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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Chris on January 25, 2012, 02:45:50 pm
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DRFC Official Site (http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/page/News/0,,10329~2588634,00.html)
What does this mean for the future?
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that we could be in serious shit if you ask me... unless there is a plan of action to get new members in??
doesnt sound good for the club anyways!
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sinking ship, gutted
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Interesting. :blink:
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Given one of them is Dick Watson, does this mean Billy's offer is no longer on the table?
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Oh shit. Thanks for your efforts Dick, especially with the recent Sharp offer.
Thanks for nothing Bramall, you tight sod.
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Desperate times.
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I find it strange that this has seemingly come out of nowhere. I wonder why three of them all decided to pack it in all of a sudden?
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Very difficult to see how this can be anything but very bad news
Best of wishes to Dick for his health
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Not good at all, especially when you think they convinced JR to replace the manager and then they leave....
JR will have to get some more investment in then.
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:byebye Billy
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does it affect the naming rights to the stadium ? Or is there still someone on the board from Keepmoat ?
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Maybe some of the critics on here should take a long hard look at themselves!
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JR cannot afford to fund the several million pound shortfall we have every season. This is absolutely desperate, unless someone is waiting in the wings to invest, which I doubt.
I think it is clear things are far from rosy at the moment. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see JR departing either.
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Terry Brammall also left, supposedly the 24th richest man in football last year! £425 million gone...ouch!
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Terry Brammall also left, supposedly the 24th richest man in football last year! £425 million gone...ouch!
He was never going to put it in though.
Some legitimate questions to be asked though, why have they chosen to go? You wonder what their motivation ever was seeing as they were never going to make football on the sporting side, the assumption is it was the stadium (a rumour long held).
It's not a disaster, I've thought for a long time the club should operate within it's means, maybe now it will encourage some aspects of the club to improve (marketing the main one).
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are these the same set of people who wanted O Driscol out ?
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Maybe some of the critics on here should take a long hard look at themselves!
A forum is there for people to make their thoughts and opinions heard and take on board those of others. If criticism was prevented then the forum would not really be fulfilling its entire purpose.
I don't agree with some of the decisions the board has made and may have criticised them on here. Are you therefore saying that I should be in part responsible for the fact they have decided to resign from the board. If they cannot take the criticism then they are not worthy board members in the first place.
In saying that, best wishes to Dick Watson for his future health and JR in finding replacements to help the club through these difficult times.
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Also didn't Brammalls company also sponsor the stadium? So does this mean we're going to lose sponsorship of the stadium?
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Quite literally.... Shit the BED!
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The key point is not that they are standing down from the BoD, but if they wish to retrieve monies loaned to DRFC, or to sell the shares they currently own.
If they sell their shares, then JR is left as chairman with a minority holding, and whoever buys in can take overall control of DRFC (Patienceform).
Of course, no-one may be interested in buying into a company operating at a loss, so the position may be unchanged, with DW and TB retaining an interest via their shares, but not acting as directors alongside JR.
I suspect this has been in the pipeline for a while, but I am happy to be corrected if anyone knows different.
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Also didn't Brammalls company also sponsor the stadium? So does this mean we're going to lose sponsorship of the stadium?
That may happen however it would be a problem for the council, not us, as they are the ones who own the stadium.
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I heard a few weeks ago that McKay was in talks with some Arab prince about investing in us I know that sounds a bit far fetched but with these 4 directors quitting today u never know I heard this from diouf and chimbonda after seeing them on a night out they said that's the main reason they came to us
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This is bad news, and as stated seemingly out of the blue.
A few weeks ago we were all praising Dick Watson for how he handled the Billy Sharp scenario while John Ryan was overseas. Thank you very much Dick Watson, we appreciate everything you have done for Doncaster Rovers and without you and your generousity we would not be where we are today, I wish him all the best with his health and hope it is nothing serious.
There were rumours that Bramall had \"unofficially\" packed in months ago, or at least we assumed he stopped investing in Doncaster Rovers, ergo the 4 million plug that we lost. Whether you like him or not, you have to thank him for donating his wealth to Doncaster Rovers.
Although the other two directors are seemingly \"behind the scenes\" or \"insignificant\" does not mean to say their impact on Doncaster Rovers, I imagine they have also done alot for DRFC so thank you Andrew Watson and Sarah Kell.
We are now more than ever at risk, not only is our Championship status on the line but the skeleton of our board has been shattered into pieces, investment is not a automatic privilage. As fans the only thing we can do to help sustain DRFC for the forseeable future is use the co-operative for it's main objective: Become a member as soon as you can and spread the word, we may not be able to shoulder Doncaster Rovers on our own; but that doesn't mean John Ryan should either. I will pay my subs this evening and I can only hope that you will do the same.
John Ryan says in his statement that this is a dissapointing time for Doncaster Rovers fans, but we must look to the future. I do not think therefore that a 4 page thread debating why they left is necessary, John Ryan has said that hoping for the right reaction, let common sense prevail and give him the reaction he deserves; our 100% commitment and support!
RTWD
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We're in trouble.
Wonder if Gartom can shed some light on it for us
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Also didn't Brammalls company also sponsor the stadium? So does this mean we're going to lose sponsorship of the stadium?
Keepmoat sponsor the stadium, which is owned by the council. We never saw any of that money anyway.
I'd be more worried about us agreeing any kind of lease now on the stadium itself. The council can't wait to shut the place because of the money it is losing.
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So Dick has resigned due to ill health but his son and daughter have stepped down too? And to think some of us have remained cynical that, despite what's being spouted publcailly, everything in the garden seems far from rosy. Given that Dick and Terry have been making up the shortfall every year these are desperate and truly scary times.
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I would have thought the contract with Keepmoat PLC was watertight and couldn't be withdrawn until the end of the contract, and anyway, Watson & Brammall made their money by selling their stake in Keepmoat so they are no longer involved.
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Maybe some of the critics on here should take a long hard look at themselves!
Filo that post is totally uncalled for , this is a fans forum where free speech is allowed. These are 'hard nosed' businessmen and don't give a flying fook what's on here in the main.
Perhaps you should look at your self here instead of blaming the man on the street for the resignations of 4 directors.
As I see it ........we're ALL allowed to write our opinions, perhaps a post you made caused the directors to resign numpty. :angry:
Perhaps those critics were right all along and that's the rationale behind the resignations. :whistle:
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Maybe some of the critics on here should take a long hard look at themselves!
Stupid comment. Utterly stupid.
If they can't handle criticism for very controversial decisions then good riddance to them.
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The key point is not that they are standing down from the BoD, but if they wish to retrieve monies loaned to DRFC, or to sell the shares they currently own.
If they sell their shares, then JR is left as chairman with a minority holding, and whoever buys in can take overall control of DRFC (Patienceform).
Of course, no-one may be interested in buying into a company operating at a loss, so the position may be unchanged, with DW and TB retaining an interest via their shares, but not acting as directors alongside JR.
I suspect this has been in the pipeline for a while, but I am happy to be corrected if anyone knows different.
The majority of clubs run at a loss Albie but that doesn't usually stop someone putting their money into the club . In football terms we aren't talking 'major' investment here to sustain this club
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I've had worse.
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Given that Bramall has already made clear he was not putting any more investment into the club and JR has intimated that we are no longer going to be running at a loss (which required Director investment to bridge the gap) then I don't think this development really moves matters on much.
We still have to start cutting our cloth accordingly and not living in a fantasy world where a 'good' result was seen as budgeting from a £3m LOSS each season which required passing the begging bowl round the Directors.
We get 9k crowds, TV money and sponsorship. This is now our budget. We have to live with this.
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I think the word 'disappointing' doesn't even come close to how JR must be feeling.
Whether or not you agree that the sacking of SOD was the right thing to do (which has and continues to be a 'hot topic'), it does seem that JR's hand was somewhat forced by some of the other Directors - in particular TB (although I'm sure we'll never know the full details).
Having (reluctantly?) gone along with the wishes of the other Directors and installed DS as SODs replacement, this must be difficult for JR to take. I wonder if 'shafted' better describes how JR's feeling right now?
I don't think this is going to help heal the rift that's appeared between supporters since SODs departure. But, I could be wrong - it might be something that brings everyone together to try and avoid relegation.
As a club, we're just going through the mill a bit at the moment.
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It seems like J/R has had arse kicked big style, he was made to get rid of SO'D and adapt to a new manager and McKay set up , it sounds like maybe J/R was asked to go himself and refused , so they have gone instead. This leave questions ,like \"What percentage of the clubs shares is in their control\"? .. under 50% i would assume ,\" will they still keep there voting rights if they are share holders\"? and can they block any new share holding by new investors, He has J/R has said prior that the club needed more investment.. why did he say this if Bramall was in a position to help ? Very sad this is for sure.. and relegation will cause the club to go go into administration if J/R is the only share holder putting funds into the club. As for Arabs then we are not in the ball park where they are investing WE ARE TOO SMALL A CLUB
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Didn't that Dingle fan predict this ages ago?
I'm f**king staggered by this. Will we ever know the truth?
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Gutted!
JR talking about it on Football Heaven tonight.
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Maybe some of the critics on here should take a long hard look at themselves!
Stupid comment. Utterly stupid.
If they can't handle criticism for very controversial decisions then good riddance to them.
I couldn't agree more Chris. If debate is to be surpressed then you might as well close the forum.
Have a think about it Dave.
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Step up to the plate Mr McKay .....your football club needs you!!
Willie McKay for next chairman anyone?!?
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hmmmm that will be interseting JR on football heaven tonight. Hopefully somebody else is lined up or else things do not look bright...
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Step up to the plate Mr McKay .....your football club needs you!!
Willie McKay for next chairman anyone?!?
Trolling at its finest. :laugh:
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John Ryan is still at the club, thats the main thing. Whilever we still have him, we still have a club!
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If they sell their shares, then JR is left as chairman with a minority holding, and whoever buys in can take overall control of DRFC (Patienceform).
John would get first opportunity to buy their shares (assuming standard pre-emption rights in the Articles) but he would have to match the price they want otherwise another party can acquire the shares.
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It seems like J/R has had arse kicked big style, he was made to get rid of SO'D and adapt to a new manager and McKay set up , it sounds like maybe J/R was asked to go himself and refused , so they have gone instead. This leave questions ,like \"What percentage of the clubs shares is in their control\"? .. under 50% i would assume ,\" will they still keep there voting rights if they are share holders\"? and can they block any new share holding by new investors, He has J/R has said prior that the club needed more investment.. why did he say this if Bramall was in a position to help ? Very sad this is for sure.. and relegation will cause the club to go go into administration if J/R is the only share holder putting funds into the club. As for Arabs then we are not in the ball park where they are investing WE ARE TOO SMALL A CLUB
Brammall and Watson own about 65% between them. They still have that, and still remain shareholders. As shareholders they will still have the same voting rights as they had before . Being a director doesn't give you preferential treatment in that regard at an AGM/EGM. However, they probably won't be participating in board meetings anymore.
Just because they are no longer directors does not necessarily mean anything has changed on the funding side. Anybody can invest in the club by way of a loan or donation if they want, so we could still be in the same financial position as before (Billy Sharp offer, funding gap provided by Watson etc). Granted that things could change, but we can only guess in that regard, and I don't see any reason for panic or scaremongering until we know more from JR.
With respect to the naming rights, Brammall and Watson have nothing to do with that - they sold their interest in Keepmoat plc in 2007, so they have no say on the matter.
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If they sell their shares, then JR is left as chairman with a minority holding, and whoever buys in can take overall control of DRFC (Patienceform).
John would get first opportunity to buy their shares (assuming standard pre-emption rights in the Articles) but he would have to match the price they want otherwise another party can acquire the shares.
Now is the time to get real supporters on the board.
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Really don't know what to make of this or what it means for the club. Shocked.
On another matter, Billy Sharp
Reading manager has refused to rule out a move for him. I know it seems unlikely but after todays news, who knows what impact this could have on keeping players here.
As i understood it, was it not Dick Watson who was putting his cash towards a new contract for Billy? I take it the new contract offer has been shelved.
Who knows, hopefully JR will enlighten us on football heaven at 6. :(
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Well there has been some rubbish posted on this forum over recent weeks but today some posters really have risen to the heights of stupidity with their comments. No I don't include you in that Dave.
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Well there has been some rubbish posted on this forum over recent weeks but today some posters really have risen to the heights of stupidity with their comments. No I don't include you in that Dave.
Are you going to enlighten us to what exactly you are alluding to ? :huh:
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It can't be good news and JR's reaction on DROS suggests he hasn't got others lined up to replace them.
The real concern will be if they want loans repaid etc. If that's the case we could be in deep s**t very soon.
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It can't be good news and JR's reaction on DROS suggests he hasn't got others lined up to replace them.
The real concern will be if they want loans repaid etc. If that's the case we could be in deep s**t very soon.
Just a thought , could this be tactical taking the 'money men' out of the equation prior to any completion re. KM lease ?
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Well there has been some rubbish posted on this forum over recent weeks but today some posters really have risen to the heights of stupidity with their comments. No I don't include you in that Dave.
Are you going to enlighten us to what exactly you are alluding to ? :huh:
If the cap fits.
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It can't be good news and JR's reaction on DROS suggests he hasn't got others lined up to replace them.
The real concern will be if they want loans repaid etc. If that's the case we could be in deep s**t very soon.
Just a thought , could this be tactical taking the 'money men' out of the equation prior to any completion re. KM lease ?
I had heard a whisper that things might be moving forward on the lease soon. However, I think your supposition may well be clutching at straws, Hoola!
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Would have been nice if the statement had given a bit of an explanation as to why they've all suddenly resigned.
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Well realistically, if JR is the only money man on the board, we probably won't be able to sustain Championship football. I don't think I would begrudge that, because if we can't do it, we can't do it. After all JR has done for the club, I think it's only fair he gets a bit of leeway here, and maybe stabilising and accepting that we need to balance things out again (maybe in the division below) won't be the worst thing in the world.
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Well realistically, if JR is the only money man on the board, we probably won't be able to sustain Championship football. I don't think I would begrudge that, because if we can't do it, we can't do it. After all JR has done for the club, I think it's only fair he gets a bit of leeway here, and maybe stabilising and accepting that we need to balance things out again won't be the worst thing in the world.
That post is far too sensible. Any chance of some ignorant, knee jerk reaction instead? :)
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DRFC Official Site (http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/page/News/0,,10329~2588634,00.html)
What does this mean for the future?
That were in serious shit i'm afraid, i reckon were 99.9% relegation bound now, definitely without a shaddow of doubt something has happened behind the scenes what we don' know about. RTID
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Well there has been some rubbish posted on this forum over recent weeks but today some posters really have risen to the heights of stupidity with their comments. No I don't include you in that Dave.
Are you going to enlighten us to what exactly you are alluding to ? :huh:
If the cap fits.
Most enlightening Wellred. :laugh:
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It can't be good news and JR's reaction on DROS suggests he hasn't got others lined up to replace them.
The real concern will be if they want loans repaid etc. If that's the case we could be in deep s**t very soon.
As I've understood, there are no loans. The club made extra share issues and the investors bought them up.
If Bramall and Watson want to sell, they need a buyer who will meet their price before they can. It's worrying that control of the club could now be wrested from JR.
Nothing stops them from continuing to invest so no sense in panicking about Billy's wages or Diouf's deal just yet.
I have an idea about what's happened that makes sense at the mo but I'll try to listen to Football Heaven tonight before I make a fool of myself
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Made about as much sense as Wellred usually does.
Be nice to get some more details on what JR/the club plan to do next, rather than us all just saying it's a disaster right away.
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Well, my cap appears to be a numpty's cap, I thought you had more decorum than that hoola! It appears I may have touched a nerve with some on here, but I'll not resort to name calling, I'm better than that!
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Didn't Muttley analyse the accounts and discover the interest rate on loans from the three main parties?
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As I've understood, there are no loans. The club made extra share issues and the investors bought them up.
There have been a combination of share issues and loans (some interest-bearing, some not).
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For me everyones getting into a flap before hearing what JR has to say. Is there going to be new members on the board? Has JR got a contingency plan? Is Willie Mcckay(as stated earlier) coming onto the board??
You have to think DRFC as a club have come further than anyone can imagine in the last 8-9 years and just be thankful that the club isnt in shock to the news of going into Administration and going to lose valuable points and have to sell all their prize assetts.
YES the Men with the money are no longer part of the DRFC board, but im pretty sure JR isnt going anywhere and will still do what hes done for the club since he took over and thats make the Doncaster Public proud of their team.
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Well, my cap appears to be a numpty's cap, I thought you had more decorum than that hoola! It appears I may have touched a nerve with some on here, but I'll not resort to name calling, I'm better than that!
You haven't touched a nerve at all Dave, just made a daft statement inferring that certain posts/threads on an 'open' forum could cause 4 directors to consider their positions and then resign.
The posters on this forum don't have that much power thank god. Do you want us all to sing from the same hymn sheet about every subject ? :blink:
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Didn't Muttley analyse the accounts and discover the interest rate on loans from the three main parties?
That would be me - I can't be arsed to type it all out again but there are substantial loans in there that are repaid on demand
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Will someone update on what jr has said can't get to the radio
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Didn't Muttley analyse the accounts and discover the interest rate on loans from the three main parties?
I did, but can't remember details off the top of my head, suffice to say it was better than what I get at the Nationwide.
Just noticed that latest accounts to 31/5/11 have just been released so will download and have a look tonight.
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Watson has left because of medical reasons, sounds like the others have left because of the minority moaning.
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John Ryan echoes Filo it seems! Blaming the minority for criticising the directors, always moaning and says that he has thought about resigning himself.
Oh, btw, they all resigned LAST tuesday, so he's sat on this announcement for a week. He wants the 'real' fans of the club to rally round and support the club.
Sounds like all the same old schtick to me. JR has been a great man and I hope he can help pick the club up from here but I'm fast losing a lot of confidence in him I'm afraid.
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Well from the horses mouth on the radio, he states the criticism from small minority of fans has become very wearing on all the directors including himself.
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Didn't Muttley analyse the accounts and discover the interest rate on loans from the three main parties?
That would be me - I can't be arsed to type it all out again but there are substantial loans in there that are repaid on demand
Sorry Jenny. As you were. :)
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Well, what does he expect? Universal praise until the end of time, and not questioning any single decision ever? As the old saying goes, you can please all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time...but you can never please all of the people all of the time.
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Well, we already know about Bramhall and perhaps the Watson's is a family decision and I'm sure we wish Dick all the best and are extremely grateful for his financial support.
The only surprising thing given Bramhall had already in effect vacated his seat on the board, is the timing of his inclusion in the announcement.
Anyway, let's not go down the conspiracy road, or we're doomed road. The vast majority of the squad is contracted and whilst we've enough games left, we have a good chance of staying up.
It is what it is, and all we can do is support the club in whatever way we can.
RTID.
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He sounds desperate, tired and fed up.
I wish I could take him for a drink and tell him how much I love him.
f**king legend.
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Well, we already know about Bramhall and perhaps the Watson's is a family decision and I'm sure we wish Dick all the best and are extremely grateful for his financial support.
The only surprising thing given Bramhall had already in effect vacated his seat on the board, is the timing of his inclusion in the announcement.
Anyway, let's not go down the conspiracy road, or we're doomed road. The vast majority of the squad is contracted and whilst we've enough games left, we have a good chance of staying up.
It is what it is, and all we can do is support the club in whatever way we can.
RTID.
With Dick resigning due to health reasons, has nobody thought maybe his kids resigned cos they want to help care for daddipoos?.. (other than possibly DBR)
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Difficult times for him. It's hard when things ware you down, especially as you get older and patience wares thinner.
