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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: mjdgreg on June 10, 2012, 08:55:45 am
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Followin firteen yeers of Labour shaimlessly wursenin the standurds of spellin, grammer and literasy in our skools, the coalition is goin to putt it rite.
The current standards are well below what they were when I was at school. My son got an A star at English in his GCSE but his command of the language and his spelling is worse than mine was when I was at primary school. The number of people that can't say 'th' and say 'f' instead really makes my piss boil. Is it really so hard to say think instead of fink and that instead of vat? Do these people not realise what a fick thucker they make themselves sound?
If you've got children who are affected by this affliction then you need to harden up and stop them doing it. No matter how intelligent they are, if they've got this speech impediment they are going to find it very difficult to get on in life as they will be viewed as fick thuckers. My kids tried it on with me and they got short sharp shrift. I explained in no uncertain terms that if they carried on with speaking like a fick thucker then they would be disowned. This did the trick and they now speak perfect English.
They now thank me for my fatherly intervention and have vowed to do the same with their kids should it ever become a problem. So all you 'f' ers and 'v' ers out there STOP IT!!! You are doing yourselves no favours in trying to get on in life. Keep on doing it and you will remain at the bottom of the social pile.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-18384536
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Yawn.....correctly spelt you'll find
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It`s the evolution of language, go back 100 hundred years, 200 hundred years and so on, and you`ll find that words used then are hardly used now, words have different spellings and even names had spelling variations
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Followin firteen yeers of Labour shaimlessly wursenin the standurds of spellin, grammer and literasy in our skools, the coalition is goin to putt it rite.
The current standards are well below what they were when I was at school. My son got an A star at English in his GCSE but his command of the language and his spelling is worse than mine was when I was at primary school. The number of people that can't say 'th' and say 'f' instead really makes my piss boil. Is it really so hard to say think instead of fink and that instead of vat? Do these people not realise what a fick thucker they make themselves sound?
If you've got children who are affected by this affliction then you need to harden up and stop them doing it. No matter how intelligent they are, if they've got this speech impediment they are going to find it very difficult to get on in life as they will be viewed as fick thuckers. My kids tried it on with me and they got short sharp shrift. I explained in no uncertain terms that if they carried on with speaking like a fick thucker then they would be disowned. This did the trick and they now speak perfect English.
They now thank me for my fatherly intervention and have vowed to do the same with their kids should it ever become a problem. So all you 'f' ers and 'v' ers out there STOP IT!!! You are doing yourselves no favours in trying to get on in life. Keep on doing it and you will remain at the bottom of the social pile.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-18384536
An apparently excellent grasp of the English language, but an edited post.
Work that one out.
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Followin firteen yeers of Labour shaimlessly wursenin the standurds of spellin, grammer and literasy in our skools, the coalition is goin to putt it rite.
The current standards are well below what they were when I was at school. My son got an A star at English in his GCSE but his command of the language and his spelling is worse than mine was when I was at primary school. The number of people that can't say 'th' and say 'f' instead really makes my piss boil. Is it really so hard to say think instead of fink and that instead of vat? Do these people not realise what a fick thucker they make themselves sound?
If you've got children who are affected by this affliction then you need to harden up and stop them doing it. No matter how intelligent they are, if they've got this speech impediment they are going to find it very difficult to get on in life as they will be viewed as fick thuckers. My kids tried it on with me and they got short sharp shrift. I explained in no uncertain terms that if they carried on with speaking like a fick thucker then they would be disowned. This did the trick and they now speak perfect English.
They now thank me for my fatherly intervention and have vowed to do the same with their kids should it ever become a problem. So all you 'f' ers and 'v' ers out there STOP IT!!! You are doing yourselves no favours in trying to get on in life. Keep on doing it and you will remain at the bottom of the social pile.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-18384536
An apparently excellent grasp of the English language, but an edited post.
Work that one out.
my guess is he edited it to try and make the first sentence funny in a way that fit his agenda
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It`s the evolution of language, go back 100 hundred years, 200 hundred years and so on, and you`ll find that words used then are hardly used now, words have different spellings and even names had spelling variations
I fink you'll find 'think' is still spelt think and not 'fink,' so should be pronounced with a 'th' not a 'f.' 'That' is still spelt that and not 'vat.' Darn sarf they're avin to introduce elocution lessons because the kids are spelling words as they speak them which bears no resemblance to the written word. Vey fink 'innit' is actually a word. I abhor the cockneyisation of the Yorkshire accent and it must stop now. Eastenders has got an awful lot to answer for.
