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Viking Chat => Lucky Pint => Topic started by: bobjimwilly on January 21, 2011, 01:58:51 pm
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Although obviously not as good as any VivaRovers writes, found a good preview for saturdays game:
http://www.twtd.co.uk/news.php?storyid=17747
Suprisingly, DROS also has a preview up! Wahoo!
http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/page/MatchPreview/0,,10329~2271883,00.html
:scarf:
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Fans buying a copy of the programme at Saturday’s game will receive a complimentary packet of sweet pea seeds, a variety appropriately named Singing the Blues, courtesy of Suffolk seedsmen Johnsons.
For all those travelling, don`t forget your free packet of seeds! :laugh:
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Christ, DROS are on the ball lately!
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Who are Ipswitch?
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Dunno, mate.
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team
Silli
Chambers Lockwood Killa O'Connor
Keegan
Coppinger Oster Mason
Hayter
Sharp
Sneak a much needed 2-1 win.
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spot on with that selection, but doubt it will be :silly:
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DonnyBazR0ver wrote:
team
Silli
Chambers Lockwood Killa O'Connor
Keegan
Coppinger Oster Mason
Hayter
Sharp
Looks good to me. Can't say I've seen Mason play though, but a fresh face can't do any harm.
Three points and a clean sheet please. We need it.
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A guy on the Thorne bus coming from Wolves said if we lost tomorrow it'll ruin us. Can't say I disagree. DBR - agree with that line up.
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DonnyBazR0ver wrote:
team
Silli
Chambers Lockwood Killa O'Connor
Keegan
Coppinger Oster Mason
Hayter
Sharp
Sneak a much needed 2-1 win.
I came up with much the same, except Wilson in midfield rather than Mason, who would be on the bench.
I know our veteran 'keeper's been through a rough patch lately, but I think it's a bit harsh to call him \"Silli.\"
;)
No idea on the score really, so I'll plump for a score-draw.
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Team line up:
Sullivan, lockwood, o'connor, kilgallon, wilson, chambers, oster, coppinger, sharp, hayter, shiels
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keeping faith with the players that have been thrashed in last two games......
Needed fresh faces today - reverting back to trusted ones for dingle games - Hope i am wrong but dont like this team one bit!
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Looks like a flat back four though.
Still looking a bit lightweight in midfield. Wilson needs a stormer with Keegan salivating in the wings !!
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Might be an idea to sub Oster with Mason if nothing is happening for us after 60 mins. I would still put Wilson or Sam as a defending midfielder but I suspect that Keegan will get the place. Can Chambers last a full 90? Not yet I fear, maybe we have Sam to step into the fray to cover him or Friend. Up front Hayter and Sharp have to be the automatic choice. Let's hope they have sat down, sorted the problems and have returned to playing football. We need a passing game to make it work for us.
Ipswich 1 Rovers 2
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Expect the midfield to get overrun again today then!
Wilson, Shiels, Oster and Coppinger vs a packed midfield of Leadbitter, Norris, Martin, Healy and Edwards. Doesn't fill me with confidence whatsoever.
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Keegan for Sheilds and Mason for oster to them rest for dingle game ....simples!
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Bench:
Substitutes
* 33 Woods,
* 03 Friend,
* 21 Hird,
* 25 Guedes,
* 17 Mason,
* 30 Keegan,
* 29 Fairhurst
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Filo wrote:
Bench:
Substitutes
* 33 Woods,
* 03 Friend,
* 21 Hird,
* 25 Guedes,
* 17 Mason,
* 30 Keegan,
* 29 Fairhurst
Who`s Guedes? I thought 25 was Souza?
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VikingJames wrote:
Expect the midfield to get overrun again today then!
Wilson, Shiels, Oster and Coppinger vs a packed midfield of Leadbitter, Norris, Martin, Healy and Edwards. Doesn't fill me with confidence whatsoever.
We don't have strict midfielders. We play 4-6, Hayter and Copps will always drop back into midfield when needed, and Billy would put his two pennorth in too. Don't worry too much, there will not be a more prepared team playing today.
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Filo wrote:
Filo wrote:
Bench:
Substitutes
* 33 Woods,
* 03 Friend,
* 21 Hird,
* 25 Guedes,
* 17 Mason,
* 30 Keegan,
* 29 Fairhurst
Who`s Guedes? I thought 25 was Souza?
Dennis Souza de Guedes
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Barmby Rover wrote:
VikingJames wrote:
Expect the midfield to get overrun again today then!
Wilson, Shiels, Oster and Coppinger vs a packed midfield of Leadbitter, Norris, Martin, Healy and Edwards. Doesn't fill me with confidence whatsoever.
