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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: mjdgreg on September 12, 2012, 12:44:18 pm
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and anyone else that thinks it's acceptable to rejoice in Maggie's death. It's only the economically illiterate that would hold that view:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4533645/Fury-at-union-party-packs-if-Margaret-Thatcher-dies.html#ixzz26EvNdIMN
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What a tool.
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I find this quote a bit rich if I'm honest..
'Tory MP Douglas Carswell said: “Is this what the British Left have become? It shows how ethically bankrupt the movement is if it thinks this is acceptable.”'
These is a special kind of irony when a member of the morally corrupt party points out the ethics of another body.
Actually, I would say those slogans are a tad mild when you think of the contempt the woman is held in, not just in Yorkshire but countrywide.
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and anyone else that thinks it's acceptable to rejoice in Maggie's death. It's only the economically illiterate that would hold that view:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4533645/Fury-at-union-party-packs-if-Margaret-Thatcher-dies.html#ixzz26EvNdIMN
Put me down as an economic illiterate, the Champagne is on ice for her long awaited call to the bowels of the earth, and may she burn and rot there eternally!
Until then, I recall what Menzie from the Angelic Upstarts said at their gig in Sandall Park many years ago "I hope her fanny festers and her fingernails drop out so she can`t scratch it"
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What I find ironic is the way people wish death upon her, yet the same people on this forum were picking fault that Osama Bin Laden was "murdered".
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How anyone can have anything but the utmost respect for the woman is beyond me. You can only appreciate the transformational importance of her by studying the gloomy period before she came to power. It's time for a history lesson for all you economic illiterates.
In the 1970s Britain had to adopt a three-day week because the nation couldn't afford enough electricity to power industry for a normal working week. TV stations were ordered off the air at 10.30pm for the same reason.
Later in the same decade Britain had to go, cap in hand, asking for a bailout from the International Monetary Fund. Like Gordon Brown's Labour government, the Labour ministers of the 1970s also borrowed too much and Britain was drowning in debt.
The trade unions ran Britain in the 1970s and by the "winter of discontent" of 1978/79 the streets were piled high with uncollected rubbish. Even the dead went unburied. Children were sent home from school for a fortnight. There simply wasn't enough money to afford to heat their classrooms.
Civil servants described their job as the management of decline. Throughout the world Britain was known as "the sick man of Europe". The nation was humiliated.
It took the Iron Lady, as she came to be known, to heal the sick man. Elected in May 1979 she didn't, of course, get everything right. No politician ever has. But she got the big judgments right and it was her iron will that made her special. The western world's first elected woman leader had the guts to do things that her male predecessors had failed to do.
Every honest person knew that the union leaders had too much power. Strikes started at intimidating mass meetings where workers were asked to raise their hands to authorise industrial action. Mrs Thatcher passed laws that meant walk-outs never happened unless approved by a secret ballot.
Every honest person knew that government was too big and inefficient. Tax rates of 98% were introduced on high earners but they 'brain drained' out of Britain to places where taxes were reasonable. Margaret Thatcher brought state spending and taxes under control. She closed down or streamlined state-owned industries that were making things that nobody wanted to buy but were costing taxpayers millions of pounds.
Every honest person knew that communism was a totalitarian ideology but most wanted to appease it. The Labour Party wanted Britain to give away Britain's independent nuclear deterrent without demanding anything from Moscow in return. Margaret Thatcher had the courage to enhance Britain's nuclear defences.
She also had the courage to send a fleet of warships to the South Atlantic after Argentina's fascist military regime invaded Britain's Falkland Islands. Victory in the Falklands and, years later, in the Cold War were great moments for Britain. Suddenly a strong and victorious Britain was able to hold its head high again.
Margaret Thatcher went to the European Union and banging her handbag on the negotiating table, she got a rebate from Brussels, partly ending the unfair way Britain paid so much into Brussels' coffers but got little back.
She made it easier to invest in Britain and by the end of the 1980s Britain had overtaken France and Italy in the global economic league table.
Margaret Thatcher's other great service to Britain was the defeat of a very left-wing Labour Party on three occasions.
If Michael Foot had been elected in 1983 the 1970s would have seemed a paradise. He wanted more powers for unions, tax rates of 90% and a dismemberment of the police and army. His defeat and the defeat of Neil Kinnock in 1987 ensured that Labour had to modernise. She defeated socialism and made Britain great again.
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What I find ironic is the way people wish death upon her, yet the same people on this forum were picking fault that Osama Bin Laden was "murdered".
You find that with lefties. Their use of double standards takes my breath away. The current crop moan about 'austerity' and that the coalition is cutting too far and too fast. They fail to engage their brains, because if they did, they'd find that the coalition is actually spending more than Labour did!!!
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Until then, I recall what Menzie from the Angelic Upstarts said at their gig in Sandall Park many years ago "I hope her fanny festers and her fingernails drop out so she can`t scratch it"
I just hope there weren't any impressionable youngsters at that gig listening to such filth. I'm sure if she did get 'itchy fanny' syndrome and hadn't got any fingernails, being the resourceful person she was she 'd have found a way around the problem. Maybe Dennis could have helped out?
Anyway, I hope Menzie's cock has fallen off and his balls have grown to the size of balloons, the upstart.
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How anyone can have anything but the utmost respect for the woman is beyond me. You can only appreciate the transformational importance of her by studying the gloomy period before she came to power. It's time for a history lesson for all you economic illiterates.
In the 1970s Britain had to adopt a three-day week because the nation couldn't afford enough electricity to power industry for a normal working week. TV stations were ordered off the air at 10.30pm for the same reason.
Later in the same decade Britain had to go, cap in hand, asking for a bailout from the International Monetary Fund. Like Gordon Brown's Labour government, the Labour ministers of the 1970s also borrowed too much and Britain was drowning in debt.
The trade unions ran Britain in the 1970s and by the "winter of discontent" of 1978/79 the streets were piled high with uncollected rubbish. Even the dead went unburied. Children were sent home from school for a fortnight. There simply wasn't enough money to afford to heat their classrooms.
Civil servants described their job as the management of decline. Throughout the world Britain was known as "the sick man of Europe". The nation was humiliated.
It took the Iron Lady, as she came to be known, to heal the sick man. Elected in May 1979 she didn't, of course, get everything right. No politician ever has. But she got the big judgments right and it was her iron will that made her special. The western world's first elected woman leader had the guts to do things that her male predecessors had failed to do.
Every honest person knew that the union leaders had too much power. Strikes started at intimidating mass meetings where workers were asked to raise their hands to authorise industrial action. Mrs Thatcher passed laws that meant walk-outs never happened unless approved by a secret ballot.
