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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Red Rover on January 25, 2012, 03:16:40 pm
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Stay with me a minute! :laugh:
It was pretty common knowledge that Dick, Terry were never going to put their funds into DRFC whilst the council still owned the stadium. They wanted to take control of the stadium then build us up.
Is this a case of negotiations coming to an abrupt end and the result is the big wigs leaving our board? :unsure: Didn't John Ryan say in November that we were buying the stadium? Seems a long time ago now! :headbang:
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Don't shoot the messenger, but I know someone who works under the mayor Peter Davies and he told me some weeks ago now that the council are seriously considering closing the doors at the stadium. They cannot come to an agreement with Rovers over a sale or a long term lease, and they aren't prepared to keep losing almost £2 million per year running the place.
It is well known Peter Davies has no time for a football team in Doncaster and has stated many times if he were in power at the time the stadium would never have happened.
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Don't shoot the messenger, but I know someone who works under the mayor Peter Davies and he told me some weeks ago now that the council are seriously considering closing the doors at the stadium. They cannot come to an agreement with Rovers over a sale or a long term lease, and they aren't prepared to keep losing almost £2 million per year running the place.
It is well known Peter Davies has no time for a football team in Doncaster and has stated many times if he were in power at the time the stadium would never have happened.
Is the BV site still for sale :huh: :huh:
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Don't shoot the messenger, but I know someone who works under the mayor Peter Davies and he told me some weeks ago now that the council are seriously considering closing the doors at the stadium. They cannot come to an agreement with Rovers over a sale or a long term lease, and they aren't prepared to keep losing almost £2 million per year running the place.
It is well known Peter Davies has no time for a football team in Doncaster and has stated many times if he were in power at the time the stadium would never have happened.
Then the mayor is a prat , this is a community stadium such as they have all over the world. Built by the people , paid for by the people and used by the people. How different was this project from the Cultural Quarter containing possibly the most expensive Council chambers of any town .........was he against that too ?
The majority of the initial costs should have been 'written off' by now and presented if not in full then at least partially to a symbol of the town.
We want City status do we........then act like one for once. Close the stadium if that's the case and let it rot, then in a few years it will be as a rotten and corrupt as our Council.
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Don't shoot the messenger, but I know someone who works under the mayor Peter Davies and he told me some weeks ago now that the council are seriously considering closing the doors at the stadium. They cannot come to an agreement with Rovers over a sale or a long term lease, and they aren't prepared to keep losing almost £2 million per year running the place.
It is well known Peter Davies has no time for a football team in Doncaster and has stated many times if he were in power at the time the stadium would never have happened.
Then the mayor is a prat , this is a community stadium such as they have all over the world. Built by the people , paid for by the people and used by the people. How different was this project from the Cultural Quarter containing possibly the most expensive Council chambers of any town .........was he against that too ?
The majority of the initial costs should have been 'written off' by now and presented if not in full then at least partially to a symbol of the town.
We want City status do we........then act like one for once. Close the stadium if that's the case and let it rot, then in a few years it will be as a rotten and corrupt as our Council.
Davies is against any new developments in the town, even the Cultural Quarter, which was rubber stamped before he got into power. He has publically stated he wouldn't have allowed this, the stadium, the Frencghate, the College or the airport developments to go ahead.
You can see some logic however, especially if you are not a Rovers fan, a venue that is losing several million per year when council's are having to cut back
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Don't shoot the messenger, but I know someone who works under the mayor Peter Davies and he told me some weeks ago now that the council are seriously considering closing the doors at the stadium. They cannot come to an agreement with Rovers over a sale or a long term lease, and they aren't prepared to keep losing almost £2 million per year running the place.
It is well known Peter Davies has no time for a football team in Doncaster and has stated many times if he were in power at the time the stadium would never have happened.
Then the mayor is a prat , this is a community stadium such as they have all over the world. Built by the people , paid for by the people and used by the people. How different was this project from the Cultural Quarter containing possibly the most expensive Council chambers of any town .........was he against that too ?
The majority of the initial costs should have been 'written off' by now and presented if not in full then at least partially to a symbol of the town.
We want City status do we........then act like one for once. Close the stadium if that's the case and let it rot, then in a few years it will be as a rotten and corrupt as our Council.
Davies is against any new developments in the town, even the Cultural Quarter, which was rubber stamped before he got into power. He has publically stated he wouldn't have allowed this, the stadium, the Frencghate, the College or the airport developments to go ahead.