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If anyone was in any doubt that Ryan doesn't take the negative comments on here to heart then they surely aren't now. Filo was correct in his post, some people need to look at themselves and think before they post.
The comments with regards Ryan and the coppinger incident were nothing short of disgraceful and I can fully understand it hurting and upsetting John as it obviously has.
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He sounds desperate, tired and fed up.
I wish I could take him for a drink and tell him how much I love him.
fcuking legend.
Have to agree with that.It hurts to hear JR sound so low.
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Well, what does he expect? Universal praise until the end of time, and not questioning any single decision ever? As the old saying goes, you can please all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time...but you can never please all of the people all of the time.
I'm sure he doesn't expect that, but far too many people are all grumble and criticsm, not constructively either. We've all heard people at games spouting sack the board etc. Far too many f**king people want everything they do to fail, whether you agree with things or not, make a point and move on and support the club. Too many with agendas and wanting things to fail and I cannot abide that, it's a joke.
I could list tonnes of things at the moment that have really annoyed me and 99% of them sit with the fans. Some people need to wake up and realise everything JR's done for this club and cut the guy some slack. It baffles me how people cannot appreciate what he's done, whether you agree with his decisions or not the criticsm has been far far too much. It was the same when SOD was appointed after Penney and it's been like that recently. Muppets they are, make your point and get behind the team. I've seen comments like \"I won't attend whilst Saunders is in charge\". Get a f**king grip will you and get behind your team, far too many including some of my own mates were loving the good times but won't stick behind them during the bad. Nobody is saying 100 percent agree with everything done, but when it got to talk of protests etc I despair. No problem having an opinion, but leave it at that, rather than constantly causing trouble. Too many weak people who can't just accept tough times once in a while.
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He sounds desperate, tired and fed up.
I wish I could take him for a drink and tell him how much I love him.
fcuking legend.
you can always write to him, care of the club, and tell him that.
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I agree with every thing big fat Yorkshire pudding says. Some of the fans on here and who claim to be supporters of the club are a disgrace. I'm personally sick of the apathy and negativity that is around at the moment despite the fact that we have have the best chairman in the country and the best squad of players Doncaster have ever seen, and thats by some distance.
The problem is that negativity breeds and it stops those who would potentially come to games stay away, the ground is quiet there is little atmosphere and much negativity.... Why would the floating support want to go to games?
That said. I think it's a wider issue which has to take consideration of our league position, the marketing of the club and the cost of going to football, and I don't just mean rovers, in the current financial climate.
I think we as supporters and as a club need to use this as a watershed, pull together, review how we can all take the club forward and start doing so, like negativity positivity breeds too. If we are not careful we will be reminiscing about our years in the championship, getting crowds of 10k plus, seeing the quality of p,Ayer we have today, having a chairman who loved the club or even having a club at all.
Just a note for people to take into consideration re attendance, barring the europria of promotion seasons our gate has probably gone up by 400% over the ast ten years....how many other clubs can say that?
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Well from the horses mouth on the radio, he states the criticism from small minority of fans has become very wearing on all the directors including himself.
Something i've been worried about for awhile now , keyboard warriors SOME who seem to revel in criticising every effort that the board do to try to keep us in the Championship unconcerned about the damage they are doing. The board have been propping up the club & it's been poorly received in some quarters by some very ungrateful people who seem to think the board have to give their millions to the club & take all the abuse. Yet what do they do to support the club some don't even go to the games stating they won't pay £27 despite other clubs charging £36. Are these people going to find the 2 million extra income required now or will they just critise the club in it's struggle to stay in the Championship. A very sad day in the history of Doncaster Rovers !
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Maybe has something to do with individuals starting petitions etc against the boards project/plans
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Why so you cold revel in the misery the likes of yourself have caused?
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I understand JR must be a little annoyed or whatever with the criticism or moans or whatever but he must understand that not everybody is going to be happy and that some are concerned with this new stratergy that the club is adopting as it can be considered to be controversial and is much more controversial to some than others with this forum being the place for those to voice it and how they feel towards the strategy.
Anyway i really feel for John at this time as it must be a very difficult one for him. And all the best to dick and his family
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People are un aware of what they're doing. Filo got lambasted for stating what he did by hoola and others, and it turns out he was spot on. You get people saying \"it's a forum it's my opinion I'm allowed to express it\"
But I would suggest that if your opinion is having such a negative effect on this club Then keep your gob shut.
If I was working my bollox off trying to do my best for the club, and small minded people were doing nothing but criticise me and slag me off, I'd be gone.
And I think it's only a matter of time before he is gone, if it carries on. And then you really will have something to whine about..
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Would have been nice if the statement had given a bit of an explanation as to why they've all suddenly resigned.
Why so you could revell in the misery and harm the likes of you have done to this club?
You might think your funny with your outlandish, I'll informed comments but i really hope you accept your part in what has just happened. You really do disgust me.
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Would have been nice if the statement had given a bit of an explanation as to why they've all suddenly resigned.
Why so you could revell in the misery and harm the likes of you have done to this club?
You might think your funny with your outlandish, I'll informed comments but i really hope you accept your part in what has just happened. You really do disgust me.
Hear hear
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Very passionate interview by John Ryan on FH as ever!
I have a few things to say though.
1)He claims its ill health that's made Dick Watson resign, then goes on to say how its the fault of the constantly whinging fans, how so? As far as we know, Terry Brammall effectively resigned a few month or so back, then the other two (Watsons children?) Didn't strike me as big players on the board and not one bit of critisicm was aired at them personally. Dick Watson was thanked and applauded on this forum by EVERYONE for offering Billy Sharp a new contract.
2)He says the constant whingers should shut up or not bother coming. So because we have an opinion differing to his and the other board members we are expected to keep schtum about it? I chose to air my concerns and disagreements with it on a public FORUM (isn't that what forums are for?)
3)Why announce it now,why not last week when this actually happened? Maybe waiting for the dust to settle a little bit? fair enough if thats the case.
Got lots of things i'd like to say but id be here forever. Overall though i find it a bit hypocritical that JR constantly goes on interviews and has a go at the fans but yet when we do the same about very contraversial changes in the club we are told to shut up and support someone else and accused of not being proper fans!
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Why not spend the next 6 weeks arguing amongst each other pointing the finger and accusing one and other of someway destroying the club.
Or why not stop this playground madness, JR said we need to look to the future, lets give the man the reaction he deserves and stop the infighting while we can. We are all here because we are Rovers fans. We need to unite and stand behind John Ryan.
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Why so you could revell in the misery and harm the likes of you have done to this club?
You might think your funny with your outlandish, I'll informed comments but i really hope you accept your part in what has just happened. You really do disgust me.
Get a grip. It wasn't me that sacked SO'D and embarked on an adventure into fantasy land.
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He said Watson was I'll health but the others were probably due to the criticism they receive when all they're trying to do is the best for the club.
You've listened to his interview you've heard how upset he is yet you still come on here and moan about him again. I hope he has also read your comments about giving away your season ticket, cause then he will realise your views are null and void..
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He said Watson was I'll health but the others were probably due to the criticism they receive when all they're trying to do is the best for the club.
You've listened to his interview you've heard how upset he is yet you still come on here and moan about him again. I hope he has also read your comments about giving away your season ticket, cause then he will realise your views are null and void..
He won't give his ticket away. I offered him money for it and he never replied. So again i will buy it from you if you want to sell.
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Why so you could revell in the misery and harm the likes of you have done to this club?
You might think your funny with your outlandish, I'll informed comments but i really hope you accept your part in what has just happened. You really do disgust me.
Get a grip. It wasn't me that sacked SO'D and embarked on an adventure into fantasy land.
SOD has gone and the Mckay experiment is happening. Just accept it and stop your constant bleating.
JR is a legend and personally he could sell all the squad and replace them with the Belles and I would still think that. We 'fans' have no divine right to have a club in the Championship or expect JR to spend his hard earned cash on keeping us here when we won't part with £27 of our hard earned cash.
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Why so you could revell in the misery and harm the likes of you have done to this club?
You might think your funny with your outlandish, I'll informed comments but i really hope you accept your part in what has just happened. You really do disgust me.
Get a grip. It wasn't me that sacked SO'D and embarked on an adventure into fantasy land.
No but it was you who set up an extremly vocal and irritating campaign against the people who did - I hope you are happy at the effect it has had. You want to run the club your way - go ask the rest of your Barnsley mates to raid their piggy banks and help fund the shortfall then.
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How many people are moaning/complaining/whinging etc??
We get how many home fans to a game? err 6000 ish??
How many complain err about 20 on here??
Hardly that bad to resort to resigning is it??
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I don't even think we can blame mick. If he's a Barnsley fan he's come on here to take the piss. It's our fans that have jumped on his side when he is only here to wind us up that need to look at themselves.
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Why so you could revell in the misery and harm the likes of you have done to this club?
You might think your funny with your outlandish, I'll informed comments but i really hope you accept your part in what has just happened. You really do disgust me.
Get a grip. It wasn't me that sacked SO'D and embarked on an adventure into fantasy land.
SOD has gone and the Mckay experiment is happening. Just accept it and stop your constant bleating.
JR is a legend and personally he could sell all the squad and replace them with the Belles and I would still think that. We 'fans' have no divine right to have a club in the Championship or expect JR to spend his hard earned cash on keeping us here when we won't part with £27 of our hard earned cash.
IMO the real scapegoat in all this is Terry Bramall. A guy with incredible wealth who months ago decided to no invest any more. Just why was he on the board in the first place. I made a comparison at the beginning of the season to him and a normal season ticket holder. With his then yearly investment, in percentage terms, it didn't even equal to our cheapest season ticket.
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How many people are moaning/complaining/whinging etc??
We get how many home fans to a game? err 6000 ish??
How many complain err about 20 on here??
Hardly that bad to resort to resigning is it??
It's because there are far more on here moaning, if people are happy they don't say anything, so maybe the happy people should come forward and drown out the whingers
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He said Watson was I'll health but the others were probably due to the criticism they receive when all they're trying to do is the best for the club.
You've listened to his interview you've heard how upset he is yet you still come on here and moan about him again. I hope he has also read your comments about giving away your season ticket, cause then he will realise your views are null and void..
You mean the two insignificants on the board who are Watson's kids? You ever thought they may have left because Daddy as and not because of the fans? I doubt many even knew who they were or that they were on the board so no criticsm was dish their way!
I feel sorry for John Ryan because i feel he's been done like a kipper with all the SO'D/DS stuff and now they've just left him to take the wrath!
What as me giving my season ticket away got to do with this? I paid for it and can do with it what i see fit. I don't have any motivation whatsover to go and watch the club while McKay is here and these new players are rolling up.
I'll still end up buying a season ticket next season like i always do, and i'll still be entitled to my opinions, and if people don't agree with that then tough!
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I think JR needs everyone's full support right now. We are incredibly lucky to have such a great, committed Chairman and if we love the club and want to see it succeed then we need to get behind him, the Manager and the team and support them in the best way that we can!
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Why so you could revell in the misery and harm the likes of you have done to this club?
You might think your funny with your outlandish, I'll informed comments but i really hope you accept your part in what has just happened. You really do disgust me.
Get a grip. It wasn't me that sacked SO'D and embarked on an adventure into fantasy land.
SOD has gone and the Mckay experiment is happening. Just accept it and stop your constant bleating.
JR is a legend and personally he could sell all the squad and replace them with the Belles and I would still think that. We 'fans' have no divine right to have a club in the Championship or expect JR to spend his hard earned cash on keeping us here when we won't part with £27 of our hard earned cash.
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IMO the real scapegoat in all this is Terry Bramall. A guy with incredible wealth who months ago decided to no invest any more. Just why was he on the board in the first place. I made a comparison at the beginning of the season to him and a normal season ticket holder. With his then yearly investment, in percentage terms, it didn't even equal to our cheapest season ticket.
I very much doubt that John thought at the beginning that bramall would help him as little as he has done. You know what they say about hindsight
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first of all let me wish a speedy recovery to mr watson.
imay have been one of the moaners on here,due to my concern to where we were/are heading.
to me my glass is always half empty.
therefore my apologies go to sir john and anyone else whom ive upset.
rtid
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He won't give his ticket away. I offered him money for it and he never replied. So again i will buy it from you if you want to sell.
I genuinly must have missed that comment then Red Wizard. It was a 17-21 season ticket anyway so i dont know if you'd have still wanted it? I did give it away, why would i lie about that? Like i said, it was paid for by me so it was my decision what i wanted to do with it.
Still dont see why my season ticket and what i have done with it as any relevance to all this though...
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I doubt that Terry Bramall has got to his level of financial status without hearing the odd whisper of discontent along the way. He'll have a thicker skin than mad mick could poke a wound in. There has to be a fall out at top-level, difference of opinion about direction, how to deal with the media, sandwich fillings at the half-time buffet, frustration about lack of investment or such like. Either way, a personality clash has caused this split and we have to hope and pray that JR manages to find some like-walleted friends to help us along the way in both the short and long term.
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He said Watson was I'll health but the others were probably due to the criticism they receive when all they're trying to do is the best for the club.
You've listened to his interview you've heard how upset he is yet you still come on here and moan about him again. I hope he has also read your comments about giving away your season ticket, cause then he will realise your views are null and void..
You mean the two insignificants on the board who are Watson's kids? You ever thought they may have left because Daddy as and not because of the fans? I doubt many even knew who they were or that they were on the board so no criticsm was dish their way!
I feel sorry for John Ryan because i feel he's been done like a kipper with all the SO'D/DS stuff and now they've just left him to take the wrath!
What as me giving my season ticket away got to do with this? I paid for it and can do with it what i see fit. I don't have any motivation whatsover to go and watch the club while McKay is here and these new players are rolling up.
I'll still end up buying a season ticket next season like i always do, and i'll still be entitled to my opinions, and if people don't agree with that then tough!
Yeah say what you like, tough titties if it jeapordises the club. Ryan was talking about bramall getting pissed off
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I doubt that Terry Bramall has got to his level of financial status without hearing the odd whisper of discontent along the way. He'll have a thicker skin than mad mick could poke a wound in. There has to be a fall out at top-level, difference of opinion about direction, how to deal with the media, sandwich fillings at the half-time buffet, frustration about lack of investment or such like. Either way, a personality clash has caused this split and we have to hope and pray that JR manages to find some like-walleted friends to help us along the way in both the short and long term.
The difference with this is, he was here to help us out and jr out. And when you receive constant criticism from people you are only here to help then I can imagine your patience will run thin. He was never here to make money he was here to help.
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He said Watson was I'll health but the others were probably due to the criticism they receive when all they're trying to do is the best for the club.
You've listened to his interview you've heard how upset he is yet you still come on here and moan about him again. I hope he has also read your comments about giving away your season ticket, cause then he will realise your views are null and void..
You mean the two insignificants on the board who are Watson's kids? You ever thought they may have left because Daddy as and not because of the fans? I doubt many even knew who they were or that they were on the board so no criticsm was dish their way!
I feel sorry for John Ryan because i feel he's been done like a kipper with all the SO'D/DS stuff and now they've just left him to take the wrath!
What as me giving my season ticket away got to do with this? I paid for it and can do with it what i see fit. I don't have any motivation whatsover to go and watch the club while McKay is here and these new players are rolling up.
I'll still end up buying a season ticket next season like i always do, and i'll still be entitled to my opinions, and if people don't agree with that then tough!
Yeah say what you like, tough titties if it jeapordises the club. Ryan was talking about bramall getting pissed off
I shouldn't get involved in this playground pointing fingers but when did Brammal supposedly stop funding the club, was it was before all this SOD/DS/McKay divide happened?
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Why so you could revell in the misery and harm the likes of you have done to this club?
You might think your funny with your outlandish, I'll informed comments but i really hope you accept your part in what has just happened. You really do disgust me.
Get a grip. It wasn't me that sacked SO'D and embarked on an adventure into fantasy land.
SOD has gone and the Mckay experiment is happening. Just accept it and stop your constant bleating.
JR is a legend and personally he could sell all the squad and replace them with the Belles and I would still think that. We 'fans' have no divine right to have a club in the Championship or expect JR to spend his hard earned cash on keeping us here when we won't part with £27 of our hard earned cash.
IMO the real scapegoat in all this is Terry Bramall. A guy with incredible wealth who months ago decided to no invest any more. Just why was he on the board in the first place. I made a comparison at the beginning of the season to him and a normal season ticket holder. With his then yearly investment, in percentage terms, it didn't even equal to our cheapest season ticket.
And why are you questioning his right to be on the board if JR isn't? I believe he was on the board because JR asked him to be. If you bothered to do any research you will find that he does a lot of work with community programmes, arts development, supported housing projects, He probably thinks now that his incredible wealth is better used in those areas than for the benefit of the ungrateful and questioning 'supporters' of DRFC.
Among all the proverbs which have so far been trotted out on this thread why has no-one put 'don't bite the hand that feeds you' because this is exactly what has happened whether you like it or not.
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It is not true that because this is a so called public forum it should be OK to express just any view . In fact it is a Supporters Co operative that members pay for in the best interests of the club. To post negative and what is ofen destructive criticism , even like calling JR's outrage at the Coppinger business as 'pathetic and embarassing' is truly thoughtless .Worse still to pontificate how the McKay experiment is wrong.to criticise why?? to display what added value exactly? Even if it makes the poster feel superior in an \"I know best way\" it does JR's club no good at all.
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When I was back up in doncaster at Christmas, I was told that if I thought that the club taking in a gamble and joining up with Willie McKay was a bad thing I should prepare for the latest rumor.....the locals in the paddock told me that the board were at logger heads due to Lord Kirkham been offered shares in the club, the big issue was that a board member and top director were offering out shares that weren’t there’s and also without speaking to the board first! Never believed it, just thought they were winding me up due to my well known opinion of that torrie thatcher loving prick. But now after this….. I’ve seen stranger things happen!!! That will be jumping into bed with the devil
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He said Watson was I'll health but the others were probably due to the criticism they receive when all they're trying to do is the best for the club.
You've listened to his interview you've heard how upset he is yet you still come on here and moan about him again. I hope he has also read your comments about giving away your season ticket, cause then he will realise your views are null and void..
You mean the two insignificants on the board who are Watson's kids? You ever thought they may have left because Daddy as and not because of the fans? I doubt many even knew who they were or that they were on the board so no criticsm was dish their way!
I feel sorry for John Ryan because i feel he's been done like a kipper with all the SO'D/DS stuff and now they've just left him to take the wrath!
What as me giving my season ticket away got to do with this? I paid for it and can do with it what i see fit. I don't have any motivation whatsover to go and watch the club while McKay is here and these new players are rolling up.
I'll still end up buying a season ticket next season like i always do, and i'll still be entitled to my opinions, and if people don't agree with that then tough!
Yeah say what you like, tough titties if it jeapordises the club. Ryan was talking about bramall getting pissed off
If they couldn't handle the critiscm of a few (and it really is a few) people on an internet forum then maybe they shouldn't have gone on the board in the first place?
Im obviously glad they did come on board because we'd definately not be in the Championship now if it wasn't for the 3 of them. It's their choices and decisions that they've made in the last few months though that could jeopordies the club, not the fans.
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The bristol match was a disaster for us on several fronts.
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It is not true that because this is a so called public forum it should be OK to express just any view . In fact it is a Supporters Co operative that members pay for in the best interests of the club. To post negative and what is ofen destructive criticism , even like calling JR's outrage at the Coppinger business as 'pathetic and embarassing' is truly thoughtless .Worse still to pontificate how the McKay experiment is wrong.to criticise why?? to display what added value exactly? Even if it makes the poster feel superior in an \"I know best way\" it does JR's club no good at all.
