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Title: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: FlintyDRFC on October 23, 2011, 02:26:47 pm
WTF :ohmy:
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: Standanista on October 23, 2011, 02:28:57 pm
:woot:

At Old Trafford as well.  That's cheered me up no end!  They might need a couple of spare 13 amp fuses for the home changing room hairdryer!
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: Chris on October 23, 2011, 02:30:49 pm
Excuse me for one moment...

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: VikingJames on October 23, 2011, 02:31:58 pm
Sir Alex looks a tad stupid now after his recent comments!
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 23, 2011, 02:59:28 pm
Let me get this straight.

A bunch of over-paid tossers funded by American barrow boys lost to a bunch of overpaid t**ts funded by Arabic despots.

Someone care to remind me why I should give a f**k?
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: Padge_DRFC on October 23, 2011, 03:00:31 pm
It would be tragic for football if man city win the league.
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: prince on October 23, 2011, 03:03:26 pm
No more tragic than when Chelsea were dominating under Mourinho.
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: RedJ on October 23, 2011, 03:10:13 pm
That's the price you get for resting Howard Webb.

Oh well, every cloud has a Silva lining.
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: dumbroofer on October 23, 2011, 03:23:39 pm
they have replaced tonights motd with six in the city ......sorry
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: Chris on October 23, 2011, 03:28:12 pm
Quote from: \"BillyStubbsTears\" post=193646
Let me get this straight.

A bunch of over-paid tossers funded by American barrow boys lost to a bunch of overpaid t**ts funded by Arabic despots.

Someone care to remind me why I should give a f**k?


I don't think anyone cares if you don't give a shit.
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: Jonathan on October 23, 2011, 04:22:52 pm
I think Manchester United were missing a few Roy Keane types.
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: benaldo on October 23, 2011, 04:53:04 pm
I think City will walk this season. It'll be good for football.

Just shows you what some investment can do doesn't it....
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: hoolahoop on October 23, 2011, 05:19:14 pm
Quote from: \"BillyStubbsTears\" post=193646
Let me get this straight.

A bunch of over-paid tossers funded by American barrow boys lost to a bunch of overpaid t**ts funded by Arabic despots.

Someone care to remind me why I should give a f**k?


Just thinking the same mesen , wtf has this got to do with us. :headbang:
All of a sudden one evil 'worse' than the other suddenly becomes the better of two evils. This wasn't Crawley Town or some such team that put 6 past a big boy but an even BIGGER boy that has sent this game into more and more pecuniary mania ffs.
Do some of you realise to what ridiculous ends BOTH these clubs go to 'kill' the game we love. :angry:
Sniff a few ex Weeds supporters here. ;)
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: hoolahoop on October 23, 2011, 05:22:03 pm
Quote from: \"benaldo\" post=193682
I think City will walk this season. It'll be good for football.

Just shows you what some investment can do doesn't it....


Are you serious, wages get hiked up through the roof, player power is encouraged and this is good for football. :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: Donnywolf on October 23, 2011, 05:23:32 pm
Quote from: \"Padge_DRFC\" post=193647
It would be tragic for football if man city win the league.



.... have Man U NEVER bought the Title ?

I hope Man City win the Title for as many years as it takes Liverpool to \"resurge\" whereupon they then win a 20th Title and a 6th Champions League
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: Donnywolf on October 23, 2011, 05:25:09 pm
Quote from: \"dumbroofer\" post=193656
they have replaced tonights motd with six in the city ......sorry


dont be sorry ...made me laugh
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: Donnywolf on October 23, 2011, 05:25:42 pm
Quote from: \"Chris\" post=193660
Quote from: \"BillyStubbsTears\" post=193646
Let me get this straight.

A bunch of over-paid tossers funded by American barrow boys lost to a bunch of overpaid t**ts funded by Arabic despots.

Someone care to remind me why I should give a f**k?


I don't think anyone cares if you don't give a shit.



pml
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: Donnywolf on October 23, 2011, 05:29:26 pm
Quote from: \"hoolahoop\" post=193688
Quote from: \"BillyStubbsTears\" post=193646
Let me get this straight.

A bunch of over-paid tossers funded by American barrow boys lost to a bunch of overpaid t**ts funded by Arabic despots.

Someone care to remind me why I should give a f**k?