We don't have strict midfielders. We play 4-6, Hayter and Copps will always drop back into midfield when needed, and Billy would put his two pennorth in too. Don't worry too much, there will not be a more prepared team playing today.
More worried about the personnel than the shape to be honest. Copps, Oster and Shiels all very much attack minded players, and they've got some steely characters in there (Leadbitter, Norris, Healy.) Looks like an Ipswich midfield that will try to get in our faces and stop us playing, and we all know what happens when teams do that! Especially given that ball retention probably won't be as good with Stock missing.
Oh what I'd give to see Gillett and Stock back today! Even Woods would do. We look woefully unbalanced.
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not full of confidence at all with that line up...hope i,m wrong, but see a 3or4 nil coming up...no Brooker either is he injured again?
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So no Brooker at all then?
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It would be nice to have a fit Martin Woods in there too, however we deal with reality..... Ithe em,phasis this week will be to analyse how to get round the \"in the face\" tactic and beat it. This team never stands still on how it adapts, they will have done their homework.
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ljm-drfc wrote:
So no Brooker at all then?
No but Fairhurst on the bench.
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surely he must know this? Why not play Keegan and Wilson away from home when you need some steel?
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Best recent posts I have seen and you are totally spot on .....
VikingJames wrote:
Barmby Rover wrote:
VikingJames wrote:
Expect the midfield to get overrun again today then!
Wilson, Shiels, Oster and Coppinger vs a packed midfield of Leadbitter, Norris, Martin, Healy and Edwards. Doesn't fill me with confidence whatsoever.
We don't have strict midfielders. We play 4-6, Hayter and Copps will always drop back into midfield when needed, and Billy would put his two pennorth in too. Don't worry too much, there will not be a more prepared team playing today.
More worried about the personnel than the shape to be honest. Copps, Oster and Shiels all very much attack minded players, and they've got some steely characters in there (Leadbitter, Norris, Healy.) Looks like an Ipswich midfield that will try to get in our faces and stop us playing, and we all know what happens when teams do that! Especially given that ball retention probably won't be as good with Stock missing.
Oh what I'd give to see Gillett and Stock back today! Even Woods would do. We look woefully unbalanced.
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Seems to be definite change of attitude this year away from home to go for the three points.
Nothing wrong with the line up if the back four functions correctly and Wilson puts in a decent performance.
Fingers crossed it happens for a change. :S
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Fingers crossed that Kilgallon has begun to have an effect now he has had time to have a few training sessions with the lads.
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We're underway. COYR!!!
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YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Billy, Billy Sharp!!!!!!!
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YAY! 1-0 Billyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Sharpppppppppp!
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Sharrrrppp !!
Missed on but makes no mistake with second. Good save by Sully soon after.
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Great goal by Billy. We need to take advantage of this early lead and keep pushing forward.
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What was the goal like? Anyone who's listening.
Reporter on Final Score didn't even know the scorer: \"was it Coppinger who put it in, I can't remember?\"
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Wilson booked for a sliding tackle. :ohmy: Get in there Willo!
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Bloody hell. Wilson getting nasty ! Booked for a tackle !!
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VikingJames wrote:
What was the goal like? Anyone who's listening.
Reporter on Final Score didn't even know the scorer: \"was it Coppinger who put it in, I can't remember?\"
Got the ball 20 yards out turned and scored, a minute after he had just hit the bar
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Sounds like a good goal.............COYR & WHITE WIZARDS.
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Filo wrote:
VikingJames wrote:
What was the goal like? Anyone who's listening.
Reporter on Final Score didn't even know the scorer: \"was it Coppinger who put it in, I can't remember?\"
Got the ball 20 yards out turned and scored, a minute after he had just hit the bar
:laugh: :laugh:
Take it the BBC's description is a bit off the mark then?
\"Billy Sharp scores a goal from inside the six-yard box to the bottom left corner of the goal. Ipswich 0-1 Doncaster.\"
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the guy on player whose name always evades me made a point that billy seems to be scoring a different kind of goal lately, with him doing the same thing against wolves at home.
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VikingJames wrote:
Filo wrote:
VikingJames wrote:
What was the goal like? Anyone who's listening.
Reporter on Final Score didn't even know the scorer: \"was it Coppinger who put it in, I can't remember?\"
Got the ball 20 yards out turned and scored, a minute after he had just hit the bar
:laugh: :laugh:
Take it the BBC's description is a bit off the mark then?
\"Billy Sharp scores a goal from inside the six-yard box to the bottom left corner of the goal. Ipswich 0-1 Doncaster.\"
Dunno just going on what Chris Mortley said, he said that it was the second time he`d done that this season, recieving the ball with his back to goal turning and scored, I just had a picture of the Wolves goal in my head
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I can;t get onto Player at all. Anyone having problems? Anywhere else for commentary online?