Absolutely spot on, and what I've been trying to say for months.
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When I was back up in doncaster at Christmas, I was told that if I thought that the club taking in a gamble and joining up with Willie McKay was a bad thing I should prepare for the latest rumor.....the locals in the paddock told me that the board were at logger heads due to Lord Kirkham been offered shares in the club, the big issue was that a board member and top director were offering out shares that weren’t there’s and also without speaking to the board first! Never believed it, just thought they were winding me up due to my well known opinion of that torrie thatcher loving prick. But now after this….. I’ve seen stranger things happen!!! That will be jumping into bed with the devil
out of the frying pan......
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Does this pave the way for the American investor?
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Why so you could revell in the misery and harm the likes of you have done to this club?
You might think your funny with your outlandish, I'll informed comments but i really hope you accept your part in what has just happened. You really do disgust me.
Get a grip. It wasn't me that sacked SO'D and embarked on an adventure into fantasy land.
SOD has gone and the Mckay experiment is happening. Just accept it and stop your constant bleating.
JR is a legend and personally he could sell all the squad and replace them with the Belles and I would still think that. We 'fans' have no divine right to have a club in the Championship or expect JR to spend his hard earned cash on keeping us here when we won't part with £27 of our hard earned cash.
IMO the real scapegoat in all this is Terry Bramall. A guy with incredible wealth who months ago decided to no invest any more. Just why was he on the board in the first place. I made a comparison at the beginning of the season to him and a normal season ticket holder. With his then yearly investment, in percentage terms, it didn't even equal to our cheapest season ticket.
And why are you questioning his right to be on the board if JR isn't? I believe he was on the board because JR asked him to be. If you bothered to do any research you will find that he does a lot of work with community programmes, arts development, supported housing projects, He probably thinks now that his incredible wealth is better used in those areas than for the benefit of the ungrateful and questioning 'supporters' of DRFC.
Among all the proverbs which have so far been trotted out on this thread why has no-one put 'don't bite the hand that feeds you' because this is exactly what has happened whether you like it or not.
I'm questioning it, because I feel questions need to be asked, especially with his sudden withdrawel of funding which was never explained. If you are deluded enough to think we shouldn't ask questions just because it might piss off JR then you really need to wake up and smell the coffee.
At the end of the day, I pay my £27 week in week out. The going on at board level this season have been suspicious to say the least, from the withdrawel of funds from Bramall, SOD's sacking 48 hours after JR said on local radio he was going nowhere. The involvement of Willie Mckay and a sudden influx of \"big name\" players. And this is before we get onto the matter of relegation.
John Ryan has done wonders at this club. But does that mean we should not question anything that ever happens at DRFC while he is at the helm? Just plod on with complete ignorance and pretend that everything is okay?
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Well this is a bit of a bugger int it?
I've long worried that Ryan is way overly sensitive about small amounts of criticism. He's regularly taken issue with a tiny minority when 99% of us think the man is a deity. Someone with his ear ought to remind him about the 99% and tell him to tell the 1% to swivel.
Then tell him to bloody well grow up.
Joke. Withdrawn m'Lud.
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Why so you could revell in the misery and harm the likes of you have done to this club?
You might think your funny with your outlandish, I'll informed comments but i really hope you accept your part in what has just happened. You really do disgust me.
Get a grip. It wasn't me that sacked SO'D and embarked on an adventure into fantasy land.
SOD has gone and the Mckay experiment is happening. Just accept it and stop your constant bleating.
JR is a legend and personally he could sell all the squad and replace them with the Belles and I would still think that. We 'fans' have no divine right to have a club in the Championship or expect JR to spend his hard earned cash on keeping us here when we won't part with £27 of our hard earned cash.
IMO the real scapegoat in all this is Terry Bramall. A guy with incredible wealth who months ago decided to no invest any more. Just why was he on the board in the first place. I made a comparison at the beginning of the season to him and a normal season ticket holder. With his then yearly investment, in percentage terms, it didn't even equal to our cheapest season ticket.
And why are you questioning his right to be on the board if JR isn't? I believe he was on the board because JR asked him to be. If you bothered to do any research you will find that he does a lot of work with community programmes, arts development, supported housing projects, He probably thinks now that his incredible wealth is better used in those areas than for the benefit of the ungrateful and questioning 'supporters' of DRFC.
Among all the proverbs which have so far been trotted out on this thread why has no-one put 'don't bite the hand that feeds you' because this is exactly what has happened whether you like it or not.
I'm questioning it, because I feel questions need to be asked, especially with his sudden withdrawel of funding which was never explained. If you are deluded enough to think we shouldn't ask questions just because it might piss off JR then you really need to wake up and smell the coffee.
At the end of the day, I pay my £27 week in week out. The going on at board level this season have been suspicious to say the least, from the withdrawel of funds from Bramall, SOD's sacking 48 hours after JR said on local radio he was going nowhere. The involvement of Willie Mckay and a sudden influx of \"big name\" players. And this is before we get onto the matter of relegation.
John Ryan has done wonders at this club. But does that mean we should not question anything that ever happens at DRFC while he is at the helm? Just plod on with complete ignorance and pretend that everything is okay?
I think we can question it course we can, but it's when we get answers and then people don't accept his answers, that I think is taking it too far. You have had answers to all those points you raised other than the bramall saga. But yet your still talking about it months down the line. Which means you don't trust or believe jr which is wrong in my opinion
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Criticism is one thing.
Vitriol based on ill-informed rumour, bullshit gossip or just plain b*llocks is another.
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An observation.
Of COURSE we can criticise Ryan on here. We can also make unsubstantiated allegations (short of liable) and spout vitriol if we want.
Course, if we do, we perhaps ought to be grown up enough to accept the consequences...
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Nudga,
I will nip that in the bud right now. I originated the concept some time ago and there was no mention of any financial investment coming from the American connection. I was aiming for a connection leading to the American club becoming a feeder club for Donny. I can say that Burnley were on the same course before the last recession but never followed through when the recession kicked in. The connection is not dead but don't expect any money being pumped in to Donny.
Does this pave the way for the American investor?
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John Ryan does take criticism on here very, very personally. I can say that from personal experience having spoken to the great man when he sought to address some comments I had about the club shop and commercial marketing of the club.
While that's a fantastic quality in a Chairman - the willingness to talk to fans one on one - it's also dangerous, as it could lead to people being driven out of the club through criticism.
ON the flip side, JR, Terry and Dick are all grown men and very successful businessmen. I have absolutely no doubt they have had to take the rough with the smooth when they were building their respective businesses, so in my opinion, it seems a bit churlish to throw the towel in just because they've come in for a bit of stick on this forum. It's part of change in a business and let's face it, we've seen a radical change this season.
Dick may have been advised to step down for health reasons, and I'm we all thank him for his generous support.... but I can't help thinking there's something more here... probably to do with the ground.
It's something of a vicious circle IMO - the club is not run off the field very well, including marketing and communications - so awareness is low, and crowds are not hitting what we need. JR has come out on numerous occasions and had a pop at the public, rightly or wrongly, for not supporting the club. Which irks people even more... and so support stagnates.
Whatever... it's done. What we all need now is a statement of intent from the club about where we go from here, and some clarification of what the ramifications are of this announcement.
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I think we are having the wool pulled over our eyes, there has got to be more to this the JR is letting on. Four directors resign because a few fans are moaning? Do me a favour, it happens at every club, are you saying that we are worse than any other? I don't think so.
I agree, some seem to moan for the sake of it but it all seems a bit over the top.
Thought Seth could have asked more cutting questions. Has the McKay saga had a impact on the board? We know why Dick has resigned but JR said he has not spoken to Mr Bramall since he came back of holiday,could he have done more to talk him round?
Not a dig at JR as such and wish Dick well, he drinks in my local.
Feel there is more to come out,
Lets hope for the best:unsure:
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He said Watson was I'll health but the others were probably due to the criticism they receive when all they're trying to do is the best for the club.
You've listened to his interview you've heard how upset he is yet you still come on here and moan about him again. I hope he has also read your comments about giving away your season ticket, cause then he will realise your views are null and void..
You mean the two insignificants on the board who are Watson's kids? You ever thought they may have left because Daddy as and not because of the fans? I doubt many even knew who they were or that they were on the board so no criticsm was dish their way!
I feel sorry for John Ryan because i feel he's been done like a kipper with all the SO'D/DS stuff and now they've just left him to take the wrath!
What as me giving my season ticket away got to do with this? I paid for it and can do with it what i see fit. I don't have any motivation whatsover to go and watch the club while McKay is here and these new players are rolling up.
I'll still end up buying a season ticket next season like i always do, and i'll still be entitled to my opinions, and if people don't agree with that then tough!
Yeah say what you like, tough titties if it jeapordises the club. Ryan was talking about bramall getting pissed off
I shouldn't get involved in this playground pointing fingers but when did Brammal supposedly stop funding the club, was it was before all this SOD/DS/McKay divide happened?
Before, he couldn't stand SO'D , had little interest in football and joined the venture with his ex -business partner. JR would have expected him to help out once the SO'D issue was resolved, in the event he didn't and shipped out with his ex-partner.
Apparently this was all because of some negative posts and threads on this forum that represents some 12% of the regular home support !
Come on fellas are you really buying this as an excuse for 4 directors to 'ship' out ? Why the hell are we attacking each other and continuing down this ridiculous path ?
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Used to see Dick in The Carpenters played football with Andrew (v good player)
Wish them all well and thankyou for their efforts over the years
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It is not true that because this is a so called public forum it should be OK to express just any view . In fact it is a Supporters Co operative that members pay for in the best interests of the club. To post negative and what is ofen destructive criticism , even like calling JR's outrage at the Coppinger business as 'pathetic and embarassing' is truly thoughtless .Worse still to pontificate how the McKay experiment is wrong.to criticise why?? to display what added value exactly? Even if it makes the poster feel superior in an \"I know best way\" it does JR's club no good at all.
Absolutely spot on, and what I've been trying to say for months.
So are you both of the opinion that if a VSC member does not agree with decisions made within the club they are unable to post their views / concerns / opinions on here? Just in case they are seen as negative or a criticism of the people making these decisions. If that is the line people are being asked to follow then it is indeed a sad day, not only for the club but the VSC and in particular this forum too.
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Unless you come by millions by robbing banks or winning the lottery, generally you have to be one tough focused cookie to become a multi millionaire... Are we really now supposed to believe these people quit because a few plebs had a bit of a moan?
How did they get so far in the world of commerce if they are such sensitive souls?
If todays news is an iceberg I think perhaps we are only seeing the very tip tbh.
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The mrs has just put corontion street on the tele...who needs coronation st when we have the soap opera of Donny Rovers?
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When I was back up in doncaster at Christmas, I was told that if I thought that the club taking in a gamble and joining up with Willie McKay was a bad thing I should prepare for the latest rumor.....the locals in the paddock told me that the board were at logger heads due to Lord Kirkham been offered shares in the club, the big issue was that a board member and top director were offering out shares that weren’t there’s and also without speaking to the board first! Never believed it, just thought they were winding me up due to my well known opinion of that torrie thatcher loving prick. But now after this….. I’ve seen stranger things happen!!! That will be jumping into bed with the devil
Great. Just what we need now, a bloody Tory on the board at the same time as his lot are busy shafting the rest of the town!
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The mrs has just put corontion street on the tele...who needs coronation st when we have the soap opera of Donny Rovers?
You know, Martin? That's why I'm getting increasingly sick of the whole thing. The club I love is being turned into a soap opera.
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Unless you come by millions by robbing banks or winning the lottery, generally you have to be one tough focused cookie to become a multi millionaire... Are we really now supposed to believe these people quit because a few plebs had a bit of a moan?
How did they get so far in the world of commerce if they are such sensitive souls?
If todays news is an iceberg I think perhaps we are only seeing the very tip tbh.
Spot on, Jucy. FWIW I think John Ryan's been let down very badly by people he thought he could trust. We need to get behind him, but equally he needs to stop taking any criticism to heart. Especially when it is ill-informed.
Anyone in football- whether they be a director, manager, player, administrator, referee etc- who reads messageboards like this one, is going to hear some bad things said. But come on, we've not exactly had protest marches, boycotts, \"Sack The Board\" campaigns etc.
If only it had been so easy to get rid of Uncle Ken...
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Unless you come by millions by robbing banks or winning the lottery, generally you have to be one tough focused cookie to become a multi millionaire... Are we really now supposed to believe these people quit because a few plebs had a bit of a moan?
How did they get so far in the world of commerce if they are such sensitive souls?
If todays news is an iceberg I think perhaps we are only seeing the very tip tbh.
As I've stated elsewhere they may be hard nosed business men, but they were to help the club. They weren't here for themselves, they weren't hear to make money. They were here to help the club and jr. And all they received were criticism and little support so they probably thought what's the point.
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How many people are moaning/complaining/whinging etc??
We get how many home fans to a game? err 6000 ish??
How many complain err about 20 on here??
Hardly that bad to resort to resigning is it??
At last here I'd someone with sense !!!
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As I've stated elsewhere they may be hard nosed business men, but they were to help the club. They weren't here for themselves, they weren't hear to make money. They were here to help the club and jr. And all they received were criticism and little support so they probably thought what's the point.
Dick has left for medical reasons and his son and daughter have left because dad has gone. That leaves Terry who JR hasn't spoken to. So let's have a bit of perspective. Do you really believe that Terry has left because of my posts and a few others? Come off it.
There's a much bigger story waiting to come out. JR said himself it is only a small minority that are as he puts it 'moaning'. So they haven't only received criticism they've mostly received support from the vast majority.
I thought we lived in a democracy where people could express their views. What is viewed by some as moaning is viewed by others as constructive criticism. I fall firmly into the constructive criticism camp. If I and others feel the club is going down the wrong path it would be very remiss of us not to say so.
You never know our views may well have been listened to and could potentially have averted a disaster for the club. At least I can hold my head up high and say I wasn't a sheep and I gave my honestly held views despite all the abuse thrown my way.
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Hope you are proud mate, it could be that you and your kind have put these guys off pumping their money into a club with such idiotic 'fans'.
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Why so you could revell in the misery and harm the likes of you have done to this club?
You might think your funny with your outlandish, I'll informed comments but i really hope you accept your part in what has just happened. You really do disgust me.
Get a grip. It wasn't me that sacked SO'D and embarked on an adventure into fantasy land.
You know, what this club needs right now is someone to step into the breach, a successful businessman, you know, the type that runs 3 highly successfully business`s, so successful that he could invest his millions made from them into the club, couple that with the huge profits from his professional gambling, where apparently he does n`t lose and surely he would n`t mind other less fortunate people telling him who he should or should n`t employ, or how he should or should n`t spend his money!
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As I've stated elsewhere they may be hard nosed business men, but they were to help the club. They weren't here for themselves, they weren't hear to make money. They were here to help the club and jr. And all they received were criticism and little support so they probably thought what's the point.
Dick has left for medical reasons and his son and daughter have left because dad has gone. That leaves Terry who JR hasn't spoken to. So let's have a bit of perspective. Do you really believe that Terry has left because of my posts and a few others? Come off it.
There's a much bigger story waiting to come out. JR said himself it is only a small minority that are as he puts it 'moaning'. So they haven't only received criticism they've mostly received support from the vast majority.
I thought we lived in a democracy where people could express their views. What is viewed by some as moaning is viewed by others as constructive criticism. I fall firmly into the constructive criticism camp. If I and others feel the club is going down the wrong path it would be very remiss of us not to say so.
You never know our views may well have been listened to and could potentially have averted a disaster for the club. At least I can hold my head up high and say I wasn't a sheep and I gave my honestly held views despite all the abuse thrown my way.
Averted a disaster?? Looks to me like they've caused the disaster.
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As I've stated elsewhere they may be hard nosed business men, but they were to help the club. They weren't here for themselves, they weren't hear to make money. They were here to help the club and jr. And all they received were criticism and little support so they probably thought what's the point.
Dick has left for medical reasons and his son and daughter have left because dad has gone. That leaves Terry who JR hasn't spoken to. So let's have a bit of perspective. Do you really believe that Terry has left because of my posts and a few others? Come off it.
There's a much bigger story waiting to come out. JR said himself it is only a small minority that are as he puts it 'moaning'. So they haven't only received criticism they've mostly received support from the vast majority.
I thought we lived in a democracy where people could express their views. What is viewed by some as moaning is viewed by others as constructive criticism. I fall firmly into the constructive criticism camp. If I and others feel the club is going down the wrong path it would be very remiss of us not to say so.
You never know our views may well have been listened to and could potentially have averted a disaster for the club. At least I can hold my head up high and say I wasn't a sheep and I gave my honestly held views despite all the abuse thrown my way.
Averted a disaster?? Looks to me like they've caused the disaster.
So you still belive the board members left because of criticism on here? Its a totally laughable excuse and one i don't believe one bit!
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Maybe some of the critics on here should take a long hard look at themselves!
Filo that post is totally uncalled for , this is a fans forum where free speech is allowed. These are 'hard nosed' businessmen and don't give a flying fook what's on here in the main.
Perhaps you should look at your self here instead of blaming the man on the street for the resignations of 4 directors.
As I see it ........we're ALL allowed to write our opinions, perhaps a post you made caused the directors to resign numpty. :angry:
Perhaps those critics were right all along and that's the rationale behind the resignations. :whistle:
Now I`m in from work i`ll respond properly.
First of all, i`m not a numpty, like wellred stated, and this goes for anyone, if the cap fits! I`m not saying censor peoples opinions, but there are one or two on here that have a clear agenda when it comes to recent decisions the board have made, they start multiple threads about the same thing, they can`t just voice their concerns and move on, no, they have to force feed us their opinions over and over again, to the point where people are pig sick of reading what they type, they can`t see beyond there nose end! it`s pathetic!
As for the directors not taking any notice of things on here, how can they? it was only a fortnight ago that there were posts about having protests, we even had someone organise a petition to protest about the way the directors were running the club, how would you feel if some one was trying to tell you how to spend your money? i hope the repetative negative posters, the organisers of the petition and the people that put their names to it are satisfied now, I`m sure they`ve got an alternative plan to finance the club!
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Hope you are proud mate, it could be that you and your kind have put these guys off pumping their money into a club with such idiotic 'fans'.
I'm very proud to have had the courage of my convictions to point out what I considered to be the weaknesses in the McKay strategy. I gave perfectly good reasons why it couldn't work in the hope it would be abandoned before it was too late. I'm not a sheep and will not toe the club line if I feel it is not in the best interests of the club.
If you really believe I have the power to stop them from putting money into the club then you need to get a grip. It's a poor excuse for why they've left and once again we are being kept in the dark.
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Maybe some of the critics on here should take a long hard look at themselves!
Filo that post is totally uncalled for , this is a fans forum where free speech is allowed. These are 'hard nosed' businessmen and don't give a flying fook what's on here in the main.
Perhaps you should look at your self here instead of blaming the man on the street for the resignations of 4 directors.
As I see it ........we're ALL allowed to write our opinions, perhaps a post you made caused the directors to resign numpty. :angry:
Perhaps those critics were right all along and that's the rationale behind the resignations. :whistle:
Now I`m in from work i`ll respond properly.
First of all, i`m not a numpty, like wellred stated, and this goes for anyone, if the cap fits! I`m not saying censor peoples opinions, but there are one or two on here that have a clear agenda when it comes to recent decisions the board have made, they start multiple threads about the same thing, they can`t just voice their concerns and move on, no, they have to force feed us their opinions over and over again, to the point where people are pig sick of reading what they type, they can`t see beyond there nose end! it`s pathetic!