Just thinking the same mesen , wtf has this got to do with us. :headbang:
All of a sudden one evil 'worse' than the other suddenly becomes the better of two evils. This wasn't Crawley Town or some such team that put 6 past a big boy but an even BIGGER boy that has sent this game into more and more pecuniary mania ffs.
Do some of you realise to what ridiculous ends BOTH these clubs go to 'kill' the game we love. :angry:
Sniff a few ex Weeds supporters here. ;)



...its in the wrong section probably but just think of all those faux Man U fans around the world and their pain tonight being beaten by one of their deadliest enemies

Hope they took that effin flag down

Hope Purple faces bags under his eyes dont burst or there could be flooding in Bury
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: graingrover on October 23, 2011, 05:33:02 pm
Yes the NEW face of English Football for all to admire !Well good luck to all of yer !
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: graingrover on October 23, 2011, 05:37:50 pm
At this juncture I leave the forum for good cos I realise my values are so long gone . Goodbye everybody!I used to enjoy our Conference days but when an anti Man Un thread v Man City wins the day! I realise my values are well spent and dead !
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: hoolahoop on October 23, 2011, 05:41:58 pm
Quote from: \"DONNYWOLF\" post=193693
Quote from: \"hoolahoop\" post=193688
Quote from: \"BillyStubbsTears\" post=193646
Let me get this straight.

A bunch of over-paid tossers funded by American barrow boys lost to a bunch of overpaid t**ts funded by Arabic despots.

Someone care to remind me why I should give a f**k?


Just thinking the same mesen , wtf has this got to do with us. :headbang:
All of a sudden one evil 'worse' than the other suddenly becomes the better of two evils. This wasn't Crawley Town or some such team that put 6 past a big boy but an even BIGGER boy that has sent this game into more and more pecuniary mania ffs.
Do some of you realise to what ridiculous ends BOTH these clubs go to 'kill' the game we love. :angry:
Sniff a few ex Weeds supporters here. ;)



...its in the wrong section probably but just think of all those faux Man U fans around the world and their pain tonight being beaten by one of their deadliest enemies

Hope they took that effin flag down

Hope Purple faces bags under his eyes dont burst or there could be flooding in Bury


Come on fella all the big clubs have 'faux' fans.........we have a town full of them ffs. :laugh:
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: Dimples-D on October 23, 2011, 05:43:06 pm
My grandad was from Manchester and all his family are City fans. So for them, and for me cos I hate Man Utd.. Get f*ckin' in... 6-1 at home...:laugh: :woohoo:
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: hoolahoop on October 23, 2011, 05:48:54 pm
Quote from: \"Dimples-D\" post=193699
My grandad was from Manchester and all his family are City fans. So for them, and for me cos I hate Man Utd.. Get f*ckin' in... 6-1 at home...:laugh: :woohoo:


So are mine but that doesn't mean to say I enjoy the buying of titles by ANY club. Please expand on the reasons why you HATE Man Utd., it's a strong word Dimples were one of their romper suits forced on you a few years ago ? :)
:rtid:
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 23, 2011, 05:50:20 pm
Quote from: \"Chris\" post=193660
Quote from: \"BillyStubbsTears\" post=193646
Let me get this straight.

A bunch of over-paid tossers funded by American barrow boys lost to a bunch of overpaid t**ts funded by Arabic despots.

Someone care to remind me why I should give a f**k?


I don't think anyone cares if you don't give a shit.


Ahh, the pleasures of the Internet Age. How DID I cope before technology gave me the opportunity to experience the acerbic wit of a barely pubescent keyboard warrior?
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: Padge_DRFC on October 23, 2011, 06:02:03 pm
It would be tragic for football if man city win the league.


.... have Man U NEVER bought the Title ?

I hope Man City win the Title for as many years as it takes Liverpool to \"resurge\" whereupon they then win a 20th Title and a 6th Champions League


Thing is Man Utd get 77,000 crowds at home and have built a fan base all over the world bigger than any other club. Hence make their own money. However Manchester City have some oil rich arab throwing money at them. Before they came, City had 20,000 empty seats in their council house and could only sell a game out when Man Utd filled the ground for them.

In the 90's did Man Utd buy the league? Did they have to put in a transfer bid to get players from their own youth team?

Also give it a year or so half of Doncaster will be wearing City shirts.

People hate Man Utd due to jealousy of success and would love their team to be like Man Utd's.
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: Dimples-D on October 23, 2011, 06:02:38 pm
Quote from: \"hoolahoop\" post=193700
Quote from: \"Dimples-D\" post=193699
My grandad was from Manchester and all his family are City fans. So for them, and for me cos I hate Man Utd.. Get f*ckin' in... 6-1 at home...:laugh: :woohoo:


So are mine but that doesn't mean to say I enjoy the buying of titles by ANY club. Please expand on the reasons why you HATE Man Utd., it's a strong word Dimples were one of their romper suits forced on you a few years ago ? :)
:rtid:


No I wont explain why I 'hate' Man Utd it doesn't need to be explained. Everyone who isn't a fan of theirs knows why..
But you are right about hate being a strong word... I don't 'hate' any football club but it is quicker than typing I dislike them more than any other club and is just a word at the end of the day.. So no I wont explain why I 'dislike' them more than any other club. Mind yer own business.

