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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: mushRTID on July 23, 2011, 04:32:01 pm
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When do the text jokes start?
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Sad but hardly a surprise really is it ?
She really should have gone to rehab instead of saying no no no
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My mates have already cracked on with the jokes.
Such a wasted talent, and a waste of a life. But this finally proves the Blackpool ride \"Rita\" really is Queen of Speed.
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In all seriousness, 'tis a shame.
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Rita is at Alton Towers, not Blackpool.
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Sad news, feel abit gutted without even knowing the girl, similar age to myself. Kind of hard to believe atm.
Im not being gay soppy before anyone starts either, tis just not nice.
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She knew what she was doing. She knew the risks. Sorry to sound cold about it, but the only surprise is she lasted as long as she did.
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We'll soon hear no doubt from her dad Mitch about how the media are partly responsible for hounding her and how she struggled to cope with fame.
He'll probably announce it at the launch of his new Winehouse/Sinatra covers CD.
Cause of death yet unexplained. \"Hello, Is that William Hills?' \"Can I have 100 pounds on Drugs please?'
P.S. My thoughts go out to Mitch, Blake and her dealer.
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Another member of the 27 Club.
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P.S. My thoughts go out to Mitch, Blake and her dealer.
My thoughts exactly....hope Blake is especially proud of himself!!
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On a side note. Did anyone see the film about Lemmy last night on BBC4?
The man has done nothing but drink JD and stupid amounts of Speed and he seems pretty unaffected.
Can't say i'm surprised about Winehouse, still a shame though. She was talented. Just waiting for the cliched quotes of \"flawed genius\"...b*llocks
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The trouble is, people who do drugs DON'T seem know the risks because they always think they aren't going to be like that, no one takes drugs thinking that first time oh yippee I'm going to be a raddled mess and die bruised dirty and alone in squallid
conditions do they? Just one hit doesn't hurt, then volla it hurts to not have that hit. I find it so hard to condem because I know too many kids that have either come out the other side or are still in the grip..Good , stupid foolish kids that thought it can't hurt I'm not a junkie.
and looking beyond the well it's no suprise, then yes it is a terrible waste, 27 years old and so much raw tallent..
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She knew what she was doing. She knew the risks. Sorry to sound cold about it, but the only surprise is she lasted as long as she did.
Absolutely. She didn't want to sort herself out and pressed the self destruct button a long time ago. No real surprise from me, nor sympathy.
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On a side note. Did anyone see the film about Lemmy last night on BBC4?
The man has done nothing but drink JD and stupid amounts of Speed and he seems pretty unaffected.
Can't say i'm surprised about Winehouse, still a shame though. She was talented. Just waiting for the cliched quotes of \"flawed genius\"...b*llocks
Yes I did...Lemmy deserves the accolade of Legend.
I hate the 'They know what they are doing..they deserve all they get' brigade. As JucyBerry states above..they rarely do know the full consequences of their actions. Something more underlying must have been going on with Amy to be so dependant on drugs AND alcohol at the age of 21 / 22.
Cause of her death is as yet unexplained...but it wouldnt suprise me one bit if it was suicide.
Many have come through the other side having hit the Drugs / Booze much much harder including the aformentioned Lemmy, Iggy Pop, Ozzy Osbourne, David Bowie, Keith Richards and lots more besides. Amy was one of the unlucky ones.
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No one has to take recreational drugs. You'd hope that most people would steer well clear in the first place to avoid getting in too deep.
My sympathy is reserved for Norway today. No-one there brought the situation on themselves.
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Confirmed reports that Amy Winehouse has been put down after breaking her leg at Ascot today.
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I hate the 'They know what they are doing..they deserve all they get' brigade. As JucyBerry states above..they rarely do know the full consequences of their actions. Something more underlying must have been going on with Amy to be so dependant on drugs AND alcohol at the age of 21 / 22.
Absolutely right about the path that led her there at such a tender age, but as for not understanding the consequences, thats utter rubbish. She may have sang about not going into rehab, but she has been the market sector's best customer for the past half decade. She knew, she ignored the advice and assistance and went back to her old ways.
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Imo people like Amy and other addicts are ill. There is somthing in the brain that is not right. Yes she new what she was doing, and she also tried to sort herself out a few times but sliped back to her old ways. Thats what you need to change,your old ways,friends and to do all of that is very hard. I lost a very good friend to herion on christmas eve. Its her loved ones i feel for. Its them who have to pick up the peices.
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I've done more drugs than Amy, her w**ker boyfriend and her dealer put togother.
Made of sterner stuff, weaklings should stay well clear of things they can't handle.
RIP
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f**kin gapped toothed gypsy crack whore. Couldn't stand the hairy Kitson, wasted talent? My arse, she was f**kin shoit!!