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MrFrost wrote:
I can;t get onto Player at all. Anyone having problems? Anywhere else for commentary online?
Working fine for me. Try it with Firefox as I have problems sometimes. Cant see any other commentary online.
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VikingJames wrote:
Filo wrote:
VikingJames wrote:
What was the goal like? Anyone who's listening.
Reporter on Final Score didn't even know the scorer: \"was it Coppinger who put it in, I can't remember?\"
Got the ball 20 yards out turned and scored, a minute after he had just hit the bar
:laugh: :laugh:
Take it the BBC's description is a bit off the mark then?
\"Billy Sharp scores a goal from inside the six-yard box to the bottom left corner of the goal. Ipswich 0-1 Doncaster.\"
From ESPN:
\"Goal!! Billy Sharp hits a very good right footed shot to the lower left corner from the right penalty area (aprox. 6 yards) and scores!! Doncaster Rovers now leads 1 - 0\"
EDIT: still clear as mud to me.. :huh:
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Chris Mortley just confirmed on Player that full 90mins will be available from Monday Evening/Tuesday. :thumbsup:
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Snods Shinpad 2 wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
I can;t get onto Player at all. Anyone having problems? Anywhere else for commentary online?
Working fine for me. Try it with Firefox as I have problems sometimes. Cant see any other commentary online.
Loud and clear here, 30 miles out in the atlantic. The odd break in audio that's all.
However, this forum is as wobbly as ever :dry:
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i think chris was making a point that he received the ball with his back to the goal, turned and fired in, rather than the distance...so it probably was 6 yards.
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Sounds like the goal v Scunny
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ScillyRover wrote:
Snods Shinpad 2 wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
I can;t get onto Player at all. Anyone having problems? Anywhere else for commentary online?
Working fine for me. Try it with Firefox as I have problems sometimes. Cant see any other commentary online.
Loud and clear here, 30 miles out in the atlantic. The odd break in audio that's all.
However, this forum is as wobbly as ever :dry:
I've tried IE, Firefox and Chrome. Nothing. Time to cancel subscription I reckon.
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sharp just buried it but given offside....chris says it looked level...
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MrFrost wrote:
ScillyRover wrote:
Snods Shinpad 2 wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
I can;t get onto Player at all. Anyone having problems? Anywhere else for commentary online?
Working fine for me. Try it with Firefox as I have problems sometimes. Cant see any other commentary online.
Loud and clear here, 30 miles out in the atlantic. The odd break in audio that's all.
However, this forum is as wobbly as ever :dry:
I've tried IE, Firefox and Chrome. Nothing. Time to cancel subscription I reckon.
I only got in Player at the second attempt. Try rebooting ?
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You can bet knowing our luck, it was onside.
Come on boys.
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Took me several attempts to get in today. Finished up clearing the 'remember me' check box and retyping password and it worked.
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I have counted \"a good save by Neil Sullivan\" three times so far, can those knocking him shut up now?
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And Leeds are losing!! :laugh:
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Dingles beating Swansea, currently things going our way.....but Ipswich are sounding dangerous at times.
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Barmby Rover wrote:
I have counted \"a good save by Neil Sullivan\" three times so far, can those knocking him shut up now?
No! not when he is to blame. We blame other player's when they are at fault. Let's hope the last 2 games were just a blip in form and he's over it now.
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HT: Another goal and I think we'll win this. Can't see Ipswich coming back from 2 down.
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Good comments from Ipswich commentators, saying we could have been out of sight. Praise for Sharp, Hayter, Oster, Coppinger and Lockwood being strong at the back winning everything.
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Sounds like Kilgallon playing well for us too. Nearly scored at one point.
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Hoping we don't collapse in the second half.
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More like hoping we go on to score another couple of goals! Optimism, optimism! :)
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hope we dont bring on defenders to protect our lead,keep going forward lads.
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If we do get pegged back please let's change it I.e. Bring waide on
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dknward2 wrote:
If we do get pegged back please let's change it I.e. Bring waide on
Who TF for??? All the attacking midfielders are playing well, and you wouldn't put him on for Billy or Hayts.
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MrFrost wrote:
ScillyRover wrote:
Snods Shinpad 2 wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
I can;t get onto Player at all. Anyone having problems? Anywhere else for commentary online?
Working fine for me. Try it with Firefox as I have problems sometimes. Cant see any other commentary online.
Loud and clear here, 30 miles out in the atlantic. The odd break in audio that's all.
However, this forum is as wobbly as ever :dry:
I've tried IE, Firefox and Chrome. Nothing. Time to cancel subscription I reckon.
Got Player fine today none of the usual shenanigans, now on Sky broadband.