Every honest person knew that government was too big and inefficient. Tax rates of 98% were introduced on high earners but they 'brain drained' out of Britain to places where taxes were reasonable. Margaret Thatcher brought state spending and taxes under control. She closed down or streamlined state-owned industries that were making things that nobody wanted to buy but were costing taxpayers millions of pounds.
Every honest person knew that communism was a totalitarian ideology but most wanted to appease it. The Labour Party wanted Britain to give away Britain's independent nuclear deterrent without demanding anything from Moscow in return. Margaret Thatcher had the courage to enhance Britain's nuclear defences.
She also had the courage to send a fleet of warships to the South Atlantic after Argentina's fascist military regime invaded Britain's Falkland Islands. Victory in the Falklands and, years later, in the Cold War were great moments for Britain. Suddenly a strong and victorious Britain was able to hold its head high again.
Margaret Thatcher went to the European Union and banging her handbag on the negotiating table, she got a rebate from Brussels, partly ending the unfair way Britain paid so much into Brussels' coffers but got little back.
She made it easier to invest in Britain and by the end of the 1980s Britain had overtaken France and Italy in the global economic league table.
Margaret Thatcher's other great service to Britain was the defeat of a very left-wing Labour Party on three occasions.
If Michael Foot had been elected in 1983 the 1970s would have seemed a paradise. He wanted more powers for unions, tax rates of 90% and a dismemberment of the police and army. His defeat and the defeat of Neil Kinnock in 1987 ensured that Labour had to modernise. She defeated socialism and made Britain great again.
Here you are Mick I`ll provide the link for some one else`s writing you`ve stolen
http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/articles.aspx?cp-documentid=154970949
By Tim Montgomerie, Editor, ConservativeHome
Hardly independent and unbiased is it?
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And just to cancel your copy and paste out Mick, I`ll raise you with this copy and paste!
When Margaret Thatcher left Downing Street for the last time as prime minister in November 1990, she told the press: "We're very happy that we leave the United Kingdom in a very, very much better state than when we came here 11-and-a-half years ago."
Judged against certain criteria, she had a point. Few enjoy paying tax: her time in No 10 saw the basic rate fall from 33p to 25p and the top rate plunge from 83p to 40p. Everybody enjoys more disposable income: during her premiership, the average salary rose from £5,427 to £15,252. She also oversaw a decline in the annual number of working days lost in strikes from 29.5m to 1.9m.
Dig beneath the surface of these statistics, however, and a different picture emerges. In order to achieve constructive changes, Mrs Thatcher subjected Britain to a sequence of destructive upheavals. Her cure for the UK’s ills was attractive enough for a portion of its population to vote her into office three times, but the medicine was so objectionable she never received majority support.
In short, the apparatus she used to achieve her goals harmed just as many - if not more - than they helped. This was because her policies tended to involve short-term pain for many, but long-term gain for only a few.
Inflation doubled
Rather than stimulating the economy through investment and tax cuts, she tried to control the amount of money in circulation. Mrs Thatcher thought this would reduce inflation from its 1979 level of 10.3%. It didn't. Inflation doubled within a year and only fell to present day levels of 2-3% in 1986.
By this point, the damage had been done. To get to such a low level, indirect taxes had been hiked (VAT rose from 8% to 15%), as had interest rates (topping 17%). Subsidies for industry were reduced. The result was a massive rise in unemployment from 1.4m in 1979 to 3.5m by 1982, or one in eight people out of work. "I knew that when you change from one set of policies to another, the transition is very difficult," Mrs Thatcher later reflected, "but benefits would come in the longer run."
Margaret Thatcher leaves Downing Street after announcing her resignation on November 22 1990 (© Image © PA/PA Archive/Press Association Images)
Image © PA/PA Archive/Press Association Images
A disunited kingdom
Benefits did come, but not for everyone. Long-term unemployment blighted an entire generation in Northern Ireland (where 20% of people were left out of work), Scotland and the NE and NW of England (16%). Supporters insisted work was there to be found; critics argued it was unreasonable to expect people to leave homes and families to take a job 100 miles away.
A disunited kingdom emerged, as some parts of the country flourished while others faltered. Industry declined in the north; new sectors such as financial services boomed in the south. Mrs Thatcher went further, advocating both economic and moral belligerence. There was "no such thing as society, there are individual men and women and there are families." People should look to their own and not rely on the government for help.
This crystallised into her observation that the only reason the Good Samaritan did any good was "because he had money". Fine: everyone wants money and some made a lot during the Thatcher years, but what if you happened to live in a place where you couldn't earn any?
Selective prosperity
The prosperity Mrs Thatcher brought to Britain was selective, antagonistic and temporary. She did indeed leave Britain "very, very much better", but only for some. She also left it in recession, with unemployment, inflation and interest rates rising.
Above all, not only was she bad for the country during her premiership, she continues to be bad for the country today. The causes of the present slump - unrestricted credit, deregulation and too much financial speculation - all date back to the 1980s. No successive government dared reverse these decisions: a blessing to her legacy, but a curse we must now all share
http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/articles.aspx?cp-documentid=150369015
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Here you are mjdgreg I`ll provide the link for some one else`s writing you`ve stolen
How many times do I have to remind you about my photographic memory?
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Here you are mjdgreg I`ll provide the link for some one else`s writing you`ve stolen
How many times do I have to remind you about my photographic memory?
For as long as you steal someone else's work I guess.
Love the way you have taken your story from the newspaper who are all over the news today being forced to admit how shameful their reporting is - which about sums up this whole story and Margaret Thatcher;s premiership.
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Another economic illiterate here then. I detest the awful woman and all that she stood for.
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Another economic illiterate here then.
At least you're honest if very misguided.
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How many times do I have to remind you about my photographic memory?
What photographic memory? Surely someone with such a fantastic memory as yourself would have remembered this in your favourite newspaper LAST YEAR:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1384726/Ed-Milibands-regret-link-Maggie-grave-man.html
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Oh, and what do you think about your hero's actions over Hillsborough, as revealed in the documents released today? Still the saint you think she is?
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How many times do I have to remind you about my photographic memory?
And one more thing...how come your photographic memory seems to have let slip our forum policy of linking to copyright material, and not incorporating it into individual posts?
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pseaking entirely personally, once the wonderful day dawns when her arms, legs and head do all drop off, I am going to bide my time, and, at a suitably innocent point, drive to her fetid hole in the ground and I am there going to dance on it. I mean it. I have never despised anyone as much as I loathe that dreadful dreadful woman.
Although it's unpopular to say it, she remains the cause, even today, of many, many of our ills. Just a couple of really simple examples: do you enjoy paying for a car park space when yo take someone to hospital? why do they do it? Answewr: beacuse they are not funded properly. And why not? because she made it politically impossible for well over a generation to levy a sensible rate of tax.I would far rather pay more tax myself and have a more sensible approach to basics like that. School playing fields? State of the roads? Continuing delusions of grandeur about the UK role in the world? The sod you selfishness of this entire nation which continues today? Ambulance chasing lawyers? Rocketing insurance costs? Banking scandals? I cold go on and on. But one thing they all have in common: they are all traceable back to the policies and actions of that sodding woman.