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f**kin gapped toothed gypsy crack whore. Couldn't stand the hairy Kitson, wasted talent? My arse, she was f**kin shoit!!
I'm looking for decent odds on that shitty rehab song being No1 next week. Anyone seen any?
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No mate, but I wish I'd backed it yesterday.
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No mate, but I wish I'd backed it yesterday.
My bet is a re-make of a previous hit and re-named \"Back to Moroccan black\"!!!
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I bet it's the first bit of good news the Murdochs have had for ages - Surely that's one less celebrity to compensate for hacking their phone...
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Addicts have by their very nature addictive personalities, be it if they are hooked on heroin, beer, fags or chocolate, only chocolate will take far longer to kill you, how many would say filthy junkie, tried rehab but just went back to it, whilst puffing on that cigarette that you keep on trying to quit? sometimes wanting to quit just isn't enough, no matter who, or what you have to live for.
I told Adam about it when he and ty came in, Ty heard the word drugs and said, what, my mummy? Can you imagine what it is like to be five and know what your mum is? I know the day will come when probably we do have to tell him she has overdosed, as I say, sometimes you can't quit, no matter who you have to live for.
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A five year old knowing about drugs?
Winehouse got what was coming to her. No addiction is impossible to overcome. She chose the path she took. Tough shit.
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Life isn't always pretty Michael.
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Did i say it was?
I'd question the need for a five year to know about the pitfalls of drug addiction though.
I have seen people come back from the brink of various addictions, putting it behind them and getting on with their lives. Nothing is impossible. Winehouse had her chance.
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f**kin gapped toothed gypsy crack whore. Couldn't stand the hairy Kitson, wasted talent? My arse, she was f**kin shoit!!
amen brother!
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TBF, Love is a Losing Game is a great record.
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Did i say it was?
I'd question the need for a five year to know about the pitfalls of drug addiction though.
I have seen people come back from the brink of various addictions, putting it behind them and getting on with their lives. Nothing is impossible. Winehouse had her chance.
His mother has been an addict all his life, It's why she isn't allowed to have him with her, not that she has anywhere to live at the moment, she is happily shacked up in a snow covered world of kettamine dust with her best friend. Pity more her son, not even five with all the skills needed to cut k for her and roll her joints, something thank god Ty has been spared from.
He knows that she loves him (a point that is very debateable but one that he doesn't need to face yet) and that he can't have sleepovers with mummy because she lives with naughty people who do bad thing and take drugs. I doubt for one moment he can name those drugs mind you but he has had years of seeing her erratic behaviour and the last time she actually had him for the day, when he was three she was raided by the drug squad. so yes, he knows things that a five year old shouldn't, but he is safe and loved that is the most important thing.
Sometimes the addiction is far stonger than even the basic urge for survival.
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So they say Amy Winehouse died because of a crack problem. Maybe if she'd washed it more often she would have lived longer!
SKY NEWS: Amy Winehouse found dead in her flat.
in other news:::
North London drug dealers file for bankruptcy!!!
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Did i say it was?
I'd question the need for a five year to know about the pitfalls of drug addiction though.
I have seen people come back from the brink of various addictions, putting it behind them and getting on with their lives. Nothing is impossible. Winehouse had her chance.
His mother has been an addict all his life, It's why she isn't allowed to have him with her, not that she has anywhere to live at the moment, she is happily shacked up in a snow covered world of kettamine dust with her best friend. Pity more her son, not even five with all the skills needed to cut k for her and roll her joints, something thank god Ty has been spared from.
He knows that she loves him (a point that is very debateable but one that he doesn't need to face yet) and that he can't have sleepovers with mummy because she lives with naughty people who do bad thing and take drugs. I doubt for one moment he can name those drugs mind you but he has had years of seeing her erratic behaviour and the last time she actually had him for the day, when he was three she was raided by the drug squad. so yes, he knows things that a five year old shouldn't, but he is safe and loved that is the most important thing.
Sometimes the addiction is far stonger than even the basic urge for survival.
That seems very sensible to me JB. Kids are never too young to learn anything, it's just how you put it.
I think MrFrost was under the impression you'd sat him down and made him watch Trainspotting.
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Even I have never seen that one, the nearest I get to trainspotting is waiting for my train oooop North..lol
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Slightly off at a tangent, the Missus said someone on Facebook had posted that David Guetta had died yesterday...and his Wiki page says the same thing. Nothing in the news though...
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Such a sad loss. I too believe that some addictions can be more powerful than the will to survive. I know that some drugs like crack are nearly impossible to break free from. There is such a thing as an addictive personality and those people can be addicted to multiple things simultaneously. Amy was one of the unlucky ones I think in that regard, and in addition acted out publicly many times which although might alert others to her problems and a need for help, also served to cause public disdain. I don't totally absolve her from responsibility though, but believe she had fewer coping mechanisms and more 'issues' than we may ever know. I also wonder if these people ever do rest in peace...