As for the directors not taking any notice of things on here, how can they? it was only a fortnight ago that there were posts about having protests, we even had someone organise a petition to protest about the way the directors were running the club, how would you feel if some one was trying to tell you how to spend your money? i hope the repetative negative posters, the organisers of the petition and the people that put their names to it are satisfied now, I`m sure they`ve got an alternative plan to finance the club!
I thought that was just a facebook thing? Everyone on here (me included) were totally against anything like that!
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Hope you are proud mate, it could be that you and your kind have put these guys off pumping their money into a club with such idiotic 'fans'.
I'm very proud to have had the courage of my convictions to point out what I considered to be the weaknesses in the McKay strategy. I gave perfectly good reasons why it couldn't work in the hope it would be abandoned before it was too late. I'm not a sheep and will not toe the club line if I feel it is not in the best interests of the club.
If you really believe I have the power to stop them from putting money into the club then you need to get a grip. It's a poor excuse for why they've left and once again we are being kept in the dark.
If you really had the clubs interests at heart you wouldn't keep going on and on, especially now. Everybody knows your opinion now so leave it at that.
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As I've stated elsewhere they may be hard nosed business men, but they were to help the club. They weren't here for themselves, they weren't hear to make money. They were here to help the club and jr. And all they received were criticism and little support so they probably thought what's the point.
Dick has left for medical reasons and his son and daughter have left because dad has gone. That leaves Terry who JR hasn't spoken to. So let's have a bit of perspective. Do you really believe that Terry has left because of my posts and a few others? Come off it.
There's a much bigger story waiting to come out. JR said himself it is only a small minority that are as he puts it 'moaning'. So they haven't only received criticism they've mostly received support from the vast majority.
I thought we lived in a democracy where people could express their views. What is viewed by some as moaning is viewed by others as constructive criticism. I fall firmly into the constructive criticism camp. If I and others feel the club is going down the wrong path it would be very remiss of us not to say so.
You never know our views may well have been listened to and could potentially have averted a disaster for the club. At least I can hold my head up high and say I wasn't a sheep and I gave my honestly held views despite all the abuse thrown my way.
Averted a disaster?? Looks to me like they've caused the disaster.
So you still belive the board members left because of criticism on here? Its a totally laughable excuse and one i don't believe one bit!
Of course you don't, why would you believe anything Ryan says. You never have before.
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Maybe some of the critics on here should take a long hard look at themselves!
Filo that post is totally uncalled for , this is a fans forum where free speech is allowed. These are 'hard nosed' businessmen and don't give a flying fook what's on here in the main.
Perhaps you should look at your self here instead of blaming the man on the street for the resignations of 4 directors.
As I see it ........we're ALL allowed to write our opinions, perhaps a post you made caused the directors to resign numpty. :angry:
Perhaps those critics were right all along and that's the rationale behind the resignations. :whistle:
Now I`m in from work i`ll respond properly.
First of all, i`m not a numpty, like wellred stated, and this goes for anyone, if the cap fits! I`m not saying censor peoples opinions, but there are one or two on here that have a clear agenda when it comes to recent decisions the board have made, they start multiple threads about the same thing, they can`t just voice their concerns and move on, no, they have to force feed us their opinions over and over again, to the point where people are pig sick of reading what they type, they can`t see beyond there nose end! it`s pathetic!
As for the directors not taking any notice of things on here, how can they? it was only a fortnight ago that there were posts about having protests, we even had someone organise a petition to protest about the way the directors were running the club, how would you feel if some one was trying to tell you how to spend your money? i hope the repetative negative posters, the organisers of the petition and the people that put their names to it are satisfied now, I`m sure they`ve got an alternative plan to finance the club!
I thought that was just a facebook thing? Everyone on here (me included) were totally against anything like that!
You thought wrong then!
The organiser posts on here regularly and there was a link posted on here to the petition!
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Hope you are proud mate, it could be that you and your kind have put these guys off pumping their money into a club with such idiotic 'fans'.
I'm very proud to have had the courage of my convictions to point out what I considered to be the weaknesses in the McKay strategy. I gave perfectly good reasons why it couldn't work in the hope it would be abandoned before it was too late. I'm not a sheep and will not toe the club line if I feel it is not in the best interests of the club.
If you really believe I have the power to stop them from putting money into the club then you need to get a grip. It's a poor excuse for why they've left and once again we are being kept in the dark.
You`re like a F******g broken record, you can`t help yourself can you? We know your opinions, why go on and on and on? you`re not helping matters at all!
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As I've stated elsewhere they may be hard nosed business men, but they were to help the club. They weren't here for themselves, they weren't hear to make money. They were here to help the club and jr. And all they received were criticism and little support so they probably thought what's the point.
Dick has left for medical reasons and his son and daughter have left because dad has gone. That leaves Terry who JR hasn't spoken to. So let's have a bit of perspective. Do you really believe that Terry has left because of my posts and a few others? Come off it.
There's a much bigger story waiting to come out. JR said himself it is only a small minority that are as he puts it 'moaning'. So they haven't only received criticism they've mostly received support from the vast majority.
I thought we lived in a democracy where people could express their views. What is viewed by some as moaning is viewed by others as constructive criticism. I fall firmly into the constructive criticism camp. If I and others feel the club is going down the wrong path it would be very remiss of us not to say so.
You never know our views may well have been listened to and could potentially have averted a disaster for the club. At least I can hold my head up high and say I wasn't a sheep and I gave my honestly held views despite all the abuse thrown my way.
Averted a disaster?? Looks to me like they've caused the disaster.
So you still belive the board members left because of criticism on here? Its a totally laughable excuse and one i don't believe one bit!
Of course you don't, why would you believe anything Ryan says. You never have before.
Never have? I think you'll find you're wrong there! I have stated in the past that i feel we have/are been lied to (Sharp clause, Backing and sacking SO'D etc). I also feel he is witholding the real reasons why the board members have resigned, i very much doubt that the truth will come out either, he's using us fans as an easy target to blame when it's quite clear to anyone that there as been alot of stuff going on behind the scenes that they want to keep quiet.
Anyone remember John Ryan saying about how lots of loans/short term players wont work when talking about Sheffield United? So why have we gone down that route then?
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Maybe some of the critics on here should take a long hard look at themselves!
Filo that post is totally uncalled for , this is a fans forum where free speech is allowed. These are 'hard nosed' businessmen and don't give a flying fook what's on here in the main.
Perhaps you should look at your self here instead of blaming the man on the street for the resignations of 4 directors.
As I see it ........we're ALL allowed to write our opinions, perhaps a post you made caused the directors to resign numpty. :angry:
Perhaps those critics were right all along and that's the rationale behind the resignations. :whistle:
Now I`m in from work i`ll respond properly.
First of all, i`m not a numpty, like wellred stated, and this goes for anyone, if the cap fits! I`m not saying censor peoples opinions, but there are one or two on here that have a clear agenda when it comes to recent decisions the board have made, they start multiple threads about the same thing, they can`t just voice their concerns and move on, no, they have to force feed us their opinions over and over again, to the point where people are pig sick of reading what they type, they can`t see beyond there nose end! it`s pathetic!
As for the directors not taking any notice of things on here, how can they? it was only a fortnight ago that there were posts about having protests, we even had someone organise a petition to protest about the way the directors were running the club, how would you feel if some one was trying to tell you how to spend your money? i hope the repetative negative posters, the organisers of the petition and the people that put their names to it are satisfied now, I`m sure they`ve got an alternative plan to finance the club!
I thought that was just a facebook thing? Everyone on here (me included) were totally against anything like that!
You thought wrong then!
The organiser posts on here regularly and there was a link posted on here to the petition!
If thats the case then fair enough, i just thought it was a load of school kids on Facebook.
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As I've stated elsewhere they may be hard nosed business men, but they were to help the club. They weren't here for themselves, they weren't hear to make money. They were here to help the club and jr. And all they received were criticism and little support so they probably thought what's the point.
Dick has left for medical reasons and his son and daughter have left because dad has gone. That leaves Terry who JR hasn't spoken to. So let's have a bit of perspective. Do you really believe that Terry has left because of my posts and a few others? Come off it.
There's a much bigger story waiting to come out. JR said himself it is only a small minority that are as he puts it 'moaning'. So they haven't only received criticism they've mostly received support from the vast majority.
I thought we lived in a democracy where people could express their views. What is viewed by some as moaning is viewed by others as constructive criticism. I fall firmly into the constructive criticism camp. If I and others feel the club is going down the wrong path it would be very remiss of us not to say so.
You never know our views may well have been listened to and could potentially have averted a disaster for the club. At least I can hold my head up high and say I wasn't a sheep and I gave my honestly held views despite all the abuse thrown my way.
Averted a disaster?? Looks to me like they've caused the disaster.
So you still belive the board members left because of criticism on here? Its a totally laughable excuse and one i don't believe one bit!
Of course you don't, why would you believe anything Ryan says. You never have before.
Never have? I think you'll find you're wrong there! I have stated in the past that i feel we have/are been lied to (Sharp clause, Backing and sacking SO'D etc). I also feel he is witholding the real reasons why the board members have resigned, i very much doubt that the truth will come out either, he's using us fans as an easy target to blame when it's quite clear to anyone that there as been alot of stuff going on behind the scenes that they want to keep quiet.
Anyone remember John Ryan saying about how lots of loans/short term players wont work when talking about Sheffield United? So why have we gone down that route then?
My god.. Are you wired up correctly?? I've just said you don't trust or believe anything he says. And then you proceed to confirm my point in some sort of idiotic argument..
We both agree you don't believe him end of..
Carry on posting shit like that and you'll have nobody here not to trust
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As I've stated elsewhere they may be hard nosed business men, but they were to help the club. They weren't here for themselves, they weren't hear to make money. They were here to help the club and jr. And all they received were criticism and little support so they probably thought what's the point.
Dick has left for medical reasons and his son and daughter have left because dad has gone. That leaves Terry who JR hasn't spoken to. So let's have a bit of perspective. Do you really believe that Terry has left because of my posts and a few others? Come off it.
There's a much bigger story waiting to come out. JR said himself it is only a small minority that are as he puts it 'moaning'. So they haven't only received criticism they've mostly received support from the vast majority.
I thought we lived in a democracy where people could express their views. What is viewed by some as moaning is viewed by others as constructive criticism. I fall firmly into the constructive criticism camp. If I and others feel the club is going down the wrong path it would be very remiss of us not to say so.
You never know our views may well have been listened to and could potentially have averted a disaster for the club. At least I can hold my head up high and say I wasn't a sheep and I gave my honestly held views despite all the abuse thrown my way.
Averted a disaster?? Looks to me like they've caused the disaster.
So you still belive the board members left because of criticism on here? Its a totally laughable excuse and one i don't believe one bit!
Of course you don't, why would you believe anything Ryan says. You never have before.
Never have? I think you'll find you're wrong there! I have stated in the past that i feel we have/are been lied to (Sharp clause, Backing and sacking SO'D etc). I also feel he is witholding the real reasons why the board members have resigned, i very much doubt that the truth will come out either, he's using us fans as an easy target to blame when it's quite clear to anyone that there as been alot of stuff going on behind the scenes that they want to keep quiet.
Anyone remember John Ryan saying about how lots of loans/short term players wont work when talking about Sheffield United? So why have we gone down that route then?
My god.. Are you wired up correctly?? I've just said you don't trust or believe anything he says. And then you proceed to confirm my point in some sort of idiotic argument..
We both agree you don't believe him end of..
Carry on posting shit like that and you'll have nobody here not to trust
It's only recently that he's started to say these lies (although you could argue that it was more to do with him not really having a say/knowing whats happening. Gartom says thats not the case though). Do i believe his comments in his last interview? No. Did i always used to believe him in the past? Yes. Would i still believe him in the future? Yes.
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Just because you don't believe him doesn't mean they are lies. And if he's at home reading this you've probably sent him over the edge give it a rest
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As I've stated elsewhere they may be hard nosed business men, but they were to help the club. They weren't here for themselves, they weren't hear to make money. They were here to help the club and jr. And all they received were criticism and little support so they probably thought what's the point.
Dick has left for medical reasons and his son and daughter have left because dad has gone. That leaves Terry who JR hasn't spoken to. So let's have a bit of perspective. Do you really believe that Terry has left because of my posts and a few others? Come off it.
There's a much bigger story waiting to come out. JR said himself it is only a small minority that are as he puts it 'moaning'. So they haven't only received criticism they've mostly received support from the vast majority.
I thought we lived in a democracy where people could express their views. What is viewed by some as moaning is viewed by others as constructive criticism. I fall firmly into the constructive criticism camp. If I and others feel the club is going down the wrong path it would be very remiss of us not to say so.
You never know our views may well have been listened to and could potentially have averted a disaster for the club. At least I can hold my head up high and say I wasn't a sheep and I gave my honestly held views despite all the abuse thrown my way.
Averted a disaster?? Looks to me like they've caused the disaster.
So you still belive the board members left because of criticism on here? Its a totally laughable excuse and one i don't believe one bit!
Of course you don't, why would you believe anything Ryan says. You never have before.
Never have? I think you'll find you're wrong there! I have stated in the past that i feel we have/are been lied to (Sharp clause, Backing and sacking SO'D etc). I also feel he is witholding the real reasons why the board members have resigned, i very much doubt that the truth will come out either, he's using us fans as an easy target to blame when it's quite clear to anyone that there as been alot of stuff going on behind the scenes that they want to keep quiet.
Anyone remember John Ryan saying about how lots of loans/short term players wont work when talking about Sheffield United? So why have we gone down that route then?
My god.. Are you wired up correctly?? I've just said you don't trust or believe anything he says. And then you proceed to confirm my point in some sort of idiotic argument..
We both agree you don't believe him end of..
Carry on posting shit like that and you'll have nobody here not to trust
It's only recently that he's started to say these lies (although you could argue that it was more to do with him not really having a say/knowing whats happening. Gartom says thats not the case though). Do i believe his comments in his last interview? No. Did i always used to believe him in the past? Yes. Would i still believe him in the future? Yes.
I hope you`ve got access to a good lawyer, or you`ve got evidence to back up your allegation of lying!
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Im fine to give it a rest, i hope he doesn't call it a day and all that, obviously! Just standing up for myself and putting my points across about how the minority on here (im guessing im part of that because i have stated on here many of times that i dont agree with the new regime/plan) can't seriously be to blame for them leaving Sir John in the shit!
I've said what i wanted to say on the matter though and i said i wouldn't post about McKay anymore because it just turns into petty arguments about who's right and who's wrong. And i'll no longer say my piece on this matter either!
Who knows, the resignations may be a blessing in disguise and the push we need?
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Im fine to give it a rest, i hope he doesn't call it a day and all that, obviously! Just standing up for myself and putting my points across about how the minority on here (im guessing im part of that because i have stated on here many of times that i dont agree with the new regime/plan) can't seriously be to blame for them leaving Sir John in the shit!
I've said what i wanted to say on the matter though and i said i wouldn't post about McKay anymore because it just turns into petty arguments about who's right and who's wrong. And i'll no longer say my piece on this matter either!
Who knows, the resignations may be a blessing in disguise and the push we need?
You`d be wise to retract your allegation of lying, unless you`ve got irrefutable evidence of it!
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Im fine to give it a rest, i hope he doesn't call it a day and all that, obviously! Just standing up for myself and putting my points across about how the minority on here (im guessing im part of that because i have stated on here many of times that i dont agree with the new regime/plan) can't seriously be to blame for them leaving Sir John in the shit!
I've said what i wanted to say on the matter though and i said i wouldn't post about McKay anymore because it just turns into petty arguments about who's right and who's wrong. And i'll no longer say my piece on this matter either!
Who knows, the resignations may be a blessing in disguise and the push we need?
You`d be wise to retract your allegation of lying, unless you`ve got irrefutable evidence of it!
He stated that Billy's release clause was £3million, no? Turns out it was much less than that! There's a lie for you.
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I don't believe you're a DRFC fan.
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Im fine to give it a rest, i hope he doesn't call it a day and all that, obviously! Just standing up for myself and putting my points across about how the minority on here (im guessing im part of that because i have stated on here many of times that i dont agree with the new regime/plan) can't seriously be to blame for them leaving Sir John in the shit!
I've said what i wanted to say on the matter though and i said i wouldn't post about McKay anymore because it just turns into petty arguments about who's right and who's wrong. And i'll no longer say my piece on this matter either!
Who knows, the resignations may be a blessing in disguise and the push we need?
You`d be wise to retract your allegation of lying, unless you`ve got irrefutable evidence of it!
He stated that Billy's release clause was £3million, no? Turns out it was much less than that! There's a lie for you.
I take it that you know the full details of the clause then?
I`ve tried to help you, on your head be it, but let me warn you defending a libel case can become very expensive, losing a libel case would be even more expensive!
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Im fine to give it a rest, i hope he doesn't call it a day and all that, obviously! Just standing up for myself and putting my points across about how the minority on here (im guessing im part of that because i have stated on here many of times that i dont agree with the new regime/plan) can't seriously be to blame for them leaving Sir John in the shit!
I've said what i wanted to say on the matter though and i said i wouldn't post about McKay anymore because it just turns into petty arguments about who's right and who's wrong. And i'll no longer say my piece on this matter either!
Who knows, the resignations may be a blessing in disguise and the push we need?
You`d be wise to retract your allegation of lying, unless you`ve got irrefutable evidence of it!
He stated that Billy's release clause was £3million, no? Turns out it was much less than that! There's a lie for you.
I take it that you know the full details of the clause then?
I`ve tried to help you, on your head be it, but let me warn you defending a libel case can become very expensive, losing a libel case would be even more expensive!
No i dont, but it seems alot do! Seth has always stated that the clause was much lower than the £3mill being spouted, so did other journalists.
He also (on the Wednesday) said he 'never responds to hotheads who want to sack somebody, i dont think it's ever worked'. Then ofcourse on the friday SO'D was sacked. If he's not lying, and not telling the truth, then what his he doing?
Why wouldn't i be a Donny fan DonnyRTID? I assure you i am and have been since the conference! I seriously wouldn't waste my time posting on here if i wasn't passionate about Donny Rovers!
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Seems to me that the grestest service Gartom could do at the moment is to persuade JR and other members of the Board that reading this forum (or indeed any other fans' forum) is not a good idea for anyone professionally involved with the club.
And if the views of a small (if vocal and at times repetitive) minority on here really is the reason why directors have withdrawn their support (and nothing else) let's close the thing down, because there really isn't any point having a forum if people can't espouse different and maybe controversial opinions.
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Im fine to give it a rest, i hope he doesn't call it a day and all that, obviously! Just standing up for myself and putting my points across about how the minority on here (im guessing im part of that because i have stated on here many of times that i dont agree with the new regime/plan) can't seriously be to blame for them leaving Sir John in the shit!
I've said what i wanted to say on the matter though and i said i wouldn't post about McKay anymore because it just turns into petty arguments about who's right and who's wrong. And i'll no longer say my piece on this matter either!
Who knows, the resignations may be a blessing in disguise and the push we need?
You`d be wise to retract your allegation of lying, unless you`ve got irrefutable evidence of it!
He stated that Billy's release clause was £3million, no? Turns out it was much less than that! There's a lie for you.
Were you born stupid or have you had to work at it? The release clause goes down in line with length of contract left. This happens with all release clauses, not just Billys. I thought this was both public knowledge and, if not, bloody obvious. Do you think if he was still here next January (6 months left on his contract) that the release clause would still be £3m. Wake up. JR has not lied on this. The clause was £3m in the summer, hence Southampton bidding that to trigger it. It is now less as the length of contract is less.
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Look at it like this.
OUt of all 4 of them only 1 of them ever put much money in (Dick). SO it's not really the catastrophe that we're all going on about.
Someone else will possibly be found to replace them.