BobG
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The Sun? Really? Please ...
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Ah yes. This old myth about how Maggie transformed the British economy.
As with anything that Mick copies and pastes, it's b*llocks. Demonstrable b*llocks.
Britain's long term average growth rate from 1945 to now has been 2.1% per annum. It was that before Maggie. It was EXACTLY the same after Maggie. I'll post a graph from the Office of National Statistics data to demonstrate when I get back to my laptop.
What she DID do was put us through a roller coaster 10 years of massive recession, massive boom and massive recession, all of which eclipsed anything we had seen in the previous 35 years when, apparently so her hagiographers tell us, we were a basket case.
She left office with interest rates, unemployment and inflation higher than they were when she arrived. She ushered in an era of horrific unemployment and enormous social divide where some became spectacularly rich and areas like ours were left to rot.
We did NOT have a stronger economy than France when she left office. Our GDP was 81% as big as France's in 1979 and 83% as big as France's in 1990.
When Thatcher took power. Our GDP was 20% bigger than Italy's. When she left, it was 2% smaller.
But why let facts get in the way of a canonisation eh Mick? You don't normally worry about facts do you, so why change now?
She was a manic ideologue who put us through a decade of right wing experiment. She did nothing, repeat NOTHING to transform our economy. But she made millions suffer along the way.
I have a bottle of champagne that's been on ice for 5 years waiting for the day that she shuffles off. I can wait.
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pseaking entirely personally, once the wonderful day dawns when her arms, legs and head do all drop off, I am going to bide my time, and, at a suitably innocent point, drive to her fetid hole in the ground and I am there going to dance on it. I mean it. I have never despised anyone as much as I loathe that dreadful dreadful woman.
Although it's unpopular to say it, she remains the cause, even today, of many, many of our ills. Just a couple of really simple examples: do you enjoy paying for a car park space when yo take someone to hospital? why do they do it? Answewr: beacuse they are not funded properly. And why not? because she made it politically impossible for well over a generation to levy a sensible rate of tax.I would far rather pay more tax myself and have a more sensible approach to basics like that. School playing fields? State of the roads? Continuing delusions of grandeur about the UK role in the world? The sod you selfishness of this entire nation which continues today? Ambulance chasing lawyers? Rocketing insurance costs? Banking scandals? I cold go on and on. But one thing they all have in common: they are all traceable back to the policies and actions of that sodding woman.
BobG
And that in itself is a reason why we are all referred to as "Children of Thatcher" , she was the most successful Prime Minister and perhaps politician in that she not only successfully implemented her policies, she implanted a legacy that describes Great Britain today, it may not be a Great Britain to be proud of, and one some of us would rather not live in, but you cannot deny that it is still Thatchers Britain.
Tbh the debate has been done to death on Thatcher and not just on this forum but across the entire nation. The towns and Cities of industry up north generally take the view of 'dancing on her grave' while the south who blossomed through the economic boom salute her. She was voted both the most unpopular and popular PM in her 11 year premiership, she proved Britain was not a force to be reckoned with with the Falklands but she also ruined families across the nation which she described as one of her greatest victories while she survived by pure coincidence when the IRA attempted to assassinate her. Inequality grew bigger and while 90% of us got richer the bottom 10% fell through the gaps and were left even poorer. She never lost a General Election but she was finished by the enemy within, and 2 years after that John Major's Conservative Party won the general election with the biggest ever turnout on the books; was that a reward for stabbing Maggie in the back? Tony Blair's successful time at number 10 is often perceived to be because of how much towards the right and Thatcherism he moved Labour.
Love her or hate her you cannot deny that she changed this country (of course whether it was for better or worse is still debatable), she was more than a politician, she was a hurricane in human form...
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Oh dear Mick, whatever credibility you may have had, and personally you didn't have any, then you've really pissed it against the wall. Time to invent another personality.
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Whether you like Margaret Thatcher or not (believe me I am somebody who sits with the former) nobody should ever 'celebrate' the death of another human being. Disgusting but not surprising, trade unionists are among my most loathed people on the planet.
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Whether you like Margaret Thatcher or not (believe me I am somebody who sits with the former) nobody should ever 'celebrate' the death of another human being.
Couldn't have put it better myself.
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Mick's just been viewing, but not bothered posting. Can't think why...unless perhaps he's away on Google finding a reply..!
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Whether you like Margaret Thatcher or not (believe me I am somebody who sits with the former) nobody should ever 'celebrate' the death of another human being. Disgusting but not surprising, trade unionists are among my most loathed people on the planet.
I couldn't agree with you more, it was horrific in the 70's + 80's ; it was an intransigent management v a truculent and unbending TUC. A war neither would/could ever win even if they think they have. To celebrate the death of any human being to me just fills me with disgust and says alot about the folk who think this way.:(
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Mick's just been viewing, but not bothered posting. Can't think why...unless perhaps he's away on Google finding a reply..!
Perhaps Glyn it's because both sides can twist the facts to suit their arguments........no winner here, there rarely is!
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Look, I understand she polarised opinion and does provoke very strong reactions in people. People are entitled to their opinion and she did get quite a lot of things wrong. However I will make another attempt to defend her as i feel if it hadn't been for Maggie we would all be a lot worse off now. Just imagine what would have happened if Foot or Kinnock had got in. I dread to think.
I remember the sheer unremitting awfulness of the 1970s. We had double-digit inflation, price controls, incomes policies, power cuts, the three-day-week and the winter of discontent. The country felt like it was finished. Throughout the 1960s and 1970s, we had been outperformed by every European economy. The Wall Street Journal wrote our epitaph "Goodbye Britain, it was nice knowing you."
Then came Maggie. Inflation fell, strikes stopped, the latent enterprise of a free people was awakened. Having lagged behind for a generation, we outgrew every European country in the 1980s except Spain (which was bouncing back from an even lower place). As revenues flowed in, taxes were cut and debt was repaid, while public spending – contrary to almost universal belief – rose. In the Falklands, Margaret Thatcher showed the world that a great country doesn't retreat forever. And, by ending the wretched policy that had allowed the Soviets to march into Europe, Korea and Afghanistan, she set in train the events that would free hundreds of millions of people from what, in crude mathematical terms, must be reckoned the most murderous ideology humanity has known.
Why, then, do Lefties loathe her? Anti-Thatcherites tell you that it's because she closed down the old industries. (She didn't, of course: she simply stopped obliging everyone else to support them.) Yet it must surely be obvious by now that nothing would have kept the dockyards and coalmines and steel mills open. A similar process of deindustrialisation has unfolded in every other Western European country, and the only parties that still talk of "reviving our manufacturing base" are Respect, the Scottish Socialists and the BNP.