You can see some logic however, especially if you are not a Rovers fan, a venue that is losing several million per year when council's are having to cut back
Why don't the council just 'gift' it to the Rovers & Dons? The council comes out of it looking generous, whilst clearing their 2 million yearly bill and the Rovers & Dons can go about making it their real home?
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Don't shoot the messenger, but I know someone who works under the mayor Peter Davies and he told me some weeks ago now that the council are seriously considering closing the doors at the stadium. They cannot come to an agreement with Rovers over a sale or a long term lease, and they aren't prepared to keep losing almost £2 million per year running the place.
It is well known Peter Davies has no time for a football team in Doncaster and has stated many times if he were in power at the time the stadium would never have happened.
Then the mayor is a prat , this is a community stadium such as they have all over the world. Built by the people , paid for by the people and used by the people. How different was this project from the Cultural Quarter containing possibly the most expensive Council chambers of any town .........was he against that too ?
The majority of the initial costs should have been 'written off' by now and presented if not in full then at least partially to a symbol of the town.
We want City status do we........then act like one for once. Close the stadium if that's the case and let it rot, then in a few years it will be as a rotten and corrupt as our Council.
Davies is against any new developments in the town, even the Cultural Quarter, which was rubber stamped before he got into power. He has publically stated he wouldn't have allowed this, the stadium, the Frencghate, the College or the airport developments to go ahead.
You can see some logic however, especially if you are not a Rovers fan, a venue that is losing several million per year when council's are having to cut back
Why don't the council just 'gift' it to the Rovers & Dons? The council comes out of it looking generous, whilst clearing their 2 million yearly bill and the Rovers & Dons can go about making it their real home?
Maybe because the stadium is a huge loss maker. It is losing money hand over fist. Do Rovers and the Dons really have what it takes to turn it round?
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Don't shoot the messenger, but I know someone who works under the mayor Peter Davies and he told me some weeks ago now that the council are seriously considering closing the doors at the stadium. They cannot come to an agreement with Rovers over a sale or a long term lease, and they aren't prepared to keep losing almost £2 million per year running the place.
It is well known Peter Davies has no time for a football team in Doncaster and has stated many times if he were in power at the time the stadium would never have happened.
There is no truth in that at all. The panel charged with looking at agreeing terms with the Rovers are just about to file their report and rubber stamp the lease deal.
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Don't shoot the messenger, but I know someone who works under the mayor Peter Davies and he told me some weeks ago now that the council are seriously considering closing the doors at the stadium. They cannot come to an agreement with Rovers over a sale or a long term lease, and they aren't prepared to keep losing almost £2 million per year running the place.
It is well known Peter Davies has no time for a football team in Doncaster and has stated many times if he were in power at the time the stadium would never have happened.
Then the mayor is a prat , this is a community stadium such as they have all over the world. Built by the people , paid for by the people and used by the people. How different was this project from the Cultural Quarter containing possibly the most expensive Council chambers of any town .........was he against that too ?
The majority of the initial costs should have been 'written off' by now and presented if not in full then at least partially to a symbol of the town.
We want City status do we........then act like one for once. Close the stadium if that's the case and let it rot, then in a few years it will be as a rotten and corrupt as our Council.
Davies is against any new developments in the town, even the Cultural Quarter, which was rubber stamped before he got into power. He has publically stated he wouldn't have allowed this, the stadium, the Frencghate, the College or the airport developments to go ahead.
You can see some logic however, especially if you are not a Rovers fan, a venue that is losing several million per year when council's are having to cut back
Do you stick or twist though, investment brings business, brings ratepayers does this fella want this town to stagnate a la Rotherham, Dewsbury et al or go on to attract new business, private investment and improved national status.
It seems to me that if we go down his direction of standing still/going backwards ......we won't represent a progressive town with facilities and will thus lose private investment and ergo revenue.
Does he want to see horses and carts on the High Street again ???
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I get why he didn't want the stadium, he doesn't believe tax payers money should go to paying for things relating to sport (read as he's a douche)...what I don't understand is why he is against all new redevelopment in the town...what possible benefit is there to not bringing the town into the 21st century?
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hen the mayor is a prat , this is a community stadium such as they have all over the world. Built by the people , paid for by the people and used by the people. How different was this project from the Cultural Quarter containing possibly the most expensive Council chambers of any town .........was he against that too ?
The majority of the initial costs should have been 'written off' by now and presented if not in full then at least partially to a symbol of the town.
We want City status do we........then act like one for once. Close the stadium if that's the case and let it rot, then in a few years it will be as a rotten and corrupt as our Council.
