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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: MrFrost on August 08, 2011, 06:39:36 pm
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Absolutely disgraceful scenes.
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Send the Armed Police out for the next few nights and give them licence to shoot out the kneecaps of anyone found looting, smashing up buildings / cars, terrorising hard working families / OAP's etc....it'll soon calm down.
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Disgraceful scenes, and disturbingly close - one lot about 2 minutes from where I live, and another about 2 minutes from where I work. But what are the parallels between London and Libya?
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Just the rioting. And I thought it sounded catchy.
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I was going to walk to the shops to get some pudding, but they've been boarded up. The harsh reality hits home!
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I see it is now spreading to other cities. Time for the army to move in?
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Supermarket sweep for the Mad Max generation.. :(
It must be absolutely terrifying living in those areas at the moment.. Forget the pudding and keep safe LJ.
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I thought it was a Sealed Knot thirtieth anniversary re-enactment of Thatcher's 'Cities In Flames' summer of '81...
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I see it is now spreading to other cities. Time for the army to move in?
Wot F*ck*ng army???
Londons burning hey ho Tories in power again!!!B)
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Just been watching BBC news at 8 looks like the 'MET' have lost it!!! its broad daylight and they try to take a junction with 7 men!!! sorry but you need 3 serials not one to take and hold a road junction providing you have secured the road behnd you.
I have got a sneaking suspicion that all of those bobbies on the street are thinking something along the lines of:
\"I put a foot wrong tonight and all the tospot 'do gooders'and hamshankers in the IPCC will have me strung up like 'Christ Crucified' let em get on with it I'm not putting my livelihood at risk.:headbang:
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Thats it now the little 'bounders' will be in REAL trouble now! the PM has had to cancel his holiday and is coming home to 'Take Charge' !!!:thumbsup:
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I can`t believe it, me and the Thin white duke in agreement, open up on the fkers.
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This is seriously worrying now, especially as it seems to be spreading to other parts of the country. Not to start a thread regarding race or anything like that, but is anyone surprised 95% of these protesters appear to be black or Asian? Some guy was on Sky earlier moaning about it was a result of non integration into our society.
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I'd say it has absolutely nothing to do with skin colour.
95% of these rioters (they not protesting, they're just looting and destroying) appear to be young and male. I'd find that far more relevant than the fact they are Black or Asian.
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I'd say it has absolutely nothing to do with skin colour.
95% of these rioters (they not protesting, they're just looting and destroying) appear to be young and male. I'd find that far more relevant than the fact they are Black or Asian.
If thats the case, why are the news interviewing Race Relation spokespeople? Or maybe they are simply trying to antagonise the situation.
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Knowing our media, probably trying to antagonise.
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Well Mark Duggan the guy the MET shot last week was black and clearly heavily involved in the Gun/ Knife/ gang culture in that part of London,So that probably explains the ethnic breakdown of the group involved.
Watching the trouble in Birmingham and there seem to be plenty of white Tosspots involved.!
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Knowing our media, probably trying to antagonise.
Although I made the 95% judgement from footage I have seen.
I just hope no one is killed, its a miracle no one has been.
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Its gonna be a long night!
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Whatever happens, it wont do much for race relations will it?
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We're dealing with two separate incidents here really.
Saturday in Tottenham was initially a peaceful protest that was demanding answers from the police in response to what happened to Mr Duggan.
Sunday and tonight has nothing to do with Tottenham and is purely mindless rioting from disenfranchised opportunistic groups who have no fear of the law and no respect for their communities.
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http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msid=207192798388318292131.0004aa01af6748773e8f7&msa=0&ll=51.558503,-0.055275&spn=0.114195,0.298691
Map of where the riots have been including the Birmingham and Leeds ones.
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http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msid=207192798388318292131.0004aa01af6748773e8f7&msa=0&ll=51.558503,-0.055275&spn=0.114195,0.298691
Map of where the riots have been including the Birmingham and Leeds ones.
That's nothing. Seen it all before. It'll be spreading in London now because the opportunists know the coppers are busy elsewhere at the moment...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_England_riots
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Someone shot in Croydon.
Guns being took to the street now?
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Nothing new in that unfortunately. If you remember it was a gun that started all the fuss in Tottenham last week.
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Time to deploy the Army with live rounds, sort the braindead t**ts out, they want to play with guns, let them play against men who are trained to kill!
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This sounds like it is spreading more by the minute. Very worrying. This will quickly spiral out of control. How long before joe public take matters into their own hands?
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This sounds like it is spreading more by the minute. Very worrying. This will quickly spiral out of control. How long before joe public take matters into their own hands?
The Turkish community in Dalston have!
http://twitpic.com/635ffl
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its got to be said but if this was football fans having a tear up the police
would go in heavy handed from the start.then get it all under controll asap.
because the looters in the main are of ethnic origin they police take a different
softer approach,this falls into the political corectness preachers laps.
the army need to be out and about on the streets of the smoke asap.
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Send the Armed Police out for the next few nights and give them licence to shoot out the kneecaps of anyone found looting, smashing up buildings / cars, terrorising hard working families / OAP's etc....it'll soon calm down.
Especially as we all know how the Met have a wonderful record of shooting the right person and not lying about it afterwards. ;)
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Makes you wonder if it will end up kicking off in Donny. Plenty of low lifes here looking for an excuse.
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This will only get worse and worse!! Not enough police on the street, not enough soldiers in the army and the Tories want to make major cuts in both of them!!
This has been brewing for a long time and I am afraid that unless drastic action is taken now, this will spread throughout the country and the police and the army have no powers in stopping them for the fear of being sued or sacked!! Especially if they were to hurt someone from an ethnic community!
The country has gone to the dogs and we have sat back as a country for a long time and let the money grabbing politicians do it. They have no sense of reality up in their ivory towers, this cannot simply be blamed on the tories, it is the Labour party who let immigration get out of control, introduced the Human Right Act and disempowered police to a stage where they are in fear of being persecuted for pushing over a member of the public.
I do fear for this once great country!!
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This will only get worse and worse!! Not enough police on the street, not enough soldiers in the army and the Tories want to make major cuts in both of them!!
This has been brewing for a long time and I am afraid that unless drastic action is taken now, this will spread throughout the country and the police and the army have no powers in stopping them for the fear of being sued or sacked!! Especially if they were to hurt someone from an ethnic community!
The country has gone to the dogs and we have sat back as a country for a long time and let the money grabbing politicians do it. They have no sense of reality up in their ivory towers, this cannot simply be blamed on the tories, it is the Labour party who let immigration get out of country, introduced the Human Right Act and disempowered police to a stage where they are in fear of being persecuted for pushing over a member of the public.
I do fear for this once great country!!
Seems the person shot in Croydon last night has died. Sounds like an innocent bystander as well.
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This will only get worse and worse!! Not enough police on the street, not enough soldiers in the army and the Tories want to make major cuts in both of them!!
This has been brewing for a long time and I am afraid that unless drastic action is taken now, this will spread throughout the country and the police and the army have no powers in stopping them for the fear of being sued or sacked!! Especially if they were to hurt someone from an ethnic community!
The country has gone to the dogs and we have sat back as a country for a long time and let the money grabbing politicians do it. They have no sense of reality up in their ivory towers, this cannot simply be blamed on the tories, it is the Labour party who let immigration get out of control, introduced the Human Right Act and disempowered police to a stage where they are in fear of being persecuted for pushing over a member of the public.
I do fear for this once great country!!
IMO more police isn't the answer, that just inflames the idiots more I feel. The answer is to make sure there is more deterrent and the ridiculous shortening of sentences these days is the biggest culprit, what's there to deter vandals?
These people get plenty from the state, plenty of opportunity, they need to look inward as to why they don't get anywhere at life, school is one such opportunity, I wonder how many of these take school seriously or even go? Not many I'd hazard a guess at. There's plenty of opportunity for youngsters in this country and plenty of ways still to improve, plenty just don't want that opportunity, don't be fooled that they do.
The British public will sort it out as it's beyond government control. The governments never will be able to stem so many vandals anywhere in the world, Libya, Egypt and Syria have proven what happens when governments become strict and that is exactly what Cameron will be trying to avoid as that is more dangerous.
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Corporal Punishment, birch the bas**rds! b*llocks to the do gooders, get the good for nothing parents sorted out as well!
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It's all good talk, but none of this will happen!! I imagine this may settle down after this week but emerge even worse in a few weeks or months time now that they know easy it is to disrupt this country and how little they will be punished for vandalising, stealing and attacking members of the public and police force!
There is no hope for this country unless drastic, drastic changes are made which the government will be too scared to do in case they upset the do-gooders and human rights activists!
Were fooked!!!
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It's absolutely heartbreaking to see innocent people's homes, businesses and lives destroyed by these thugs.
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Filo is right, bring back the cane and the rights of teachers to chastize unruly kids... As a child in the school system that had the cane still I can honestly say it didn't harm me..........................
BECAUSE I BLOODY WELL DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO EARN IT!
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It simply will not happen though!! As much as I and many think its right and think it should happen it simply won't because politicians are too scared of doing this and the backlash that would come from do-gooders!! Imagine a teacher in a school now a days with a cane! He would go to punish a kid and end up getting stabbed or shot!! This country is f**ked, plain and simple!!
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They have no sense of reality up in their ivory towers, this cannot simply be blamed on the tories, it is the Labour party who let immigration get out of control, introduced the Human Right Act and disempowered police to a stage where they are in fear of being persecuted for pushing over a member of the public.
I do fear for this once great country!!
Not wanting to go into an argument about immigration/racism (although is does seem that a lot of the VICTIMS of the riots are ethnic small business people (must be racism, right?)), but I fail to see how the Human Rights Act has precipitated any of this (has anybody here apart from me actually read and understood it?), and as for the police, they aren't being 'persecuted' for pushing someone over, but for LYING about it to the public and to various hearings. Let's give them guns and see what whoppers they'll come out with after the next De Menezes, eh?
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It simply will not happen though!! As much as I and many think its right and think it should happen it simply won't because politicians are too scared of doing this and the backlash that would come from do-gooders!! Imagine a teacher in a school now a days with a cane! He would go to punish a kid and end up getting stabbed or shot!! This country is f**ked, plain and simple!!
Corporal Punishment is against EU Law, nothing can be done about it by the UK in isolation.
And before the anti-EU 'lets pull out' tirade begins, it's the same Law in all the other EU countries...do they have the same problems as us? If not, corporal punishment ain't the solution is it?
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Don't be suprised if there is trouble in Leeds and Sheff tonight. Maybe even Donny over the next couple of days, there is a smaller town in Kent where it kicked off so no place is too small for rioting and lets face it Donny is full of f**king idiots.
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It simply will not happen though!! As much as I and many think its right and think it should happen it simply won't because politicians are too scared of doing this and the backlash that would come from do-gooders!! Imagine a teacher in a school now a days with a cane! He would go to punish a kid and end up getting stabbed or shot!! This country is f**ked, plain and simple!!
Corporal Punishment is against EU Law, nothing can be done about it by the UK in isolation.
And before the anti-EU 'lets pull out' tirade begins, it's the same Law in all the other EU countries...do they have the same problems as us? If not, corporal punishment ain't the solution is it?
I seem to remember riots in France recently.
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I seem to remember riots in France recently.
Were they about or by anyone in particular, or just looting sprees like ours?
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Aren't French police armed as well?
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This will only get worse and worse!! Not enough police on the street, not enough soldiers in the army and the Tories want to make major cuts in both of them!!
This has been brewing for a long time and I am afraid that unless drastic action is taken now, this will spread throughout the country and the police and the army have no powers in stopping them for the fear of being sued or sacked!! Especially if they were to hurt someone from an ethnic community!
The country has gone to the dogs and we have sat back as a country for a long time and let the money grabbing politicians do it. They have no sense of reality up in their ivory towers, this cannot simply be blamed on the tories, it is the Labour party who let immigration get out of control, introduced the Human Right Act and disempowered police to a stage where they are in fear of being persecuted for pushing over a member of the public.
I do fear for this once great country!!
It's worth remembering the spark that set this current blaze off. Even the most virulent of the hang em and flog em brigade in the papers are saying that there were some extremely dodgy circumstances around that police shooting.
As for corporal punishment, there are many countries where it is still used as a judicial punishment for a variety of offences. Iran, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Afghanistan to name but a few. But we don't want to import their culture do we?
And by the way, I am horrified and sickened by what has gone on over the last few nights. I do not in any way condone it. But nor do I think the solution is as simple as \"send em back\" or \"thrash em\". We have allowed a horrible problem to emerge for a variety of complex reasons and it will take a very long time and a lot of very unpopular decisions to set it right.
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Just a thought by the way.
How do you square Dave, Gideon and Boris giving lessons on responsible behaviour by feckless youths, damaging private property etc when the three of them were members of the Bullingdon?
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There s always been something about kids wearing tracksuit bottoms and a baseball cap that makes me think \"t**t\" & \"get a job\"
Mind i wouldnt employ him
i blame the parents
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There's only one solution. National Service for everyone under forty.
Signed,
Donnyjay (age 40 1/2).
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Saw on the BBC news , someone said that much was to do with these kids are poorly educated. to me it is a chicken ad egg situation.. Strong teachers have been hobbled over the years by the 'children are precious delecate little flowers ' brigade..If a teacher cannot control the class and god knows it isn't like goodbye Mr Chips any more, then they don't have a hope of educating. the unruly kids take over, less and less teaching time is spent on teaching, more and more on just trying to keep some semblance of order.
the government needs to untie the hands of the teachers, they do the most important job in the world I think, because a poor teacher, no matter how much a child wants to learn will teach nothing. We can all remember the one teacher who held his class in the palm of his hand, well, if you are my age and older any way. I feel so sorry for teachers today, no wonder so many turn their backs on their vocation.
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because a poor teacher, no matter how much a child wants to learn will teach nothing.
And a good teacher, no matter how brillaint his efforts, will teach nothing to a child who doesn't want to learn. And that is down to family environment and good parenting.
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So very true Glyn.. You can only look forward in horror as to the kind of children those rampaging around will produce in years to come. Because I cannot see any of them getting parent of the year at the moment , can you?
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So very true Glyn.. You can only look forward in horror as to the kind of children those rampaging around will produce in years to come. Because I cannot see any of them getting parent of the year at the moment , can you?
We're already seeing it. I'd be very surprised if their parents weren't exactly the same as these kids at their age. You only have to look at the specimens on Jeremy Kyle who seem to think nothing about popping another sprog out as if it was some sort of chav status symbol (or an occasional hazard of screwing around) instead of a person in its own right.
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Gadaffi must be having a little chuckle at this though. As its only next door will france send troops to rebuild this corrupt broken and lawless failed state ? Will cameron be sent into exile ?
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Nick Clegg in Correct Preciction Shock!!!
In an article in the Guardian just before the Election he said the following: \"Imagine if the Tories get into power on a tiny vote. They then turn around in the next week or two and say we're going to chuck up VAT to 20%, we're going to start cutting teachers, cutting police and the wage bill in the public sector. I think if you're not careful in that situation… you'd get Greek-style unrest.\"
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Going to down to London this afternoon for a midweek break. Part of that was to watch England v Holland. It will now be Shrek the musical. The Ogres, the lot of em.
It should be ok now though as I believe Gazza has gone back to Tottenham armed with a fishing rod and a bargain bucket to help resolve the situation.
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Nick Clegg in Correct Preciction Shock!!!
In an article in the Guardian just before the Election he said the following: \"Imagine if the Tories get into power on a tiny vote. They then turn around in the next week or two and say we're going to chuck up VAT to 20%, we're going to start cutting teachers, cutting police and the wage bill in the public sector. I think if you're not careful in that situation… you'd get Greek-style unrest.\"
It did n`t stop him offering his arse to Dave and Gideon though did it?
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Just heard something on the radio that had me in tears.
Father of one of the Pakistani kids who was knocked downa and killed in the riots in Birmingham last night talking about trying to resucitate his kid and having him die in his arms. Begging people to stop and not to let this spiral any further out of control.
It's all about respect and empathy.
Got me thinking about how we as a society have lost the concept of respect for others and society over the last few decades. What we're seeing at the moment is that absence of empathy, lack of care about consequences for others. Lack of respect for individuals and for society as a whole. Thinking that all that matters is how we behave, what we can get and what we can get away with.
What's going on at the moment is this horrifically on a large scale. But many, many of us have, on a smaller scale, lost that concept of respect and responsibility.
Anyone who's ever fiddled expenses at work.
Anyone who's worked cash in hand and fiddled their tax.
Anyone who's fiddled their benefits while working.
Anyone who'd ever bought something off a mate's mate, no questions asked.
Anyone who's chucked a chip wrapper over the hedge as they walk home.
Pissed in someone's back garden.
Wound the window down and given someone a gobful for a mistake in their driving.
It's all about respecting other people and society as a whole. We've got a f**king big job to do across the whole of society, including, I suspect, if we're honest, there's precious few of us who don't have something personal to start on.
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This will only get worse and worse!! Not enough police on the street, not enough soldiers in the army and the Tories want to make major cuts in both of them!!
This has been brewing for a long time and I am afraid that unless drastic action is taken now, this will spread throughout the country and the police and the army have no powers in stopping them for the fear of being sued or sacked!! Especially if they were to hurt someone from an ethnic community!
The country has gone to the dogs and we have sat back as a country for a long time and let the money grabbing politicians do it. They have no sense of reality up in their ivory towers, this cannot simply be blamed on the tories, it is the Labour party who let immigration get out of control, introduced the Human Right Act and disempowered police to a stage where they are in fear of being persecuted for pushing over a member of the public.
I do fear for this once great country!!
It's worth remembering the spark that set this current blaze off. Even the most virulent of the hang em and flog em brigade in the papers are saying that there were some extremely dodgy circumstances around that police shooting.
As for corporal punishment, there are many countries where it is still used as a judicial punishment for a variety of offences. Iran, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Afghanistan to name but a few. But we don't want to import their culture do we?
And by the way, I am horrified and sickened by what has gone on over the last few nights. I do not in any way condone it. But nor do I think the solution is as simple as \"send em back\" or \"thrash em\". We have allowed a horrible problem to emerge for a variety of complex reasons and it will take a very long time and a lot of very unpopular decisions to set it right.
It's not really that complex. It's the economy. The currency is being debased, jobs are being lost, services are being cut. The people at the bottom are feeling poorer and that makes them first frustrated and then angry. The whole police shooting thing is merely the excuse they'd been waiting for.
To hear politicians on Newsnight last night condemning looters made me laugh. They simply stole their 42\" flat screens from the taxpayer, hidden in a sea of bureaucratic paperwork.
Yes some are stupid kids who should know better. Yes many are opportunists, petty criminals and vicious thugs but beneath it all there's a reason this kind of thing always happens in the teeth of recession.
How well they have learned from their masters, greed is good, do whatever it takes to have what you want. Some people did it wearing a suit and using a computer. Others did it in a hoodie using a crow bar.
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\"There'll be riots\"
Published above a week ago:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/video/2011/jul/31/haringey-youth-club-closures-video?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3486
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Just heard something on the radio that had me in tears.
Father of one of the Pakistani kids who was knocked downa and killed in the riots in Birmingham last night talking about trying to resucitate his kid and having him die in his arms. Begging people to stop and not to let this spiral any further out of control.
It's all about respect and empathy.
Got me thinking about how we as a society have lost the concept of respect for others and society over the last few decades. What we're seeing at the moment is that absence of empathy, lack of care about consequences for others. Lack of respect for individuals and for society as a whole. Thinking that all that matters is how we behave, what we can get and what we can get away with.
What's going on at the moment is this horrifically on a large scale. But many, many of us have, on a smaller scale, lost that concept of respect and responsibility.
Anyone who's ever fiddled expenses at work.
Anyone who's worked cash in hand and fiddled their tax.
Anyone who's fiddled their benefits while working.
Anyone who'd ever bought something off a mate's mate, no questions asked.
Anyone who's chucked a chip wrapper over the hedge as they walk home.
Pissed in someone's back garden.
Wound the window down and given someone a gobful for a mistake in their driving.
It's all about respecting other people and society as a whole. We've got a f**king big job to do across the whole of society, including, I suspect, if we're honest, there's precious few of us who don't have something personal to start on.
I heard that too. Bloody heart wrenching and totally unneccessary
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Just seen the news report.. I don't think I have ever seen such dignity at a time where the natural instinct would be to want to scream for the innards of the car driver on a plate. It is totally heartbreaking.
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because a poor teacher, no matter how much a child wants to learn will teach nothing.
And a good teacher, no matter how brillaint his efforts, will teach nothing to a child who doesn't want to learn. And that is down to family environment and good parenting.
The first person in court in London today was a primary school teaching assistant! :ohmy:
The second a convicted drug dealer out on licence
both committed to crown court
the 3rd person was a 19 year old student, given a 1 day prison sentence by the magistrate, he was released because he had spent that day in custody! total madness!
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You know what made me mad about that report? The BBC one, the reporter standing there saying what a tragedy it was that youngsters now had criminal records for stealing two tee shirts. I coiuldn't believe what he was saying, a tragedy is three men being mowed down and killed for trying to defend their homes , seeing that poor father talking about his boy, my Stacies age who is now dead because he was a decent kid. Not some mindless little twerp losing his reputation.
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You know what made me mad about that report? The BBC one, the reporter standing there saying what a tragedy it was that youngsters now had criminal records for stealing two tee shirts. I coiuldn't believe what he was saying, a tragedy is three men being mowed down and killed for trying to defend their homes , seeing that poor father talking about his boy, my Stacies age who is now dead because he was a decent kid. Not some mindless little twerp losing his reputation.
That's the BBC for you! I'm sure that if the police decide to adopt a \"more robust\" approach they'll be the first to be highlighting stories of alleged police brutality.
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Nice to see the Manc Police handing out some swift justice. No doubt they will come under fire.
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Gaddafi's apparently said Cameron should stand down.. bit of a cheek? (http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/UK-riots-Cameron-must-go-says-Libya-20110810)
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Gaddafi's apparently said Cameron should stand down.. bit of a cheek? (http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/UK-riots-Cameron-must-go-says-Libya-20110810)
Not often I'll say this but I agree with the mad melty face Lionel Richie after a stroke tribute act
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Gaddafi's apparently said Cameron should stand down.. bit of a cheek? (http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/UK-riots-Cameron-must-go-says-Libya-20110810)
Not often I'll say this but I agree with the mad melty face Lionel Richie after a stroke tribute act
:laugh: :thumbsup:
As do I, but still, he's being a tad hypocritical, is he not?