You explain to me why you are so bothered about people hating them. Why do you need anyone to explain?  What does it matter to you mate?
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: Dimples-D on October 23, 2011, 06:04:36 pm
F*ckin hell nowt like a Man Utd bashing thread to smoke out the closet mancs on here..:P :laugh:
6-1 at home.. at home!! six --- one...
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: Padge_DRFC on October 23, 2011, 06:12:50 pm
I know 1995 - 2011

Ben Muirhead, Gary Woods, Mark Wilson, Reece Brown and Quinton Fortune have been my top 5 favourite players for Rovers.
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: hoolahoop on October 23, 2011, 06:38:52 pm
Quote from: \"Dimples-D\" post=193704
Quote from: \"hoolahoop\" post=193700
Quote from: \"Dimples-D\" post=193699
My grandad was from Manchester and all his family are City fans. So for them, and for me cos I hate Man Utd.. Get f*ckin' in... 6-1 at home...:laugh: :woohoo:


So are mine but that doesn't mean to say I enjoy the buying of titles by ANY club. Please expand on the reasons why you HATE Man Utd., it's a strong word Dimples were one of their romper suits forced on you a few years ago ? :)
:rtid:


No I wont explain why I 'hate' Man Utd it doesn't need to be explained. Everyone who isn't a fan of theirs knows why..
But you are right about hate being a strong word... I don't 'hate' any football club but it is quicker than typing I dislike them more than any other club and is just a word at the end of the day.. So no I wont explain why I 'dislike' them more than any other club. Mind yer own business.

You explain to me why you are so bothered about people hating them. Why do you need anyone to explain?  What does it matter to you mate?


It also 'flushes out' the daft brigade who love to hate a football club for no real reason, ok let's choose Manure it's fashionable they play shite footy , they cheat or some other rationale usually masking jealousy.
Before that most 'hated' Leeds and Liverpool again because they were successful, prior to that Arsenal or Tottenham yes and you've guessed it Man City or Villa..........grow up lad.

Next year and the over the following years we will all come to 'hate' the all conquering Man City because they will win everything and then the next club it was always thus.
Cyclical I know but daft all the same, as for me I'm having a beer tonight to toast a magnificent City victory. :thumbsup:

Now I want to talk about proper teams like ours bye.
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: mushRTID on October 23, 2011, 06:40:24 pm
Well i certainly enjoyed it.
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: Thinwhiteduke on October 23, 2011, 07:10:30 pm
The reason I hate Man Utd?

That Jock Ferguson at the helm - simple as that.
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: donnygreenjeans on October 23, 2011, 07:23:41 pm
Quote from: \"Thinwhiteduke\" post=193719
The reason I hate Man Utd?

That Jock Ferguson at the helm - simple as that.


100% agreed, the only time i like to hear his interviews is when they get beat.
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: Chris on October 23, 2011, 07:31:52 pm
Quote from: \"BillyStubbsTears\" post=193701
Quote from: \"Chris\" post=193660
Quote from: \"BillyStubbsTears\" post=193646
Let me get this straight.

A bunch of over-paid tossers funded by American barrow boys lost to a bunch of overpaid t**ts funded by Arabic despots.

Someone care to remind me why I should give a f**k?


I don't think anyone cares if you don't give a shit.


Ahh, the pleasures of the Internet Age. How DID I cope before technology gave me the opportunity to experience the acerbic wit of a barely pubescent keyboard warrior?


No idea, maybe you could tell us next time people want a conversation about a game you happen not to care about.
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: ruby12345 on October 23, 2011, 07:54:43 pm
30m ferdinand 30m rooney 20m jones 12m nani 18m de gea lose against a team who are buying the league.oh the irony
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: Chris Black come back on October 23, 2011, 08:01:53 pm
Quote from: \"donnygreenjeans\" post=193721
Quote from: \"Thinwhiteduke\" post=193719
The reason I hate Man Utd?

That Jock Ferguson at the helm - simple as that.


100% agreed, the only time i like to hear his interviews is when they get beat.


Quite like Ferguson. Very similar to Wenger. Has built club entirely in his own image, yes loads splashed out on foreign players but over years loads of British and more importantly for them Manchester born players: Scholes, Butt, Giggs (check the history, almost), Wes Brown, Welbeck, Neville G, Neville P. You will never see Chelsea do similar. Also you've got to love his mafia style media management. Who else could settle a grudge over a perceived slight by the BBC by not speaking to them for best part of a decade!
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 23, 2011, 08:05:39 pm
Quote from: \"Chris\" post=193723
Quote from: \"BillyStubbsTears\" post=193701
Quote from: \"Chris\" post=193660
Quote from: \"BillyStubbsTears\" post=193646
Let me get this straight.

A bunch of over-paid tossers funded by American barrow boys lost to a bunch of overpaid t**ts funded by Arabic despots.

Someone care to remind me why I should give a f**k?


I don't think anyone cares if you don't give a shit.


Ahh, the pleasures of the Internet Age. How DID I cope before technology gave me the opportunity to experience the acerbic wit of a barely pubescent keyboard warrior?


No idea, maybe you could tell us next time people want a conversation about a game you happen not to care about.


Ahh, NOW I get it. Those posts before my first one were a conversation? Please accept the apologies of a confused old man.

In future I'll stick to my misty-eyed reminiscing about the days when football at the highest level wasn't just decided by whichever club had the richest billionaire in charge. You young uns clearly love it as it currently is, and think that it matters, so good luck to you.
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: RedJ on October 23, 2011, 08:13:32 pm
Something I thought about the other day was this: Manchester United only seemed to get really, really successful when Sky and the money men came into the game at the highest level. Up until then, there seemed to be real competition to me - anyone could get there, and anyone could beat anyone. These days, as Billy says, it's about the money. I wonder if it wasn't all entirely coincidental..
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: ruby12345 on October 23, 2011, 08:23:00 pm
united have many times broken the transfer record in the 80s and 90s on the likes of ince pallister etc. the current utd squad contains 30m players such as rooney ferdinand berbatov. and numerous 10-20m signing like nani de gea valencia jones smalling. as soon as city dare to look remotley like challenging them they are buying the league.
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: Chris Black come back on October 23, 2011, 08:26:36 pm
Quote from: \"ruby12345\" post=193740
united have many times broken the transfer record in the 80s and 90s on the likes of ince pallister etc. the current utd squad contains 30m players such as rooney ferdinand berbatov. and numerous 10-20m signing like nani de gea valencia jones smalling. as soon as city dare to look remotley like challenging them they are buying the league.


I hold no candle for any other club than Rovers but what you can say about United is that Ferguson has concentrated on developing British talent (particularly local talent) alongside foreign talent. Chelsea and Man City operate at the whim of foreign moneymen with no patience for building a club ethos. Just buying up the best set of mercenaries their deep pockets can afford to fund. A dreadful way to run a club...
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: ruby12345 on October 23, 2011, 08:30:55 pm
joe hart micah richards joleyn lescott wayne bridge gareth barry adam johnson all english all play for city so a mixture of english foreign
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: Chris Black come back on October 23, 2011, 08:37:57 pm
Quote from: \"ruby12345\" post=193742
joe hart micah richards joleyn lescott wayne bridge gareth barry adam johnson all english all play for city so a mixture of english foreign


My point was that Ferguson has developed a huge amount of young talent himself. You have listed a load of players of which to my knowledge only Richards came through the City youth ranks. The rest were bought in at mammoth cost. Ferguson spends huge amounts of money on British and foreign talent, but crucially devotes time and resources to bringing through youth himself. Neither Chelsea or City do this.
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: vaya on October 23, 2011, 08:39:34 pm
Quote from: \"Chris_Black_come_back\" post=193741
Quote from: \"ruby12345\" post=193740
united have many times broken the transfer record in the 80s and 90s on the likes of ince pallister etc. the current utd squad contains 30m players such as rooney ferdinand berbatov. and numerous 10-20m signing like nani de gea valencia jones smalling. as soon as city dare to look remotley like challenging them they are buying the league.


I hold no candle for any other club than Rovers but what you can say about United is that Ferguson has concentrated on developing British talent (particularly local talent) alongside foreign talent. Chelsea and Man City operate at the whim of foreign moneymen with no patience for building a club ethos. Just buying up the best set of mercenaries their deep pockets can afford to fund. A dreadful way to run a club...


The 'developing British/local talent' thing is something that Ferguson tends to trot out now and then. In reality though:

Rooney - Everton
Ferdinand - West Ham
Smalling - Fulham
Young - Villa
Hernandez - Guadalajara
Jones - Blackburn
Evra - Monaco
etc etc

There's no diffeence between United or City, or most Premiership clubs - money talks.
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: ruby12345 on October 23, 2011, 08:42:18 pm
yet his current squad exists of english players bought for over inflated prices i.e rooney smalling jones ferdinand and others such as valencia bought from teams like wigan who stood 0 chance of saying no to thier millions
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 23, 2011, 08:42:25 pm
Quote from: \"RedJ\" post=193739
Something I thought about the other day was this: Manchester United only seemed to get really, really successful when Sky and the money men came into the game at the highest level. Up until then, there seemed to be real competition to me - anyone could get there, and anyone could beat anyone. These days, as Billy says, it's about the money. I wonder if it wasn't all entirely coincidental..


No it wasn't co-incidental.

In the 20 years up to the Sky/Premiership  revolution, the following clubs finsihed in the top 3 of the old Div 1

Leeds
Man U
Sheff Weds
Arsenal
Liverpool
Crystal Palace
Villa
Spurs
Forest
Everton
West Ham
Southampton
Watford
Ipswich
West Brom
Man City
QPR
Derby

In the first 5 years of the Premier League, as the money was still not fully concentrated in the hands of the big boys, the following finished in the top 3:

Man Utd
Norwich
Villa
Blackburn
Newcastle
Forest
Liverpool
Arsenal

In the last 14 years, as the money and power has become totally concentrated, the following have finished in the top 3:
Arsenal
Man U
Liverpool
Chelsea
Leeds
Newcastle
Man City

In the last 8 years, 24 top three places have been up for grabs. These have been filled by Man U (8 times), Chelsea (8 times) Arsenal (4 times), Liverpool (3 times) and Man City (once).

The idea of genuine competition has been strangled out of the game, and replaced with a packaged-up business where mega-investment pretty much guarantees a place at the very top, and a place at the very top is impossible without mega-investment.

What does that have to do with sport?

And we end up in a situation where bairns are celebrating as some form of success, the fact that an \"underdog\" has broken into that top group after spending over half a billion quid on its squad.

It's sheer, utter, unadulterated, pointless shite, for people who have no f**king idea what the heart and soul of football are supposed to be. It's safe, predictable packaged up \"entertainment\" for the X-Factor generation.
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: Thinwhiteduke on October 23, 2011, 08:44:21 pm
Quote from: \"Chris_Black_come_back\" post=193734


Manchester born players: Scholes, Butt, Giggs (check the history, almost), Wes Brown, Welbeck, Neville G, Neville P.
.

Of which you should really be crediting Brian Kidd for the majority of those - not the bitter drunken Scot.

As for Fergusons problem with the BBC - that was due to the beeb exposing dodgy dealings involving his son
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: ruby12345 on October 23, 2011, 08:44:23 pm
ha ha beat me too it vaya. its double standards of course. utd spend more money than anyone.now its citys turn they trot out the facts that they produced beckham neville years ago
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: ruby12345 on October 23, 2011, 08:50:36 pm
and before city had any money they produced thier own such as paul lake gary flitcroft mike sheron joey barton shawn wright phillips. not as good as the man utd crop but talented in thier own right.
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: Chris Black come back on October 23, 2011, 09:01:42 pm
Quote from: \"ruby12345\" post=193751
ha ha beat me too it vaya. its double standards of course. utd spend more money than anyone.now its citys turn they trot out the facts that they produced beckham neville years ago


Look, so everyone is absolutely clear, I don't give a toss for any of them. But in trying to find some molecule of soul amongst the top 4 then Ferguson has to be admired as he has yes he has SPENT HUGE AMOUNTS ON BRITISH AND FOREIGN TALENT but has also built up teams full of local lads which I will list again for impact: Scholes, Butt, Gary Neville, Phil Neville, Wes Brown, Ryan Giggs, Danny Welbeck. These are not just British players but Manchester players. Not bad going. And again, how many players have Chelsea and Man City brought through the youth ranks? I heard today that the last British player to come through Chelsea youth ranks was John Terry. If that is true, then that is a total disgrace given all the money they have spent.
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: MrFrost on October 23, 2011, 09:02:03 pm
Quote from: \"BillyStubbsTears\" post=193749
Quote from: \"RedJ\" post=193739
Something I thought about the other day was this: Manchester United only seemed to get really, really successful when Sky and the money men came into the game at the highest level. Up until then, there seemed to be real competition to me - anyone could get there, and anyone could beat anyone. These days, as Billy says, it's about the money. I wonder if it wasn't all entirely coincidental..


No it wasn't co-incidental.

In the 20 years up to the Sky/Premiership  revolution, the following clubs finsihed in the top 3 of the old Div 1

Leeds
Man U
Sheff Weds
Arsenal
Liverpool
Crystal Palace
Liverpool
Villa
Spurs
Forest
Everton
West Ham
Southampton
Watford
Ipswich
West Brom
Man City
QPR
Derby

In the first 5 years of the Premier League, as the money was still not fully concentrated in the hands of the big boys, the following have finished in the top 3:

Man Utd
Norwich
Villa
Blackburn
Newcastle
Forest
Liverpool
Arsenal

In the last 14 years, as the money and power has become totally concentrated, the following have finished in the top 3:
Arsenal
Man U
Liverpool
Chelsea
Leeds
Newcastle
Man City

In the last 8 years, 24 top three places have been up for grabs. These have been filled by Man U (8 times), Chelsea (8 times) Arsenal (4 times), Liverpool (3 times) and Man City (once).

The idea of genuine competition has been strangled out of the game, and replaced with a packaged-up business where mega-investment pretty much guarantees a place at the very top, and a place at the very top is impossible without mega-investment.

What does that have to do with sport?

And we end up in a situation where bairns are celebrating as some form of success, the fact that an \"underdog\" has broken into that top group after spending over half a billion quid on its squad.

It's sheer, utter, unadulterated, pointless shite, for people who have no f**king idea what the heart and soul of football are supposed to be. It's safe, predictable packaged up \"entertainment\" for the X-Factor generation.


Not a lot. And neither do McKay's plans for the next two years.
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: ruby12345 on October 23, 2011, 09:03:58 pm
i think you have a secret and its a red manchester one
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: Chris Black come back on October 23, 2011, 09:05:53 pm
Quote from: \"ruby12345\" post=193752
and before city had any money they produced thier own such as paul lake gary flitcroft mike sheron joey barton shawn wright phillips. not as good as the man utd crop but talented in thier own right.


This is my point! When huge amounts of money are thrown in to the mix then any idea of developing talent is cast aside in favour of short term marquee signings.

Paul Lake was a fantastic player.
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: Chris Black come back on October 23, 2011, 09:08:17 pm
Quote from: \"ruby12345\" post=193756
i think you have a secret and its a red manchester one


Hahahaha. Couldn't be further from the truth. Never watched a single other team than Rovers. Don't have Sky tv and don't watch premier league football. Was thinking of quoting Liverpool as an example but could only get as far as Gerrard, Carragher and the young laddy playing full back for them now. Fair amount of north Welsh talent over recent years but not scouse proper.
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: Padge_DRFC on October 23, 2011, 09:16:22 pm
Difference is Manchester United have paid for these players. A group of Arabs have bought City's team and a Russian bought Chelseas.
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: Thinwhiteduke on October 23, 2011, 09:19:31 pm
Whatever.

All I know is its great fun watching the crowd of red shirted gormless mongs staring in disbelief on MOTD2.

Almost as much fun as watching handfuls of Man Utd shirted supporters sat outside a pub in Bentley earlier with their heads in the hands.
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: vaya on October 23, 2011, 09:37:34 pm
Quote from: \"Padge_DRFC\" post=193760
Difference is Manchester United have paid for these players. A group of Arabs have bought City's team and a Russian bought Chelseas.


Young's transfer fee was paid for by public subscriptions from the sreets of Salford?

Seems a little unlikely.
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: Spike on October 23, 2011, 10:28:33 pm
Come on Willy McKay sell on some of our short term shit to help them out and get us a few quid in the process.
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: ruby12345 on October 23, 2011, 10:43:46 pm
robbie fowler steve mcmanaman david thompson dominic matteo stephen wright martin kelly jay spearing john flanagan adam hammil jack robinson mike marsh. all played premiership football via liverpools academy and michael owen fairly local in chester
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: ruby12345 on October 23, 2011, 10:45:27 pm
and an american billionaire bought utds players so whats your point? russian arab american whats the difference?
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: hoolahoop on October 23, 2011, 10:46:34 pm
Quote from: \"ruby12345\" post=193751
ha ha beat me too it vaya. its double standards of course. utd spend more money than anyone.now its citys turn they trot out the facts that they produced beckham neville years ago