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Old Popsider wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
ScillyRover wrote:
Snods Shinpad 2 wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
I can;t get onto Player at all. Anyone having problems? Anywhere else for commentary online?
Working fine for me. Try it with Firefox as I have problems sometimes. Cant see any other commentary online.
Loud and clear here, 30 miles out in the atlantic. The odd break in audio that's all.
However, this forum is as wobbly as ever :dry:
I've tried IE, Firefox and Chrome. Nothing. Time to cancel subscription I reckon.
Got Player fine today none of the usual shenanigans, now on Sky broadband.
Anybody still having problems: try clearing your cache then try again. Should sort it.
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No second half retreat please lads!
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Bo***s
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FFS
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Filo, you know better than that. ffs!!!
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Here we go :(
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Why can't games just end at HT?
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:(
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Lets just calm it and get back on top.
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Cnut!
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Priskin being given too much room .
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F F S !!
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Same shit every week.
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Here we go, throwing away another lead. :(
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Ha
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SHIT!
YES!!!!!!!!
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YEEEEEESSSSSS! GET THE F*CK IN!!!
2-2!!!
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Old Popsider wrote:
Here we go, throwing away another lead. :(
Here we go - squeaky bum time!! :)
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BILLYYY! :D
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Chris Mortley keeps saying 'Unbelievable' ...
No it IS believable with this poor defence we have
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Plop
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shit defence, goodbye playoffs
11 in 3 games??? anybody worried?
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Losing now.
Can someone sort this forum out? It simply cannot handle the traffic.
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AntoDRFC wrote:
shit defence, goodbye playoffs
11 in 3 games??? anybody worried?
thats so funny
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Are people still hoping for the play offs? Jesus.
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MrFrost wrote:
Losing now.
Can someone sort this forum out? It simply cannot handle the traffic.
I think we are moving to a different server very soon
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Forum about as reliable as our defence.
Another 3 goals shipped. Get Keegan On NOW !!
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some tell them there`s 90 mins in a game, not 45!
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The the fcuk gets said at half time? How many second half goals have we conceded this season. It's not good enough SOD, fcuking sort it.
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Get Mason on.
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Second half hibernation again!
What the f**ks up with them?
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Who gets the blame this week then? I think we need to start questioning the management, team talks and tactics because it's just getting pathetic now.
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its always the refs fault
always
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Come on we can do this
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MrFrost wrote:
Who gets the blame this week then? I think we need to start questioning the management, team talks and tactics because it's just getting pathetic now.
The defence just isn't up to scratch and hasn't been since day one of the season. We've all been saying this till we're blue in the face. How many wins have we missed out on this season, being well in front and then ending up conceding and losing...
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ScillyRover wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
Who gets the blame this week then? I think we need to start questioning the management, team talks and tactics because it's just getting pathetic now.
The defence just isn't up to scratch and hasn't been since day one of the season. We've all been saying this till we're blue in the face. How many wins have we missed out on this season, being well in front and then ending up conceding and losing...
We'll not be bringing in any more defenders. Killa was brought in to sure up the defence. Result. 6 goals conceded. SOD is the manager, it is down to him to get the most out of the players, and at the moment he isn't.
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Mason on 87th minute. Talk about leaving it late.
I think we have to look to the midfield now. Killa is an improvement on anything we've had, so that should make the defence better. The midfield was far too attacking from the start today IMO. Not enough protection for the back 4 away from home leaves us constantly under pressure.
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We have n`t got the ability to change things, our substitutions smack of despatation, WTF can the subs do in 5 minutes!
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Fairhurst to snatch one.
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15 Goals conceded in 5 games now. Is anyone at the Club doing bugger all to arrest this trend?
Well done Rovers - embarrasing.
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at least we ve scored more goals than Arsenal of the south managed at Ipswich
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44% posession tells you all you need to know about the midfield IMO.
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Questions have to be asked now.
We only have to look in one direction as far as the league table is concerned.
Another 3 goals shipped in the 2nd half. Disgraceful.
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I-was-there1976 wrote:
at least we ve scored more goals than Arsenal of the south managed at Ipswich
Plus conceded 2 more than they did.
Seems to be 'bury the head in the sand' culture at Rovers at the moment. Problem? What Problem?
Best start looking over our shoulders - anything less than a victory at home on Tuesday night and we'll be well on the way to a relegation dogfight...and with our defensive / keeper frailities we are there for the taking.
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Where do we go from here? we bring Killa in to shore up the defence and shipped 6 goals in his 2 games, we need a big performance on Tuesday 11 goals shipped in 3 games!
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Load of crap. Beyond a joke how predictable 2nd halves away from home keep turning out. Look at the stats (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_1/9365340.stm), it was even at half time!
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feel sorry for billy,we have a midfield that does not function properly,but do not criticise the at your own risk,
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And no doubt next week in the Free Press JR will be slagging off the support. Only 250 travelled today.
This needs sorting and fast. Relegation would be unthinkable. I just don't understand how our second half performances can be so abysmal.
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Balls.
A lot of good things. A bit of soft defending, a deflection from a shot has done us.
I asked SOD tongue in cheek on Wednesday if he could encourage the players shoot more often. He gave me such a dirty look !!
I keep seeing it and I keep hearing it. If only so and so took a shot when he had the chance etc. They take a pop at goal and it goes in.
we need to be more ruthless at both ends.
Sounds like Killa had a good game. Shame Keegan didn't get on especially when Wilson got injured.
Still plenty of time left to make a go of it.
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Come on everyone lets think of the positives. Sounded much better than Wolves and Reading. We need to pick our heads up and move forward to the next game, we just aren't ready to be challenging for the play offs just yet there are still so many things to work on lets just take each game as they come and push as far as we can go and thats all we can do.
COYR
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DonnyBazR0ver wrote:
Balls.
A lot of good things. A bit of soft defending, a deflection from a shot has done us.
I asked SOD tongue in cheek on Wednesday if he could encourage the players shoot more often. He gave me such a dirty look !!
I keep seeing it and I keep hearing it. If only so and so took a shot when he had the chance etc. They take a pop at goal and it goes in.
we need to be more ruthless at both ends.
Sounds like Killa had a good game. Shame Keegan didn't get on especially when Wilson got injured.
Still plenty of time left to make a go of it.
Wake up and smelly the coffee pal. Scoring isn't the problem.
So what one of the goals was deflected? It makes no odds and your using it as an excuse.
We are shit at the back. We desperately need a keeper who is commanding and who inspires confidence in the back four.
I think it is plain to see there is unrest in the camp and morale is low. Something has to change and quick. Like I said, we only need to be looking in one direction.
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Top of my head, we have seven players injured all of whom would probably be selected ahead of players in the team today.
Get some perspective FFS!!!
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You're right MrFrost, obviously O'Driscoll is shit, lets get rid of him.
Get a grip FFS.
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i_ateallthepies wrote:
Top of my head, we have seven players injured all of whom would probably be selected ahead of players in the team today.
Get some perspective FFS!!!
Who?
Martis? Would he get in ahead of Lockwood? Doubtful
Dumbuya? Would you play him in front of JOC? No
Woods? Possibly
Stock? Yes
Thomas? No
Gillet? Yes
Can't think of who the other is, but there you have 2 maybe 3 who would have got into the team. Lets stop using injuries as an excuse and face facts.
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Seriously think some people on here need to get some perspective.
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drfcsteve wrote:
You're right MrFrost, obviously O'Driscoll is shit, lets get rid of him.
Get a grip FFS.
Where did I say that? Jesus Christ.
I said questions need to be asked.
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Our midfield cannot handle the pressure when teams take the game to us in the second half, they just lose it, hence the pressure. And our defence isn't great at the best of times, never mind the opposition having the freedom of our half to pick their passes and create chances. Looking at the stats they were all over us second half. Getting sick of this inevitable collapse every away game. We have now got the 3rd worst away defence in the league.
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drfcsteve wrote:
Seriously think some people on here need to get some perspective.
i think Wickes sell it. Its on offer this weekend
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MrFrost wrote:
DonnyBazR0ver wrote:
Balls.
A lot of good things. A bit of soft defending, a deflection from a shot has done us.
I asked SOD tongue in cheek on Wednesday if he could encourage the players shoot more often. He gave me such a dirty look !!
I keep seeing it and I keep hearing it. If only so and so took a shot when he had the chance etc. They take a pop at goal and it goes in.
we need to be more ruthless at both ends.
Sounds like Killa had a good game. Shame Keegan didn't get on especially when Wilson got injured.
Still plenty of time left to make a go of it.
Wake up and smelly the coffee pal. Scoring isn't the problem.
So what one of the goals was deflected? It makes no odds and your using it as an excuse.
We are shit at the back. We desperately need a keeper who is commanding and who inspires confidence in the back four.
I think it is plain to see there is unrest in the camp and morale is low. Something has to change and quick. Like I said, we only need to be looking in one direction.
I wouldn't say that it is plain to see unrest - based on what....???? Yet another totally over the top reaction - OK, we are going through a bad patch and are struggling without many of our first team squad, but I haven't seen any unrest - frustration perhaps, but no unrest. Stop stirring the pot man and calm down......
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Metalmicky wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
DonnyBazR0ver wrote:
Balls.
A lot of good things. A bit of soft defending, a deflection from a shot has done us.