Anyway fank you for your faughts. Sounds to me like you are a 'f' er and 'v' er which explains a lot.
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my guess is he edited it to try and make the first sentence funny in a way that fit his agenda
I could pull apart your appalling grammar but because I'm in a good mood today, I'm going to let you off.
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An apparently excellent grasp of the English language
Fanks for your kind words.
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Yawn.....correctly spelt you'll find
Well done with your spelling. Just need to brush up on your punctuation a bit.
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It`s the evolution of language, go back 100 hundred years, 200 hundred years and so on, and you`ll find that words used then are hardly used now, words have different spellings and even names had spelling variations
I fink you'll find 'think' is still spelt think and not 'fink,' so should be pronounced with a 'th' not a 'f.' 'That' is still spelt that and not 'vat.' Darn sarf they're avin to introduce elocution lessons because the kids are spelling words as they speak them which bears no resemblance to the written word. Vey fink 'innit' is actually a word. I abhor the cockneyisation of the Yorkshire accent and it must stop now. Eastenders has got an awful lot to answer for.
Anyway fank you for your faughts. Sounds to me like you are a 'f' er and 'v' er which explains a lot.
As I said words evolve and spelling evolves over time, it`s a historical fact, but as usual you`ll just ignore that side of the coin, anyway have n`t you got anything to copy and paste to support your mad world?
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Yawn.....correctly spelt you'll find
Well done with your spelling. Just need to brush up on your punctuation a bit.
Go on then, enlighten me
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Go on then, enlighten me
Just be grateful that you've got spell checker on your computer or you would have probably been further embarrassed. Like I said earlier, I'm in a good mood so I'm not going to embarrass you any further than you've already done yourself. Just be fankful.
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As I said words evolve and spelling evolves over time, it`s a historical fact, but as usual you`ll just ignore that side of the coin, anyway have n`t you got anything to copy and paste to support your mad world?
I'm glad you're not in charge of the education department. You'd have the English language dumbed down even more in no time at all. We don't have to accept the cockneyisation that's going on at the moment.
It's time for all true speaking Englishmen to rise up and put a stop to it immediately. In future I have decided not to talk to anyone that 'f' s and 'v' s until they get the message that they are a social pariah. Sometimes tough love is the only way forward. I would ask others to follow my fine example. Togever we can win vis campaign.
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Mik u iz rly duin ma nut in now m8! srsly shudnt u b runnin ur bizness insted ov gassin wiv us?
I miss the time when Mick used to comment on football :( now he uses the site as a politics forum.
#Pray4MadMick50
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As Filo said language evolves over time, I assume we all say ‘wen’ for when, rather than the original pronunciation which was hwen.
Since when has the way we speak anything to do with how we spell or write. There are many regional accents and dialects that are equally valid, but saying ‘fink’ doesn’t mean the speaker will not spell it correctly. We all use different registers in our language dependent upon the context, just think about chatting with mates in the pub or speaking to parents or customers etc.
Actually, as a child I couldn’t say ‘th’ properly, but never mind, I did okay despite this, probably from working in London and rising up the social ladder by saying ‘orf’ and’ barth’ etc instead of ‘off’ and ‘bath’.
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my guess is he edited it to try and make the first sentence funny in a way that fit his agenda
I could pull apart your appalling grammar but because I'm in a good mood today, I'm going to let you off.
Please, show me the error of my ways, O Great One.
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Please, show me the error of my ways, O Great One.
Like I said, I don't want to embarrass you further. You're doing a pretty good job yourself.
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As Filo said language evolves over time, I assume we all say ‘wen’ for when, rather than the original pronunciation which was hwen.
Since when has the way we speak anything to do with how we spell or write. There are many regional accents and dialects that are equally valid, but saying ‘fink’ doesn’t mean the speaker will not spell it correctly. We all use different registers in our language dependent upon the context, just think about chatting with mates in the pub or speaking to parents or customers etc.
Actually, as a child I couldn’t say ‘th’ properly, but never mind, I did okay despite this, probably from working in London and rising up the social ladder by saying ‘orf’ and’ barth’ etc instead of ‘off’ and ‘bath’.