But as a signer, she was awesome and she gave the world music many of us will never forget.
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Slightly off at a tangent, the Missus said someone on Facebook had posted that David Guetta had died yesterday...and his Wiki page says the same thing. Nothing in the news though...
Never heard of him.
Mind you, when any of my favourite band kicks the bucket I don't expect it to make the headlines either.
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Slightly off at a tangent, the Missus said someone on Facebook had posted that David Guetta had died yesterday...and his Wiki page says the same thing. Nothing in the news though...
Been changed back mate. I tend not to trust Wikipedia, with it being so easy to edit.
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Such a sad loss. I too believe that some addictions can be more powerful than the will to survive. I know that some drugs like crack are nearly impossible to break free from. There is such a thing as an addictive personality and those people can be addicted to multiple things simultaneously. Amy was one of the unlucky ones I think in that regard, and in addition acted out publicly many times which although might alert others to her problems and a need for help, also served to cause public disdain. I don't totally absolve her from responsibility though, but believe she had fewer coping mechanisms and more 'issues' than we may ever know. I also wonder if these people ever do rest in peace...
But as a signer, she was awesome and she gave the world music many of us will never forget.
Get real, i've seen better toss pots singing in The White Swan in Balby on a friday neet. Mark Ronson made her music sound ok.
Also, I felt sorry for her make up artist because as the saying goes \"you can't polish a turd\".
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Sad story, but she'd been on self destruct for a long time and her demise was largely self inflicted (not helped by keeping the company of idiots).
No outpouring of grief here, but I'm sad and disappointed because I honestly think she was by far the best female vocalist of my generation. Unique voice, and Back to Black is one of the finest albums I own, even though in genre it's unlike most of my collection. I'd looked forward to further albums so from a personal perspective, I guess that's why her death is disappointing to me. I didn't know her so I can't join in with the 'heartbroken' element.
Wake up Alone was probably her finest hour, in my opinion.
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Such a sad loss. I too believe that some addictions can be more powerful than the will to survive. I know that some drugs like crack are nearly impossible to break free from. There is such a thing as an addictive personality and those people can be addicted to multiple things simultaneously. Amy was one of the unlucky ones I think in that regard, and in addition acted out publicly many times which although might alert others to her problems and a need for help, also served to cause public disdain. I don't totally absolve her from responsibility though, but believe she had fewer coping mechanisms and more 'issues' than we may ever know. I also wonder if these people ever do rest in peace...
But as a signer, she was awesome and she gave the world music many of us will never forget.
Get real, i've seen better toss pots singing in The White Swan in Balby on a friday neet. Mark Ronson made her music sound ok.
Also, I felt sorry for her make up artist because as the saying goes \"you can't polish a turd\".
Nudga, I think she had a phenomenal voice and also was a great song writer. And I have to wonder if she helped Mark Ronson's career rather than the other way around, though no doubt he has influenced some of the arrangements. ( Also, I know I should back up all this with research, but at the moment I can't be arsed.)
Must be some great singers at The White Swan though. ;)
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Looking at the tibutes left near her home, fans have left flowers, letters and paintings, but most wierdly of al bottles of booze....It truly is a strange old world we live in.
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I think she had a phenomenal voice and also was a great song writer. And I have to wonder if she helped Mark Ronson's career rather than the other way around, though no doubt he has influenced some of the arrangements.
I think they made a good partnership. Some brilliant production and arrangements by Ronson on Back to Black, but can't get away from the quality of the writing and the vocal from Winehouse. It's a shame there won't be more from her. Definitely a wasted talent.
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Looking at the tibutes left near her home, fans have left flowers, letters and paintings, but most wierdly of al bottles of booze....It truly is a strange old world we live in.
I can see where you are coming from Deb, but is it necessarily strange? Whatever people's lifestyles, some folk would ask to be buried/left with bottles of booze/fags or whatever as it was their way. We don't know who it was who left the bottles, but I am trying to think of how Amy might have wanted things, whether I agree with how she lived or not ;)
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Well whoever left 'em wasn't an alcoholic, and if they were they'll be pissed off now.
Sorry, I don't mean to be disrespectful, but it's just one life and folk go way ott when they've heard the name, like they knew 'em or summat. There but for the grace of God and all that, but FFS, Amy is probably pissing herself at all the outpourings, I know I would be.
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The big three - Crack/Heroin/Crystal Meth. These three are the ones to stay away from, simply as that, the rest you can take with out any complications as long as you know what your doing. The streets are filled with 'drugies' there everywhere you can't escape from that fact. The goverment is the only people to be blamed, simply if they wanted rid of the drug trade they would of, just like they get rid of anything they don't like. Its fine though because were well looked after are we not? The goverment don't let companyies sell harmful products do they.
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The goverment is the only people to be blamed, simply if they wanted rid of the drug trade they would of, just like they get rid of anything they don't like.
I'd love to hear you tell us how.
I mean, they've done so well with getting rid of murder, robbery, GBH and arson that geting rid of the drug trade will be a piece of piss for them.
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Legalise it?
Thats a whole different debate......
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The goverment is the only people to be blamed, simply if they wanted rid of the drug trade they would of, just like they get rid of anything they don't like.
I'd love to hear you tell us how.
I mean, they've done so well with getting rid of murder, robbery, GBH and arson that geting rid of the drug trade will be a piece of piss for them.
When did I ever say the goverment have tried getting rid of any of those things? If we have fear of these crimes, we are in more need of a goverment.
Have you ever been through an airport? In the 20+ times i've been on planes, i've never seen a police dog, have you? There's a start.
How many police dogs are there at ports/harbours up and down the country? I could write a list aslong as my arm, like i said if they wanted rid, they'd of got rid.
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When did I ever say the goverment have tried getting rid of any of those things? If we have fear of these crimes, we are in more need of a goverment.
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The goverment is the only people to be blamed, simply if they wanted rid of the drug trade they would of, just like they get rid of anything they don't like.
I'd love to hear you tell us how.
I mean, they've done so well with getting rid of murder, robbery, GBH and arson that geting rid of the drug trade will be a piece of piss for them.
When did I ever say the goverment have tried getting rid of any of those things? If we have fear of these crimes, we are in more need of a goverment.
Have you ever been through an airport? In the 20+ times i've been on planes, i've never seen a police dog, have you? There's a start.
How many police dogs are there at ports/harbours up and down the country? I could write a list aslong as my arm, like i said if they wanted rid, they'd of got rid.
OK then...how?
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Even if drugs were legalised kids would find new and to them exotic ways to get high. Glue, solvents, plant food, horse pills, the list goes on and on before you even reel off the so called hard drugs.
With legal suppliers all you would really garuantee (sp) is that the supply is clean and uncut. An unscrupilous supplier can feed his plants with water laced with heroin making it just as dangerous as a resin with stronger drugs cut into it to catch the unwary pothead.
One of the saddest things for me is that many relapsed addicts who die do so because they think they can consume the same ammount after a break as they did at the height of their consumption and their bodies just cannot take it. just one more hit is usually the last. the shock to their bodies is just too much.
So much is quite rightly made of the evil of drugs, but we think nothing of the other , socially acceptable addiction...Booze... You would give a smackhead shooting up in the corner of the bar a wide berth, but how many think nothing of lining up the pints and chasers?
there is nothing glamerous about a drinker any more than there is a druggy.
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Anyway back on topic.
She was a scruffy, hairy, gap toothed smelly bas**rd that couldn't hold a note when \"singing\" live.
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The big three - Crack/Heroin/Crystal Meth. These three are the ones to stay away from, simply as that, the rest you can take with out any complications as long as you know what your doing. The streets are filled with 'drugies' there everywhere you can't escape from that fact. The goverment is the only people to be blamed, simply if they wanted rid of the drug trade they would of, just like they get rid of anything they don't like. Its fine though because were well looked after are we not? The goverment don't let companyies sell harmful products do they.
So you can take coke, pills, ket, lsd, and god knows what else without complications?
I think I have heard it all now.
Even smoking weed has longer lasting effects which have been medically proven.
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Did i say it was?
I'd question the need for a five year to know about the pitfalls of drug addiction though.
I have seen people come back from the brink of various addictions, putting it behind them and getting on with their lives. Nothing is impossible. Winehouse had her chance.
Nice person you are then.
My cousin died from drug abuse...despite 5 attempts at beating it. Some people are made of stronger stuff than others. Its quite disgusting that you label everyone as one and the same.
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Nudga, I think she had a phenomenal voice and also was a great song writer. And I have to wonder if she helped Mark Ronson's career rather than the other way around, though no doubt he has influenced some of the arrangements. ( Also, I know I should back up all this with research, but at the moment I can't be arsed.)
Its widely regarded whe had a fantastic voice, search out some of the Youtube stuff from 2001 / 2002 before she even had a record deal. She has been universally acclaimed for opening the door for the majority of solo female artists that followed her....because no one gave a shit about female artists unless they were performing bubblegum pop music up until she came on the scene.
People make the Ronson connection....however, Ronson will only work with people who he classes as highly talented...and, to be honest, her devut album 'Frank' is a better effort than the half Ronson produced 'Back to Black' (note the word half).
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The big three - Crack/Heroin/Crystal Meth. These three are the ones to stay away from, simply as that, the rest you can take with out any complications as long as you know what your doing. The streets are filled with 'drugies' there everywhere you can't escape from that fact. The goverment is the only people to be blamed, simply if they wanted rid of the drug trade they would of, just like they get rid of anything they don't like. Its fine though because were well looked after are we not? The goverment don't let companyies sell harmful products do they.
So you can take coke, pills, ket, lsd, and god knows what else without complications?
I think I have heard it all now.
Even smoking weed has longer lasting effects which have been medically proven.
I pointed the main 3 out as the most dangerous, the rest are dangerous if you mix it with pure shite ie rat poison, talc, paracetamol ect. If you know what your doing and take it in moderate amounts you will be fine, the long term effects are not good, but on a similar note either is drinking or smoking.
Now onto how you can fight drugs.
First of all, like you do in a few jobs already, random piss tests for everyone. People will be put off by the idea of doing becuase if they do they will loose there jobs, not everyone but numbers would drop.
Stricter laws against dealing and doing drugs, or better yet enforce the rules put in place.
Link (http://www.drugscope.org.uk/resources/faqs/faqpages/what-are-the-uk-drug-laws.htm)
How many stories have you heard that drug dealers have been let off or given a warning. There is one in Doncaster who I know of and has done, busted for having over £400 in his car with him, he did not get the 5 years + fine or the 14 years + fine (he was supposed to get for supply).
He got a fine and a warning, he is still doing his business today.
Like i've already said, police + dogs at airports, harbours, ports ect, cos there isn't enough. People are getting them in somehow.
I don't blame the police they just get told what to do by the goverment.
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In the States it is almost impossible to get a job without being tested, or is in Vegas where the daughter in laws lot are anyway. Her brother had to be tested for his job, and that's only in a dog grooming parlour... probably the reason why she came back, she knew she would never get work.. :angry:
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With legal suppliers all you would really garuantee (sp) is that the supply is clean and uncut. An unscrupilous supplier can feed his plants with water laced with heroin making it just as dangerous as a resin with stronger drugs cut into it to catch the unwary pothead.
The 'legalise drugs' argument is a complete red herring and put forward by people who don't understand economics.
Supposedly, it would bring down prices (until the government slapped excise duties on them and made them expensive again) and supposedly cut down on crimes that fund habits.
Now, if you're a heroin supplier in Pakistan or Afghanistan, or a Columbian cocaine baron - where are you going to want to sell your drugs...cheaply in the UK, or for ten times the profit (and even mote profitably when cut down with crap) in every other country on the planet..?
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Now onto how you can fight drugs.
First of all, like you do in a few jobs already, random piss tests for everyone. People will be put off by the idea of doing becuase if they do they will loose there jobs, not everyone but numbers would drop.
Stricter laws against dealing and doing drugs, or better yet enforce the rules put in place.
Link (http://www.drugscope.org.uk/resources/faqs/faqpages/what-are-the-uk-drug-laws.htm)
Yep, that'll really hurt all the junkies who thieve to fund their habit.
How many stories have you heard that drug dealers have been let off or given a warning. There is one in Doncaster who I know of and has done, busted for having over £400 in his car with him, he did not get the 5 years + fine or the 14 years + fine (he was supposed to get for supply).
He got a fine and a warning, he is still doing his business today.
So what? Lock one up and another one will spring up in his place, because there's money to be made. Achieves nothing in the long term.
Like i've already said, police + dogs at airports, harbours, ports ect, cos there isn't enough. People are getting them in somehow.
I don't blame the police they just get told what to do by the goverment.
Erm...the police don't do ports and airports. The Border Agency do. I bet you have no idea how many different entrances into the country there are - and that's just legitimate ways where stuff can come through on a person, in private vehicles, in commercial containers and consignments, or through the post. On top of that there's non-legitmate ways, usually motorboats and private aircraft. There is no way they can all be monitored in the depth you're suggesting 24/7. The cost would cripple the country.
Oh, and dogs aren't the solution either. They don't always detect, and they also make false detects. They can only pick one up at a time, which is not much good if there are multiple couriers in the same shipment. Take it from someone who worked for twenty years in Customs & Excise and has used dogs.
I see nothing there there that suggests anything that might 'stop drugs'. Scratch the surface, yes, but stop? Pffft.
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I pointed the main 3 out as the most dangerous, the rest are dangerous if you mix it with pure shite ie rat poison, talc, paracetamol ect. If you know what your doing and take it in moderate amounts you will be fine, the long term effects are not good, but on a similar note either is drinking or smoking.