Well said.
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I am not a clever lad dont claim to be dont claim i ever will but i think if i was mayor getting rid of two million of debt a year and a cash amount paying for it is better then paying debts but thats just a lad off a building site though
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I get why he didn't want the stadium, he doesn't believe tax payers money should go to paying for things relating to sport (read as he's a douche)...what I don't understand is why he is against all new redevelopment in the town...what possible benefit is there to not bringing the town into the 21st century?
Can I take it that this man doesn't believe in swimming pools, parks, open fields etc. just libraries and the like ? It seems a strange mentality to have when our schools are trying to ramp up their sports and recreational facilities safe in the knowledge that a healthy mind lives in a healthy body. Would he have everyone sat reading in musty old libraries or playing on their playstations in their bedrooms. He needs to get a life or at least look at how other folk live their lives. I don't use the local library/swimming pool but I know they serve a purpose and should be provided in a modern society especially in a deprived area.
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Don't shoot the messenger, but I know someone who works under the mayor Peter Davies and he told me some weeks ago now that the council are seriously considering closing the doors at the stadium. They cannot come to an agreement with Rovers over a sale or a long term lease, and they aren't prepared to keep losing almost £2 million per year running the place.
It is well known Peter Davies has no time for a football team in Doncaster and has stated many times if he were in power at the time the stadium would never have happened.
Makes no sense at all. Even an empty, unused stadium will incur costs or, does he want a massive derelict eyesore in the town in 10-15 years time, that will need demolishing at taxpayers expense. If he wants to minimise his cash outflows going forward the only thing to do is sell it!
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Don't shoot the messenger, but I know someone who works under the mayor Peter Davies and he told me some weeks ago now that the council are seriously considering closing the doors at the stadium. They cannot come to an agreement with Rovers over a sale or a long term lease, and they aren't prepared to keep losing almost £2 million per year running the place.
It is well known Peter Davies has no time for a football team in Doncaster and has stated many times if he were in power at the time the stadium would never have happened.
common sense says that would be political suicide even for a muppet like that.
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Can I take it that this man doesn't believe in swimming pools, parks, open fields etc. just libraries and the like ? It seems a strange mentality to have when our schools are trying to ramp up their sports and recreational facilities safe in the knowledge that a healthy mind lives in a healthy body. Would he have everyone sat reading in musty old libraries or playing on their playstations in their bedrooms. He needs to get a life or at least look at how other folk live their lives. I don't use the local library/swimming pool but I know they serve a purpose and should be provided in a modern society especially in a deprived area.
I think you'll find he'd like to close all the libraries as well if he could. Instead he's just shutting half of them.
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Does he want to see horses and carts on the High Street again ???
If there's a jockey on the horse, then yes!
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Does he want to see horses and carts on the High Street again ???
If there's a jockey on the horse, then yes!
:laugh: Then we will have to chop any of the trees down in the town too so as not to obscure the view.
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It's not hard to see why the stadium makes a loss, every match I go to I see people queuing at the multiple burger vans on the way down to the keepmoat, local pubs full of rovers fans prior to the match, even toad brewery was packed prior to it closing! The simple thing is make it more affordable for everyone, selling twice as many pints but making 25% less would make more profit, this is what successful businesses do! I spend little or nothing in the keepmoat as having 2 kids just a drink each would be over £7!! Stop the rip off sell more at better prices = profitable stadium!!!
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Don't shoot the messenger, but I know someone who works under the mayor Peter Davies and he told me some weeks ago now that the council are seriously considering closing the doors at the stadium. They cannot come to an agreement with Rovers over a sale or a long term lease, and they aren't prepared to keep losing almost £2 million per year running the place.
It is well known Peter Davies has no time for a football team in Doncaster and has stated many times if he were in power at the time the stadium would never have happened.
There is no truth in that at all. The panel charged with looking at agreeing terms with the Rovers are just about to file their report and rubber stamp the lease deal.
Well JR didn't sound very convincing on the stadium matter when asked on Radio Sheffield!
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...if ever you wanted, or needed, something to support the argument against the alternative vote system, Mayor Davis is it!! No vision or ambition for the Town. It's often said that the electorate get the representatives they deserve - I'm really not sure it's the case in this instance!!!!
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Exactly.
Didn't he finish second in the first round of votes.
Also I'm sure voter apathy had a lot to do with it.
In my opinion we don't need a mayor and spoilt my ballot paper as a protest.
Look what I and maybe many others spawned!!!!!!