And to voice my thoughts on the constant badly thought out, negative, mostly from children, comments that seem to be the order of the day on here, I just think you ought to think before you type. Nothing wrong with voicing your opinions, but when it's for the 1000th time and is about an issue that most people I know find positive, you begin to become a thorn in the clubs side.
And I find it laughable how some of you think you actually know what's going on and what isn't at the club!! :laugh: :clapping: There are an awful lot of teenage boys on this forum. Stick to masturbating in your bedrooms instead of coming on here, it'll send yo ublind, but it'll cause less trouble.
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Look at it like this.
OUt of all 4 of them only 1 of them ever put much money in (Dick). SO it's not really the catastrophe that we're all going on about.
Agreed, and he left for medical reasons not alleged 'moaning'.
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And to voice my thoughts on the constant badly thought out, negative, mostly from children, comments that seem to be the order of the day on here, I just think you ought to think before you type. Nothing wrong with voicing your opinions, but when it's for the 1000th time and is about an issue that most people I know find positive, you begin to become a thorn in the clubs side.
And I find it laughable how some of you think you actually know what's going on and what isn't at the club!! :laugh: :clapping: There are an awful lot of teenage boys on this forum. Stick to masturbating in your bedrooms instead of coming on here, it'll send yo ublind, but it'll cause less trouble.
If you can see that, I find it odd that members of the Board, successful people in their own right, can't see it.
Also, this forum is not in any way unique. Go on any football forum in the country and you'll find the same level of ill-informed ranting, particularly when a club is going through a sticky patch on the field. That's why I say that anyone involved in the game in a professional capacity would be advised to steer well clear of such forums. I mean, iif you were a player and read some of the things posted on here in the aftermath of a defeat, you'd end up throwing your boots in a skip and taking a job stacking shelves at Asda!
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JR has stated he finds constant criticsm tiring and unwanted. It's fairly simple if you don't want him around keep on criticising, if you want him here cut him some slack as he's done wonders for us.
Look at it this way also, we keep hearing from the negatie lot all the bad things about what's going on, still we've not seen a credible alternative solution from them.
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Look at it like this.
OUt of all 4 of them only 1 of them ever put much money in (Dick). SO it's not really the catastrophe that we're all going on about.
Someone else will possibly be found to replace them.
And to voice my thoughts on the constant badly thought out, negative, mostly from children, comments that seem to be the order of the day on here, I just think you ought to think before you type. Nothing wrong with voicing your opinions, but when it's for the 1000th time and is about an issue that most people I know find positive, you begin to become a thorn in the clubs side.
And I find it laughable how some of you think you actually know what's going on and what isn't at the club!! :laugh: :clapping: There are an awful lot of teenage boys on this forum. Stick to masturbating in your bedrooms instead of coming on here, it'll send yo ublind, but it'll cause less trouble.
Not the way I have understood it Ben. The three of them but an equal amount in (or they split the debt 3 ways). Then Bramall decided to stop, how, why, when there has been plenty of speculation, maybe he fell out with SOD, maybe he saw a better use for his money, maybe he got fed up of being attacked on here for what he saw as charitable work whilst some people were looking for another motive, maybe it was the spiralling cost put against the declining performance. This meant JR, DW had either to put in more money themselves or cut costs (that means player sales) - or do what they did, which was look at WM's third way - and look where that has got us.
I reckon that millionaires willing to invest in Doncaster Rovers are pretty thin on the ground. How much was it that they needed to find this season £4 million? Thats without BS new contract, SOD payout. Start buying a few more lottery tickets Ben.
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Maybe some of the critics on here should take a long hard look at themselves!
Filo that post is totally uncalled for , this is a fans forum where free speech is allowed. These are 'hard nosed' businessmen and don't give a flying fook what's on here in the main.
Perhaps you should look at your self here instead of blaming the man on the street for the resignations of 4 directors.
As I see it ........we're ALL allowed to write our opinions, perhaps a post you made caused the directors to resign numpty. :angry:
Perhaps those critics were right all along and that's the rationale behind the resignations. :whistle:
Now I`m in from work i`ll respond properly.
First of all, i`m not a numpty, like wellred stated, and this goes for anyone, if the cap fits! I`m not saying censor peoples opinions, but there are one or two on here that have a clear agenda when it comes to recent decisions the board have made, they start multiple threads about the same thing, they can`t just voice their concerns and move on, no, they have to force feed us their opinions over and over again, to the point where people are pig sick of reading what they type, they can`t see beyond there nose end! it`s pathetic!
As for the directors not taking any notice of things on here, how can they? it was only a fortnight ago that there were posts about having protests, we even had someone organise a petition to protest about the way the directors were running the club, how would you feel if some one was trying to tell you how to spend your money? i hope the repetative negative posters, the organisers of the petition and the people that put their names to it are satisfied now, I`m sure they`ve got an alternative plan to finance the club!
Thanks for clarifying where your original comment was aimed. As a Moderator your explanation is appreciated.
I wonder if graingrover and Dickos1 share your views now or they still feel that posting the occasional criticism of decisions made by the board on here cause them to walk away from the club.
I dont support the protests, petitions or multiple threads about the same thing but there are a few on here, like myself, who do not feel we should constantly praise decisions which we dont agree with. Being accused for playing a part in the walk out of the directors is laughable. I have yet to hear the interview JR gave last night but I hope that this is not the reason he gave for them leaving. I'm sure it didnt help matters if protests were planned but the odd comment on here disagreeing with their decisions.... come on!!
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Look at it like this.
OUt of all 4 of them only 1 of them ever put much money in (Dick). SO it's not really the catastrophe that we're all going on about.
Someone else will possibly be found to replace them.
And to voice my thoughts on the constant badly thought out, negative, mostly from children, comments that seem to be the order of the day on here, I just think you ought to think before you type. Nothing wrong with voicing your opinions, but when it's for the 1000th time and is about an issue that most people I know find positive, you begin to become a thorn in the clubs side.
And I find it laughable how some of you think you actually know what's going on and what isn't at the club!! :laugh: :clapping: There are an awful lot of teenage boys on this forum. Stick to masturbating in your bedrooms instead of coming on here, it'll send yo ublind, but it'll cause less trouble.
Not the way I have understood it Ben. The three of them but an equal amount in (or they split the debt 3 ways). Then Bramall decided to stop, how, why, when there has been plenty of speculation, maybe he fell out with SOD, maybe he saw a better use for his money, maybe he got fed up of being attacked on here for what he saw as charitable work whilst some people were looking for another motive, maybe it was the spiralling cost put against the declining performance. This meant JR, DW had either to put in more money themselves or cut costs (that means player sales) - or do what they did, which was look at WM's third way - and look where that has got us.
I reckon that millionaires willing to invest in Doncaster Rovers are pretty thin on the ground. How much was it that they needed to find this season £4 million? Thats without BS new contract, SOD payout. Start buying a few more lottery tickets Ben.
Thats the way l see it and l don't see where the next multi-millionaire is coming from, isn't Patrick Cryne looking for someone to take over at Oakwell too, a club in the same area, bigger fan base and they will no debt at their club this year. Milan took over at SWFC mainly due to their potential and to make a fast buck and l'm sure that if someone wanted to take over at SUFC McCabe would gladly step aside, but these people are hard to come by, especially in the SY area.
This is a huge blow, Ryan's money alone will struggle to sustain a Championship club with £5 million debt and average attendance thats peaked and now dwindling down towards its normal numbers. Would League 1 be that bad? lose the revenue, agreed but a chance to sort out the wage bill and rebuild the side and get the debt in order.
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Hope you are proud mate, it could be that you and your kind have put these guys off pumping their money into a club with such idiotic 'fans'.
I'm very proud to have had the courage of my convictions to point out what I considered to be the weaknesses in the McKay strategy. I gave perfectly good reasons why it couldn't work in the hope it would be abandoned before it was too late. I'm not a sheep and will not toe the club line if I feel it is not in the best interests of the club.
If you really believe I have the power to stop them from putting money into the club then you need to get a grip. It's a poor excuse for why they've left and once again we are being kept in the dark.
Irrespective of why the \"Board Members\" left, why dont people like you Mick simply let the \"Board\" get on with running the club as they wish to. At the end of the day its their money that keeps DRFC going in its current form.
Reservations about aspects of running the club i am sure some have, i always had reservations about O'Driscol , but didnt harp on and on about him.
You say courage of convictions, i think dogmatic is more appropriate term.
How can you say anything is not in the best interest of the club, you are not on the inside looking out.
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Look at it like this.
OUt of all 4 of them only 1 of them ever put much money in (Dick). SO it's not really the catastrophe that we're all going on about.
Someone else will possibly be found to replace them.
And to voice my thoughts on the constant badly thought out, negative, mostly from children, comments that seem to be the order of the day on here, I just think you ought to think before you type. Nothing wrong with voicing your opinions, but when it's for the 1000th time and is about an issue that most people I know find positive, you begin to become a thorn in the clubs side.
And I find it laughable how some of you think you actually know what's going on and what isn't at the club!! :laugh: :clapping: There are an awful lot of teenage boys on this forum. Stick to masturbating in your bedrooms instead of coming on here, it'll send yo ublind, but it'll cause less trouble.
Not the way I have understood it Ben. The three of them but an equal amount in (or they split the debt 3 ways). Then Bramall decided to stop, how, why, when there has been plenty of speculation, maybe he fell out with SOD, maybe he saw a better use for his money, maybe he got fed up of being attacked on here for what he saw as charitable work whilst some people were looking for another motive, maybe it was the spiralling cost put against the declining performance. This meant JR, DW had either to put in more money themselves or cut costs (that means player sales) - or do what they did, which was look at WM's third way - and look where that has got us.
I reckon that millionaires willing to invest in Doncaster Rovers are pretty thin on the ground. How much was it that they needed to find this season £4 million? Thats without BS new contract, SOD payout. Start buying a few more lottery tickets Ben.
Thats the way l see it and l don't see where the next multi-millionaire is coming from, isn't Patrick Cryne looking for someone to take over at Oakwell too, a club in the same area, bigger fan base and they will no debt at their club this year. Milan took over at SWFC mainly due to their potential and to make a fast buck and l'm sure that if someone wanted to take over at SUFC McCabe would gladly step aside, but these people are hard to come by, especially in the SY area.
This is a huge blow, Ryan's money alone will struggle to sustain a Championship club with £5 million debt and average attendance thats peaked and now dwindling down towards its normal numbers. Would League 1 be that bad? lose the revenue, agreed but a chance to sort out the wage bill and rebuild the side and get the debt in order.
The Monaco consortium rumour that's gone about was interesting. Highly unlikely but one can't help but feel there may be more to Mckay etc than meets the eye. I know JR denied the fact last night, however he didn't seem all that convincing on it IMO. Fact is nobody takes over a football club to make money that's for sure.
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IMO some people do need to get a grip.
There is a big difference between coming on here after a game and either praising or slating certain players, the club etc depending if we win or loose.
Talking about improving our midfield, or saying that someone played a bit lazy is in no way the same as REPETATIVELY telling board members how they should spend their money. Claiming to know so much about business, but yet spout stats and not any constructive, real ideas.
Claim the WM scheme is not working, yet at home we are unbeaten and looking fitter and stronger and improved in skills (due to playing along side experienced players). Yes we lost at BC, but my god did you ever think they would ever come back in the 2nd half like they did. You can't say something isn't working until it FAILS and at the moment it isn't failing. I know we have a limited amount of time, but we knew what ever scheme we did would take time.
And if we run out and end up in L1, so be it. But still support the club you love.
So can we have less of the later and as norm with the former. Because yes, people have a right to their opinion, but some opinions aren't there to help, but just to inflame.
Please think about your motives before you give your opinion.
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IMO some people do need to get a grip.
There is a big difference between coming on here after a game and either praising or slating certain players, the club etc depending if we win or loose.
Talking about improving our midfield, or saying that someone played a bit lazy is in no way the same as REPETATIVELY telling board members how they should spend their money. Claiming to know so much about business, but yet spout stats and not any constructive, real ideas.
Claim the WM scheme is not working, yet at home we are unbeaten and looking fitter and stronger and improved in skills (due to playing along side experienced players). Yes we lost at BC, but my god did you ever think they would ever come back in the 2nd half like they did. You can't say something isn't working until it FAILS and at the moment it isn't failing. I know we have a limited amount of time, but we knew what ever scheme we did would take time.
And if we run out and end up in L1, so be it. But still support the club you love.So can we have less of the later and as norm with the former. Because yes, people have a right to their opinion, but some opinions aren't there to help, but just to inflame.
Please think about your motives before you give your opinion.
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And there it is!
I love the club! You love the club! John Ryan loves the club! Every single fan loves the club in their own way (Even Benaldo and Madmick)! Does anyone think Terry Bramall loves/loved the club? I dont!
Unfortunately, football is now a money game, and, in my opinion the biggest business in the world.
I honestly dont think John Ryan would want to see this club go down shit street, so basically, i dont think we'll be bringing many (if any) players in for the remainder of the transfer window! I think League 1 is looking more and more likely, but as people have said, our home form is decent and we're scoring some great goals! Also, Simon Gillett isn't playing too bad!
Give it a season or two in League 1 (Worst case scenario) and I believe (and hopefully every single one of you out there believe)that we will be back bigger, better, faster, stronger!
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KEEP THE FAITH!
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Look at it like this.
OUt of all 4 of them only 1 of them ever put much money in (Dick). SO it's not really the catastrophe that we're all going on about.
Someone else will possibly be found to replace them.
And to voice my thoughts on the constant badly thought out, negative, mostly from children, comments that seem to be the order of the day on here, I just think you ought to think before you type. Nothing wrong with voicing your opinions, but when it's for the 1000th time and is about an issue that most people I know find positive, you begin to become a thorn in the clubs side.
And I find it laughable how some of you think you actually know what's going on and what isn't at the club!! :laugh: :clapping: There are an awful lot of teenage boys on this forum. Stick to masturbating in your bedrooms instead of coming on here, it'll send yo ublind, but it'll cause less trouble.
Not the way I have understood it Ben. The three of them but an equal amount in (or they split the debt 3 ways). Then Bramall decided to stop, how, why, when there has been plenty of speculation, maybe he fell out with SOD, maybe he saw a better use for his money, maybe he got fed up of being attacked on here for what he saw as charitable work whilst some people were looking for another motive, maybe it was the spiralling cost put against the declining performance. This meant JR, DW had either to put in more money themselves or cut costs (that means player sales) - or do what they did, which was look at WM's third way - and look where that has got us.
I reckon that millionaires willing to invest in Doncaster Rovers are pretty thin on the ground. How much was it that they needed to find this season £4 million? Thats without BS new contract, SOD payout. Start buying a few more lottery tickets Ben.
Thats the way l see it and l don't see where the next multi-millionaire is coming from, isn't Patrick Cryne looking for someone to take over at Oakwell too, a club in the same area, bigger fan base and they will no debt at their club this year. Milan took over at SWFC mainly due to their potential and to make a fast buck and l'm sure that if someone wanted to take over at SUFC McCabe would gladly step aside, but these people are hard to come by, especially in the SY area.
This is a huge blow, Ryan's money alone will struggle to sustain a Championship club with £5 million debt and average attendance thats peaked and now dwindling down towards its normal numbers. Would League 1 be that bad? lose the revenue, agreed but a chance to sort out the wage bill and rebuild the side and get the debt in order.
The Monaco consortium rumour that's gone about was interesting. Highly unlikely but one can't help but feel there may be more to Mckay etc than meets the eye. I know JR denied the fact last night, however he didn't seem all that convincing on it IMO. Fact is nobody takes over a football club to make money that's for sure.
Andy nobody but nobody puts a stash of money into football to make a fast buck hence all the clubs virtually queueing up at the Administrators door. They do it for any of the following 3 reasons.....the love of the club, the kudos or for financial reasons.
Our Chairman does it for the love of the club and has been repaid many times by those that respect what he has done for us. He has always been admired, rarely criticised (except of late) and that is highly unusual for a Chairman to receive such adulation from the supporters.
Unfortunately fora are designed for folk to openly discuss different ideas to move the club forward , sometimes in an encouraging way and on occasions in a critical way.......it comes with the territory.
If this forum is to be of any use at all or of any interest to the users for that matter , then all sides MUST be heard. It's not for the Chairman to browbeat the loyal fans who may or may not agree with the methodology or actions of the club. Neither is it the position of moderators and others to berate or attempt to bully those that disagree with the current situation or any of the events of late. This is not what the VSC TRUST was put in place for, a trust is there to safeguard and improve the lot of it's members and to question the Board if necessary. After all shareholders (of the VSC) and supporters have every right to express their opinions they are not only the customers but shareholders in effect.
To suppress alternative opinions is a ridiculous state of affairs, totally undemocratic and would eventually lead not only to the death of this forum but eventually would prejudice the good work of the VSC itself!
I would urge those that disagree with repeated threads either pro or con the current strategy to not post on that thread just for repeated arguments sake. There are many on here who could argue in an empty room ...........ensure the room stays that way please.
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Look at it like this.
OUt of all 4 of them only 1 of them ever put much money in (Dick). SO it's not really the catastrophe that we're all going on about.
Someone else will possibly be found to replace them.
And to voice my thoughts on the constant badly thought out, negative, mostly from children, comments that seem to be the order of the day on here, I just think you ought to think before you type. Nothing wrong with voicing your opinions, but when it's for the 1000th time and is about an issue that most people I know find positive, you begin to become a thorn in the clubs side.
And I find it laughable how some of you think you actually know what's going on and what isn't at the club!! :laugh: :clapping: There are an awful lot of teenage boys on this forum. Stick to masturbating in your bedrooms instead of coming on here, it'll send yo ublind, but it'll cause less trouble.
Not the way I have understood it Ben. The three of them but an equal amount in (or they split the debt 3 ways). Then Bramall decided to stop, how, why, when there has been plenty of speculation, maybe he fell out with SOD, maybe he saw a better use for his money, maybe he got fed up of being attacked on here for what he saw as charitable work whilst some people were looking for another motive, maybe it was the spiralling cost put against the declining performance. This meant JR, DW had either to put in more money themselves or cut costs (that means player sales) - or do what they did, which was look at WM's third way - and look where that has got us.
I reckon that millionaires willing to invest in Doncaster Rovers are pretty thin on the ground. How much was it that they needed to find this season £4 million? Thats without BS new contract, SOD payout. Start buying a few more lottery tickets Ben.
Thats the way l see it and l don't see where the next multi-millionaire is coming from, isn't Patrick Cryne looking for someone to take over at Oakwell too, a club in the same area, bigger fan base and they will no debt at their club this year. Milan took over at SWFC mainly due to their potential and to make a fast buck and l'm sure that if someone wanted to take over at SUFC McCabe would gladly step aside, but these people are hard to come by, especially in the SY area.
This is a huge blow, Ryan's money alone will struggle to sustain a Championship club with £5 million debt and average attendance thats peaked and now dwindling down towards its normal numbers. Would League 1 be that bad? lose the revenue, agreed but a chance to sort out the wage bill and rebuild the side and get the debt in order.
The Monaco consortium rumour that's gone about was interesting. Highly unlikely but one can't help but feel there may be more to Mckay etc than meets the eye. I know JR denied the fact last night, however he didn't seem all that convincing on it IMO. Fact is nobody takes over a football club to make money that's for sure.
Andy nobody but nobody puts a stash of money into football to make a fast buck hence all the clubs virtually queueing up at the Administrators door. They do it for any of the following 3 reasons.....the love of the club, the kudos or for financial reasons.
Our Chairman does it for the love of the club and has been repaid many times by those that respect what he has done for us. He has always been admired, rarely criticised (except of late) and that is highly unusual for a Chairman to receive such adulation from the supporters.
Unfortunately fora are designed for folk to openly discuss different ideas to move the club forward , sometimes in an encouraging way and on occasions in a critical way.......it comes with the territory.
If this forum is to be of any use at all or of any interest to the users for that matter , then all sides MUST be heard. It's not for the Chairman to browbeat the loyal fans who may or may not agree with the methodology or actions of the club. Neither is it the position of moderators and others to berate or attempt to bully those that disagree with the current situation or any of the events of late. This is not what the VSC TRUST was put in place for, a trust is there to safeguard and improve the lot of it's members and to question the Board if necessary. After all shareholders (of the VSC) and supporters have every right to express their opinions they are not only the customers but shareholders in effect.
To suppress alternative opinions is a ridiculous state of affairs, totally undemocratic and would eventually lead not only to the death of this forum but eventually would prejudice the good work of the VSC itself!
I would urge those that disagree with repeated threads either pro or con the current strategy to not post on that thread just for repeated arguments sake. There are many on here who could argue in an empty room ...........ensure the room stays that way please.
I`m beginning to wonder whether you read what (this numpty) I type, I`ve never attempted to suppress, or Bully other posters into \"towing the party line\" as you so often accuse us of! You mention that we try to \"brow beat\" others into line, I suggest to you that it`s the other way around, the repeated negative posts by a minority are trying to brow beat the rest of the forum into their way of thinking. Now if you interpret that as you personally, then thats your problem, my original post was n`t aimed at you, the main perpetrators know who they are, but as Wellred said, \"if the cap fits\"
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Maybe some of the critics on here should take a long hard look at themselves!
Filo that post is totally uncalled for , this is a fans forum where free speech is allowed. These are 'hard nosed' businessmen and don't give a flying fook what's on here in the main.
Perhaps you should look at your self here instead of blaming the man on the street for the resignations of 4 directors.
As I see it ........we're ALL allowed to write our opinions, perhaps a post you made caused the directors to resign numpty. :angry:
Perhaps those critics were right all along and that's the rationale behind the resignations. :whistle:
Now I`m in from work i`ll respond properly.
First of all, i`m not a numpty, like wellred stated, and this goes for anyone, if the cap fits! I`m not saying censor peoples opinions, but there are one or two on here that have a clear agenda when it comes to recent decisions the board have made, they start multiple threads about the same thing, they can`t just voice their concerns and move on, no, they have to force feed us their opinions over and over again, to the point where people are pig sick of reading what they type, they can`t see beyond there nose end! it`s pathetic!
As for the directors not taking any notice of things on here, how can they? it was only a fortnight ago that there were posts about having protests, we even had someone organise a petition to protest about the way the directors were running the club, how would you feel if some one was trying to tell you how to spend your money? i hope the repetative negative posters, the organisers of the petition and the people that put their names to it are satisfied now, I`m sure they`ve got an alternative plan to finance the club!
Thanks for clarifying where your original comment was aimed. As a Moderator your explanation is appreciated.
I wonder if graingrover and Dickos1 share your views now or they still feel that posting the occasional criticism of decisions made by the board on here cause them to walk away from the club.
I dont support the protests, petitions or multiple threads about the same thing but there are a few on here, like myself, who do not feel we should constantly praise decisions which we dont agree with. Being accused for playing a part in the walk out of the directors is laughable. I have yet to hear the interview JR gave last night but I hope that this is not the reason he gave for them leaving. I'm sure it didnt help matters if protests were planned but the odd comment on here disagreeing with their decisions.... come on!!
If it was occasional criticism then you may have a point, but when it's every day, 7 days a week for 5 months then it's a step too far
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Look at it like this.
OUt of all 4 of them only 1 of them ever put much money in (Dick). SO it's not really the catastrophe that we're all going on about.
Someone else will possibly be found to replace them.
And to voice my thoughts on the constant badly thought out, negative, mostly from children, comments that seem to be the order of the day on here, I just think you ought to think before you type. Nothing wrong with voicing your opinions, but when it's for the 1000th time and is about an issue that most people I know find positive, you begin to become a thorn in the clubs side.
And I find it laughable how some of you think you actually know what's going on and what isn't at the club!! :laugh: :clapping: There are an awful lot of teenage boys on this forum. Stick to masturbating in your bedrooms instead of coming on here, it'll send yo ublind, but it'll cause less trouble.
Not the way I have understood it Ben. The three of them but an equal amount in (or they split the debt 3 ways). Then Bramall decided to stop, how, why, when there has been plenty of speculation, maybe he fell out with SOD, maybe he saw a better use for his money, maybe he got fed up of being attacked on here for what he saw as charitable work whilst some people were looking for another motive, maybe it was the spiralling cost put against the declining performance. This meant JR, DW had either to put in more money themselves or cut costs (that means player sales) - or do what they did, which was look at WM's third way - and look where that has got us.
I reckon that millionaires willing to invest in Doncaster Rovers are pretty thin on the ground. How much was it that they needed to find this season £4 million? Thats without BS new contract, SOD payout. Start buying a few more lottery tickets Ben.
Thats the way l see it and l don't see where the next multi-millionaire is coming from, isn't Patrick Cryne looking for someone to take over at Oakwell too, a club in the same area, bigger fan base and they will no debt at their club this year. Milan took over at SWFC mainly due to their potential and to make a fast buck and l'm sure that if someone wanted to take over at SUFC McCabe would gladly step aside, but these people are hard to come by, especially in the SY area.
This is a huge blow, Ryan's money alone will struggle to sustain a Championship club with £5 million debt and average attendance thats peaked and now dwindling down towards its normal numbers. Would League 1 be that bad? lose the revenue, agreed but a chance to sort out the wage bill and rebuild the side and get the debt in order.
The Monaco consortium rumour that's gone about was interesting. Highly unlikely but one can't help but feel there may be more to Mckay etc than meets the eye. I know JR denied the fact last night, however he didn't seem all that convincing on it IMO. Fact is nobody takes over a football club to make money that's for sure.
Andy nobody but nobody puts a stash of money into football to make a fast buck hence all the clubs virtually queueing up at the Administrators door. They do it for any of the following 3 reasons.....the love of the club, the kudos or for financial reasons.
Our Chairman does it for the love of the club and has been repaid many times by those that respect what he has done for us. He has always been admired, rarely criticised (except of late) and that is highly unusual for a Chairman to receive such adulation from the supporters.
Unfortunately fora are designed for folk to openly discuss different ideas to move the club forward , sometimes in an encouraging way and on occasions in a critical way.......it comes with the territory.
If this forum is to be of any use at all or of any interest to the users for that matter , then all sides MUST be heard. It's not for the Chairman to browbeat the loyal fans who may or may not agree with the methodology or actions of the club. Neither is it the position of moderators and others to berate or attempt to bully those that disagree with the current situation or any of the events of late. This is not what the VSC TRUST was put in place for, a trust is there to safeguard and improve the lot of it's members and to question the Board if necessary. After all shareholders (of the VSC) and supporters have every right to express their opinions they are not only the customers but shareholders in effect.
To suppress alternative opinions is a ridiculous state of affairs, totally undemocratic and would eventually lead not only to the death of this forum but eventually would prejudice the good work of the VSC itself!
I would urge those that disagree with repeated threads either pro or con the current strategy to not post on that thread just for repeated arguments sake. There are many on here who could argue in an empty room ...........ensure the room stays that
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Look at it like this.
OUt of all 4 of them only 1 of them ever put much money in (Dick). SO it's not really the catastrophe that we're all going on about.
Someone else will possibly be found to replace them.
And to voice my thoughts on the constant badly thought out, negative, mostly from children, comments that seem to be the order of the day on here, I just think you ought to think before you type. Nothing wrong with voicing your opinions, but when it's for the 1000th time and is about an issue that most people I know find positive, you begin to become a thorn in the clubs side.
And I find it laughable how some of you think you actually know what's going on and what isn't at the club!! :laugh: :clapping: There are an awful lot of teenage boys on this forum. Stick to masturbating in your bedrooms instead of coming on here, it'll send yo ublind, but it'll cause less trouble.
Not the way I have understood it Ben. The three of them but an equal amount in (or they split the debt 3 ways). Then Bramall decided to stop, how, why, when there has been plenty of speculation, maybe he fell out with SOD, maybe he saw a better use for his money, maybe he got fed up of being attacked on here for what he saw as charitable work whilst some people were looking for another motive, maybe it was the spiralling cost put against the declining performance. This meant JR, DW had either to put in more money themselves or cut costs (that means player sales) - or do what they did, which was look at WM's third way - and look where that has got us.
I reckon that millionaires willing to invest in Doncaster Rovers are pretty thin on the ground. How much was it that they needed to find this season £4 million? Thats without BS new contract, SOD payout. Start buying a few more lottery tickets Ben.
Thats the way l see it and l don't see where the next multi-millionaire is coming from, isn't Patrick Cryne looking for someone to take over at Oakwell too, a club in the same area, bigger fan base and they will no debt at their club this year. Milan took over at SWFC mainly due to their potential and to make a fast buck and l'm sure that if someone wanted to take over at SUFC McCabe would gladly step aside, but these people are hard to come by, especially in the SY area.
This is a huge blow, Ryan's money alone will struggle to sustain a Championship club with £5 million debt and average attendance thats peaked and now dwindling down towards its normal numbers. Would League 1 be that bad? lose the revenue, agreed but a chance to sort out the wage bill and rebuild the side and get the debt in order.
The Monaco consortium rumour that's gone about was interesting. Highly unlikely but one can't help but feel there may be more to Mckay etc than meets the eye. I know JR denied the fact last night, however he didn't seem all that convincing on it IMO. Fact is nobody takes over a football club to make money that's for sure.
Andy nobody but nobody puts a stash of money into football to make a fast buck hence all the clubs virtually queueing up at the Administrators door. They do it for any of the following 3 reasons.....the love of the club, the kudos or for financial reasons.
Our Chairman does it for the love of the club and has been repaid many times by those that respect what he has done for us. He has always been admired, rarely criticised (except of late) and that is highly unusual for a Chairman to receive such adulation from the supporters.
Unfortunately fora are designed for folk to openly discuss different ideas to move the club forward , sometimes in an encouraging way and on occasions in a critical way.......it comes with the territory.
If this forum is to be of any use at all or of any interest to the users for that matter , then all sides MUST be heard. It's not for the Chairman to browbeat the loyal fans who may or may not agree with the methodology or actions of the club. Neither is it the position of moderators and others to berate or attempt to bully those that disagree with the current situation or any of the events of late. This is not what the VSC TRUST was put in place for, a trust is there to safeguard and improve the lot of it's members and to question the Board if necessary. After all shareholders (of the VSC) and supporters have every right to express their opinions they are not only the customers but shareholders in effect.
To suppress alternative opinions is a ridiculous state of affairs, totally undemocratic and would eventually lead not only to the death of this forum but eventually would prejudice the good work of the VSC itself!
I would urge those that disagree with repeated threads either pro or con the current strategy to not post on that thread just for repeated arguments sake. There are many on here who could argue in an empty room ...........ensure the room stays that way please.
I`m beginning to wonder whether you read what (this numpty) I type, I`ve never attempted to suppress, or Bully other posters into \"towing the party line\" as you so often accuse us of! You mention that we try to \"brow beat\" others into line, I suggest to you that it`s the other way around, the repeated negative posts by a minority are trying to brow beat the rest of the forum into their way of thinking. Now if you interpret that as you personally, then thats your problem, my original post was n`t aimed at you, the main perpetrators know who they are, but as Wellred said, \"if the cap fits\"
First of all I was replying to BFYP's post attempting to stop all this nonsense and nowhere but nowhere in my post was there a mention of you Filo. Incidentally I know your original post wasn't aimed at me as I don't continually post negative posts re. JR on here.
It seems you haven't read my post for what it was and have taken it upon yourself to wear 'caps' all of a sudden.
Now can I reiterate that the paranoia from individuals from both sides of the argument (any argument) should stop, it's like being in a school playground ffs i.e. Madmick v dickos etc.
STOP IT..........we all love and support this club and have differing views, that's life.
You know as well as I do that four Directors don't pack up their bags and leave the same Board meetinf forever because of a few contrary posts on a forum. Stop making everyone feel bad (not you in particular) but everyone.
Time to move on have proper debate and look ahead........no ?
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Look at it like this.
OUt of all 4 of them only 1 of them ever put much money in (Dick). SO it's not really the catastrophe that we're all going on about.
Someone else will possibly be found to replace them.
And to voice my thoughts on the constant badly thought out, negative, mostly from children, comments that seem to be the order of the day on here, I just think you ought to think before you type. Nothing wrong with voicing your opinions, but when it's for the 1000th time and is about an issue that most people I know find positive, you begin to become a thorn in the clubs side.
And I find it laughable how some of you think you actually know what's going on and what isn't at the club!! :laugh: :clapping: There are an awful lot of teenage boys on this forum. Stick to masturbating in your bedrooms instead of coming on here, it'll send yo ublind, but it'll cause less trouble.
The irony in this post is too much.
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''it'll send yo ublind''......benaldo
I'm sure it was just a typo Steve lol.
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This forum used to be ok......
What you moaning idiots don't seem grasp (so I doubt any of you have been Rovers fans for over 5 years?) is that this is the best squad, ground, and WAS the best board, this club has ever had. AND we're playing in the highest league we've ever been in! I honestly, honestly feel appalled and disgusted sometimes at the moronic, and sometimes willfully manipulative comments on here about the club/board. You all know who you are and I hope you're all happy.
It makes me disgusted to be a Rovers fan :sick: I hope you are all happy - from Madmick offering his \"business advice\" and constantly going on and on about how bad things are (you're like a dripping tap madmick50) to the posse of hangers on and downbeats, to the old fashioned style moaners who used to grace belle vue mainstand.
None of you have helped the club in any way at all apart from paying to moan. I wonder what your home lives are like...mind you, most of you are still living at home I guess?
ANd the most ironic thing is this would probably never happened if this forum hadn't been put into use and then the idiots allowed to get away with commenting like they have!! The vsc may well have sunk drfc. All this \"fan power\" and \"let's buy shares to blah blah blah\" and \"two boxes schmoozing area so your guests can abuse people who are helping the club\" is quite honestly rubbish. Where are your shares getting you now eh? No-where is where.
And where is the hallowed \"vsc - JR/board\" relationship? Where was the input from the vsc to let the board know the true feeling of the majority of fans? Did it happen?
In case any of you forgot, none of the directors have to put a single penny in to the club ever. It's their money, not yours. They've done it out of good will.
ps How a group of 5/10 thicko's can disrupt a football club is beyond me.
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This forum used to be ok......
What you moaning idiots don't seem grasp (so I doubt any of you have been Rovers fans for over 5 years?) is that this is the best squad, ground, and WAS the best board, this club has ever had. AND we're playing in the highest league we've ever been in! I honestly, honestly feel appalled and disgusted sometimes at the moronic, and sometimes willfully manipulative comments on here about the club/board. You all know who you are and I hope you're all happy.
I totally agree with that sentiment!
Also, For it to make JR think about leaving his job, could it not be construed as a form of Cyber-Bullying towards JR/the board?
... Technically that must surely breach the VSC terms & Conditions!!
:scarf: :rtid: :scarf:
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This forum used to be ok......
What you moaning idiots don't seem grasp (so I doubt any of you have been Rovers fans for over 5 years?) is that this is the best squad, ground, and WAS the best board, this club has ever had. AND we're playing in the highest league we've ever been in! I honestly, honestly feel appalled and disgusted sometimes at the moronic, and sometimes willfully manipulative comments on here about the club/board. You all know who you are and I hope you're all happy.
It makes me disgusted to be a Rovers fan :sick: I hope you are all happy - from Madmick offering his \"business advice\" and constantly going on and on about how bad things are (you're like a dripping tap madmick50) to the posse of hangers on and downbeats, to the old fashioned style moaners who used to grace belle vue mainstand.
None of you have helped the club in any way at all apart from paying to moan. I wonder what your home lives are like...mind you, most of you are still living at home I guess?
ANd the most ironic thing is this would probably never happened if this forum hadn't been put into use and then the idiots allowed to get away with commenting like they have!! The vsc may well have sunk drfc. All this \"fan power\" and \"let's buy shares to blah blah blah\" and \"two boxes schmoozing area so your guests can abuse people who are helping the club\" is quite honestly rubbish. Where are your shares getting you now eh? No-where is where.
And where is the hallowed \"vsc - JR/board\" relationship? Where was the input from the vsc to let the board know the true feeling of the majority of fans? Did it happen?
In case any of you forgot, none of the directors have to put a single penny in to the club ever. It's their money, not yours. They've done it out of good will.
ps How a group of 5/10 thicko's can disrupt a football club is beyond me.
I`m not sure what you`re saying here, are you blaming the VSC? 5/10 posters? or everyone in general, I don`t know what you expect the VSC to do if a board member walks away, should we kidnap him freeze his assets and re distribute them? I know you`re angry, but lashing out at everyone is hardly going to help is it?
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You could be right Filo. I am angry.
For me, this is a combination of events (not that have to be 100% right)-
The hardcore of lunatics/miscreants on here.
The vsc \"guest\" abusing Mckay (is he next to walk? What then?)
The pressure of the league position.
The fact that as directors you do little more than pay money and take abuse.
If you believe JR, which I do, the small minority on here have encouraged 4 rich people to walk away from the club. That's that. They know who they are and they won't ever be able to deny it. They aren't rovers fans they are people who revel in chaos and bad things happening. I hope they drift off out of puberty (no way on earth is madmick50 over the age of 20) and into anther interest in their lives. Their hangers on are just too stupid to know the truth.
Edit - And like I said, the shares the vsc own, and the two corporate boxes you have access to are worth nothing right now are they. All the access to JR in the world hasn't stopped this and hasn't stopped him saying he feels like leaving. So, what good is that relationship? Is it more harmful than beneficial?
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Benaldo, your comments are very hypocritical!! I suppose it was perfectly acceptable to spout critiscm on here when it was aimed at SO'D, Hird, Friend etc.
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You could be right Filo. I am angry.
For me, this is a combination of events (not that have to be 100% right)-
The hardcore of lunatics/miscreants on here.
The vsc \"guest\" abusing Mckay (is he next to walk? What then?)
The pressure of the league position.
The fact that as directors you do little more than pay money and take abuse.
If you believe JR, which I do, the small minority on here have encouraged 4 rich people to walk away from the club. That's that. They know who they are and they won't ever be able to deny it. They aren't rovers fans they are people who revel in chaos and bad things happening. I hope they drift off out of puberty (no way on earth is madmick50 over the age of 20) and into anther interest in their lives. Their hangers on are just too stupid to know the truth.
Edit - And like I said, the shares the vsc own, and the two corporate boxes you have access to are worth nothing right now are they. All the access to JR in the world hasn't stopped this and hasn't stopped him saying he feels like leaving. So, what good is that relationship? Is it more harmful than beneficial?
I`d say now, more than ever when JR is alone, the last man standing the VSC are there for him to lean on, a shoulder to cry on if you like. The VSC can`t match the financial support the previous directors gave but as they say, every little helps and purchasing 2 boxes rather than have them empty is better than nothing, the VSC can`t legislate for guests acting on a whim, the Mckay incident was unfortunate but how can the VSC predict the actions of one individual?
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Benaldo, your comments are very hypocritical!! I suppose it was perfectly acceptable to spout critiscm on here when it was aimed at SO'D, Hird, Friend etc.
Duh.......:facepalm:
Saying George Friend is rubbish at football, or that SOD was out of ideas, or Hird was a cretin (before his now well publicised rise to stardom) is going to do what exactly? Make 4 directors leave? Harm the club? Put JR into the position that he wants to leave? Offers my \"business advice\" to him? Moans about Willie Mckay? Bleats on and on and on about our directors being up to no good all the time?