Hmmm...drinking and smoking don't give you psychosis like cocaine does, or flashbacks years after you've taken them like LSD does, or make you paranoid like cannabis does, or destroy your bladder like ketamine does....
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Personally, I'd rther they got rid of every last gramm of every last substance, my point is, even if they did kids would find something else to get a kick from..
I could name the kids who used to come into the shop, sadly no longer here, and those who are, but are on borrowed time, I could also name some who managed to get clean...
I could also name one who liked the lynx effect..up his nose, and those who spent their teens with their heads in glue bags. Legalising wouldn't as you say make much difference.. More has to be done to educate kids to the dangers, and more should be done to help and support those wanting to get clean..not everyone can afford a stint in the priory after all
Saddest case I know, lovely young girl, really sweet, heroin addict for years finally got clean only to die from a reaction to perscribed medication.. Not an overdose, an allergic reaction. Who knows if in part caused because of her years of abuse.. if roumors are right and Amy was clean, perhaps her poor little body just gave up?
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You know what is really wierd? The fella lives in I guess you would call it the outskirts of Donny yet knows no one on drugs...
I live in a little village in the back end of Norfolk and can name almost every kind of addict you can think of... Doesn't say much about Heacham really does it?
I'm depressed now.
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You know what is really wierd? The fella lives in I guess you would call it the outskirts of Donny yet knows no one on drugs...
I live in a little village in the back end of Norfolk and can name almost every kind of addict you can think of... Doesn't say much about Heacham really does it?
I'm depressed now.
It is quite deppressing, unfortunately its the world we live in, I work for the mental health services so I hear about people on drugs all the time.
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The difference is I guess in a village everyone knows everyone else, in a town you don't get that people keep to themselves.
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Right clearly i've hit a few buttons here, I'll rephrase my point and apologise.
Its safe to say then that the goverment are not winnging the war on drugs, surely then they can do more against it? Even if 10% of the drugs in this country were disposed of it would save thousands of people, which is better for them, rather than them slowly dying/overdosing. It doesn't help that people see these people as scum either and choose to ignore these people.
And agree again jucyberry, people don't tend to give a f**k about anyone else anymore.
Back to orginal point though, she was a great singer, never my cup of tea, thoughts go out to her family.
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See this is the thing, it is so easy to label these kids, young adults what ever as druggy scum despise them and turn your back. It's understandable, it's a frightening thing. But it doesn't help and it certainly doesn't work like that in the long run. people CAN be manipulated into hard drugs. By all means despise the dealer, and the drugs, but at the end of the day, it costs less to rehabilitate than it does to jail, and the aftermath of drugtaking can lead to mental health issues..
and for me the sad thing is, even if you get clean, unless you cut yourself off completely from your old life, it is so easy to get drawn back in again. for many peope , the only time they are finally free of the addiction is the day that like Amy , they pass away.
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Get rid of drugs? Don't be daft, they're great fun if used correctly.
Alcohol causes far more deaths and misery than any drugs ever have or ever will. I'm always slightly bemused by folk who are anti-drugs but love a glass or two of wine. Why not call for a ban on alcohol?
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With legal suppliers all you would really garuantee (sp) is that the supply is clean and uncut. An unscrupilous supplier can feed his plants with water laced with heroin making it just as dangerous as a resin with stronger drugs cut into it to catch the unwary pothead.
The 'legalise drugs' argument is a complete red herring and put forward by people who don't understand economics.
Supposedly, it would bring down prices (until the government slapped excise duties on them and made them expensive again) and supposedly cut down on crimes that fund habits.
Now, if you're a heroin supplier in Pakistan or Afghanistan, or a Columbian cocaine baron - where are you going to want to sell your drugs...cheaply in the UK, or for ten times the profit (and even mote profitably when cut down with crap) in every other country on the planet..?
If the UK announced that all substances were to be legalised, huge multinationals would set up there own supply of raw materials on a huge scale, driving out the need to do business with small producers/criminals. Why would they pay money to crooks when they can buy all the land and pay peanuts to locals themselves? Market forces would also keep prices competitive. People would be far more likely to pop down Tesco for a pound of Afghan hash than go to the hassle of buying it off some backstreet dealer. What would be the point? I'd imagine with the purchasing power of chains like Tesco, the criminals wouldn't even be able to compete.
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Possibly with cannabis, that can be grown just about anywhere.
That's not the case with cocaine and heroin, and I can't see the current owners of the land wanting to sell their cash cow to anyone, least of all some company that wants to screw them over. Their massive profits will come from every other country in the world: they won't care about supplying the UK, there'll be no money in it for them, thus the market forces of low supply pushing the price of the cocaine and herion that does get supplied in the UK up. The multinationals can't undercut when they haven't got any supplies to undercut with - and I can't see them setting up 'legal' production in many countries where the drugs are still illegal...