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Can I take it that this man doesn't believe in swimming pools, parks, open fields etc. just libraries and the like ? It seems a strange mentality to have when our schools are trying to ramp up their sports and recreational facilities safe in the knowledge that a healthy mind lives in a healthy body. Would he have everyone sat reading in musty old libraries or playing on their playstations in their bedrooms. He needs to get a life or at least look at how other folk live their lives. I don't use the local library/swimming pool but I know they serve a purpose and should be provided in a modern society especially in a deprived area.
I think you'll find he'd like to close all the libraries as well if he could. Instead he's just shutting half of them.
And that's just this year. :cry: More cuts to be made in the following years until our kids or the community have no health and no free books and computers :headbang:
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Don't shoot the messenger, but I know someone who works under the mayor Peter Davies and he told me some weeks ago now that the council are seriously considering closing the doors at the stadium. They cannot come to an agreement with Rovers over a sale or a long term lease, and they aren't prepared to keep losing almost £2 million per year running the place.
It is well known Peter Davies has no time for a football team in Doncaster and has stated many times if he were in power at the time the stadium would never have happened.
There is no truth in that at all. The panel charged with looking at agreeing terms with the Rovers are just about to file their report and rubber stamp the lease deal.
Well JR didn't sound very convincing on the stadium matter when asked on Radio Sheffield!
He might not have.
But what I posted is a fact, what you posted is what some bloke told you. I know which one I would put my money on.
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SM is very much right. The negotiations with the stadium that led to this so called higher rent meant Rovers should get benefits etc. Unfortunately the stadium never met these I believe and Rovers never ended up paying the higher rent.
The stadium has to go to Rovers, the SMC can't even afford to maintain the place at the moment and there are problems all over it.
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Ryan pretty much admitted any deal was uncertain.
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Ryan pretty much admitted any deal was uncertain.
Frosty like it or not there is no medium or long term alternative to what the Council MUST do about the stadium.
Yes it's going to cause the usual political uproar and there will be those on the Council who may consider the 'mothball' idea but believe me when 'push comes to shove' they would prefer to look benevolent than lose money at unsustainable rates.
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The question of the financial sustainability for the KMS is an argument confined mainly to the interested parties. Even in the current economic situation. It’s not one that’s being played out in public.
Shutting the place down and throwing the town’s football club out on the street on the other hand, would be electoral suicide.
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The question of the financial sustainability for the KMS is an argument confined mainly to the interested parties. Even in the current economic situation. It’s not one that’s being played out in public.
Shutting the place down and throwing the town’s football club out on the street on the other hand, would be electoral suicide.
I couldn't agree with you more vaya, however the stadium fiasco should have been resolved some time ago. Why/who is dragging their heels on this thorny issue and for what purpose ?
It has left our Board with a lack of meaningful extra income and the SMC/EMC with an unsustainable debt, imo this could be partly the reason that some no longer want to stick around. :( To me it's a lose-lose now the Council have watched 2 of the fellas that might have been able to resolve this issue virtually ride into the sunset.
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Ryan pretty much admitted any deal was uncertain.
It will happen, simple as that.
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Ryan pretty much admitted any deal was uncertain.
It will happen, simple as that.
And if it does, how will Rovers turn a £2 million loss making venue into something making profit? With the club already losing 5 million a year, would it really be a good business decision to take on the KMS now? Especially with the loss of our wealthiest backers?
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There are plans afoot...........
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Frost, are you a Doncaster Rovers fan or an internet troll?
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Frost, are you a Doncaster Rovers fan or an internet troll?
What kind of question is that? I'm merely asking how DRFC would turn around a £2million loss making stadium into something that is profitable.
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Which, as always, is a negative post by you on this forum. I can't even begin to remember the last time you posted something positive about the club. In fact, go on, show me a link to the last time you praised the club/board of your own free will?!
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Which, as always, is a negative post by you on this forum. I can't even begin to remember the last time you posted something positive about the club. In fact, go on, show me a link to the last time you praised the club/board of your own free will?!
How was it negative? It is a constructive question.
When was the last time you didn't talk bullshit?
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Link? No?
Hows that for bullshit?
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You obviously missed my thread trying to rally support for the Hull game.
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This is getting more and more like a school playground pack it in and yes Frosty it was negative .
We've had weeks nay months to discuss the KM and not once have you raised such an objection in fact you were all for it. Now is NOT the time fella please.;)
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I dont even think John Ryan sounded unsure on the stadium anyway, infact i'd say it was quite the opposite.