No, what Lefties find so hard to forgive is the lady's very success: the fact that she rescued a country that they had dishonoured and impoverished; that she inherited a Britain that was sclerotic, indebted and declining and left it proud, wealthy and free; that she never lost an election to them. Their rage, in truth, can never be assuaged.
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http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/10037993/Margaret_Thatcher_saved_Britain/
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How many times do I have to remind you about my photographic memory?
And one more thing...how come your photographic memory seems to have let slip our forum policy of linking to copyright material, and not incorporating it into individual posts?
No answer, Mick?
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http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/10037993/Margaret_Thatcher_saved_Britain/
It only took me less than three minutes to find it, you're slipping.
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http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/10037993/Margaret_Thatcher_saved_Britain/
It only took me less than three minutes to find it, you're slipping.
Tell me Glyn , if he agrees with that editorial then why he shouldn't quote it ? Does it stifle debate for any reason, does it not allow you to deconstruct it with your Commie slant on that period of our history ?
I would have thought you would welcome the opportunity not ridicule it.
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http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/10037993/Margaret_Thatcher_saved_Britain/
It only took me less than three minutes to find it, you're slipping.
Tell me Glyn , if he agrees with that editorial then why he shouldn't quote it ? Does it stifle debate for any reason, does it not allow you to deconstruct it with your Commie slant on that period of our history ?
I would have thought you would welcome the opportunity not ridicule it.
He's not quoting it, he's plagiarising it. And it's the forum policy to link to copyrighted material and not incorporate it in the body of a post.
And what exactly is MY 'commie slant'?
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(http://i46.tinypic.com/2dtdg5d.jpg)
As I said. Thatcher did NOTHING to transform our long term GDP growth.
What she DID do was to initiate an era (continued under Blair and Brown) of crazily unstable economic performance, in which some became incredibly wealthy whilst others dropped through the cracks. But the AVERAGE UK economic performance was the same after Thatcher as it was before her.
So, unless someone can find evidence to the contrary, that graph finishes off the argument that we were magically pulled out of the shite by Thatcher.
By the way, the era up to the mid 70s was the one in which Keynesian, active Govt intervention ruled the world. the era from the late 70s onwards has been the one in which we have let business off the leash. Some f**king good it has done us.
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Is it any surprise that you can find articles that express similar views to myself? Not everyone is a leftie. I repeat: I have a photographic memory and do not plagiarise. It is uncanny how I can recall articles that I have read sometimes from years ago almost word for word. I don't do it on purpose and only recall the bits that fit with my views. I would reference the source if I could remember where I first read about it. I do have a shocking memory.
People would be far better off trying to put up an argument against my views rather than just being jealous of my photographic memory. At least BST does try. Obviously he fails abysmally each time but I do love a trier. One day I do hope to turn him from the leftie dark side as he is obviously intelligent and it does amaze me that he holds the views he does.
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I would reference the source if I could remember where I first read about it. I do have a shocking memory.
Then check. I did it in less than three minutes. So can you.
Continual plagiarising of copyrighted material could see your posting rights suspended.
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Is it any surprise that you can find articles that express similar views to myself? Not everyone is a leftie. I repeat: I have a photographic memory and do not plagiarise. It is uncanny how I can recall articles that I have read sometimes from years ago almost word for word. I don't do it on purpose and only recall the bits that fit with my views. I would reference the source if I could remember where I first read about it. I do have a shocking memory.
People would be far better off trying to put up an argument against my views rather than just being jealous of my photographic memory. At least BST does try. Obviously he fails abysmally each time but I do love a trier. One day I do hope to turn him from the leftie dark side as he is obviously intelligent and it does amaze me that he holds the views he does.
A bit of a contradiction there, don`t you think?
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Then check. I did it in less than three minutes. So can you.
Continual plagiarising of copyrighted material could see your posting rights suspended.
Look, I'm too busy running all my successful businesses to waste time checking everything that comes out of my brain. At the moment I'm trying to expand the empire by setting up my wife as a Betterware agent so I really don't have time to waste trawling the internet just to see if my photographic memory has kicked in again. If you think I'm plagiarising then it's up to you what you want to do about it. Maybe you have finally found the excuse you've been looking for to ban me.
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Then check. I did it in less than three minutes. So can you.
Continual plagiarising of copyrighted material could see your posting rights suspended.
Look, I'm too busy running all my successful businesses to waste time checking everything that comes out of my brain. At the moment I'm trying to expand the empire by setting up my wife as a Betterware agent so I really don't have time to waste trawling the internet just to see if my photographic memory has kicked in again. If you think i'm plagiarising then it's up to you what you want to do about it. Maybe you have finally found the excuse you've been looking for to ban me.
If you really haven't cut and pasted all that but typed it all out by hand, then you obviously have more time than you're letting on.
Perhaps you should devote what little time you have to spare to helping your missus if you're that hard pressed.
Oh, and it's not an excuse because it's not directed at you, it applies to everybody. If you can't comply with it that's your fault, not ours.
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A bit of a contradiction there, don`t you think?
If I remember rightly there are different types of memory. I have eidetic abilities. But as far as normal memory goes I am completely useless.
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Perhaps you should devote what little time you have to spare to helping your missus if you're that hard pressed.
All I'm trying to do is relieve some boredom for her. There is only so much cooking and cleaning that she can do. She's certainly not doing it for the money.
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Comments on that graph welcome when you have a minute Mick.
And while you're at it, comments on the claim that Thatcher made us stronger than France and Italy too.
When you're ready...
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If you really haven't cut and pasted all that but typed it all out by hand, then you obviously have more time than you're letting on.
Thanks to my photographic memory I have learned to type at the speed of light. For all you one fingered typists out there I would recommend this course:
http://www.typing-lessons.org/
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Comments on that graph welcome when you have a minute Mick.
And while you're at it, comments on the claim that Thatcher made us stronger than France and Italy too.
When you're ready...
You must think I was born yesterday. It is well known that the moderators lock my threads/posts when in their view they go off tangent. I'm surprised this one hasn't been locked yet. If I gave you an answer then I have no doubt they would use the 'off tangent' rule to lock this thread. Nice try, but I'm not falling for it.
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I have learned to type at the speed of light.
Which knocks on the head your 'I haven't got time' excuse.
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Nothing off tangent Mick.
You started a thread.
You posted a series of "facts".
They have been demonstrated to be incorrect.
Your response to that would be entirely on-topic.
Ready when you are...
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I doubt anyone will get to celebrate the death of Maggie anyway, not as long as she keeps luring children into her gingerbread house and stealing their life essence. I can't say I'll shed a tear when someone finally finds the correct binding spell to banish her back to the Dark Realm, but maybe spending £10 on a party set is a bit much.