Think about your own contribution donnyroversfc.....I think a quick look back will see you've got your fingers in the shitty pie...... :thumbdown:
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But that is one of the downsides to be young Benny. They are too easily led. Maybe when he gets a bit older and wiser he might begin to see the error of his ways.
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Benaldo, your comments are very hypocritical!! I suppose it was perfectly acceptable to spout critiscm on here when it was aimed at SO'D, Hird, Friend etc.
Duh.......:facepalm:
Saying George Friend is rubbish at football, or that SOD was out of ideas, or Hird was a cretin (before his now well publicised rise to stardom) is going to do what exactly? Make 4 directors leave? Harm the club? Put JR into the position that he wants to leave? Offers my \"business advice\" to him? Moans about Willie Mckay? Bleats on and on and on about our directors being up to no good all the time?
Think about your own contribution donnyroversfc.....I think a quick look back will see you've got your fingers in the shitty pie...... :thumbdown:
Well it's hardly gunna help them is it! Certain players do read this forum so its hardly gunna help to see people like you slagging off their efforts to do the job they've been asked to!
Could argue that your comments alone about certain players had a destructive effect on the players and caused low morale which led to us being in the position we are in the league right now.
Although thats about as believable as a few critic comments on here causing 4 board members to resign.
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Benaldo, your comments are very hypocritical!! I suppose it was perfectly acceptable to spout critiscm on here when it was aimed at SO'D, Hird, Friend etc.
Duh.......:facepalm:
Saying George Friend is rubbish at football, or that SOD was out of ideas, or Hird was a cretin (before his now well publicised rise to stardom) is going to do what exactly? Make 4 directors leave? Harm the club? Put JR into the position that he wants to leave? Offers my \"business advice\" to him? Moans about Willie Mckay? Bleats on and on and on about our directors being up to no good all the time?
Think about your own contribution donnyroversfc.....I think a quick look back will see you've got your fingers in the shitty pie...... :thumbdown:
Well it's hardly gunna help them is it! Certain players do read this forum so its hardly gunna help to see people like you slagging off their efforts to do the job they've been asked to!
Could argue that your comments alone about certain players had a destructive effect on the players and caused low morale which led to us being in the position we are in the league right now.
Although thats about as believable as a few critic comments on here causing 4 board members to resign.
So what's it to be then? Comments on here are bad, or they aren't? I think you just argued yourself out of your own argument there kid. :laugh:
You know what's been said and by whom. Don't point the finger at people like me who support the current regime, look a little closer to home for the people that have been sticking the knife in to the club for the past 6 months!
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It's you that thinks criticising the club is so bad. Yet you took joy in telling us all how terrible Friend and Hird we're at their job (who as you know, are employees of the club).
Just because i dont support this current regime (what a great long term plan it seems to be!)Doesn't make me destructive. Contraversial decisions always cause people to have contraversial comments and a divide in opinion, the club should've expected that, not expect everyone to just lap it up and go along with it like everything is all rosey!
BTW, please don't tar me with the same brush as Madmick, he's clearly a WUM (him and his many alias's) He's making comments to get a reaction, which Dickos seems more than happy to give him. I'm just crap at putting my comments across in the way i mean it :laugh:
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You could be right Filo. I am angry.
For me, this is a combination of events (not that have to be 100% right)-
The hardcore of lunatics/miscreants on here.
The vsc \"guest\" abusing Mckay (is he next to walk? What then?)
The pressure of the league position.
The fact that as directors you do little more than pay money and take abuse.
If you believe JR, which I do, the small minority on here have encouraged 4 rich people to walk away from the club. That's that. They know who they are and they won't ever be able to deny it. They aren't rovers fans they are people who revel in chaos and bad things happening. I hope they drift off out of puberty (no way on earth is madmick50 over the age of 20) and into anther interest in their lives. Their hangers on are just too stupid to know the truth.
Edit - And like I said, the shares the vsc own, and the two corporate boxes you have access to are worth nothing right now are they. All the access to JR in the world hasn't stopped this and hasn't stopped him saying he feels like leaving. So, what good is that relationship? Is it more harmful than beneficial?
I'm pretty sure a couple of comments on an internet forum have forced 4 directors to leave a football club.
What.
A.
Tit.
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Look at it like this.
OUt of all 4 of them only 1 of them ever put much money in (Dick). SO it's not really the catastrophe that we're all going on about.
Someone else will possibly be found to replace them.
And to voice my thoughts on the constant badly thought out, negative, mostly from children, comments that seem to be the order of the day on here, I just think you ought to think before you type. Nothing wrong with voicing your opinions, but when it's for the 1000th time and is about an issue that most people I know find positive, you begin to become a thorn in the clubs side.
And I find it laughable how some of you think you actually know what's going on and what isn't at the club!! :laugh: :clapping: There are an awful lot of teenage boys on this forum. Stick to masturbating in your bedrooms instead of coming on here, it'll send yo ublind, but it'll cause less trouble.
Not the way I have understood it Ben. The three of them but an equal amount in (or they split the debt 3 ways). Then Bramall decided to stop, how, why, when there has been plenty of speculation, maybe he fell out with SOD, maybe he saw a better use for his money, maybe he got fed up of being attacked on here for what he saw as charitable work whilst some people were looking for another motive, maybe it was the spiralling cost put against the declining performance. This meant JR, DW had either to put in more money themselves or cut costs (that means player sales) - or do what they did, which was look at WM's third way - and look where that has got us.
I reckon that millionaires willing to invest in Doncaster Rovers are pretty thin on the ground. How much was it that they needed to find this season £4 million? Thats without BS new contract, SOD payout. Start buying a few more lottery tickets Ben.
Thats the way l see it and l don't see where the next multi-millionaire is coming from, isn't Patrick Cryne looking for someone to take over at Oakwell too, a club in the same area, bigger fan base and they will no debt at their club this year. Milan took over at SWFC mainly due to their potential and to make a fast buck and l'm sure that if someone wanted to take over at SUFC McCabe would gladly step aside, but these people are hard to come by, especially in the SY area.
This is a huge blow, Ryan's money alone will struggle to sustain a Championship club with £5 million debt and average attendance thats peaked and now dwindling down towards its normal numbers. Would League 1 be that bad? lose the revenue, agreed but a chance to sort out the wage bill and rebuild the side and get the debt in order.
The Monaco consortium rumour that's gone about was interesting. Highly unlikely but one can't help but feel there may be more to Mckay etc than meets the eye. I know JR denied the fact last night, however he didn't seem all that convincing on it IMO. Fact is nobody takes over a football club to make money that's for sure.
Andy nobody but nobody puts a stash of money into football to make a fast buck hence all the clubs virtually queueing up at the Administrators door. They do it for any of the following 3 reasons.....the love of the club, the kudos or for financial reasons.
Our Chairman does it for the love of the club and has been repaid many times by those that respect what he has done for us. He has always been admired, rarely criticised (except of late) and that is highly unusual for a Chairman to receive such adulation from the supporters.
Unfortunately fora are designed for folk to openly discuss different ideas to move the club forward , sometimes in an encouraging way and on occasions in a critical way.......it comes with the territory.
If this forum is to be of any use at all or of any interest to the users for that matter , then all sides MUST be heard. It's not for the Chairman to browbeat the loyal fans who may or may not agree with the methodology or actions of the club. Neither is it the position of moderators and others to berate or attempt to bully those that disagree with the current situation or any of the events of late. This is not what the VSC TRUST was put in place for, a trust is there to safeguard and improve the lot of it's members and to question the Board if necessary. After all shareholders (of the VSC) and supporters have every right to express their opinions they are not only the customers but shareholders in effect.
To suppress alternative opinions is a ridiculous state of affairs, totally undemocratic and would eventually lead not only to the death of this forum but eventually would prejudice the good work of the VSC itself!
I would urge those that disagree with repeated threads either pro or con the current strategy to not post on that thread just for repeated arguments sake. There are many on here who could argue in an empty room ...........ensure the room stays that way please.
Steve, we don't want to supress opinion far from it, I've plenty of those as you know. What frustrates me is not the stating of opinions and discussion, it's the constant agendas, bickering and repetition of the same things that frustrate me. Yes by all means make a point, but don't make it become an agenda where it's almost as if these people want it to happen to be proven correct. In the past we've all had opinions that have turned out wrong, I thought SOD was the right man a few months back I was wrong on that. On the other hand at times I was heavily critical of some of his methods and made that point. What I didn't want was them to fail and that's where the line is crossed. I'm very much a traditional 2 wingers playing off a strong striker fan in footballing terms and like to see pace in the team, but that didn't stop me wanting SOD's methods to succeed even if I felt they weren't the right style for out situation.
A similar example is now. I like Diouf but currently I don't think he's the right persona for our situation. His talent and work rate isn't an issue it's the aura he brings with him away from home and it riles up the home crowds and referees, we don't need that. Harsh it is but I feel it's an issue for the team particularly away from home. However, whilst he's here and playing I hope he proves that feeling wrong and becomes massive for us, even if personally I don't feel he's right for the team right now (I'd use Bennett's pace to give more balance). But I won't keep banging on about it I'll support the guy and Saunders for picking him. That is the difference, it's not about cutting off that opinion it's about making it and then making the best of the situation by supporting all you can. Geez if I kept making my points at work about things I don't agree with I'd be sacked, sometimes the best option is to make the point and leave it at that.
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Jeez can't we just stop all this, we're in a mess and throwing blame about whether it be to individual/collective posters, the VSC forum or the VSC hospitality episode is hardly going to mend all this is it !
Ffs everybody stop looking for scapegoats, pull together both on and off the Terraces........we've got a club to support.
There are a lot of 'kneejerk' reactions going on here, just show that JR has your support and let's get on with saving not only our season but our club can we ?
All Rovers supporters both young and old, pro and con the new strategy or individuals have got a job to do and all this angst is not going to help.
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It'll never work hoolahoop.
If people aren't happy clappy then you get shot down down a lead fcuking balloon. If you have a differing opinion to either:
a) the majority
b) a figurehead of the forum
you are seen as the anti-christ. Always has been and always will be this way.
Oh, if you don't support the club in 100% of the ways that it does things then you're not a true supporter. Also, if you haven't been to every game since 1972 (even if you were born after, THERE'S NO fcukING EXCUSES) you're not a true supporter. If you have a problem with McKay because the main reason he's here is to make money - he hasn't put any money into the club so he can up off and fcuk whenever he likes leaving us in bigger shit than we're already in, you get shot down because he's seen as a God on this forum for some f**king reason.
I support the club, but some decisions taken over the past fcuking year have been mindblowing to say the least. I would rather us lose a fighting battle and get relegated than stay up by the skin of our teeth with shit loads of debt and no chance in hell of repaying them any time soon. This includes the stadium, players we can't afford etc. We need a sustainable club. The TOWN needs a sustainable club.
Oh, I apologise for ranting. I also apologise for having a differing opinion to most. I'm sure another member of DRFC will read this post and want to quit. What dicks.
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Sadly you are right on most counts Adam :( but you have to try. There isn't a person on here that can't in his heart of hearts have some reservations on what's happened over the last year or two and you're right they have a right to be heard rather than follow some sort of partyline. Sometimes this place reminds me of how the Germans must have had to think in the 30's.
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Adam, I can think of other reasons why certain posters get \"shot down\". :facepalm:
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Sadly you are right on most counts Adam :( but you have to try. There isn't a person on here that can't in his heart of hearts have some reservations on what's happened over the last year or two and you're right they have a right to be heard rather than follow some sort of partyline. Sometimes this place reminds me of how the Germans must have had to think in the 30's.
Really? You're now comparing this open, public forum that doesn't censor anyone's posts to propaganda driven Nazi Germany? :facepalm:
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Oh, if you don't support the club in 100% of the ways that it does things then you're not a true supporter. Also, if you haven't been to every game since 1972 (even if you were born after, THERE'S NO fcukING EXCUSES) you're not a true supporter.
too often that is true and a big reason for such small crowds
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Adam, I can think of other reasons why certain posters get \"shot down\". :facepalm:
... because they have a differing opinion to you.
That is it.
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Come on Rob it was slightly tongue in cheek, must admit I forgot the winky thing though . Like the Nazi type salute at the end of your post though..........see you're getting in to the gist of things too. ;)(remembered this time ;))
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Sometimes this place reminds me of how the Germans must have had to think in the 30's.
Really? You're now comparing this open, public forum that doesn't censor anyone's posts to propaganda driven Nazi Germany? :facepalm:
It's taken 10 pages, but Mike is right again. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law)
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Sometimes this place reminds me of how the Germans must have had to think in the 30's.
Really? You're now comparing this open, public forum that doesn't censor anyone's posts to propaganda driven Nazi Germany? :facepalm:
It's taken 10 pages, but Mike is right again. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law)
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
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It'll never work hoolahoop.
If people aren't happy clappy then you get shot down down a lead fcuking balloon. If you have a differing opinion to either:
a) the majority
b) a figurehead of the forum
you are seen as the anti-christ. Always has been and always will be this way.
Oh, if you don't support the club in 100% of the ways that it does things then you're not a true supporter. Also, if you haven't been to every game since 1972 (even if you were born after, THERE'S NO fcukING EXCUSES) you're not a true supporter. If you have a problem with McKay because the main reason he's here is to make money - he hasn't put any money into the club so he can up off and fcuk whenever he likes leaving us in bigger shit than we're already in, you get shot down because he's seen as a God on this forum for some fcuking reason.
I support the club, but some decisions taken over the past fcuking year have been mindblowing to say the least. I would rather us lose a fighting battle and get relegated than stay up by the skin of our teeth with shit loads of debt and no chance in hell of repaying them any time soon. This includes the stadium, players we can't afford etc. We need a sustainable club. The TOWN needs a sustainable club.
Oh, I apologise for ranting. I also apologise for having a differing opinion to most. I'm sure another member of DRFC will read this post and want to quit. What dicks.
To use one of the VSC propaganda machine's favourite lines; \"post of the year\".
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I don't know if it was fans who were the cause of the 4 directors leaving but I know they have been the cause of one potential investor not wanting to get involved with putting finances into Rovers. It is a pity really, the person I am talking about makes Mr Bramall look a relatively poor person.
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I don't know if it was fans who were the cause of the 4 directors leaving but I know they have been the cause of one potential investor not wanting to get involved with putting finances into Rovers. It is a pity really, the person I am talking about makes Mr Bramall look a relatively poor person.
Kirkham.
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I don't know if it was fans who were the cause of the 4 directors leaving but I know they have been the cause of one potential investor not wanting to get involved with putting finances into Rovers. It is a pity really, the person I am talking about makes Mr Bramall look a relatively poor person.
I guess this person decided against getting involved in football altogether then?
I'm not sure who JR and some fans are criticising. Is it those who disagree with the sacking of O'Driscoll and the arrival of Saunders and McKay? Or is it the fans who supposedly moan at everything the club does? I have to say that I'm very disappointed in the way people feel that they must apologise for having an opinion (in regards to the first group I mentioned).
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\"We have reached an era that you just have to ask questions to become an enemy of the state. Remember, it's okay to ask questions.\" - Anonymous.
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Benaldo, your comments are very hypocritical!! I suppose it was perfectly acceptable to spout critiscm on here when it was aimed at SO'D, Hird, Friend etc.
Duh.......:facepalm:
Saying George Friend is rubbish at football, or that SOD was out of ideas, or Hird was a cretin (before his now well publicised rise to stardom) is going to do what exactly? Make 4 directors leave? Harm the club? Put JR into the position that he wants to leave? Offers my \"business advice\" to him? Moans about Willie Mckay? Bleats on and on and on about our directors being up to no good all the time?
Think about your own contribution donnyroversfc.....I think a quick look back will see you've got your fingers in the shitty pie...... :thumbdown:
I think Benaldo should not be allowed to post on here as he has lived LONGER IN BARNSLEY THAN IN DONCASTER. That's right. Benaldo is a DINGLE.
Get rid of him, cast him out, banish him. Be gone foul demon. Go! Go!
(this was a joke)
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I don't know if it was fans who were the cause of the 4 directors leaving but I know they have been the cause of one potential investor not wanting to get involved with putting finances into Rovers. It is a pity really, the person I am talking about makes Mr Bramall look a relatively poor person.
Funny isn't it? One minute our fans are apathetic, the next they're such a bunch of vituperative spitfires that no-one would want to be a director.
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I don't know if it was fans who were the cause of the 4 directors leaving but I know they have been the cause of one potential investor not wanting to get involved with putting finances into Rovers. It is a pity really, the person I am talking about makes Mr Bramall look a relatively poor person.
Funny isn't it? One minute our fans are apathetic, the next they're such a bunch of vituperative spitfires that no-one would want to be a director.
If this was Facebook I would 'like' that comment. But it isn't so I can't.
(But I do like that comment)
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I don't know if it was fans who were the cause of the 4 directors leaving but I know they have been the cause of one potential investor not wanting to get involved with putting finances into Rovers. It is a pity really, the person I am talking about makes Mr Bramall look a relatively poor person.
Funny isn't it? One minute our fans are apathetic, the next they're such a bunch of vituperative spitfires that no-one would want to be a director.
If this was Facebook I would 'like' that comment. But it isn't so I can't.
(But I do like that comment)
I will not reveal who it is because I respect his privacy but Gartom knows who I am talking about as I have tried to get him to talk to him. He doesn't like the way fans expect the directors to put their money in and find every opportunity to moan about anything and everything the directors try to do to help the club.
I can understand what he means as when I first used this site I came to suggest a venue for refreshments before an away game. Immediately I was jumped upon by members asking what was I gaining from it. I was accused of owning the premises, getting commission from the owners and I can't remember what else. Why does it matter who gets what if they are trying to help you. I wasn't getting anything from it.
When John Ryan or anybody else appointed to the club by JR are doing their best for the club why keep questioning there motives? They are doing their best for the fans with their own money. Put a few million into the club yourself and then maybe question what is happening with your money.
As for the person who hasn't come forward to throw his money at Donny, no I can't see him investing in another club as he has been a Donny fan since 1946.
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Now they've been proven to be effective, can we now start another petition to get an Arab sheik in?
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Well it woked for Oz in Aufwidersein Pet,when he sold transporter bridge to native Amercans.
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So in a nutshell, are we saying that the 4 directors have left because of negative comments from supporters?
If so, I'm sorry, but I don't buy that.
I reckon it's more likely that JR & the others have had a difference of opinion over the current/future role of a certain person at the club..
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So in a nutshell, are we saying that the 4 directors have left because of negative comments from supporters?
If so, I'm sorry, but I don't buy that.
I reckon it's more likely that JR & the others have had a difference of opinion over the current/future role of a certain person at the club..
I would be inclined to agree with you, perhaps they've all gone for interviews for an Italian cruise ship captain. :laugh:
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So in a nutshell, are we saying that the 4 directors have left because of negative comments from supporters?
If so, I'm sorry, but I don't buy that.
I reckon it's more likely that JR & the others have had a difference of opinion over the current/future role of a certain person at the club..
Bingo.
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So in a nutshell, are we saying that the 4 directors have left because of negative comments from supporters?
If so, I'm sorry, but I don't buy that.
I reckon it's more likely that JR & the others have had a difference of opinion over the current/future role of a certain person at the club..
Bingo.
My biggest concern at the moment is if the reason they have left is not to do with the supporters moaning, then John Ryan's comments last night were unwarranted and has created a \"your either with us or against us\" attitude.
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Some people just don't know when to stop do they.
You really are being soooo helpful in the current climate and uncertain situation aren't you.