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Sorry but Frost makes a valid point and one I have wondered recently aswell, given I've a bit of knowledge on the stadium and it's not great.
However there are some synergies in that you can incorporate systems into one, so rather than 2 costs you may have one for some things (such as website hosting as a very small example). Marketing is another, as is the stadium and Rovers are two, you can incorporate those and create one.
The major opportunity of course is that you have a much bigger voice speaking as a club as opposed to speaking as a stadium, the pulling power is greater with clients etc. Then there's the other side that Rovers will see increases in some areas that will offset other losses. Already there is the initial rent plus fees for hiring pitches etc. You'll also find that a private organisation will get things done for cheaper prices than the council run lot would, certainly the case in the field I work in.
But enough to cover that huge gap? Well one assumes the sums have been done on that one.
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Sorry but Frost makes a valid point and one I have wondered recently aswell, given I've a bit of knowledge on the stadium and it's not great.
However there are some synergies in that you can incorporate systems into one, so rather than 2 costs you may have one for some things (such as website hosting as a very small example). Marketing is another, as is the stadium and Rovers are two, you can incorporate those and create one.
The major opportunity of course is that you have a much bigger voice speaking as a club as opposed to speaking as a stadium, the pulling power is greater with clients etc. Then there's the other side that Rovers will see increases in some areas that will offset other losses. Already there is the initial rent plus fees for hiring pitches etc. You'll also find that a private organisation will get things done for cheaper prices than the council run lot would, certainly the case in the field I work in.
But enough to cover that huge gap? Well one assumes the sums have been done on that one.
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sadly it isant too hard to belive the council run it so poorley i wouldent be suprised if it at least nearly breaks even if it was owned by DRFC
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Ryan pretty much admitted any deal was uncertain.
It will happen, simple as that.
And if it does, how will Rovers turn a £2 million loss making venue into something making profit? With the club already losing 5 million a year, would it really be a good business decision to take on the KMS now? Especially with the loss of our wealthiest backers?
Some good questions there. A couple of things I can think of that Rovers could do to help run the stadium at a profit, which they can't do now, is make money from refreshments and sell commercial space in the concourse. I'd imagine many people are turned away from buying food/drinks, for example, is the price. If Rovers were in charge they could drop the prices straight away, change their suppliers, run promotions in conjunction with tickets etc, and also make the concourses more \"Rovers Friendly\" i.e. with decoration etc. We might even be able to open a VSC/Supporters Club bar! :scarf:
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Open up all the restaurants on a Sunday as well as the bars to cater for Sunday dinners as well as 'car booters' . Supply the food and drinks that the fans actually want at a decent price and at the right quality.
Encourage further corporate activities, use the facilities more for schools and smaller organisations. Compete generally with the RU club and the Racecourse and liase with the Dome and other local entertainment centres for joint promotions........basically fill the bloody place 7 days a week , 52 weeks a year.
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It's all my fault. I take full responsibility.
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Also if we owned the stadium we would have the money that we pay in rent.
I guess it may initially have to go on the loan, if that is what is used to buy it, but there would come a time when the loan is paid and the money's ours again.
I don't think the council know how to run anything at a break even/profit. They don't have to as for decades they've had tax payers money on tap.
As stated previously the Racecourse has more than just sport going on there all the time.
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The question of the financial sustainability for the KMS is an argument confined mainly to the interested parties. Even in the current economic situation. It’s not one that’s being played out in public.
Shutting the place down and throwing the town’s football club out on the street on the other hand, would be electoral suicide.
I couldn't agree with you more vaya, however the stadium fiasco should have been resolved some time ago. Why/who is dragging their heels on this thorny issue and for what purpose ?
It has left our Board with a lack of meaningful extra income and the SMC/EMC with an unsustainable debt, imo this could be partly the reason that some no longer want to stick around. :( To me it's a lose-lose now the Council have watched 2 of the fellas that might have been able to resolve this issue virtually ride into the sunset.
My thoughts exactly.
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You see. We're all thinking about opportunities. The stadium is a community asset and that's always as it was intended to be.
I'm sure much more thought will be put in to community/commercial enterprise to use the facility to it's potential and I think we can see that a mark of success would be the numbers of people using it on a more regular basis, all year round.
Now, that means we can't be so selfish about who uses the stadium and for what (such as concerts), as long as it works for the community as a whole and generates revenue streams that have not been available before.
It won't be easy and it won't happen overnight but, there is the will to make it work.
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It's all my fault. I take full responsibility.
thats the most sensible post you have ever made . well done :woot: