dean Shiels.
we shall not be breached
DOH !!!
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cannot believe our tactics.a game we were winning and weve blown it.somthing drastically wrong with our defending. sully must be pig sick,
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Standanista wrote:
How to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory:
1. Sub John Oster
Time and time again we look comfortable in a game and the decision is made to shut up shop and we lose our momentum, SOD may be a god but he gets this wrong too many times, shut up shop with 5 mins to go, not 20 minutes! :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
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22 goals conceded, 15 from crosses. How many more do we need to concede before we bring someone in?
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Going on what the commentators have said and listening to the game myself......
SOD gets all the praise when things are going well but he must take the blame for this.
Oster was running the game, keeping the ball, making us tick. He goes off and we have barely touched the ball. Too eager to shut up shop when we are comfortable as we are.
Im gutted, its them poor fcukers who have gone all that way I feel sorry for. SOD has dropped a bollock.
:angry:
I must add if Oster was injured i take it back, but it didnt sound that way.
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Perhaps Oster was brought off as punishment for not talking to Rovers fans in Meadowhall !!!
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Superspy wrote:
im pretty sure the 3rd goal was a direct free kick straight in, that reading should never had had in the first place, what can the players do about that.
sigh 4-3 reading.
Ball went out of play apparently Sod nearly sent to the stands doing his conkers with the officials
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What does it matter whether it was a free kick or not? If we'd have defended properly for goals 1 and 2 then it wouldn't have been an issue.
So frustrating.
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obvious from start of season where we are lacking.cannot defend,good big c/h in middle needed.
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mushRTID wrote:
Going on what the commentators have said and listening to the game myself......
SOD gets all the praise when things are going well but he must take the blame for this.
Oster was running the game, keeping the ball, making us tick. He goes off and we have barely touched the ball. Too eager to shut up shop when we are comfortable as we are.
Im gutted, its them poor fcukers who have gone all that way I feel sorry for. SOD has dropped a bollock.
:angry:
He does it all the time, and then he bangs on in his interviews about doing the right things, well if you`re winning with 20 minutes to go, you must be doing the right things, why f**king change it! and invite pressure! we see it game in game out when we are winning!
We have thrown 3 points away today! angry is not the f**king word!
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why folk moaning about sod taking oster of ,, if you go to most games , he normally brings him of after 80 mins but you dont moan when we win
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Gutting. Spoilt my evening already but that's football I guess and shows how we've changed at this level, I'm sure in that amazing spell in the first season we were much better at holding on to leads (although stats can obviously disprove that!). Can understand SOD trusting his defenders but I think it's becoming sadly the case that we lack the personnel (not just in defence) to be able to put men behind the ball and hold onto things. Maybe the constant enforced changes in defence over the course of the season haven't helped but with a couple of exceptions we just don't seem up to it at the back.
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like that 'one i was there' to the nil post of the year, what a waste of my reading time
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GUTTED and very ANGRY!!!!!
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mushRTID wrote:
Going on what the commentators have said and listening to the game myself......
SOD gets all the praise when things are going well but he must take the blame for this.
Oster was running the game, keeping the ball, making us tick. He goes off and we have barely touched the ball. Too eager to shut up shop when we are comfortable as we are.
Im gutted, its them poor fcukers who have gone all that way I feel sorry for. SOD has dropped a bollock.
:angry:
I must add if Oster was injured i take it back, but it didnt sound that way.
But we weren't controlling the game by then were we? Reading were dominating and a threat every time they went forward. SOD had to do something, and Oster is subbed early every game so there must be a reason for that.
Frustrated though, we just don't have the personnel for defending at this level.
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hoolahoop wrote:
GUTTED and very ANGRY!!!!!
Think that about sums it up.
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Struggling to find a silver lining
Maybe Wolves beating Man C takes the pressure off McCarthy
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If you take your playmaker off the field and no longer have someone who can put his foot on the ball and help to keep possession, then your ball retention is going to go down the pan and you end up losing the ball and under pressure. From that, it doesn't matter how many Centre-halves you put on because you'll be under constant waves of attack and eventually they're going to score with a defence as poor as ours. I can understand putting a defender on at 3-2 up considering that they threw 2 extra forwards on, but the wrong man came off it seems, as we completely lost the grip on the game from that point.
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donnypaul wrote:
why folk moaning about sod taking oster of ,, if you go to most games , he normally brings him of after 80 mins but you dont moan when we win
Excuse me! but i moan most times when he takes Oster off, and I think you`ll find it`s nearer the 70 minute mark when he takes him off. 20 minutes is too long to put pressure on your own defence, taking Oster off when he`s running the game is a massive, massive bollock!
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i_ateallthepies wrote:
mushRTID wrote:
Going on what the commentators have said and listening to the game myself......
SOD gets all the praise when things are going well but he must take the blame for this.
Oster was running the game, keeping the ball, making us tick. He goes off and we have barely touched the ball. Too eager to shut up shop when we are comfortable as we are.
Im gutted, its them poor fcukers who have gone all that way I feel sorry for. SOD has dropped a bollock.
:angry:
I must add if Oster was injured i take it back, but it didnt sound that way.
But we weren't controlling the game by then were we? Reading were dominating and a threat every time they went forward. SOD had to do something, and Oster is subbed early every game so there must be a reason for that.
Frustrated though, we just don't have the personnel for defending at this level.
If thats the case il take it back. I thought we were but so much has happened in that game my timings may be out.
I still think he is too quick to throw on defenders though and i am still pissed off as much as i can ever remember at a result.
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Rovers went defensive against Sheff U but they were that shocking they couldnt do anything about it.
Sod got the plaudits that day
Some you win some you lose
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VikingJames wrote:
If you take your playmaker off the field and no longer have someone who can put his foot on the ball and help to keep possession, then your ball retention is going to go down the pan and you end up losing the ball and under pressure. From that, it doesn't matter how many Centre-halves you put on because you'll be under constant waves of attack and eventually they're going to score with a defence as poor as ours. I can understand putting a defender on at 3-2 up considering that they threw 2 extra forwards on, but the wrong man came off it seems, as we completely lost the grip on the game from that point.
Bang on!
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Filo wrote:
VikingJames wrote:
If you take your playmaker off the field and no longer have someone who can put his foot on the ball and help to keep possession, then your ball retention is going to go down the pan and you end up losing the ball and under pressure. From that, it doesn't matter how many Centre-halves you put on because you'll be under constant waves of attack and eventually they're going to score with a defence as poor as ours. I can understand putting a defender on at 3-2 up considering that they threw 2 extra forwards on, but the wrong man came off it seems, as we completely lost the grip on the game from that point.
Bang on!
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True and we had 55% of possession, so it would have been even higher before Oster went off.
Sods dropped a bollock.
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VikingJames wrote:
What does it matter whether it was a free kick or not? If we'd have defended properly for goals 1 and 2 then it wouldn't have been an issue.
So frustrating.
It matters as yet again basic decisions are got wrong,
These are the decisions that cost managers there jobs, teams promotion and relegation and millions of pounds
Wether we were defending well or not, we would not have lost except for the referee and linesman getting a basic decision wrong.
and by what the commentators said the linesman went extremely red faced when the ref played on but didn't have the balls to do anything
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As much as I agree about everything said about John Oster, the more blatantly obvious is that we need to shore up that defence urgently.
JR has hinted that money can be found in the search for a temporary sub for Billy... why the hell isn't the money forthcoming for at least one good centre back. This weakness has been apparent for ages and is costing us dearly.
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Wasn't the free-kick that led to our 2nd goal debatable?
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I-was-there1976 wrote:
Rovers went defensive against Sheff U but they were that shocking they couldnt do anything about it.
Sod got the plaudits that day
Some you win some you lose
I hate it when we sit back because we just cant defend. It just invites teams to come on heavy and it has cost us more times.
Shutting up shop should work if your players get a foot in but players run at us and usually straight through us!
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there was also a query as to whether Rovers 2nd goal was a foul leading to the freekick
That came from Jaquie Oatley or whatever she s called on BBC
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Dagenham.Rover wrote:
VikingJames wrote:
What does it matter whether it was a free kick or not? If we'd have defended properly for goals 1 and 2 then it wouldn't have been an issue.
So frustrating.