If you seriously fink it's OK to say fink instead of think then I'm afraid I can't help you. As I said earlier, down South they're having to have elocution lessons because the dumbing down of the English language is getting so bad.
They are spelling think as fink etc. I've got a couple of nephews in Brighton and their speech and spelling is a disgrace. They spell as they speak and are going to struggle in life if they don't cop themselves on. I've got no problem with regional accents and dialects apart from the cockneyisation of all other accents and dialects. When this then manifests itself in the written word then it is time to take action.
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Mik u iz rly duin ma nut in now m8! srsly shudnt u b runnin ur bizness insted ov gassin wiv us?
I miss the time when Mick used to comment on football now he uses the site as a politics forum.
#Pray4MadMick50
I know madmick and he has told me that he is not interested in returning to the forum until that clown Saunders has gone. Until then, he has taken the view that it is downhill all the way for Rovers and he no longer has the slightest interest in the club. I have taken the same standpoint as my hero.
Luckily for all of you I do feel I have a lot to offer on other subjects and will keep on posting for the foreseeable future.
As for running my businesses, I am a multi-tasker and can fit in my witterings in between placing my bets. My other businesses are like well-oiled machines and pretty much run themselves.
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Go on then, enlighten me
Just be grateful that you've got spell checker on your computer or you would have probably been further embarrassed. Like I said earlier, I'm in a good mood so I'm not going to embarrass you any further than you've already done yourself. Just be fankful.
I think you'll find that, if you're referring to my original post, the word 'spelt' is the English derivation. In the USA they spell it 'spelled'. And just to placate you, I did use google to be sure
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I think you'll find that, if you're referring to my original post, the word 'spelt' is the English derivation. In the USA they spell it 'spelled'. And just to placate you, I did use google to be sure
Sounds like you should have checked the Irish spelling, to be sure.
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An apparently excellent grasp of the English language
Fanks for your kind words.
You're even making up things I say now Micks.
This is obviously a compulsion. One of you should seek help.
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Please, show me the error of my ways, O Great One.
Like I said, I don't want to embarrass you further. You're doing a pretty good job yourself.
am I? I don't feel embarrassed one bit - go right ahead Mick.
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am I? I don't feel embarrassed one bit - go right ahead mjdgreg.
Sorry, I can't bring myself to put salt into an open wound.
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Since when has the way we speak anything to do with how we spell or write. There are many regional accents and dialects that are equally valid, but saying ‘fink’ doesn’t mean the speaker will not spell it correctly.
Just plain wrong.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2092732/Essex-primary-school-gives-pupils-elocution-lessons-stop-sounding-like-TOWIE.html
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am I? I don't feel embarrassed one bit - go right ahead mjdgreg.
Sorry, I can't bring myself to put salt into an open wound.
well since I don't feel wounded you won't have a problem, will you? :)
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I was just about to point out the error of Mick's ways, but don't want to embarrass him any further...
:boxing:
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As Filo said language evolves over time, I assume we all say ‘wen’ for when, rather than the original pronunciation which was hwen.
Since when has the way we speak anything to do with how we spell or write. There are many regional accents and dialects that are equally valid, but saying ‘fink’ doesn’t mean the speaker will not spell it correctly. We all use different registers in our language dependent upon the context, just think about chatting with mates in the pub or speaking to parents or customers etc.
Actually, as a child I couldn’t say ‘th’ properly, but never mind, I did okay despite this, probably from working in London and rising up the social ladder by saying ‘orf’ and’ barth’ etc instead of ‘off’ and ‘bath’.
If you seriously fink it's OK to say fink instead of think then I'm afraid I can't help you. As I said earlier, down South they're having to have elocution lessons because the dumbing down of the English language is getting so bad.
They are spelling think as fink etc. I've got a couple of nephews in Brighton and their speech and spelling is a disgrace. They spell as they speak and are going to struggle in life if they don't cop themselves on. I've got no problem with regional accents and dialects apart from the cockneyisation of all other accents and dialects. When this then manifests itself in the written word then it is time to take action.
Mick, they have genes from the same gene pool as you, it appears that they have learning difficulties just like yourself, you need to dilute those defective genes from the family line!
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Bobjimwilly.
I hate to be a pedant, but I have to point out your incorrect use of the possessive apostrophe.
You should have written, "...the error of Micks' ways" not "...the error of Mick's ways".
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mjdgreg, they have genes from the same gene pool as you, it appears that they have learning difficulties just like yourself, you need to dilute those defective genes from the family line!
Unfortunately for them they don't have any of my genes. Their genes all come from my wife's side of the family. If they'd lived in Doncaster I could have kept an eye on them and got them back on the straight and narrow. Sadly they are now going to struggle in life because every time they open their mouth they will instantly be categorised as fick thuckers. This will then be further compounded when they put pen to paper.
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Bobjimwilly.
I hate to be a pedant, but I have to point out your incorrect use of the possessive apostrophe.
You should have written, "...the error of mjdgregs' ways" not "...the error of mjdgreg's ways".
Glad to have your support on this issue Billy. Like me you are obviously very intelligent (if often misguided).
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well since I don't feel wounded you won't have a problem, will you?
I refuse to denigrate you. If I were to offer some advice though, it would be to stop digging the hole.
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More evidence of the terrible performance of the last Labour government. The coalition have got a big job on their hands rectifying the situation.
http://notasheepmaybeagoat.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/labours-education-record.html
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Mick I love a good bashing of New Labour but this is getting ridiculous now. In fact the pronounciation of "th's" and "f's" is a myth, try it yourself with "fingers and thumbs", if you try to swap it around to "Thingers and Fumb" it doesn't work, it only sounds different if you try to say "fumbs and thingers". Oh and one more thing: Thuck Oath.
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mjdgreg I love a good bashing of New Labour but this is getting ridiculous now. In fact the pronounciation of "th's" and "f's" is a myth, try it yourself with "fingers and thumbs", if you try to swap it around to "Thingers and Fumb" it doesn't work, it only sounds different if you try to say "fumbs and thingers". Oh and one more thing: Thuck Oath.
Sorry but you've lost me. How can it be a myth when I hear people saying fink instead of think, vey instead of they etc.? In my book sloppy speech equals sloppy person. If I was interviewing someone for a job and vey spoke like vat then it would be a very short interview indeed no matter what their qualifications were. I've discussed this with many of my business colleagues and they all concur.
Trust me, I'm doing the afflicted a major service by getting this out in the open. It's a bit of a taboo subject, because those of us that aren't afflicted feel sorry for those that are, and find it difficult to point out the error of their ways for fear of upsetting them. Thank goodness there are people around like me that don't mind upsetting people.
Could it be you are a 'f' er and 'v' er? If you are then it's never too late to change your ways. Get it sorted and see your life chances improve dramatically. Don't sort it out and you will forever be consigned to the bottom of the social pile.
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well since I don't feel wounded you won't have a problem, will you?
I refuse to denigrate you. If I were to offer some advice though, it would be to stop digging the hole.
Just do it - show me where I'm wrong :) I'm genuinely intrigued. I'll take it as you being unable to "pull apart my appalling grammar" if you again refuse the opportunity to do so.
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Bobjimwilly.
I hate to be a pedant, but I have to point out your incorrect use of the possessive apostrophe.
You should have written, "...the error of Micks' ways" not "...the error of Mick's ways".
Erm, not sure you're correct there BST?
http://oxforddictionaries.com/words/apostrophe (http://oxforddictionaries.com/words/apostrophe)
If Mick's name was "Micks", then you'd be correct, but his name is "Mick". So being a name, without an S, and the "ways" being his possession, you add the apostrophe between the name and the "s", I believe?
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Just do it - show me where I'm wrong I'm genuinely intrigued. I'll take it as you being unable to "pull apart my appalling grammar" if you again refuse the opportunity to do so.
I refuse to embarrass you publicly. I will say though that your last post is a much better effort than the previous ones.
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Erm, not sure you're correct there BST?
I'm sure he's wrong but I didn't want to embarrass him publicly like what you're trying to do. It's an easy mistake and I wouldn't be too critical of anyone that gets their apostrophes in slightly the wrong place. however starting sentences without a capital letter and not finishing them with a full stop is unforgivable
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Erm, not sure you're correct there BST?
I'm sure he's wrong but I didn't want to embarrass him publicly like what you're trying to do. It's an easy mistake and I wouldn't be too critical of anyone that gets their apostrophes in slightly the wrong place. however starting sentences without a capital letter and not finishing them with a full stop is unforgivable
there we go :) I don't write like that in my work, you know, where it's actually important, so that's all that matters to me.
;)
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Bobjim
It kind of loses summat in the explanation but think about Micks' multiple personalities...
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Mick, if you think it is an actual problem then explain to me how your business colleagues and yourself bypass the McGurk Effect?
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mjdgreg, if you think it is an actual problem then explain to me how your business colleagues and yourself bypass the McGurk Effect?
I and my business colleagues don't think it's a problem we know it definitely is. I would accept the argument that maybe we shouldn't judge people so harshly but unfortunately first impressions are so important and as soon as any of us hear a 'f' or 'v' we instantly dismiss that candidate for the job (unless it is a menial job). We all instinctively view someone who 'f' s and 'v' s as thick and not worthy of a decent employment position.
The McGurk effect is a very interesting phenomenon. However I do not believe it applies to the situation I am describing. If you see someone say fink you never confuse that with think. The fact you can see their lips further reinforces the use of 'f' instead of 'th'. I like most others when we hear fink and can't see the person's face have no trouble deciphering that an 'f' has been used instead of a 'th'. So the McGurk phenomenon does not apply to my argument.
Do your own experiment. Next time you meet someone who 'f' s and 'v' s enquire as to the type of job they do. I'll bet that over 90% of the time they will be in low paid employment. Next time you meet a professional person, for example a doctor I'll guarantee that they will not 'f' and 'v' in well over 90% of cases.
'f' ers and 'v' ers may not like what I'm saying but it is incontrovertible fact. Change your ways before it is too late. Do you really want people sniggering behind your back? Please, please stop your children falling into this trap. They may think it's big and clever at the moment but when they come to join the workforce
they will find many doors closed. How then as a parent will you feel about not sorting the problem out?
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mjdgreg, if you think it is an actual problem then explain to me how your business colleagues and yourself bypass the McGurk Effect?
I and my business colleagues don't think it's a problem we know it definitely is. I would accept the argument that maybe we shouldn't judge people so harshly but unfortunately first impressions are so important and as soon as any of us hear a 'f' or 'v' we instantly dismiss that candidate for the job (unless it is a menial job). We all instinctively view someone who 'f' s and 'v' s as thick and not worthy of a decent employment position.
The McGurk effect is a very interesting phenomenon. However I do not believe it applies to the situation I am describing. If you see someone say fink you never confuse that with think. The fact you can see their lips further reinforces the use of 'f' instead of 'th'. I like most others when we hear fink and can't see the person's face have no trouble deciphering that an 'f' has been used instead of a 'th'. So the McGurk phenomenon does not apply to my argument.
Do your own experiment. Next time you meet someone who 'f' s and 'v' s enquire as to the type of job they do. I'll bet that over 90% of the time they will be in low paid employment. Next time you meet a professional person, for example a doctor I'll guarantee that they will not 'f' and 'v' in well over 90% of cases.
'f' ers and 'v' ers may not like what I'm saying but it is incontrovertible fact. Change your ways before it is too late. Do you really want people sniggering behind your back? Please, please stop your children falling into this trap. They may think it's big and clever at the moment but when they come to join the workforce
they will find many doors closed. How then as a parent will you feel about not sorting the problem out?
Editing again? You may wish to spell-check before you post in future.
Also there's no need for another paragraph after 'workforce'.
No need to thank me, I'm always happy to help someone's education.
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Editing again? You may wish to spell-check before you post in future.
Also there's no need for another paragraph after 'workforce'.
No need to thank me, I'm always happy to help someone's education.
I refuse to spell-check. I am quite happy to rely on my photographic memory for instant recall of how to spell. There isn't a new paragraph after 'workforce'. The site was playing up at the time and didn't load my post as written. You may need to do some work on paragraphs yourself, as three paragraphs for such a short post is a bit over the top.
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Editing again? You may wish to spell-check before you post in future.
Also there's no need for another paragraph after 'workforce'.
No need to thank me, I'm always happy to help someone's education.
I refuse to spell-check. I am quite happy to rely on my photographic memory for instant recall of how to spell. There isn't a new paragraph after 'workforce'. The site was playing up at the time and didn't load my post as written. You may need to do some work on paragraphs yourself, as three paragraphs for such a short post is a bit over the top.
I see you managed to post without editing this time. My encouragement is obviously working. Well done Mick.
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I see you managed to post without editing this time. My encouragement is obviously working. Well done mjdgreg.
I see you managed to post only using one paragraph this time. My encouragement is obviously working. Well done vaya.