Also find it laughable that this one single photo merited an article in a national newspaper, which then merited being posted on here, but then I see it's from The Sun, and it was posted by Mick/mjdgreg/Cpl Shitposter, and it all makes sense. Idiocy begets idiocy, after all.
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Which knocks on the head your 'I haven't got time' excuse.
No it doesn't. The fact that I can type at the speed of light means I have more time to do productive things (like running my businesses and setting our lass up in her own). Effective time management is a skill that any great entrepreneur possesses. I've even advised BST to get some training as I'm keen for his business to survive and flourish.
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Which knocks on the head your 'I haven't got time' excuse.
No it doesn't. The fact that I can type at the speed of light means I have more time to do productive things (like running my businesses and setting our lass up in her own. Effective time management is a skill that any great entrepreneur possesses. I've even advised BST to get some training as I'm keen for his business to survive and flourish.
You`ve said numerous times, that you run your business`s part time, and I would n`t have thought being a betterware agent would take much time setting up, the top and bottom line is you talk bullshit, full stop end of debate! I`m right and you`re wrong!
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Nothing off tangent mjdgreg.
You started a thread.
You posted a series of "facts".
They have been demonstrated to be incorrect.
Your response to that would be entirely on-topic.
Ready when you are...
The thread is about Ed Milliband and his lack of judgement in having his photo taken with someone who wasn't around in the dark days of the 1970's. The questions you ask and the graph have nothing to do with this so in my book is off tangent. I'm sure the moderators agree with me. If you're not careful you'll find that this thread will also get locked because of your 'off tangent' attitude. I would respectfully ask all posters to get back 'on topic' so they don't incur the wrath of the moderators. Thanking you in anticipation for your support.
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You`ve said numerous times, that you run your business`s part time, and I would n`t have thought being a betterware agent would take much time setting up, the top and bottom line is you talk bullshit, full stop end of debate! I`m right and you`re wrong!
Whilst I do enjoy posting on the forum and taking part in lively debates I'm afraid it only forms a minuscule part of my very full and active life. I want my wife to earn more than £25 a week so there is a lot of meticulous planning involved in achieving this objective. The marketing plan should be finished today and she should be fully operational by the middle of next week. As part of her training she will be spending time with me on my round tomorrow. Then maybe I can devote more time to the forum.
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Bullshitting again Mick
YOU raised the issue of Maggie's economic record.
YOU posted incorrect information, passed off as "fact".
You have been pulled up on that and now you claim it is not relevant. In that case, why post it in the first place?
Bullshitting, dissembling and ducking and diving Mick. Just like always. Groundhog Day again. Is Bill Murray another one of your personalities?
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Can anyone else see a Bob Diamond prt II coming?!? :suicide:
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YOU raised the issue of Maggie's economic record.
YOU posted correct information, passed off as "fact".
You have been pulled up on that and now you claim it is not relevant. In that case, why post it in the first place?
Bullshitting, dissembling and ducking and diving mjdgreg. Just like always. Groundhog Day again. Is Bill Murray another one of your personalities?
Look, I'll admit I went a bit off topic with that post if that makes you happy. I've realised the error of my ways and wish nothing more than to get the thread back on topic. I have not claimed your pulling me up as you call it is irrelevant. I'm just mindful of the draconian way the moderators view my threads that go off at a tangent. I'd be grateful if you could assist me in this endeavour.
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Can anyone else see a Bob Diamond prt II coming?!?
There's no way the moderators will allow this to happen. They probably feel the thread has already gone off topic. I really would be grateful if you and BST would stop trying to get it closed down.
To help matters I will try and get us back on topic by saying that I am totally embarrassed by Mr Milliband's actions. He has shown a complete lack of judgement and should be replaced as Labour leader as soon as possible.
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Back on topic, it's beyond me how anyone could rejoice at the death of another human being. Once again I find myself asking what is Millband's alternative to anything, he doesn't seem to have much substance in any of his policies?
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Once again I find myself asking what is Millband's alternative to anything, he doesn't seem to have much substance in any of his policies?
His only policy seems to be to say the opposite of whatever the coalition say. Only thick people will fall for that one.
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Once again I find myself asking what is Millband's alternative to anything, he doesn't seem to have much substance in any of his policies?
His only policy seems to be to say the opposite of whatever the coalition say. Only thick people will fall for that one.
Going off topic again Mick! Your opening post was about Ed being pictured with someone wearing a T shirt, not his policies! ;-)
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Once again I find myself asking what is Millband's alternative to anything, he doesn't seem to have much substance in any of his policies?
His only policy seems to be to say the opposite of whatever the coalition say. Only thick people will fall for that one.
Hence the exact same reason why so many thick people voted for Cameron.
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Going off topic again mjdgreg! Your opening post was about Ed being pictured with someone wearing a T shirt, not his policies! ;-)
See what I mean BST. Even though I'm talking about Ed Milliband's judgement which you would think was a valid thing to talk about in the context of this thread, Filo is deeming it off topic! Now do you understand why I couldn't answer your questions.
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How many times do I have to remind you about my photographic memory?
What photographic memory? Surely someone with such a fantastic memory as yourself would have remembered this in your favourite newspaper LAST YEAR:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1384726/Ed-Milibands-regret-link-Maggie-grave-man.html
As Mick's so keen to get back on-topic, perhaps he can comment on this that he seems to have overlooked...
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Once again I find myself asking what is Millband's alternative to anything, he doesn't seem to have much substance in any of his policies?
His only policy seems to be to say the opposite of whatever the coalition say. Only thick people will fall for that one.
Hence the exact same reason why so many thick people voted for Cameron.
Cameron in fairness has done exactly what he said he was going to on the whole...
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As mjdgreg's so keen to get back on-topic, perhaps he can comment on this that he seems to have overlooked...
I would say that Red Ed showed a serious lack of judgement posing for this photograph. No doubt he talked to the wearer of the T shirt and spent quite a bit of time with him. How he can claim not to have seen what was on the T shirt is unbelievable. What about his people? Surely one of them would have seen the impending PR disaster.
He has further compounded this error by not pursuing the matter further and by not using his influence to get the T shirts banned. Surely one of his people will have been aware of what was going on at the TUC and got it stopped. Then again he probably doesn't want to upset his backers and secretly holds the views expressed on the T shirt. How anyone could vote for this plank amazes me. He is an embarrassment to Doncaster.
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Cameron in fairness has done exactly what he said he was going to on the whole...
Agreed. He had an impossible job trying to clear up Labour's mess.
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I really don't see the fuss tbh, it's a tshirt, those who are of a mind will buy one, ones who aren't won't.
If only we lived in a world where the most important thing for our ministers to stop was a slogan on a garment.
Throughout history peope have sold perhaps inappropriate souviners, mini guillotines and hangmans nooses for example. the world didn't end because of it did it?
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Cameron in fairness has done exactly what he said he was going to on the whole...
Agreed. He had an impossible job trying to clear up Labour's mess.
We`re drifting again Mick, no mention of the T shirt in that post! ;)
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We`re drifting again Mick, no mention of the T shirt in that post!
I'm doing my best but the other posters are doing they're best to get the thread locked!
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I really don't see the fuss tbh, it's a tshirt, those who are of a mind will buy one, ones who aren't won't.
If only we lived in a world where the most important thing for our ministers to stop was a slogan on a garment.
Throughout history peope have sold perhaps inappropriate souviners, mini guillotines and hangmans nooses for example. the world didn't end because of it did it?
To be honest it doesn't bother me in the slightest. I find it very funny that he got so spectacularly caught out in our politically correct world. I just couldn't resist poking fun at him. It was such an easy target. Indeed I would have had more respect for him if he hadn't apologised and said that he agreed with the sentiments expressed. Judging by what most of the posters on here seem to think he would have made himself more popular.
However just imagine the furore there would have been if Dave Cameron had been caught out in such a situation. What if he was photographed with someone with a T shirt that said the same thing about Gordon Brown? I'm pretty sure Ed would have been all over it like a rash, whereas Dave never said anything about the Milliband incident. Food for thought.
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For those who disagree with my planned action come the glorious day, although you can deal with it as you will, so can I. And I am old enough to remember the violence, the misery, the feather nesting, the injustice, the scandals, the mysterious, and convenient, 'disappearance' of the logbook from HMS Conqueror, the growth of her bank account from not much at all to millionairedom, the sheer bloody awfulness of what that woman encouraged and did. I saw the coppers at Rosso pit kick start a riot (literally) and then blame the miners in the full knowledge that they would get away with it. I saw the coppers at Markham Main charge through private houses arresting anybody they could find - including retired schoolteachers, I saw the eye in sky f*** up its number plate recognition that resulted in a Plant worker (father of a mate of mine) spending a whole sodding day in the cells. I am going to celebrate. I celebrated when Pol Pot popped his clogs. I would have celebrated when Hitler did likewise. I celebrated when Pinochet went tits up. I'm going to celebrate when this odious and evil cow does likewise.
BobG
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For those who disagree with my planned action come the glorious day, although you can deal with it as you will, so can I. And I am old enough to remember the violence, the misery, the feather nesting, the injustice, the scandals, the mysterious, and convenient, 'disappearance' of the logbook from HMS Conqueror, the growth of her bank account from not much at all to millionairedom, the sheer bloody awfulness of what that woman encouraged and did. I saw the coppers at Rosso pit kick start a riot (literally) and then blame the miners in the full knowledge that they would get away with it. I saw the coppers at Markham Main charge through private houses arresting anybody they could find - including retired schoolteachers, I saw the eye in sky f*** up its number plate recognition that resulted in a Plant worker (father of a mate of mine) spending a whole sodding day in the cells. I am going to celebrate. I celebrated when Pol Pot popped his clogs. I would have celebrated when Hitler did likewise. I celebrated when Pinochet went tits up. I'm going to celebrate when this odious and evil cow does likewise.
BobG
Like you Bob, living in a pit village I saw first hand what Maggies Militia did, I saw a miner get beat to a pulp, suffered brain damage and got jailed for it because the Police stitched him up, I saw Police vans patroling the streets of Stainforth with the back doors open and coppers in full riot gear ready to jump out and arrest people for no reason, marshal law ruled in the villages around Doncaster, I saw Metropolitan Police officers waving their pay slips in the faces of striking miners, I saw them breaking the doors of peoples houses down, people that did n`t even work at the pit, Thatchers name sits comfortably beside those other dictators you mention Bob. People that were n`t around at that time or did n`t witness scenes like that have no idea what it was like at all. People died digging for coal on the pit tips to keep their families warm, all because Thatcher had an agenda to break the working class!
On the subject of HMS Conqueror this link demonstrates what Thatchers Government were capable of, lies and deceit!
http://belgranoinquiry.com/article-archive/seven-lies
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I truly hope that the Hillsborough report does something else, I hope that it enables a new enquiry about the conduct of 'maggies finest' and the way they conducted themselves during the Miners strike. thugs given free license to beat, bully and ruin the lives of ordinary men trying to feed their families all in the guise of law keepers.
I saw it mentioned on Look North last night. let's hope it happens.
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and anyone else that thinks it's acceptable to rejoice in Maggie's death. It's only the economically illiterate that would hold that view:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4533645/Fury-at-union-party-packs-if-Margaret-Thatcher-dies.html#ixzz26EvNdIMN
Well, shame on me then, I've had a bottle of bubbly in the fridge 10 years waiting for the big day.
For this government I think it might be appropriate to save up for a magnum and I don't mean of the iced chocolate variety either. Evil bas**rds the lot of em with one mission...to destroy the welfare state and privatise everything. Shame on them too.
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Then check. I did it in less than three minutes. So can you.
Continual plagiarising of copyrighted material could see your posting rights suspended.
Look, I'm too busy running all my successful businesses to waste time checking everything that comes out of my brain. At the moment I'm trying to expand the empire by setting up my wife as a Betterware agent so I really don't have time to waste trawling the internet just to see if my photographic memory has kicked in again. If you think I'm plagiarising then it's up to you what you want to do about it. Maybe you have finally found the excuse you've been looking for to ban me.
This is the funniest thing I read this year...successful comedian too!
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What I find ironic is the way people wish death upon her, yet the same people on this forum were picking fault that Osama Bin Laden was "murdered".
Ah, but it's much safer to condemn her publicly because there's no fear of Maggie's fans carrying out the types of repercussions that are produced by Bin Laden's fans!
And even fewer worries of retaliation from Jade Goody fans (remember those on here celebrating her death?)
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Once again I find myself asking what is Millband's alternative to anything, he doesn't seem to have much substance in any of his policies?
His only policy seems to be to say the opposite of whatever the coalition say. Only thick people will fall for that one.
Hence the exact same reason why so many thick people voted for Cameron.
And of course in fairness why so many thick folk voted for Labour too, you would have us under some Marxist/Leninist dictatorship permanently given some of your views on here lately. Perhaps N.Korea might be your niche Glyn but what worries me most is you NEVER show any indication of looking at things in a balanced way.
How long is this forum going to remain as an outlet for the Socialist Workers Party ?
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Once again I find myself asking what is Millband's alternative to anything, he doesn't seem to have much substance in any of his policies?
His only policy seems to be to say the opposite of whatever the coalition say. Only thick people will fall for that one.
Hence the exact same reason why so many thick people voted for Cameron.
And of course in fairness why so many thick folk voted for Labour too, you would have us under some Marxist/Leninist dictatorship permanently given some of your views on here lately. Perhaps N.Korea might be your niche Glyn but what worries me most is you NEVER show any indication of looking at things in a balanced way.
How long is this forum going to remain as an outlet for the Socialist Workers Party ?
ALL parties in opposition just contradict the government, whoever they are, That's what Cameron did, and that was wehy he got elected without any firm policies put before the people. He wouldn't even tell the truth about VAT when it was blindingly obvious they were going to put it up. They're all the same. That balanced enough for you?
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Once again I find myself asking what is Millband's alternative to anything, he doesn't seem to have much substance in any of his policies?
His only policy seems to be to say the opposite of whatever the coalition say. Only thick people will fall for that one.
Hence the exact same reason why so many thick people voted for Cameron.
And of course in fairness why so many thick folk voted for Labour too, you would have us under some Marxist/Leninist dictatorship permanently given some of your views on here lately. Perhaps N.Korea might be your niche Glyn but what worries me most is you NEVER show any indication of looking at things in a balanced way.
How long is this forum going to remain as an outlet for the Socialist Workers Party ?
ALL parties in opposition just contradict the government, whoever they are, That's what Cameron did, and that was wehy he got elected without any firm policies put before the people. He wouldn't even tell the truth about VAT when it was blindingly obvious they were going to put it up. They're all the same. That balanced enough for you?
Better................lol there's no changing you is there! :)
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And of course in fairness why so many thick folk voted for Labour too, you would have us under some Marxist/Leninist dictatorship permanently given some of your views on here lately. Perhaps N.Korea might be your niche Glyn but what worries me most is you NEVER show any indication of looking at things in a balanced way.
How long is this forum going to remain as an outlet for the Socialist Workers Party ?
I agree, he has a very one-sided view of things. I on the other hand, always take the views of others into account before deciding I was right all along.
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Having read the views of others on Maggie, it would seem that some people have understandable animosity towards her. I would like to apologise to those who I offended and retract my statement that only the economically illiterate would wish bad things to happen to her. I did say she did get some things wrong, in particular the way the miner's strike was handled was not something she should be proud of.
I also do not want to appear too sanctimonious about wishing people dead. I have previously stated that I would quite happily execute Gordon Brown. I hold him in the same contempt that others hold Maggie. In my view he has ruined this country's finances for decades and my children and their children will have to bear most of the consequences.
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Firstly, I'd be dubious of any report from Murdoch's "The Sun" which is, as one academic I interviewed succinctly put it, "public relations, propaganda, pornography, and sport on the back pages...and the only part of the paper that could be argued to be journalism is the sports." (Edit: note that the unions booed Ed Balls, and the image The Sun used as juxtaposition was actually about a year old and Ed Miliband even apologised for not spotting the kid's shirt...so congratulations to Murdoch for attacking a politician who dared to challenge his greedy monopoly of our sports and media)
Not forgetting the fact that this is the same paper that demonised the northern industrial areas such as, let's see, Doncaster, for years and our friends over in Liverpool by demonising their fans during the aftermath of Hillsborough, disseminated lying justification for an illegal war that put our troops in unnecessary danger, and supported the most right-wing government in Britain since the Second World War.
Now, as for Thatcher, as a Donny lad, it's natural for me to loathe an individual who decimated entire communities simply because their industries dared to be unionised, deregulated the financial sector which led to the current crisis we're in, supported General Pinochet who was a CIA-installed dictator after the removal of a democratically-elected leader in Chile following the deaths of 3000 people on September 11th, 1973 (and 60,000 more were imprisoned, tortured, or exterminated), alongside creating a culture of "the individual, not society," where citizens were replaced by consumers and Britain became about keeping up with the Joneses and "up yours, Jack, I'm alreet."
That said, I can't separate my Donny roots from my disdain for Thatcher. It's part of our identity, our integrity, our heritage.
As someone else suggested, if you're going to celebrate the deaths of Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, or Gaddafi, considering how few British citizens these people actually harmed, then you sure as heck can't criticise anyone for celebrating the withering away of Thatcher.
As for Miliband himself, if you doubt Labour, then be my guest and have another several years of right-wing, rich-get-richer policies where the north gets shafted while the south is fine, and watch towns like Doncaster get browbeaten even more. :facepalm:
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The one thing I hate her for is the way she 'shafted' the region unmercilessly after the miners strike.
a bit like William the Conqueror only far worse because she 'shafted' her own people.
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She was a superb leader.
Love or loathe her, her policies, her personal views, or her hand bag; she led the country magnificantly.
What have we had since?
The amount of intellectual, seemingly level headed people on here who (literally) have champagne on ice and their dancing shoes polished is extremely disturbing.
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Ah... There could be a reason for that Belton. Think about it. The answer lies in full view right in your comment :)
Cheers
BobG
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Firstly, I'd be dubious of any report from Murdoch's "The Sun" which is, as one academic I interviewed succinctly put it, "public relations, propaganda, pornography, and sport on the back pages...and the only part of the paper that could be argued to be journalism is the sports." (Edit: note that the unions booed Ed Balls, and the image The Sun used as juxtaposition was actually about a year old and Ed Miliband even apologised for not spotting the kid's shirt...so congratulations to Murdoch for attacking a politician who dared to challenge his greedy monopoly of our sports and media)
Not forgetting the fact that this is the same paper that demonised the northern industrial areas such as, let's see, Doncaster, for years and our friends over in Liverpool by demonising their fans during the aftermath of Hillsborough, disseminated lying justification for an illegal war that put our troops in unnecessary danger, and supported the most right-wing government in Britain since the Second World War.
Now, as for Thatcher, as a Donny lad, it's natural for me to loathe an individual who decimated entire communities simply because their industries dared to be unionised, deregulated the financial sector which led to the current crisis we're in, supported General Pinochet who was a CIA-installed dictator after the removal of a democratically-elected leader in Chile following the deaths of 3000 people on September 11th, 1973 (and 60,000 more were imprisoned, tortured, or exterminated), alongside creating a culture of "the individual, not society," where citizens were replaced by consumers and Britain became about keeping up with the Joneses and "up yours, Jack, I'm alreet."
That said, I can't separate my Donny roots from my disdain for Thatcher. It's part of our identity, our integrity, our heritage.
As someone else suggested, if you're going to celebrate the deaths of Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, or Gaddafi, considering how few British citizens these people actually harmed, then you sure as heck can't criticise anyone for celebrating the withering away of Thatcher.
As for Miliband himself, if you doubt Labour, then be my guest and have another several years of right-wing, rich-get-richer policies where the north gets shafted while the south is fine, and watch towns like Doncaster get browbeaten even more.
Fair play Jaybaker, you make a good argument. We need more people like you on the forum. Whilst I might not agree with your views, you do argue your point of view in a thought provoking manner. However your last paragraph let you down very badly. Up until this point you seemed very reasoned but you totally lost the plot in your last paragraph.