I suggest you check out your facts fella, City have spent nett to sales more in the last 3 years than Man U have spent in the last 10 years.
However you can also add to that list Liverpool and Chelsea who have also spent more over the last 10 years. You have probably forgotten the nurturing and sales of the likes of Ronaldo for example.
I would supply the link but i can't be arsed to correct an obviously biased set of assumptions.
I'm with BST on this one who has more than thrown your free-spending argument out of the window...........City have a fine team, were superb today but don't let facts get in the way of your ridiculous assertios eh. poor little City eh ?
He is right ALL these teams and the way they split the pot has more than destroyed our national game and has sent probably 60-70 clubs into near-penury whilst they shop abroad whilst largely ignoring the players that could have been bought from teams outside the Prem.
thus providing income to the like's of us. :thumbdown:
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: ruby12345 on October 23, 2011, 10:50:35 pm
utd had their time buying the best and winning then came chelsea now its citys turn.all 3 spent a shed load of cash to get that success meanwhile big football clubs like villa newcastle simply cant compete. i remember a time when qpr and watford and villa norwich had a more than reasnable chance of winning the league. also forest able to compete in domestic and european competition.sadly those days will never be seen again.
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: ruby12345 on October 23, 2011, 10:52:14 pm
hoolahoop you have previous form of defending utd i seem to remember.apologies if im wrong.
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: ruby12345 on October 23, 2011, 10:55:31 pm
and after all liverpools spending has been recouped also with the sales of owen alonso mascherano torres benayoun meireles rieira. not to sure with chelsea to be honest
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: hoolahoop on October 23, 2011, 10:56:42 pm
Btw here's where the money came from.........

 Rnd Attn Rnd Attn Cup Rnd Attn Attn
2011 Champion 1 1 75.109 SF 169.770 QF 44.356 CL Final 488.704 2.129.907
2010 2 1 2 74.864 3 37.263 Winners 183.070 CL QF 371.074 2.013.831
2009 Champion 1 1 75.304 SF 125.911 Winners 202.615 CL Final 484.350 2.243.652
2008 Champion 1 1 75.691 QF 130.231 3 37.028 CL Champion 484.189 2.089.584
2007 Champion 1 1 75.826 Final 236.187 4 10.789 CL SF 444.484 2.132.154
2006 2 1 2 68.765 4 66.064 Winners 151.596 CL R1 245.910 1.770.098
2005 3 1 3 67.748 Final 177.313 SF 130.049 CL R2 328.435 1.923.016
2004 3 1 3 67.641 Winners 146.929 4 31.414 CL R2 267.397 1.730.915
2003 Champion 1 1 67.602 5 100.806 Final 163.924 CL QF 463.821 2.012.985
2002 3 1 3 67.558 4 28.034 3 15.347 CL QF 531.009 1.857.992
2001 Champion 1 1 67.490 4 43.104 4 33.207 CL QF 460.565 1.819.184
2000 Champion 1 1 58.014     3 16.908 CL QF 394.484 1.513.655
1999 Champion 1 1 55.188 Winners 198.912 QF 62.717 CL Champion 366.108 1.676.317
1998 2 1 2 55.164 5 81.408 3 11.087 CL QF 213.834 1.354.454
1997 Champion 1 1 55.081 4 65.719 4 34.867 CL QF 265.678 1.412.811
1996 Champion 1 1 41.683 Winners 141.644 2 29.049 EC3 R1 29.274 991.937
1995 2 1 2 43.683 Final 143.477 3 48.704 CL R1 112.909 1.222.438
1994 Champion 1 1 44.244 Winners 141.560 Final 195.366 CL R2 75.177 1.341.236
1993 Champion 1 1 35.132 5 45.714 3 43.387 EC3 R1 19.998 846.876
1992 2 1 2 45.389 4 42.369 Winners 163.704 EC2 R2 74.677 1.233.929
1991 6 1 6 43.242 5 50.709 Final 167.661 EC2 Winners 165.027 1.204.986
1990 13 1 13 39.331 Winners 171.064 3 49.578       967.937
1989 11 1 11 36.474 QF 136.221 3 26.029       855.265
1988 2 1 2 39.152 5   QF          
1987 11 1 11 40.594 4   3          
1986 4 1 4 46.321 5   4          
1985 4 1 4 42.881 Winners   3   EC3 QF    
1984 4 1 4 42.534 3   4   EC2 SF    
1983 3 1 3 41.695 Winners   Final   EC3 R1    
1982 3 1 3 44.571 3   2          
1981 8 1 8 45.071 4   2   EC3 R1    
1980 2 1 2 51.608 3   3          
1979 9 1 9 46.430 Final   3          
1978 10 1 10 51.860 4   2   EC2 R2    
1977 6 1 6 53.710 Winners   QF   EC3 R2    
1976 3 1 3 54.750 Final   4          
1975 1 2 23 48.389 3   SF          
1974 21 1 21 42.712 4   2          
1973 18 1 18 48.623 3   3          
1972 8 1 8 45.999 4   4          
1971 8 1 8 43.945 3   SF          
1970 8 1 8 49.862 SF   SF          
1969 11 1 11 51.169 QF       EC1 SF    
1968 2 1 2 57.552 3       EC1 Champion    
1967 Champion 1 1 53.854 4   2          
1966 4 1 4 38.769 SF       EC1 SF    
1965 Champion 1 1 46.521 SF       EC3 SF    
1964 2 1 2 44.125 SF       EC2 QF    
1963 19 1 19 40.329 Winners              
1962 15 1 15 33.491 SF              
1961 7 1 7 38.888 4   2          
1960 7 1 7 47.288 5              
1959 2 1 2 53.258 3              
1958 9 1 9 46.073 Final       EC1 SF    
1957 Champion 1 1 45.481 Final       EC1 SF    
1956 Champion 1 1 39.254 3              
1955 5 1 5 36.911 4              
1954 4 1 4 36.887 3              
1953 8 1 8 37.571 5              
1952 Champion 1 1 42.916 3              
1951 2 1 2 39.008 QF              
1950 4 1 4 43.282 QF              
1949 2 1 2 48.808 SF              
1948 2 1 2 54.890 Winners              
1947 2 1 2 43.945 4  