If I was JR I might be inclined to f**k you I'm off. But of course that would probably be Willie McKay or Dean Saunders fault wouldn't it.
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I don't know if it was fans who were the cause of the 4 directors leaving but I know they have been the cause of one potential investor not wanting to get involved with putting finances into Rovers. It is a pity really, the person I am talking about makes Mr Bramall look a relatively poor person.
Funny isn't it? One minute our fans are apathetic, the next they're such a bunch of vituperative spitfires that no-one would want to be a director.
If this was Facebook I would 'like' that comment. But it isn't so I can't.
(But I do like that comment)
I will not reveal who it is because I respect his privacy but Gartom knows who I am talking about as I have tried to get him to talk to him. He doesn't like the way fans expect the directors to put their money in and find every opportunity to moan about anything and everything the directors try to do to help the club.
I can understand what he means as when I first used this site I came to suggest a venue for refreshments before an away game. Immediately I was jumped upon by members asking what was I gaining from it. I was accused of owning the premises, getting commission from the owners and I can't remember what else. Why does it matter who gets what if they are trying to help you. I wasn't getting anything from it.
When John Ryan or anybody else appointed to the club by JR are doing their best for the club why keep questioning there motives? They are doing their best for the fans with their own money. Put a few million into the club yourself and then maybe question what is happening with your money.
As for the person who hasn't come forward to throw his money at Donny, no I can't see him investing in another club as he has been a Donny fan since 1946.
Fans of all clubs moan about their Directors and tbf I think we are probably the most 'accepting' bunch around. We sing the praises of JR and the other shareholders constantly and always have done except on a few occasions. We are loyal to our managers and are not known for causing riots, protests etc
If this person was really ever interested in investing in the club he has loved for so many years .........there would be little or nothing to dissuade him from doing so.
I believe on that basis that it must be purely talk without any intention whatsoever. Ask McCabe, Bates, Sugar and a long list of other owners/Chairmen what real haranguing is about. :whistle:
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I don't know if it was fans who were the cause of the 4 directors leaving but I know they have been the cause of one potential investor not wanting to get involved with putting finances into Rovers. It is a pity really, the person I am talking about makes Mr Bramall look a relatively poor person.
Funny isn't it? One minute our fans are apathetic, the next they're such a bunch of vituperative spitfires that no-one would want to be a director.
If this was Facebook I would 'like' that comment. But it isn't so I can't.
(But I do like that comment)
I will not reveal who it is because I respect his privacy but Gartom knows who I am talking about as I have tried to get him to talk to him. He doesn't like the way fans expect the directors to put their money in and find every opportunity to moan about anything and everything the directors try to do to help the club.
I can understand what he means as when I first used this site I came to suggest a venue for refreshments before an away game. Immediately I was jumped upon by members asking what was I gaining from it. I was accused of owning the premises, getting commission from the owners and I can't remember what else. Why does it matter who gets what if they are trying to help you. I wasn't getting anything from it.
When John Ryan or anybody else appointed to the club by JR are doing their best for the club why keep questioning there motives? They are doing their best for the fans with their own money. Put a few million into the club yourself and then maybe question what is happening with your money.
As for the person who hasn't come forward to throw his money at Donny, no I can't see him investing in another club as he has been a Donny fan since 1946.
Fans of all clubs moan about their Directors and tbf I think we are probably the most 'accepting' bunch around. We sing the praises of JR and the other shareholders constantly and always have done except on a few occasions. We are loyal to our managers and are not known for causing riots, protests etc
If this person was really ever interested in investing in the club he has loved for so many years .........there would be little or nothing to dissuade him from doing so.
I believe on that basis that it must be purely talk without any intention whatsoever. Ask McCabe, Bates, Sugar and a long list of other owners/Chairmen wqhat real haranguing is about. :whistle:
That obviously doesn't include some of the people who post on here then.
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Some people just don't know when to stop do they.
You really are being soooo helpful in the current climate and uncertain situation aren't you.
If I was JR I might be inclined to f**k you I'm off. But of course that would probably be Willie McKay or Dean Saunders fault wouldn't it.
This is not me being critical, I will forever be in debt to John Ryan to what he has done for our club. But in the past 5/6 months something has happened we are given one story then a couple of weeks later another story emerges, I am just saying I hope this isn't the case this time around...
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Because you was always loyal to our managers weren't you Wellred.
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Because you was always loyal to our managers weren't you Wellred.
Great reply, 8.9.10 and out. :boxing:
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I don't know if it was fans who were the cause of the 4 directors leaving but I know they have been the cause of one potential investor not wanting to get involved with putting finances into Rovers. It is a pity really, the person I am talking about makes Mr Bramall look a relatively poor person.
Funny isn't it? One minute our fans are apathetic, the next they're such a bunch of vituperative spitfires that no-one would want to be a director.
If this was Facebook I would 'like' that comment. But it isn't so I can't.
(But I do like that comment)
I will not reveal who it is because I respect his privacy but Gartom knows who I am talking about as I have tried to get him to talk to him. He doesn't like the way fans expect the directors to put their money in and find every opportunity to moan about anything and everything the directors try to do to help the club.
I can understand what he means as when I first used this site I came to suggest a venue for refreshments before an away game. Immediately I was jumped upon by members asking what was I gaining from it. I was accused of owning the premises, getting commission from the owners and I can't remember what else. Why does it matter who gets what if they are trying to help you. I wasn't getting anything from it.
When John Ryan or anybody else appointed to the club by JR are doing their best for the club why keep questioning there motives? They are doing their best for the fans with their own money. Put a few million into the club yourself and then maybe question what is happening with your money.
As for the person who hasn't come forward to throw his money at Donny, no I can't see him investing in another club as he has been a Donny fan since 1946.
Fans of all clubs moan about their Directors and tbf I think we are probably the most 'accepting' bunch around. We sing the praises of JR and the other shareholders constantly and always have done except on a few occasions. We are loyal to our managers and are not known for causing riots, protests etc
If this person was really ever interested in investing in the club he has loved for so many years .........there would be little or nothing to dissuade him from doing so.
I believe on that basis that it must be purely talk without any intention whatsoever. Ask McCabe, Bates, Sugar and a long list of other owners/Chairmen wqhat real haranguing is about. :whistle:
That obviously doesn't include some of the people who post on here then.
c.90% of the respondents to a poll on this website were still backing O'Driscoll after 19 win-less games. I cannot remember seeing anyone personally abuse John Ryan or the other directors on here.
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This whole episode is a crying shame.
I have my reservations about the McKay project. However, as someone who knows John personally, I know he would never do anything without the best intentions for the club. He always has. We dropped into the conference and he bought the club. He got Trevor Milton on board, excellent experience of the lower leagues and a great network of contacts to help us pick up some great little players. He got Terry Bramall and Dick Watson on board to help with the investment that was needed to push us on to the Championship. And now he has turned to McKay at a time when we are haemmorhaging money, with 2 directors who (perfectly acceptably) didn't want to keep pouring money into a black whole. Like I say, I have my reservations but John thinks it's our best shot. It might fail and we may go down. It appears that some might enjoy that, who the lower leagues were more fun, and that's their prerogative.
Personally I love playing in the Championship. I loved going to Derby and shutting up 33,000 who thought they still belonged in the Premiership. But then I loved going to Rushden and Diamonds and seeing it as our cup final. Even when we lost. I loved it because I love the club. I will whichever league we are in, whoever is in charge, whoever is on the board. I will have my gripes at times but at the end of the day I will support the team because I love this club. And so does John. Cut him open and he will bleed red and white. I truly hoper that his relationship with the club doesn't sour, because he doesn't deserve that. He deserves an enduring legacy as a hero.
Can we please just put aside the in-fighting. Everyone who has reservations against the McKay strategy isn't a heretic. Everyone behind it isn't a happy clapper. There are a few people who have drawn a line in the sand and will not listen to any arguments the other way. Although it may be an exaggeration to say it is poisoning the club, it's certainly posioning this board.
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\"We have reached an era that you just have to ask questions to become an enemy of the state. Remember, it's okay to ask questions.\" - Anonymous.
Mate, thats ridiculous, as is the repetition on here.
If people ask questions there's no problem.
What happens too frequently amongst reasonable questions and debate is rumour and speculation, mainly way off the mark. Also statements of fear, worry and even paranoia. Add to this people who are unable to ask a question, rather they nag on and on. Its like kids in the back seat of a car, \"Are we there yet?\" every feckin 5 minutes. Though unlike those kids who are excited about where we may me going, its more like \"I'm not sure dad put petrol in, think it was diesel. My mates dads brothers postman saw dad put deisel in once. We're going to break down, and we'll be eaten by gila monsters.\" or \"This car is old, the seats will fall through the floor, don't go so fast dad, why did you get this car, you're supposed to be looking after us not killing us\" or blah blah blah... get a grip folks and enjoy the ride.
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Neither can I Chris, there are far too many precious folk about. The odd lunatic does not an asylum make (anon).....me really ;)
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This whole episode is a crying shame.
I have my reservations about the McKay project. However, as someone who knows John personally, I know he would never do anything without the best intentions for the club. He always has. We dropped into the conference and he bought the club. He got Trevor Milton on board, excellent experience of the lower leagues and a great network of contacts to help us pick up some great little players. He got Terry Bramall and Dick Watson on board to help with the investment that was needed to push us on to the Championship. And now he has turned to McKay at a time when we are haemmorhaging money, with 2 directors who (perfectly acceptably) didn't want to keep pouring money into a black whole. Like I say, I have my reservations but John thinks it's our best shot. It might fail and we may go down. It appears that some might enjoy that, who the lower leagues were more fun, and that's their prerogative.
Personally I love playing in the Championship. I loved going to Derby and shutting up 33,000 who thought they still belonged in the Premiership. But then I loved going to Rushden and Diamonds and seeing it as our cup final. Even when we lost. I loved it because I love the club. I will whichever league we are in, whoever is in charge, whoever is on the board. I will have my gripes at times but at the end of the day I will support the team because I love this club. And so does John. Cut him open and he will bleed red and white. I truly hoper that his relationship with the club doesn't sour, because he doesn't deserve that. He deserves an enduring legacy as a hero.
Can we please just put aside the in-fighting. Everyone who has reservations against the McKay strategy isn't a heretic. Everyone behind it isn't a happy clapper. There are a few people who have drawn a line in the sand and will not listen to any arguments the other way. Although it may be an exaggeration to say it is poisoning the club, it's certainly posioning this board.
Bang on. f**king bang on. I respect the opinions of both sides and the right for them to be said (albeit hearing the same one 1,257 times is tedious) but this is serious stuff now. Dozens of chairmen walk round with their heads up their arses oblivious of fans feelings and we have one so commited to the club he goes out the way to read this forum and digest the views of each and every one of us. It's all a bit raw at the moment and I would imagine the full facts/implications won't be known for a while so wild speculation doesn't help anyone.
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So in a nutshell, are we saying that the 4 directors have left because of negative comments from supporters?
If so, I'm sorry, but I don't buy that.
I reckon it's more likely that JR & the others have had a difference of opinion over the current/future role of a certain person at the club..
This is the exact sort of comment that [strike]is[/strike] was p*ssing off the board.
What you reckon and what is fact are two different things. JR has said, live on radio, the reason why the board have left.
What is the point of unfounded speculation that might be the furthest thing from the truth. Did you listen to the programme. If not there is a link on here somewhere (sorry still haven't learnt to do one) Listen again to what the man says. :headbang:
If you still don't believe him - look for the man on the grassy knoll, wearing silver foil on his head. he knows the truth :whistle:
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\"We have reached an era that you just have to ask questions to become an enemy of the state. Remember, it's okay to ask questions.\" - Anonymous.
Mate, thats ridiculous, as is the repetition on here.
If people ask questions there's no problem.
What happens too frequently amongst reasonable questions and debate is rumour and speculation, mainly way off the mark. Also statements of fear, worry and even paranoia. Add to this people who are unable to ask a question, rather they nag on and on. Its like kids in the back seat of a car, \"Are we there yet?\" every feckin 5 minutes. Though unlike those kids who are excited about where we may me going, its more like \"I'm not sure dad put petrol in, think it was diesel. My mates dads brothers postman saw dad put deisel in once. We're going to break down, and we'll be eaten by gila monsters.\" or \"This car is old, the seats will fall through the floor, don't go so fast dad, why did you get this car, you're supposed to be looking after us not killing us\" or blah blah blah... get a grip folks and enjoy the ride.
You have summed this forum up perfectly
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Because you was always loyal to our managers weren't you Wellred.
Great reply, 8.9.10 and out. :boxing:
I will be the first to admit I wasn't ALWAYS loyal to the previous Manager but then unlike both of you two I wasn't 100% against him from the word go.
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Because you was always loyal to our managers weren't you Wellred.
Great reply, 8.9.10 and out. :boxing:
I will be the first to admit I wasn't ALWAYS loyal to the previous Manager but then unlike both of you two I wasn't 100% against him from the word go.
Again, I don't think people are completely against Dean Saunders. I haven't seen or heard anyone calling for him to be sacked immediately.
The situation with O'Driscoll was handled very poorly by the club and people still have questions that have yet to be answered. That doesn't mean these people are 100% anti-Saunders. Far from it too, I imagine.
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Because you was always loyal to our managers weren't you Wellred.
Great reply, 8.9.10 and out. :boxing:
I will be the first to admit I wasn't ALWAYS loyal to the previous Manager but then unlike both of you two I wasn't 100% against him from the word go.
Come on lighten up Wellred, I was pro SO'D from the beginning. Incidentally I wasn't anti Dean Saunders either from the start but his tactical skills worry me to death at times but I'll give it a go.
Whatever made you think I didn't admire Sean.......find me the post :laugh:
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Because you was always loyal to our managers weren't you Wellred.
Great reply, 8.9.10 and out. :boxing:
I will be the first to admit I wasn't ALWAYS loyal to the previous Manager but then unlike both of you two I wasn't 100% against him from the word go.
Again, I don't think people are completely against Dean Saunders. I haven't seen or heard anyone calling for him to be sacked immediately.
The situation with O'Driscoll was handled very poorly by the club and people still have questions that have yet to be answered. That doesn't mean these people are 100% anti-Saunders. Far from it too, I imagine.
If you don't think that there isn't anyone being completely against Saunders and McKay then I suggest you must have hiding in a forest.
As for the situation with O'Driscoll how many times do you have to be told?
I think it is more a case some people don't believe what JR is saying.
I heard what John said at a meeting at the stadium and I for one accept his explanation of the events that happened that particular week.
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Because you was always loyal to our managers weren't you Wellred.
Great reply, 8.9.10 and out. :boxing:
I will be the first to admit I wasn't ALWAYS loyal to the previous Manager but then unlike both of you two I wasn't 100% against him from the word go.
Again, I don't think people are completely against Dean Saunders. I haven't seen or heard anyone calling for him to be sacked immediately.
The situation with O'Driscoll was handled very poorly by the club and people still have questions that have yet to be answered. That doesn't mean these people are 100% anti-Saunders. Far from it too, I imagine.
If you don't think that there isn't anyone being completely against Saunders and McKay then I suggest you must have hiding in a forest.
As for the situation with O'Driscoll how many times do you have to be told?
I think it is more a case some people don't believe what JR is saying.
I heard what John said at a meeting at the stadium and I for one accept his explanation of the events that happened that particular week.
I said Saunders, not McKay and Saunders.
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\"We have reached an era that you just have to ask questions to become an enemy of the state. Remember, it's okay to ask questions.\" - Anonymous.
Mate, thats ridiculous, as is the repetition on here.
If people ask questions there's no problem.
What happens too frequently amongst reasonable questions and debate is rumour and speculation, mainly way off the mark. Also statements of fear, worry and even paranoia. Add to this people who are unable to ask a question, rather they nag on and on. Its like kids in the back seat of a car, \"Are we there yet?\" every feckin 5 minutes. Though unlike those kids who are excited about where we may me going, its more like \"I'm not sure dad put petrol in, think it was diesel. My mates dads brothers postman saw dad put deisel in once. We're going to break down, and we'll be eaten by gila monsters.\" or \"This car is old, the seats will fall through the floor, don't go so fast dad, why did you get this car, you're supposed to be looking after us not killing us\" or blah blah blah... get a grip folks and enjoy the ride.
You have summed this forum up perfectly
I have to agree Bristol. Bang on I commend your comments
Before joining this forum I was on 606 then ja606, and the difference in opinion/attitude is astounding.
606 had some good knowledgable fans who generally discussed matters and agreed or agreed to disagree. If you wanted to vent some anger you'd do it at the numerous wums from other teams who would join the discussions and like a pack, or a family divert the bitterness outward.
On this site, no disrespect to vsc, I see posts that start by raising valid and intelligent questions degenerate into the internal bickering where the personality of the poster is more overpowering than the point being raised.
JR I hope you realise that of every cock that pisses you off with unfounded comment, vitriol, and total bolloxs there's probably 10 more disagreeing who don't post, I'm one , and in hindsight realise that was/ is probably the best way I could have supported you and the rovers.
Time for the silent majority not just at the keepmoat to get vocal
To quote a classic saying
\" guys look at us, squabberling, bwwickering! We never used to be like this!!!\"
Ric 'The Young Ones'
Vsc. You want to improve this site? Find someone with the software to interact with the fans of the teams were playing a couple of days prior to kickoff it might help direct our Ferrell childrens anger away from attacking their father.
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The thing that is pathetic is the constant full investigation into what Ryan says. And why he has said it. The blokes a legend and numptys on here are writing paragraph upon paragraph about why he isn't telling us the truth.
I honestly think its a disgrace, disrespectful and damn right rude. I believe what he says and Ill trust him to the end. And the people who carry on and on with the deceitful murmurings will in the end cause a massive tragedy for this club..
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What are you trying to say to me Wellred ? Of course there will be many against the McKay/Saunders set up and many that were dissatisfied with the way the SO'D dismissal went and I don't need to be told anything. Why do you appear to be pointing the finger in my direction i.e.........'' I suggest you must have hiding in a forest.
As for the situation with O'Driscoll how many times do you have to be told?'':unsure:
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Because you was always loyal to our managers weren't you Wellred.
Great reply, 8.9.10 and out. :boxing:
I will be the first to admit I wasn't ALWAYS loyal to the previous Manager but then unlike both of you two I wasn't 100% against him from the word go.
Come on lighten up Wellred, I was pro SO'D from the beginning. Incidentally I wasn't anti Dean Saunders either from the start but his tactical skills worry me to death at times but I'll give it a go.
Whatever made you think I didn't admire Sean.......find me the post :laugh:
Sorry that was a typo. I didn't intend to infer you was against SOD. I know that is not the case.
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What happens too frequently amongst reasonable questions and debate is rumour and speculation, mainly way off the mark. Also statements of fear, worry and even paranoia. Add to this people who are unable to ask a question, rather they nag on and on. Its like kids in the back seat of a car, \"Are we there yet?\" every feckin 5 minutes. Though unlike those kids who are excited about where we may me going, its more like \"I'm not sure dad put petrol in, think it was diesel. My mates dads brothers postman saw dad put deisel in once. We're going to break down, and we'll be eaten by gila monsters.\" or \"This car is old, the seats will fall through the floor, don't go so fast dad, why did you get this car, you're supposed to be looking after us not killing us\" or blah blah blah... get a grip folks and enjoy the ride.
Bristol. You summed up just what was going through my head earlier, particularly the words fear, worry and paranoia. Whether this is borne out of a legacy from the Richardson era or perhaps an insecurity syndrome, I'm not sure.
No matter what, some will always read between the lines and believe there are alteria motives. I can recommend a good counsellor if the anxiety and stress of it all is getting too much for some.