Take a tip from me and make sure that what you argue can be thought through until the end. Your very left wing views were held in abeyance until that last paragraph which lost you all credibility. Shame.
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She was a superb leader.
Love or loathe her, her policies, her personal views, or her hand bag; she led the country magnificantly
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I agree. She had her faults, but at least she was a conviction politician. At least you knew where you stood with her.
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Ah... There could be a reason for that Belton. Think about it. The answer lies in full view right in your comment :)
Cheers
BobG
Thanks, Bob. I hadn't thought about it, but I think I understand now.
It's the hand bag, isn't it?
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Ah... There could be a reason for that Belton. Think about it. The answer lies in full view right in your comment :)
Cheers
BobG
Thanks, Bob. I hadn't thought about it, but I think I understand now.
It's the hand bag, isn't it?
Why was it the wrong colour ? Incidentally there never was a full vote taking the Miner's out on strike was there, democracy in action eh.
An earlier poster talked about the money that Thatcher amassed could the same not be said about dear old Arfa and some of his minions too!
The way the miners were treated by the SYP was truly disgusting and I can't ever excuse it anymore than the way some of those striking miners dealt with the so-called scabs who also exercised their democratic rights. That's called balance , like it or not, there were many on both sides that both abused their authority and took the law into their own hands by bullying and cajoling both each other and the general public whilst in some cases 'feathering it's own nests'.
Like any war that have strong protagonists there have to be losers ; would any of you truly want the Donny of those days back in exchange to the forward thinking great town that we live in now........I sincerely hope not!
Please some of you don't raise the miners strike to the level of some great crusade ; quite simply that has and was never the case but I doubt many on here would ever look at it that way. It's far more convenient for some on here to pick and choose the facts that they are comfortable with to fit in with their idealogy. I wonder how many of them actually did well out of the Thatcher era......most no doubt. A chance to own their own homes, to feel they had decent and equal rights in society and to have careers that didn't involve a future potential death sentence of 'white finger' and more importantly pneumoconiosis and associated lung diseases.
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Ah... There could be a reason for that Belton. Think about it. The answer lies in full view right in your comment :)
Cheers
BobG
Thanks, Bob. I hadn't thought about it, but I think I understand now.
It's the hand bag, isn't it?
Why was it the wrong colour ? Incidentally there never was a full vote taking the Miner's out on strike was there, democracy in action eh.
An earlier poster talked about the money that Thatcher amassed could the same not be said about dear old Arfa and some of his minions too!
The way the miners were treated by the SYP was truly disgusting and I can't ever excuse it anymore than the way some of those striking miners dealt with the so-called scabs who also exercised their democratic rights. That's called balance , like it or not, there were many on both sides that both abused their authority and took the law into their own hands by bullying and cajoling both each other and the general public whilst in some cases 'feathering it's own nests'.
Like any war that have strong protagonists there have to be losers ; would any of you truly want the Donny of those days back in exchange to the forward thinking great town that we live in now........I sincerely hope not!
Please some of you don't raise the miners strike to the level of some great crusade ; quite simply that has and was never the case but I doubt many on here would ever look at it that way. It's far more convenient for some on here to pick and choose the facts that they are comfortable with to fit in with their idealogy. I wonder how many of them actually did well out of the Thatcher era......most no doubt. A chance to own their own homes, to feel they had decent and equal rights in society and to have careers that didn't involve a future potential death sentence of 'white finger' and more importantly pneumoconiosis and associated lung diseases.
This kind of sums it up for me, Hoola.
As a thirteen year old, indirectly affected by the strike, I watched on the news two people at war: Scargill and Thatcher.
I asked myself, who would I rather have representing me and my beliefs? A ginger haired, out of touch, two faced Kitson who didn't give a shit about the miners, their families or their future, as long as they were able to wallow in their hardship? Or Thatcher?
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Ah... There could be a reason for that Belton. Think about it. The answer lies in full view right in your comment :)
Cheers
BobG
Thanks, Bob. I hadn't thought about it, but I think I understand now.
It's the hand bag, isn't it?
Why was it the wrong colour ? Incidentally there never was a full vote taking the Miner's out on strike was there, democracy in action eh.
An earlier poster talked about the money that Thatcher amassed could the same not be said about dear old Arfa and some of his minions too!
The way the miners were treated by the SYP was truly disgusting and I can't ever excuse it anymore than the way some of those striking miners dealt with the so-called scabs who also exercised their democratic rights. That's called balance , like it or not, there were many on both sides that both abused their authority and took the law into their own hands by bullying and cajoling both each other and the general public whilst in some cases 'feathering it's own nests'.
Like any war that have strong protagonists there have to be losers ; would any of you truly want the Donny of those days back in exchange to the forward thinking great town that we live in now........I sincerely hope not!
Please some of you don't raise the miners strike to the level of some great crusade ; quite simply that has and was never the case but I doubt many on here would ever look at it that way. It's far more convenient for some on here to pick and choose the facts that they are comfortable with to fit in with their idealogy. I wonder how many of them actually did well out of the Thatcher era......most no doubt. A chance to own their own homes, to feel they had decent and equal rights in society and to have careers that didn't involve a future potential death sentence of 'white finger' and more importantly pneumoconiosis and associated lung diseases.
This kind of sums it up for me, Hoola.
As a thirteen year old, indirectly affected by the strike, I watched on the news two people at war: Scargill and Thatcher.
I asked myself, who would I rather have representing me and my beliefs? A ginger haired, out of touch, two faced c*** who didn't give a shit about the miners, their families or their future, as long as they were able to wallow in their hardship? Or Thatcher?
I agree and had miners in my family, believe me their was an inner circle that got all the strike aid from abroad. There is much that all these 'I love Arthur the t**t' brigade would choose the youngsters who weren't around at the time to forget............it was no great crusade Bob, Barmby, Glyn, BST et al was it think back !! Btw I didn't care for the way Maggie acted either but contrary to any warped supposed 'facts' that some on here choose to select.......life did get better for most. Not all but most.
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Perhaps I should also make clear that I did then, and do now, think that Arthur Scargill was not ony tactically worse than inept, but also strategically stupid. He was also a horrible, horrible man. I once went to Sheffield City Hall to see him 'speak'. 'Fight the Cuts' thing it was. I left there plain appalled. He didn't speak. He ranted. He ranted, screamed and made me think that that man deserved no place in any organisation in this country. He was a maniac of major proportions.
Cheers
BobG
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Fair do's Bob, I'm pleased you saw through the man . Many didn't and still don't to this day he was truly an obnoxious man and intellectually and certainly tactically inept.
Both he and Thatcher destroyed and divided our communities in a way I never ever thought possible in this country. :(