I asked SOD tongue in cheek on Wednesday if he could encourage the players shoot more often. He gave me such a dirty look !!
I keep seeing it and I keep hearing it. If only so and so took a shot when he had the chance etc. They take a pop at goal and it goes in.
we need to be more ruthless at both ends.
Sounds like Killa had a good game. Shame Keegan didn't get on especially when Wilson got injured.
Still plenty of time left to make a go of it.
Wake up and smelly the coffee pal. Scoring isn't the problem.
So what one of the goals was deflected? It makes no odds and your using it as an excuse.
We are shit at the back. We desperately need a keeper who is commanding and who inspires confidence in the back four.
I think it is plain to see there is unrest in the camp and morale is low. Something has to change and quick. Like I said, we only need to be looking in one direction.
I wouldn't say that it is plain to see unrest - based on what....???? Yet another totally over the top reaction - OK, we are going through a bad patch and are struggling without many of our first team squad, but I haven't seen any unrest - frustration perhaps, but no unrest. Stop stirring the pot man and calm down......
I'll give Sullivan pushing one of his own players as an example.
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MrFrost wrote:
Metalmicky wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
DonnyBazR0ver wrote:
Balls.
A lot of good things. A bit of soft defending, a deflection from a shot has done us.
I asked SOD tongue in cheek on Wednesday if he could encourage the players shoot more often. He gave me such a dirty look !!
I keep seeing it and I keep hearing it. If only so and so took a shot when he had the chance etc. They take a pop at goal and it goes in.
we need to be more ruthless at both ends.
Sounds like Killa had a good game. Shame Keegan didn't get on especially when Wilson got injured.
Still plenty of time left to make a go of it.
Wake up and smelly the coffee pal. Scoring isn't the problem.
So what one of the goals was deflected? It makes no odds and your using it as an excuse.
We are shit at the back. We desperately need a keeper who is commanding and who inspires confidence in the back four.
I think it is plain to see there is unrest in the camp and morale is low. Something has to change and quick. Like I said, we only need to be looking in one direction.
I wouldn't say that it is plain to see unrest - based on what....???? Yet another totally over the top reaction - OK, we are going through a bad patch and are struggling without many of our first team squad, but I haven't seen any unrest - frustration perhaps, but no unrest. Stop stirring the pot man and calm down......
I'll give Sullivan pushing one of his own players as an example.
An example of what exatcly - I can't believe you're suggesting that this indicates unrest in the camp............. :blink:
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MrFrost wrote:
Metalmicky wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
DonnyBazR0ver wrote:
Balls.
A lot of good things. A bit of soft defending, a deflection from a shot has done us.
I asked SOD tongue in cheek on Wednesday if he could encourage the players shoot more often. He gave me such a dirty look !!
I keep seeing it and I keep hearing it. If only so and so took a shot when he had the chance etc. They take a pop at goal and it goes in.
we need to be more ruthless at both ends.
Sounds like Killa had a good game. Shame Keegan didn't get on especially when Wilson got injured.
Still plenty of time left to make a go of it.
Wake up and smelly the coffee pal. Scoring isn't the problem.
So what one of the goals was deflected? It makes no odds and your using it as an excuse.
We are shit at the back. We desperately need a keeper who is commanding and who inspires confidence in the back four.
I think it is plain to see there is unrest in the camp and morale is low. Something has to change and quick. Like I said, we only need to be looking in one direction.
I wouldn't say that it is plain to see unrest - based on what....???? Yet another totally over the top reaction - OK, we are going through a bad patch and are struggling without many of our first team squad, but I haven't seen any unrest - frustration perhaps, but no unrest. Stop stirring the pot man and calm down......
I'll give Sullivan pushing one of his own players as an example.
Wouldn't you if said player had pinched one of your jelly babies in a packet at the foot of the post. :laugh:
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MrFrost wrote:
i_ateallthepies wrote:
Top of my head, we have seven players injured all of whom would probably be selected ahead of players in the team today.
Get some perspective FFS!!!
Who?
Martis? Would he get in ahead of Lockwood? Doubtful
Dumbuya? Would you play him in front of JOC? No
Woods? Possibly
Stock? Yes
Thomas? No
Gillet? Yes
Can't think of who the other is, but there you have 2 maybe 3 who would have got into the team. Lets stop using injuries as an excuse and face facts.
1. Martis? has been Sean's first choice
2. Dumbuya? would be ahead of Chambo for many with the performances he put in
3. Woods? definately
4. Stock? obviously
5. Thomas? favoured ahead of Locky before injury
6. Gillet? you agree
7. Joe Mills, would be first choice if not injured and loan extension sorted.
Do you reckon we should be able to take that degree of weakening and still not be suffering?