It matters as yet again basic decisions are got wrong,
These are the decisions that cost managers there jobs, teams promotion and relegation and millions of pounds
Wether we were defending well or not, we would not have lost except for the referee and linesman getting a basic decision wrong.
and by what the commentators said the linesman went extremely red faced when the ref played on but didn't have the balls to do anything
So let me get this straight then. We lost the game because the referee gave a soft free kick, and not because we were inept at the back and conceded three simple goals.
There's too much of a blame culture towards referees in football, when it's actually our own fault that we lost because we can't defend.
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Akinfenwa wrote:
Wasn't the free-kick that led to our 2nd goal debatable?
Shabba !!
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ScillyRover wrote:
As much as I agree about everything said about John Oster, the more blatantly obvious is that we need to shore up that defence urgently.
JR has hinted that money can be found in the search for a temporary sub for Billy... why the hell isn't the money forthcoming for at least one good centre back. This weakness has been apparent for ages and is costing us dearly.
I've been wondering this. I can't understand how its gone this long without us bringing a decent centreback in. Such an obvious weakness that has been apparent since the first game. Sod another striker, get a proper CB in.
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Filo wrote:
VikingJames wrote:
If you take your playmaker off the field and no longer have someone who can put his foot on the ball and help to keep possession, then your ball retention is going to go down the pan and you end up losing the ball and under pressure. From that, it doesn't matter how many Centre-halves you put on because you'll be under constant waves of attack and eventually they're going to score with a defence as poor as ours. I can understand putting a defender on at 3-2 up considering that they threw 2 extra forwards on, but the wrong man came off it seems, as we completely lost the grip on the game from that point.
Bang on!
:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
Yep :headbang:
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VikingJames wrote:
Dagenham.Rover wrote:
VikingJames wrote:
What does it matter whether it was a free kick or not? If we'd have defended properly for goals 1 and 2 then it wouldn't have been an issue.
So frustrating.
It matters as yet again basic decisions are got wrong,
These are the decisions that cost managers there jobs, teams promotion and relegation and millions of pounds
Wether we were defending well or not, we would not have lost except for the referee and linesman getting a basic decision wrong.
and by what the commentators said the linesman went extremely red faced when the ref played on but didn't have the balls to do anything
So let me get this straight then. We lost the game because the referee gave a soft free kick, and not because we were inept at the back and conceded three simple goals.
There's too much of a blame culture towards referees in football, when it's actually our own fault that we lost because we can't defend.
We lost the game by heaping pressure on our already fragile defence, why stop doing the things that got you into a winning situation in the first place? We got away with it against Sheff Utd because their attack is shit!
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Filo wrote:
VikingJames wrote:
Dagenham.Rover wrote:
VikingJames wrote:
What does it matter whether it was a free kick or not? If we'd have defended properly for goals 1 and 2 then it wouldn't have been an issue.
So frustrating.
It matters as yet again basic decisions are got wrong,
These are the decisions that cost managers there jobs, teams promotion and relegation and millions of pounds
Wether we were defending well or not, we would not have lost except for the referee and linesman getting a basic decision wrong.
and by what the commentators said the linesman went extremely red faced when the ref played on but didn't have the balls to do anything
So let me get this straight then. We lost the game because the referee gave a soft free kick, and not because we were inept at the back and conceded three simple goals.
There's too much of a blame culture towards referees in football, when it's actually our own fault that we lost because we can't defend.
We lost the game by heaping pressure on our already fragile defence, why stop doing the things that got you into a winning situation in the first place? We got away with it against Sheff Utd because their attack is shit!
I know, but blaming the referee for that defeat is just pathetic.
The truth hurts. We failed to defend properly and the manager seems to have got it wrong and that is why we lost. Not because the referee made a poor decision for one of the goals (particularly when he gave us a soft free kick for 2-1)
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VikingJames wrote:
Dagenham.Rover wrote:
VikingJames wrote:
What does it matter whether it was a free kick or not? If we'd have defended properly for goals 1 and 2 then it wouldn't have been an issue.
So frustrating.
It matters as yet again basic decisions are got wrong,
These are the decisions that cost managers there jobs, teams promotion and relegation and millions of pounds
Wether we were defending well or not, we would not have lost except for the referee and linesman getting a basic decision wrong.
and by what the commentators said the linesman went extremely red faced when the ref played on but didn't have the balls to do anything
So let me get this straight then. We lost the game because the referee gave a soft free kick, and not because we were inept at the back and conceded three simple goals.
There's too much of a blame culture towards referees in football, when it's actually our own fault that we lost because we can't defend.
Thats not what I was saying at all, yes we were poor defending, the point is that goal would not have been scored if the ref had called it correctly and the lino had the balls to flag after he realised the ref had not seen the ball go out of play. basic obvious decisions wrong. according to the commentary they reckoned the lino thought the ref was going to blow and was totally red faced afterwards.
Having said that we would probably have given our throw in away and conceded from that
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Dagenham.Rover wrote:
VikingJames wrote:
Dagenham.Rover wrote:
VikingJames wrote:
What does it matter whether it was a free kick or not? If we'd have defended properly for goals 1 and 2 then it wouldn't have been an issue.
So frustrating.
It matters as yet again basic decisions are got wrong,
These are the decisions that cost managers there jobs, teams promotion and relegation and millions of pounds
Wether we were defending well or not, we would not have lost except for the referee and linesman getting a basic decision wrong.
and by what the commentators said the linesman went extremely red faced when the ref played on but didn't have the balls to do anything
So let me get this straight then. We lost the game because the referee gave a soft free kick, and not because we were inept at the back and conceded three simple goals.
There's too much of a blame culture towards referees in football, when it's actually our own fault that we lost because we can't defend.
Thats not what I was saying at all, yes we were poor defending, the point is that goal would not have been scored if the ref had called it correctly and the lino had the balls to flag after he realised the ref had not seen the ball go out of play. basic obvious decisions wrong. according to the commentary they reckoned the lino thought the ref was going to blow and was totally red faced afterwards.
Having said that we would probably have given our throw in away and conceded from that
Yes you were.
You said: \"We would not have lost except for the referee and linesman getting a basic decision wrong.\"
Lets face it, whether the decision was right or wrong, it is no excuse. To lose 4-3 after being 3-1 up with half an hour left is inexcusable.
I'd rather SOD concentrate his energies on the training ground and the transfer market than in complaining about the officials!
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VikingJames wrote:
Dagenham.Rover wrote:
VikingJames wrote:
Dagenham.Rover wrote:
VikingJames wrote:
What does it matter whether it was a free kick or not? If we'd have defended properly for goals 1 and 2 then it wouldn't have been an issue.
So frustrating.
It matters as yet again basic decisions are got wrong,
These are the decisions that cost managers there jobs, teams promotion and relegation and millions of pounds
Wether we were defending well or not, we would not have lost except for the referee and linesman getting a basic decision wrong.
Officials need to be brought to task when simple things are called wrongly
and by what the commentators said the linesman went extremely red faced when the ref played on but didn't have the balls to do anything
So let me get this straight then. We lost the game because the referee gave a soft free kick, and not because we were inept at the back and conceded three simple goals.
There's too much of a blame culture towards referees in football, when it's actually our own fault that we lost because we can't defend.
Thats not what I was saying at all, yes we were poor defending, the point is that goal would not have been scored if the ref had called it correctly and the lino had the balls to flag after he realised the ref had not seen the ball go out of play. basic obvious decisions wrong. according to the commentary they reckoned the lino thought the ref was going to blow and was totally red faced afterwards.
Having said that we would probably have given our throw in away and conceded from that
Yes you were.
You said: \"We would not have lost except for the referee and linesman getting a basic decision wrong.\"
Lets face it, whether the decision was right or wrong, it is no excuse. To lose 4-3 after being 3-1 up with half an hour left is inexcusable.
I'd rather SOD concentrate his energies on the training ground and the transfer market than in complaining about the officials!
Ok lets put it a slightly different way
Doncaster Rovers slumped to a 4-3 defeat after being 3-1 up due to sloppy defending
However the referee and linesman played a big part in this defeat by getting a basic decision wrong by allowing play to go on after the ball went out of play.
btw I totally agree we should not have let them back into the game.
Marginal decisions fair enough, obvious basic decisions they must be called correctly.
As I said according to the commentary the lino went very red faced, he knew and did jack all about it !!!
and officials need to be brought to task when they get things blatently wrong
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Wasn't one of our goals similar in controversy over the correct/incorrect awarding of a free kick?
Might be wrong, but I'm sure Jacqui Oatley said something about this on the BBC concerning either Hayter or Martis' goal.
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we lost because Reading's number 13 is a match winner ;)
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I don't think anything was said on player about it
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Dagenham.Rover wrote:
I don't think anything was said on player about it
BBC said that Brian Howard clearly got the ball for the free kick that Martis scored from.
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Ok yet again crap for everybody, but whats new
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For all the 'Oster should never have come off crowd', have we considered he may have tired. He's no spring chicken. Yes he gets around the pitch a lot during the game and very effective, but after that and towards the end, he finds it difficult to sustain and does seem to tire, especially with the work-rate required of our midfield. This is why we can afford Oster, if he did what he did for 90mins, he wouldn't be at Donny.
As for Oster keeping it all together, putting a foot on the ball and holding it, playing the smart ball, slowing it down, calming it down etc etc......I would say not. I would attribute that comment to Stock or Woods. Osters skill is seeing the quick ball or him moving with the ball quickly and making the team move quicker. Just my opinion
It's nothing new, Oster coming off. We've done it many times and got a result. We have been on the back foot second half against the majority of teams thus far (as they work us out, is another reason) this season and we have scraped by. It unfortunately and very frustratingly never happened in this one, some you win, some you lose.
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VivaRovers wrote:
Rovers starting line-up (with Halloween theme);
Neil SulliVan-Helsing,
Mustapha Dumbuyaaaaarrgh,
Shelton Rigor-Martis
James O'Corroner
Joseph 'Satanic' Mills
John GhOster
Brian Shock
Martin something-lurking-in-the-Woods
Jamie Coffinger
Dean Squeals
James Hayter-brains-with-some-limer-beans-and-a-nice-chianti
On the haunted bench;
Gary theres-definately-something-lurking-in-the-Woods,
Wayne Thomassscre
Byron spiders-Webster
Mark Wilson-of-the-devil
James Chambers-of-horrors
Sam Hird-a-creepy-noise-downstairs
Nice one mate. Of course you never included our management:
Sean wO'oo oooooh, wO'oo ooooooh Driscoll
Richard O' K hell y
or
Waide 'Young Frankenstein' Fairhust
although back in the day
JJ 'Vincent' Price and Dave 'Penney for the guy' may have featured
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From SOD on DROS
To go 3-1 up, we thought we could add another defender to sure things up,
That is the problem! forget dodgy refereeing decisions! By stopping doing the things that got you into a winning position, you`ve handed the initiative to the opposition! We see it time and time again, sometimes we get away with it, sometimes we don`t, but what always happens when we try that tactic is we get on the back foot! FFS play the game in the oppositions half not your own!
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I actually think SOD did the right thing by changing it as we were getting overrun. Where he got it wrong was bringing an extra centre back on, when really Wilson would have been a better option. I'm not sure Oster was the right one to take off either.
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Taken from SOD's interview on DROS exactly what I was trying to say without SOD's eloquence
\"The linesman wasn't looking, which is annoying, but I suppose that if he didn't see it he can't give it. We shouldn't be talking about throws. There are tight offside decisions and fouls that could go either way; but not throws.\"
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Fact is that Wilson was the correct replacement for Oster (presuming he was tiring of course).
Very rarely do I criticise SO'D but yesterday he made a bad call of that there is no doubt, referee aside.
Incidentally , putting all of this into perspective, we scored 3 in a row away from home and so did they........that's football.
Bring on .........the WALL. Time to make amends.
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Any way you dice the game, we *should* have come away with a point - Reading's winner was as clear a case of offside as I have ever seen. f**king shocking that the officials missed that.
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In the 74 th minute the home team were awarded a free kick 25yards out just to the right of centre. Just perfect for that ace free kick merchant HARTE. So it proved as he fired into the near top corner. Minutes later McAnuff fired shot over from 20yards. There was worse to come in the 88th minute when the home team broke down their left. Hunt was a yard offside as were his two team-mates in the middle but no flag from the linesman. The cross came in and CHURCH just had to stab in to clinch the win for Reading
From the official match report.
You can blame bad defending or Oster's substitution all you want.
1. The home team were awarded a free kick. We didn't commit a foul. Even Reading fans said it was ball to hand and, it wasn't even his hand !!
2. Winning goal 3 players offside.
The officials got key decisions wrong and we paid dearly.
Other than that (and first goal which was poor defending) we were excellent !!
Time to move on.