Plus the current producers' interpretation of a 'hostile takeover' usually involves people getting killed if they threaten their profit margin.
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Ecstacy, speed and cannabis can be produced anywhere. So prices on all the above would be subject to market forces and I would imagine competition would totally eliminate the illegal trade of these drugs in the UK.
Having had a look around t'net apparently Australia, India and Turkey are the major producers of opium for the pharmaceutical industry and I'd imagine a market as big as the UK, if it was to legalise drugs, would look to these countries to supply the raw materials. It also seems growing the plant in controlled conditions in the UK wouldn't be impossible, but would push up the price probably. Again, this would eliminate illegal trade in the UK as competition would ensure prices low enough to make buying from back street dealer pointless.
That leaves just cocaine. Not sure what deal is with the coca plant, but I'd be amazed if it couldn't be grown in a country free of mafia interference. The market to supply the UK would be so large the amount of producers fighting to supply the plant would be intense.
Again, competition would keep prices low enough to make the illegal trading of it in this country obsolete.
If for whatever reason prices were lower from an illegal dealer (unlikely), the guaranteed quality of the legal product would mean people would pay a premium for it anyway.
It's like alcohol. Maybe people could save a fraction of the price by buying moonshine /home brew from an unauthorised source, but why bother when you know what you are getting down at the local supermarket.
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Having had a look around t'net apparently Australia, India and Turkey are the major producers of opium for the pharmaceutical industry and I'd imagine a market as big as the UK, if it was to legalise drugs, would look to these countries to supply the raw materials.
'For pharmaceutical purposes' means the sale to controlled outlets. Selling to an uncontrolled outlet such as the British public, which would encourage smuggling to outside countries where the drug is still illegal means no company which intends to sell to the UK will be allowed to produce in those countries. Or any other country. And the same applies to cocaine.
And no legitimate company will grow the stuff anywhere illegally.
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It's like alcohol. Maybe people could save a fraction of the price by buying moonshine /home brew from an unauthorised source, but why bother when you know what you are getting down at the local supermarket.
Doesn't stop people buying cheap (but counterfeit) booze and fags right now, even though they don't know what's in it.
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Ecstacy, speed and cannabis can be produced anywhere. So prices on all the above would be subject to market forces and I would imagine competition would totally eliminate the illegal trade of these drugs in the UK.
But the illegal trade won't be paying income tax, corporation tax or VAT, (plus any excise duty that might get slapped on top) just like they're not right now. Why do you think people smuggle booze and fags right now even though there are legitimate companies supplying the stuff too?
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Piss in the ocean mate, most mugs pay the tax.
Why d'ya wanna spoil my drug fun? I don't wanna spoil your glass o wine (or mine for that matter). Just cos some f**kers die or worse (live and make everyone else wish they were dead)? Most drug users are just fine, just like most beer drinkers.
If the mentally-ill weren't hooked on drugs thay'd be alkies, or f**ked up on McDees or summat, gamblimg etc. Folk should just realise that some people have a problem, the way that problem shows itself is very often nothing to do with how it shows itself.
The real reason some drugs are illegal is because the corporate MAN doesn't want you to feel his dick up your arse as he shags you senseless.
(hehe I love em me)
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Even if drugs were legalised kids would find new and to them exotic ways to get high. Glue, solvents, plant food, horse pills, the list goes on and on before you even reel off the so called hard drugs.
With legal suppliers all you would really garuantee (sp) is that the supply is clean and uncut. An unscrupilous supplier can feed his plants with water laced with heroin making it just as dangerous as a resin with stronger drugs cut into it to catch the unwary pothead.
One of the saddest things for me is that many relapsed addicts who die do so because they think they can consume the same ammount after a break as they did at the height of their consumption and their bodies just cannot take it. just one more hit is usually the last. the shock to their bodies is just too much.
So much is quite rightly made of the evil of drugs, but we think nothing of the other , socially acceptable addiction...Booze... You would give a smackhead shooting up in the corner of the bar a wide berth, but how many think nothing of lining up the pints and chasers?
there is nothing glamerous about a drinker any more than there is a druggy.
Do you really believe that?
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And can you get me some please? :laugh:
Jeez the Daily Fail's got a lot to answer for. Please tell me you're having a laugh Debs, there is noone in the world who would waste their heroin on their plants. It would actually just kill them. And the plants.
Don't fret Debs, if you really do believe that all it shows is that you know absolutely nothing about drugs. No bad thing at all chuck.
Or that you have weird neighbours. Hold on, you're in Norfolk aren't you...
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I've spotted her problem. Suffolk is apparently so much nicer.