Check out the attendances ....long before Munich and the Sky monies
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: hoolahoop on October 23, 2011, 10:58:06 pm
Quote from: \"ruby12345\" post=193790
and after all liverpools spending has been recouped also with the sales of owen alonso mascherano torres benayoun meireles rieira. not to sure with chelsea to be honest


Believe me Liverpool have spent more......
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: ruby12345 on October 23, 2011, 11:00:15 pm
you just revealed your true colours. i suspected before but couldnt remember 100 percent that it was you. everytime anyone on this forum has a bad word for manchester utd you arrive on your white horse to fight thier corner. why is that?
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: ruby12345 on October 23, 2011, 11:02:01 pm
yes people are imagining the 100m spent on ferdinand rooney berbatov and countless others. all the big clubs spend similar amounts of money apart from arsenal.
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: hoolahoop on October 23, 2011, 11:03:54 pm
Quote from: \"ruby12345\" post=193787
hoolahoop you have previous form of defending utd i seem to remember.apologies if im wrong.


I do when the arguments are weak , I also have form defending City on certain issues. I won't pretend for one minute that they haven't been a joy to watch over the years but then again 2 of my favourite players were/are Bell and Lee.
Sorry if I don't conform to the 'we must all hate Man U' club.

Who I enjoy watching is obviously my business as for Fergie he's an arse but a very clever one
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: ruby12345 on October 23, 2011, 11:05:51 pm
if this weekend city or chelsea or lpool or arsenal had lost 6-1 i think people on this forum would have a chuckle at thier exspense(its what football fans do) i know i did when united beat arsenal 8-2
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: ruby12345 on October 23, 2011, 11:09:06 pm
utd got spanked people found it amusing. next week it will be liverpool or chelsea its nothing to do with hating utd. i cant see any reason why rovers fans should hate manchester united. after all the success they have had down the years is mind blowing for a simple fan of a pub team like me. dont take utd jokes personal it makes you appear to be a closet utd fan.
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: ruby12345 on October 23, 2011, 11:11:59 pm
roy hodgson would beg to differ about liverpools spending power. those 2 yanks nearly run them into the ground
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: inSODwetrust on October 24, 2011, 08:59:01 am
Who cares about Man U Man City? Please can this be moved to the 'Off Topic' section of the board!
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: ruby12345 on October 24, 2011, 10:34:13 am
judging by the amount of posts people have made on the subject its obvious people do care and have an intrest in other football other than drfc. football fans should have a vague intrest in all leagues including non league.
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: Mark Mccammon on October 24, 2011, 10:44:36 am
Mark Mccammon played in and FA Cup final against Man Utd. Personally shocked this was not another big money buy from them.
Title: Re: 6-1!!! to city
Post by: hoolahoop on October 24, 2011, 11:24:58 pm
Quote from: \"ruby12345\" post=193794
you just revealed your true colours. i suspected before but couldnt remember 100 percent that it was you. everytime anyone on this forum has a bad word for manchester utd you arrive on your white horse to fight thier corner. why is that?


I'll tell you what it is shall I ruby12345, the fact that not one person on 5 pages of posts have talked about the game, the fantastic performance by City.........it's fookin irrational to gather incorrect facts together to slag off Man U. Not one person, don't you find that strange on a football forum.
I told you I have Mancunian roots on one side of my family .........yes they wear 'BLUE' the whole fookin lot of them and they used to come up with the same sort of irrational crap that you do. Times have changed and they are growing up unlike you sadly, all they wanted to do was talk about the silky skills of Mancini's men , they were there , 3 of them in the AWAY ent at OT. Brother-in-law and both my nephews.