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The poor second half performances are not just away from home, they happen at home as well. We usually dominate the first half, go in at half time confident the opposition manager changes something and we can`t respond, we`re getting sussed out pretty quick these days, our substitutions are often too late to make any difference, we have one style of playing and if that does n`t work we`re f**ked!
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i_ateallthepies wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
i_ateallthepies wrote:
Top of my head, we have seven players injured all of whom would probably be selected ahead of players in the team today.
Get some perspective FFS!!!
Who?
Martis? Would he get in ahead of Lockwood? Doubtful
Dumbuya? Would you play him in front of JOC? No
Woods? Possibly
Stock? Yes
Thomas? No
Gillet? Yes
Can't think of who the other is, but there you have 2 maybe 3 who would have got into the team. Lets stop using injuries as an excuse and face facts.
1. Martis? has been Sean's first choice
2. Dumbuya? would be ahead of Chambo for many with the performances he put in
3. Woods? definately
4. Stock? obviously
5. Thomas? favoured ahead of Locky before injury
6. Gillet? you agree
7. Joe Mills, would be first choice if not injured and loan extension sorted.
Do you reckon we should be able to take that degree of weakening and still not be suffering?
So Martis and Thomas would have played? What about Killa? Dumbuya is a right back so you'd play him there and JOC at left back out of position? Woods definately with Stock, Oster, Coppinger and Gillet? Wouldn't work. Mills isn't here so he doesn't come into it.
Look at it in reality, only 2 or 3 of the injured players would have made the starting line up today.
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It's only away from home where we leak goals though. The defence at home is actually pretty good, believe it or not after last week.
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Our best defence for me would be dumbo...killa......joc.....chambo, have we been the same without dumbo? We are looking relegation favourites at the moment, a bit of a scunny, decent going forward but gash at the back. We have got worse season on season in the championship, no more a footballing team, which is why we have managed to stay up and punch above our weight, we look every bit a league 1 club from top to bottom.
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jmt wrote:
Our best defence for me would be dumbo...killa......joc.....chambo, have we been the same without dumbo? We are looking relegation favourites at the moment, a bit of a scunny, decent going forward but gash at the back. We have got worse season on season in the championship, no more a footballing team, which is why we have managed to stay up and punch above our weight, we look every bit a league 1 club from top to bottom.
Go and have a look at the leaue positions from our first and second years in this division.
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MrFrost wrote:
i_ateallthepies wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
i_ateallthepies wrote:
Top of my head, we have seven players injured all of whom would probably be selected ahead of players in the team today.
Get some perspective FFS!!!
Who?
Martis? Would he get in ahead of Lockwood? Doubtful
Dumbuya? Would you play him in front of JOC? No
Woods? Possibly
Stock? Yes
Thomas? No
Gillet? Yes
Can't think of who the other is, but there you have 2 maybe 3 who would have got into the team. Lets stop using injuries as an excuse and face facts.
1. Martis? has been Sean's first choice
2. Dumbuya? would be ahead of Chambo for many with the performances he put in
3. Woods? definately
4. Stock? obviously
5. Thomas? favoured ahead of Locky before injury
6. Gillet? you agree
7. Joe Mills, would be first choice if not injured and loan extension sorted.
Do you reckon we should be able to take that degree of weakening and still not be suffering?
So Martis and Thomas would have played? What about Killa? Dumbuya is a right back so you'd play him there and JOC at left back out of position? Woods definately with Stock, Oster, Coppinger and Gillet? Wouldn't work. Mills isn't here so he doesn't come into it.
Look at it in reality, only 2 or 3 of the injured players would have made the starting line up today.
The point is not that all of these would play, but they all would be (were) favoured ahead of players in the team presently... which is about the strength in depth.
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i_ateallthepies wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
i_ateallthepies wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
i_ateallthepies wrote:
Top of my head, we have seven players injured all of whom would probably be selected ahead of players in the team today.
Get some perspective FFS!!!
Who?
Martis? Would he get in ahead of Lockwood? Doubtful
Dumbuya? Would you play him in front of JOC? No
Woods? Possibly
Stock? Yes
Thomas? No
Gillet? Yes
Can't think of who the other is, but there you have 2 maybe 3 who would have got into the team. Lets stop using injuries as an excuse and face facts.
1. Martis? has been Sean's first choice
2. Dumbuya? would be ahead of Chambo for many with the performances he put in
3. Woods? definately
4. Stock? obviously
5. Thomas? favoured ahead of Locky before injury
6. Gillet? you agree
7. Joe Mills, would be first choice if not injured and loan extension sorted.
Do you reckon we should be able to take that degree of weakening and still not be suffering?