;)
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Well, hopefully Mark that is true, but it's what I've been told by the lad I work with who knows too much about too many drugs.. Talking about weed leaves against resin, I said at least with the leaves they can't be cut, he said they can put stuff in the water. Get them hooked like that, so as he has taken, sniffed, puffed just about everything going and sold quite a few too I believed him. Have to say, I'd be happy to be disproved on that one as I've always thought it horrifyingly sinister.
The big three round here are pot, kettmine and herion.. The awful thing is,when we were kids parents worried about us smoking, now I think parents are relieved if all they find is a packet of fags.
I honestly never thought I would never know one addict, sadly now tho I can name into double figures. mostly under 25, ahandful over thirty, three dead and one clean. When you have a daughter in law like mine you tend to try and find out as much as you can..
I don't think I've ever seen an article about drugs in the mail, they are to busy hounding people on incap and William and Catherine.. :)
Rob, you've been listening to Benaldo too much lol
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Alcohol causes far more deaths and misery than any drugs ever have or ever will. I'm always slightly bemused by folk who are anti-drugs but love a glass or two of wine. Why not call for a ban on alcohol?
Sounds a bit like this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCbDF-OPDX4&feature=related
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'For pharmaceutical purposes' means the sale to controlled outlets. Selling to an uncontrolled outlet such as the British public, which would encourage smuggling to outside countries where the drug is still illegal means no company which intends to sell to the UK will be allowed to produce in those countries. Or any other country. And the same applies to cocaine.
And no legitimate company will grow the stuff anywhere illegally.
Whatever the technicalities of how it would be administered/licensed/which country it came from, there is no way that a legal market for drugs in the UK wouldn't be able to find a supplier to provide the product. It would just be such a huge market. I'd imagine half of Africa/Asia/South America would wet their pants at the thought of such bounty and would make it happen. Plenty of territories around the globe which are under British control too. If it didn't for whatever reason, then domestic supply would take up the challenge anyway. No chance such a huge market would remain untapped; competition would be fierce.
As for income tax/VAT etc, the smugglers have to pay bribes, lose half of their shipments, and launder their profits. It would all level out. The sheer amount that legal producers will be able to supply would dwarf whatever criminals could provide in the black market would lead to it being cheaper as a result. People smuggle booze/fags now yes, but they are the same branded goods that consumers trust, not the raw material from an unknown source, and as VD says it's a drop in the ocean, that doesn't have comparison to the drugs issue, as these goods are legal and freely available in other countries.
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f**kin gapped toothed gypsy crack whore. Couldn't stand the hairy Kitson, wasted talent? My arse, she was f**kin shoit!!
Anyway back on topic.
She was a scruffy, hairy, gap toothed smelly bas**rd that couldn't hold a note when \"singing\" live.
5 Grammys says otherwise, fool.
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She didn't win Grammys for live performances.
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She didn't win Grammys for live performances.
Although she did win one which was awarded for \"quality female vocal performances in the pop music genre\".
The 5 Grammys comment was aimed more at the \"she was f**kin shoit!!\" comment, anyway.
[video size=100 width=480 height=360]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L9-AvjsB6g[/video]
Tremendous talent. People should show some respect.
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Well, hopefully Mark that is true, but it's what I've been told by the lad I work with who knows too much about too many drugs.. Talking about weed leaves against resin, I said at least with the leaves they can't be cut, he said they can put stuff in the water. Get them hooked like that, so as he has taken, sniffed, puffed just about everything going and sold quite a few too I believed him. Have to say, I'd be happy to be disproved on that one as I've always thought it horrifyingly sinister.
The big three round here are pot, kettmine and herion.. The awful thing is,when we were kids parents worried about us smoking, now I think parents are relieved if all they find is a packet of fags.
I honestly never thought I would never know one addict, sadly now tho I can name into double figures. mostly under 25, ahandful over thirty, three dead and one clean. When you have a daughter in law like mine you tend to try and find out as much as you can..
I don't think I've ever seen an article about drugs in the mail, they are to busy hounding people on incap and William and Catherine.. :)
Rob, you've been listening to Benaldo too much lol
Ah Debs, the lad you work with is pullin yer pisser chuck. Give im a slap and tell im he's made a few folk laugh. Then watch his face!
I've got kids and I don't want them to smoke, drink or take drugs of any kind. But I'm not living in lala land, the dangers of each are there for all to find out if they can be arsed. But I'll certainly be steering 'em well away from fags! The evidence kinda proves that they kill people. And yer don't even get high. What's the deal?
Jon - Nice vid, not seen that one, made me smile!
Chris - nice vid also, back on topic I guess, great song.
Edit agen, it just gets funnier. SHOCK HORROR MP's TAKE DRUGS! O MA GAWD CALL AN AMBULANCE!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14342674
no idea if that link will work. But it's funny as funny gets. Small glass of sherry my f**kin bacside.