So Martis and Thomas would have played? What about Killa? Dumbuya is a right back so you'd play him there and JOC at left back out of position? Woods definately with Stock, Oster, Coppinger and Gillet? Wouldn't work. Mills isn't here so he doesn't come into it.
Look at it in reality, only 2 or 3 of the injured players would have made the starting line up today.
The point is not that all of these would play, but they all would be (were) favoured ahead of players in the team presently... which is about the strength in depth.
Your original point is that they all would have played ahead of players selected today. They wouldn't. Martis and Thomas wouldn't have come in ahead of Killa. Dumbuya woudn't have come in ahead of JOC. You couldn't accomodate Woods, Stock, Gillet, Oster and Coppinger without dropping Sharp or Hayter which wouldn't have happened.
I'm sick of hearing injuries as an excuse. Time we started putting right what is actually going wrong instead of blaming it on this that and the other.
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You must be right then Frosty.
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MrFrost wrote:
i_ateallthepies wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
i_ateallthepies wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
i_ateallthepies wrote:
Top of my head, we have seven players injured all of whom would probably be selected ahead of players in the team today.
Get some perspective FFS!!!
Who?
Martis? Would he get in ahead of Lockwood? Doubtful
Dumbuya? Would you play him in front of JOC? No
Woods? Possibly
Stock? Yes
Thomas? No
Gillet? Yes
Can't think of who the other is, but there you have 2 maybe 3 who would have got into the team. Lets stop using injuries as an excuse and face facts.
1. Martis? has been Sean's first choice
2. Dumbuya? would be ahead of Chambo for many with the performances he put in
3. Woods? definately
4. Stock? obviously
5. Thomas? favoured ahead of Locky before injury
6. Gillet? you agree
7. Joe Mills, would be first choice if not injured and loan extension sorted.
Do you reckon we should be able to take that degree of weakening and still not be suffering?
So Martis and Thomas would have played? What about Killa? Dumbuya is a right back so you'd play him there and JOC at left back out of position? Woods definately with Stock, Oster, Coppinger and Gillet? Wouldn't work. Mills isn't here so he doesn't come into it.
Look at it in reality, only 2 or 3 of the injured players would have made the starting line up today.
The point is not that all of these would play, but they all would be (were) favoured ahead of players in the team presently... which is about the strength in depth.
Your original point is that they all would have played ahead of players selected today. They wouldn't. Martis and Thomas wouldn't have come in ahead of Killa. Dumbuya woudn't have come in ahead of JOC. You couldn't accomodate Woods, Stock, Gillet, Oster and Coppinger without dropping Sharp or Hayter which wouldn't have happened.
I'm sick of hearing injuries as an excuse. Time we started putting right what is actually going wrong instead of blaming it on this that and the other.
I'm not sure it's excuses, merely facts. With any team if you take away two or three regulars you upset the balance of the team. Teams who have fewer injuries and continuity tend to perform better than teams that are forced to chop and change.
For the record, it took us 28 games for us to reach 34 points last season, so we are not in such bad shape - just on a bad run. It happens to all teams throughout the season. I'll take our position ahead of the Blades............. Keep smiling Frosty
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One thing is for certain. It is absolutely essential we pick up all three points on Tuesday night.
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I'm not talking league positions, I'm talking the style of play, in our first season it was the best football I have ever seen, and also the best some opposition teams had seen, could the same be said for the last two seasons?
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Yes.
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On a positive slant:-
We may have 3rd worst away record in division for goals conceded but we have 4th best record for goals scored away from home!
Bet thats cheered you up eh?
Oh ok ill get me coat :S
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Thinwhiteduke wrote:
One thing is for certain. It is absolutely essential we pick up all three points on Tuesday night.
Not really essential is it. If we were to lose 10-0 on Tuesday, but then win our next 20 matches then our loss would pale into insignificance.................. therefore it ain't essential!
It is like people asking for 110 percent - it's totally impossible, but people still want it ........................ :silly:
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Metalmicky wrote:
Thinwhiteduke wrote:
One thing is for certain. It is absolutely essential we pick up all three points on Tuesday night.
Not really essential is it. If we were to lose 10-0 on Tuesday, but then win our next 20 matches then our loss would pale into insignificance.................. therefore it ain't essential!
It is like people asking for 110 percent - it's totally impossible, but people still want it ........................ :silly:
I think three points would be good, but not essential. A clean sheet would be a huge bonus as well.
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I know this thread has been pretty much covered from every angle now but just wanted to say I've now watched the highlights and to I get the impression Ipswitch were fairly lucky to get the win and a draw was probably deserved by the lads. The winner was a dead fluke, going miles wide with a cheeky deflection to just manage to sneak in off the post. Hayter should have also probably equalised near the end when he hit the side netting.
Onwards and upwards - let's thrash the dingles tonight!
RTID :scarf: