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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: MrFrost on October 02, 2012, 06:14:07 pm
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Silly me.
No I could be wrong, but isn't there a certain number of days they have to issue you with the relevant offence. I was caught doing 71 in a 60 on 9th August, yet the notification only landing through my letterbox today, dated 1st October.
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14 days rings a bell, but I don't know the process if letter is delayed. Think you have scope to argue as you could say you couldn't remember who was driving (if you share the car). However then a photo of said offence may prove this.
Sure there's stuff I've read on Internet that gives advice on this kinda thing, though if you contest it and still found guilty you could end up with a heavier fine/penalty.
... Glad to say though, I've never been caught speeding so I'm not 100% on the whole process, which means I never used any info' i found out and that I can be one of those annoying people who say:
"Simple, just don't speed"
(Sorry)
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I've heard a similar story Frosty. I had a feeling it was 3 months though. But I could easily be wrong. I did celebrate, well, slightly, 2 or 3 years back when 3 months after I was stopped I hadn't received anything. Still haven't actually! Need a lawyer - or Google?
BobG
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Copied from Google I hope this helps,
What are the rules relating to a Notice of Intended Prosecution?
For certain offences, the process can be started by serving a Notice of Intended Prosecution Pursuant to Section 1 of the Road Traffic Offenders Act. Typically, these offences are speeding, failing to comply with traffic signals etc. The obligation is upon the prosecution to have issued and despatched the Notice in order that it arrives with the registered keeper of the vehicle within 14 days of the offence.
Service can be by first class post, by hand or in some circumstances, by recorded delivery. The method of delivery is at the discretion of the prosecution who only have to show that they have followed the correct procedure.
The Notice must be signed (although this can be typed) on behalf of the Chief Constable, must be dated and contain sufficient information for the offence to be identified.
What is the 14 day rule?
The 14 day rule relates only to the period of time in which the Police/Process Unit must serve the original Notice. The Police do not have to prove that the Notice reached its intended recipient within 14 days, merely that in the normal course of events, it should have arrived. In many cases, the registered keeper will be a lease company not the actual driver with the result that even if the driver is unaware of the incident, service of the Notice is good if it was sent to arrive at the registered keeper's last known address within 14 days of the offence.
The Notice of Intended Prosecution was issued out of time, what do I do now?
If you are the registered keeper of the vehicle and the ISSUE date on the Notice of Intended Prosecution is more than 14 days after the offence, then you can reject it. This only applies if it is dated more than 14 days after the alleged offence. It does not apply if it is dated within 14 days but received more than 14 days after the offence. If the NIP has been issued too late, then you should return it to the Process Office stating that you reject it because it is time barred. Bear in mind that if you are not the registered keeper, the NIP may have originally been issued within time and sent to the keeper.
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If you're one of the oh so let's be so above the law and not critisise others then maybe you should take speeding a bit more seriously. Cars kill more people than drugs do, and people speeding thinking it's cool are seriously deluded. What exactly do you do with that time you save? Get stuck in another jam? Or play with yourself for ten minutes longer than I do?
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If you're one of the oh so let's be so above the law and not critisise others then maybe you should take speeding a bit more seriously. Cars kill more people than drugs do, and people speeding thinking it's cool are seriously deluded. What exactly do you do with that time you save? Get stuck in another jam? Or play with yourself for ten minutes longer than I do?
I don't need a lecture, thank you. I'm quite aware of the laws with regards to speeding. I chose to do the speed, so am happy to accept any punishment that comes with it.
After a discussion with Humberside Police, they do only have 14 days to issue the notice, and quite rightly, they will not be persuing this matter any further.
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Oooosh, you lucky bugger!
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Been stung myself. No excuses, wasn't paying close enough attention and didn't spot the sign to take it from 60 down to 50.
Never been caught with it before and my speed was inside the range that you can do the course with, do they send you the details if you're eligible or do you have to request it?
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I think they offer the course to you if you're eligible. You can only have one course within a certain period of time, I believe.
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Yeah, you can only do one if you've not done one in the last three years. Interestingly, you can if it was under the jurisdiction of another force, apparently, so if I want to speed again I'd better make sure I do it in Humberside's area...
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Yeah, you can only do one if you've not done one in the last three years. Interestingly, you can if it was under the jurisdiction of another force, apparently, so if I want to speed again I'd better make sure I do it in Humberside's area...
RedJ, i know of someone (ahem) who did a SYP speed awareness course then got caught in the Humberside region a year or so later.
The paperwork said "if you haven't done one of OUR speed awareness courses in the last three years you are able to attend one etc".
The said course was applied for and accepted.
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I am attending a What's Driving Us Course tomorrow, which was offered by SYP and then on the 14th November I am attending a Speed Awareness Course which was offered by WYP.
Different offences, but I didn't think I would get offered a course for the second offence given the first.
Not complaining, aside from the 7 hours of my life I am never going to get back!
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I take it it's an all day thing then? do they put them on in Doncaster or am I looking at a journey to Sheffield?
Bit of a pisser that the course is only a fiver less than the fine but then I'd sooner take that hit over points.
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They did do them in Doncaster as I did one in the hotel behind b&q a couple of years ago...Trick with them is is not to argue....The people doing the course are normally smug gits who live in a perfect world but whatever you argue back they have heard it before and already have the response lined up...All it achieves is making it last longer as it's not a time limit, just however long it takes to get through it....
When I did mine there was a cocky 20 year old who thought he could argue every point that was made and thought he was a comedian, and we were getting through it at a snails pace...Until the guy behind him leaned forward and threatened to rip his ears off if he didn't shut up..We cracked through it after that...lol
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I take it it's an all day thing then? do they put them on in Doncaster or am I looking at a journey to Sheffield?
Bit of a pisser that the course is only a fiver less than the fine but then I'd sooner take that hit over points.
Its between 3-4 hours, but I am doing 2 hence the 7 hours.
I am doing one at Rotherham (just off Jct 2 of the M18) and one in Leeds. They do them at the Holiday Inn in Doncaster (warmsworth roundabout) but none of the times suited me.
My whats driving us course was £95 and my speed awareness course was £78.50 - depends who you book with - TTC are more expensive I have found.
I am hoping the people running the courses take sympathy on me & my baby brain!
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Ah so there's more than one price? do you get the option who you book with then? I just looked at the link on the SYP site.
I've got 8 annual leave days I'll struggle to use between now and the end of the year, does it tend to come through pretty quickly?
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Usually within a week of you sending the letter back admitting it was you driving.
I did have the option with the one issued by WYP, I booked directly through Kirklees council and it was cheaper.
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Cheers, I'll look into that then. Saves me a little money at least!
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And people moan about taxi drivers speeding lol!
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I take it it's an all day thing then? do they put them on in Doncaster or am I looking at a journey to Sheffield?
Bit of a pisser that the course is only a fiver less than the fine but then I'd sooner take that hit over points.
Taking the course is a better option because you dont have to declare it on car insurance applications.
Any sppeding fines and points put your insurances up for at least five years.
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I take it it's an all day thing then? do they put them on in Doncaster or am I looking at a journey to Sheffield?
Bit of a pisser that the course is only a fiver less than the fine but then I'd sooner take that hit over points.
Taking the course is a better option because you dont have to declare it on car insurance applications.
Any sppeding fines and points put your insurances up for at least five years.
You're ok with 3 points regarding insurance as long as it's an SP30
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The problem is knowing what the speed limit is on a lot of our roads.
While you're concentrating on abiding by the slow, slow, quick quick, slow maximum speed changes on certain sections of our roads, you're being distracted from other aspects of driving. It is those mid-Foxtrot neglected aspects that are often the cause of accidents.
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The problem is knowing what the speed limit is on a lot of our roads.
While you're concentrating on abiding by the slow, slow, quick quick, slow maximum speed changes on certain sections of our roads, you're being distracted from other aspects of driving. It is those mid-Foxtrot neglected aspects that are often the cause of accidents.
ah, but BB, if you had attended one of those awareness courses you would know how to tell what the speed limit is, wherever you are at the time.
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I did attend one, Hound, but the fact of the matter is, while you're working out what the speed limit is you are neglecting other aspects of driving.
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Fair enough, two things at once eh.
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I'm convinced that some speed limits are designed for entrapment. In other cases, the rule makers are definitely guilty of overcomplicating the rules. For instance, instead of having to measure the distance between lamp posts to establish the speed limit, why not simply have a bloody sign telling you what it is!
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There usually is a sign telling you what it is though mate.
Also they often have repeaters on lamp posts as well.
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Usually, and often are not always though mate.
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If the signage is wrong then there would be a case for getting off with the conviction i guess.
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I'm not advocating getting off with speeding, Hound. I'm all for upholding the speeding laws. But they most certainly aren't designed to be user-friendly, so much so that they bring suspicions of entrapment.
What is the point, for instance, of having a road with a speed limit of 50 mph, suddenly reduced to 40 mph for a couple of hundred yards, then put back to 50 mph, other than to strategically place a speed camera in the 40 mph bit?
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you may well find the Speed Awareness course actually quite interesting..... not that I would know :whistle: :whistle:
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On the occasions i was caught speeding it was mainly due to a lack of concentration on my part.
I was only a bit over the limit, but hey, that is enough isn't it.
I often wonder whether those nutcases who bomb through those 50 limits at 70+ on the motorway get done, or those tossers who belt down Hatfield High Street at 70mph at night get caught.
The speed awareness courses actually do put a new perspective on speeding.
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I know they do Hound, I've been on one. I found out that you could do 70 mph on a dual carriageway. I thought you were only permitted to do 70 mph on a motorway.
I learnt that I'd spent a lot of my 40 years of driving going too bloody slow!
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I think it's 14 days in Scotland. No time scale in England
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There's one of them near Tesco in Edenthorpe. Not sure if there's a camera but I always think it's f**king daft. And then in some places I've been you've got roads that drop from 60 down to 30 with next to no warning.
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I read somewhere that there has to have been a fatality or series of accidents at a place before a camera can be installed.
It's funny how many lamp posts in Bradford have flowers round but no camera in sight.
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There's one of them near Tesco in Edenthorpe. Not sure if there's a camera but I always think it's f**king daft. And then in some places I've been you've got roads that drop from 60 down to 30 with next to no warning.
would it be because of Hungerhill school?
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I'm not advocating getting off with speeding, Hound. I'm all for upholding the speeding laws. But they most certainly aren't designed to be user-friendly, so much so that they bring suspicions of entrapment.
What is the point, for instance, of having a road with a speed limit of 50 mph, suddenly reduced to 40 mph for a couple of hundred yards, then put back to 50 mph, other than to strategically place a speed camera in the 40 mph bit?
Towards the end of ParkwY in Sheffield is like that, a speed camera straight after the speed limit sign
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There's one of them near Tesco in Edenthorpe. Not sure if there's a camera but I always think it's f**king daft. And then in some places I've been you've got roads that drop from 60 down to 30 with next to no warning.
would it be because of Hungerhill school?
I'm not saying the change in speed limit is daft. I'm saying there's a repeater for the 50 sign literally one lamp post down the road from the 40, stupidly close, and the final 50 sign is needless.
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Entering Thorne from the Scunny end the first speed limit you hit is 20 mph. There are no Schools or Old Folks Homes (only mine !) and there are only 2 streets turning off it. No Bus route either
After 600 yards the Speed limit goes UP to 30 mph through an area where there is a Railway Station a Pub an Old Folks home a Park entrance a Filling Station many many turnings including crossroads AND it is a Bus Route
So the nearer you get to the Town centre and its "hazards" the higher the speed limit figure is.
The 20 mph is academic though because drivers regularly break the 20 mph by "quite a bit". I estimate some are doing 60 - and I am not kidding and leaving Thorne they are crossing the Canal via a single track bridge.
There are no Speed awareness Courses for getting done in a 20 mph zone either as they say that 20 mph is 20 mph for a reason !
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If you're one of the oh so let's be so above the law and not critisise others then maybe you should take speeding a bit more seriously. Cars kill more people than drugs do, and people speeding thinking it's cool are seriously deluded. What exactly do you do with that time you save? Get stuck in another jam? Or play with yourself for ten minutes longer than I do?
Sorry for being pedantic - and I am not advocating any form of dangerous driving - but cars don't kill anyone. Not a living soul is killed by a car. By drivers, yes, but not by cars..
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It's not true either, in England and Wales in 2016 there were more drug related deaths than deaths on the roads (all deaths, not just those where speed was the contributing factor).
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It's not true either, in England and Wales in 2026 there were more drug related deaths than deaths on the roads (all deaths, not just those where speed was the contributing factor).
How do you know what will happen in 2026? Can you see into the future, if so you couldn't give me the lotto numbers could you?
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Fat fingers
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Entering Thorne from the Scunny end the first speed limit you hit is 20 mph. There are no Schools or Old Folks Homes (only mine !) and there are only 2 streets turning off it. No Bus route either
After 600 yards the Speed limit goes UP to 30 mph through an area where there is a Railway Station a Pub an Old Folks home a Park entrance a Filling Station many many turnings including crossroads AND it is a Bus Route
So the nearer you get to the Town centre and its "hazards" the higher the speed limit figure is.
The 20 mph is academic though because drivers regularly break the 20 mph by "quite a bit". I estimate some are doing 60 - and I am not kidding and leaving Thorne they are crossing the Canal via a single track bridge.
There are no Speed awareness Courses for getting done in a 20 mph zone either as they say that 20 mph is 20 mph for a reason !
Not sure if a 20 mph sign is a mandatory or advisory limit.
On a recent course it was stated that unless the sign has a red border, it’s not mandatory and is just advisory therefore you can’t be prosecuted for it (unless you are exceeding the statutory limit for the road)
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Entering Thorne from the Scunny end the first speed limit you hit is 20 mph. There are no Schools or Old Folks Homes (only mine !) and there are only 2 streets turning off it. No Bus route either
After 600 yards the Speed limit goes UP to 30 mph through an area where there is a Railway Station a Pub an Old Folks home a Park entrance a Filling Station many many turnings including crossroads AND it is a Bus Route
So the nearer you get to the Town centre and its "hazards" the higher the speed limit figure is.
The 20 mph is academic though because drivers regularly break the 20 mph by "quite a bit". I estimate some are doing 60 - and I am not kidding and leaving Thorne they are crossing the Canal via a single track bridge.
There are no Speed awareness Courses for getting done in a 20 mph zone either as they say that 20 mph is 20 mph for a reason !
Not sure if a 20 mph sign is a mandatory or advisory limit.
On a recent course it was stated that unless the sign has a red border, it’s not mandatory and is just advisory therefore you can’t be prosecuted for it (unless you are exceeding the statutory limit for the road)
My wife was a lollipop lady for over 12 years on a busy road, on the numerous courses and refresher courses she had to attend (yes courses to be a lollipop person) they were always told the 20mph is purely advisory and cannot be enforced I've queried it I think its something to do with highways Authority v local Authority
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A cautionary tale.....
A lad I work with was doing some sort of outward bound shit in Cumbria with 3 of his mates. They were sharing the driving of his company car (he'd added them all to the insurance). Got clocked by a speed camera on a empty country road at 7am doing 64 in a 50 but he didnt know. The notice went to the car lease company, who pissed about with it for a bit and then forwarded it to our work. He was on holiday so didnt get it for another 2 weeks. When he got it, he had something like 4 days to respond or go to court, however he couldnt fill in who was driving as none of them could remember who was driving that morning. It was about 6 weeks later after all. He explained it all to the police, but they were adamant the driver had to be identified. He told them he didnt know and so he would say it was him and settle the speeding fine. They said he couldnt as he could be admitting to an offence he didnt commit and they knew he didnt know for sure.
He was summonsed to attend court in Carlisle for failing to identify the driver of the vehicle, and pondered hard over attending in person and throwing himself at the mercy of the court. In the end he didnt go as a friend in the police had told him it would make no difference, and whether he was treated with leniency or not would depend on which side of the bed the judge got out of. He received 6 penalty points and a £800 fine.
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I’ve been on three (might even be four) speed awareness courses, they obviously work.
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To be honest I'm not reyt arsed how effective they are if it means avoiding a fine as the only place I really go a little over the limit (not that it makes much difference) is on the motorway if some Kitson is dawdling and I try and get past him.
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I learned the little speed limits on lamposts are called repeaters, and you can only do 60 on a dual carriageway if there's no fixed or grass central reservation. That's about it.
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That was it for me too - with the Dual Carriageway being the most surprising.
Even a single carriageway with a grass hump separating it from a single carriageway going the opposite was qualifies as a Dual Carriageway where if National Speed Limit signs are deployed you could do 70 ! Weird
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That was it for me too - with the Dual Carriageway being the most surprising.
Even a single carriageway with a grass hump separating it from a single carriageway going the opposite was qualifies as a Dual Carriageway where if National Speed Limit signs are deployed you could do 70 ! Weird
People tend to think “dual carriageway” means there are two lanes going in one direction which it doesn’t as you say.
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Really pleased to see they are putting lane cameras on the bus lanes in Doncaster. I get passed by a dozen or so normal drivers every day on my way to work on York Road because they can't be arsed to wait in the traffic.
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Really pleased to see they are putting lane cameras on the bus lanes in Doncaster. I get passed by a dozen or so normal drivers every day on my way to work on York Road because they can't be arsed to wait in the traffic.
Ibet loads get stung on that bit past the Urban bar and the bit past Casr
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Really pleased to see they are putting lane cameras on the bus lanes in Doncaster. I get passed by a dozen or so normal drivers every day on my way to work on York Road because they can't be arsed to wait in the traffic.
If only they would catch more speeding drivers also...
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If you can't roll a football from one side to the other it's a dual carriageway.
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You haven't seen the potholes in Bradford. 😉
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Really pleased to see they are putting lane cameras on the bus lanes in Doncaster. I get passed by a dozen or so normal drivers every day on my way to work on York Road because they can't be arsed to wait in the traffic.
Unfortunately that seems to be the way of the world these days
Rules apply to everyone else except the person flaunting the rule
Where would I start ? Mobile Phones when driving - Parking on Double Yellows - Parking in Disabled bays even when fully fit - Parking in electric Charging Bays cos they are nearer the door
Although not illegal it p****s me off when people take the right lane at a Roundabout when turning left because there are 10 cars waiting on the left lane - mostly for selfish gits who have"gone round" and thus held the others up.
I could go on (and usually do) but each of us could add a dozen more I suppose
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Really pleased to see they are putting lane cameras on the bus lanes in Doncaster. I get passed by a dozen or so normal drivers every day on my way to work on York Road because they can't be arsed to wait in the traffic.
Unfortunately that seems to be the way of the world these days
Rules apply to everyone else except the person flaunting the rule
Where would I start ? Mobile Phones when driving - Parking on Double Yellows - Parking in Disabled bays even when fully fit - Parking in electric Charging Bays cos they are nearer the door
Although not illegal it p****s me off when people take the right lane at a Roundabout when turning left because there are 10 cars waiting on the left lane - mostly for selfish gits who have"gone round" and thus held the others up.
I could go on (and usually do) but each of us could add a dozen more I suppose
........and I bet most of us have been guilty at some time or another.
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Hahaha I'm one of these people who'll go all the way round if there's a queue to turn.
Every single time without fail. :laugh:
Done the parking in disabled bay but that's only if I'm nipping to a cash machine at the crack of dawn and there's absolutely nobody else about.
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A cautionary tale.....
A lad I work with was doing some sort of outward bound shit in Cumbria with 3 of his mates. They were sharing the driving of his company car (he'd added them all to the insurance). Got clocked by a speed camera on a empty country road at 7am doing 64 in a 50 but he didnt know. The notice went to the car lease company, who pissed about with it for a bit and then forwarded it to our work. He was on holiday so didnt get it for another 2 weeks. When he got it, he had something like 4 days to respond or go to court, however he couldnt fill in who was driving as none of them could remember who was driving that morning. It was about 6 weeks later after all. He explained it all to the police, but they were adamant the driver had to be identified. He told them he didnt know and so he would say it was him and settle the speeding fine. They said he couldnt as he could be admitting to an offence he didnt commit and they knew he didnt know for sure.
He was summonsed to attend court in Carlisle for failing to identify the driver of the vehicle, and pondered hard over attending in person and throwing himself at the mercy of the court. In the end he didnt go as a friend in the police had told him it would make no difference, and whether he was treated with leniency or not would depend on which side of the bed the judge got out of. He received 6 penalty points and a £800 fine.
Had similar when I had a company - requested photo as there were 3 guys (all insured) in the van all stating they couldn’t remember who was driving
I ended up with 6 points and £750
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Oh FFS.
Iv been done now!
72 in a variable speed limit (60) on the M62 between J26 and J27.
Mr Frost, is it definitely 4 days then as the offence was 26th September and the letter is dated 16th October - 20 days difference.
Just to add, it is a company car and the letter dated 16th is addressed to my employer, not the lease company.
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It said on my letter they had to inform you within 14 days of the offence. I've not got it to hand but I'm sure there was a caveat that said something like you can't use that as a defence, I think.
Booked up at the Warmsworth one so I've had to book at the New York Stadium. Luckily I managed to find a class on the week of our Christmas shutdown so I won't lose any annual leave...
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Iv actually looked on their website and it says the notice was issues 28th Sept (despite the letter saying 16th october). Looks like im knackered.
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You been done before? think the upper limit to do a course is 73 in a 60.
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You been done before? think the upper limit to do a course is 73 in a 60.
Yes mate but that was south yorks police. This time was West Yorks. I saw hound was able to do both, fingers crossed.
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You been done before? think the upper limit to do a course is 73 in a 60.
Yes mate but that was south yorks police. This time was West Yorks. I saw hound was able to do both, fingers crossed.
Does the paperwork ask “if you haven’t attended one of OUR courses in the last three years” ?
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f**king variable speed limits. :(
But, since it was on the motorway, am I right in thinking I'll be able to take the motorway awareness course rather than points? I did the speed awareness course less than 12 months ago I am aware, but the letter says "You may only take once of each type of course within a three-year period" and as it names them separately, that to me says I can?
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Not sure about that RJ but as you say, it sounds like it.
Put your application in for the course and see what happens.
I have it on good authority that those variable speed limits shown on the motorways are mandatory, not a suggested speed limit.
I often see people belting through the fifty limits etc and wonder whether they get done.
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Just done the motorway one and it was only about 18 months after I attended the original speed awareness course so you can definitely do it if within the speed tolerances for the course.
The motorway awareness one has only been started in the past few months according to the guy delivering it.
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The motorway one was available when I did my speed one last Christmas, maybe he meant that company or something.
Hound, same, I always see it and I always think along the lines of "hope that Kitson gets stung". Of course this time I was the Kitson that didn't spot the signs... But, are the ones that are on the boards that are just light bulbs (i.e. not the proper graphics ones) mandatory? as the speed awareness course guys said they're only enforceable if they're in a red circle... might ask that when I go for my course.
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I have been told that all the ones in lights are mandatory.
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f**king variable speed limits. :(
But, since it was on the motorway, am I right in thinking I'll be able to take the motorway awareness course rather than points? I did the speed awareness course less than 12 months ago I am aware, but the letter says "You may only take once of each type of course within a three-year period" and as it names them separately, that to me says I can?
Yes, i did the speed awareness course in April then got caught on the variables in August and could do the motorway course instead of points.
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Great stuff. Cheers fellas.
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I'm confused though by the new average speed cameras on the motorway networks. Apart from spotting those little yellow cameras on the gantries on the side of the motorway should there be any other notification that averaging more than 70 will be punished?
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You can pretty much always get away with going 5-6mph above the limit in the average speed check zones anyway tbf.
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I'm confused though by the new average speed cameras on the motorway networks. Apart from spotting those little yellow cameras on the gantries on the side of the motorway should there be any other notification that averaging more than 70 will be punished?
If I am understanding your question properly SM, surely everyone will know that the National speed limit is 70mph.
Why would you need any other notification of that?
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Ah but National Speed limits are different things for different vehicles and different Roads I think I remember from my visit to New York Stadium Speed Course ?
See a National Speed Limit sign as you head for J4 along West Moor Link Road and it will be 60 for a Car as its a Single Carriageway (but less for a Bus for example)
See a National Speed Limit sign as you leave a Town on a Dual Carriageway and it will be 70 for a Car as its a Dual Carriageway (but less for the same Bus)
The Speed for other vehicles are different to a Car in each case. (Sure there must be a Google fact sheet) .... damn I should have just posted this lol
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://www.wmsafetycameras.co.uk/images/speed_limit_table.gif&imgrefurl=https://www.wmsafetycameras.co.uk/speedlimits.php&h=279&w=550&tbnid=aNMMZszNFtC_qM:&q=definition+of+National+Speed+Limits&tbnh=108&tbnw=214&usg=AI4_-kQ540ifiSBnNKRVmTkh776Pr7G_9A&vet=12ahUKEwiurZDe5pTfAhU8ShUIHRErDYUQ9QEwAHoECAYQBg..i&docid=ptDJhSIN146b1M&client=firefox-b-ab&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiurZDe5pTfAhU8ShUIHRErDYUQ9QEwAHoECAYQBg (https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://www.wmsafetycameras.co.uk/images/speed_limit_table.gif&imgrefurl=https://www.wmsafetycameras.co.uk/speedlimits.php&h=279&w=550&tbnid=aNMMZszNFtC_qM:&q=definition+of+National+Speed+Limits&tbnh=108&tbnw=214&usg=AI4_-kQ540ifiSBnNKRVmTkh776Pr7G_9A&vet=12ahUKEwiurZDe5pTfAhU8ShUIHRErDYUQ9QEwAHoECAYQBg..i&docid=ptDJhSIN146b1M&client=firefox-b-ab&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiurZDe5pTfAhU8ShUIHRErDYUQ9QEwAHoECAYQBg)
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Ah but National Speed limits are different things for different vehicles and different Roads I think I remember from my visit to New York Stadium Speed Course ?
See a National Speed Limit sign as you head for J4 along West Moor Link Road and it will be 60 for a Car as its a Single Carriageway (but less for a Bus for example)
See a National Speed Limit sign as you leave a Town on a Dual Carriageway and it will be 70 for a Car as its a Dual Carriageway (but less for the same Bus)
The Speed for other vehicles are different to a Car in each case. (Sure there must be a Google fact sheet) .... damn I should have just posted this lol
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Agreed Wolfie, but it would be strange wouldn’t it, if you didn’t know what sort of vehicle you were driving.
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Agree it would - currently I am in a dream car on a Rovers Motorway !! Its such a good journey I am speeding to my next assigment on Saturday ! (not touched a drop - well its only 8 am)
... and I will set off super early as its an early kick off. They got me once so far in Cleethorpes (leaving of course) and I am determined never again (in the same area)
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Agree it would - currently I am in a dream car on a Rovers Motorway !! Its such a good journey I am speeding to my next assigment on Saturday ! (not touched a drop - well its only 8 am)
Ha ,nice one.
Remember though, one speed camera at a time mate.
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I was going back after the game on Saturday and went through the lights at Amber on Balby Rd.
I started tohit the brakes to stop but carried on as it was wet and lights changed to red as I got to the far side. Hopefully made it in time as never had any points since 1971.
I'm just annoyed as I usually go back on the M18, A1 but as it was 8:30 at night I'd go through Balby and reminisce. At least we won if the worst comes to the worst but it makes it an expensive day out.
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I shouldnt worry - as there cant be any Cameras there surely because people make a habit os speeding up to get through on Amber
I was taught in Highway Code that Amber meant "prepare to Stop"
Now it means "prepare to stick your foot down in case the Lights go Red"
Most of them go through on Red with a Mobile stuck to the side of their heads too
(Sorry Victor Meldrew mode this morning)
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I'm confused though by the new average speed cameras on the motorway networks. Apart from spotting those little yellow cameras on the gantries on the side of the motorway should there be any other notification that averaging more than 70 will be punished?
If I am understanding your question properly SM, surely everyone will know that the National speed limit is 70mph.
Why would you need any other notification of that?
You're obviously not reading my question properly though are you? I know what the National speed limit is. What I was asking is if there was any other notification that the average speed cameras that are prevalent on the newer sections of the motorway network are in actual fact operational.
I do somewhere in the region of 28k miles a year for work, which makes my risk greater than yours I'm sure. I'm not suggesting I'm given a green light to speed to my hearts content, but it's a known fact that the average speed on open sections of the motorway network are in the region of 77/78 mph. A fact acknowledged by this government who have discussed increasing the limit to 80mph. Keeping up with the flow of traffic could well be a cause for concern.
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Thing is, you'll still get Kitsons driving at 87/88 if you increase it.
Plus, it burns 25% more fuel driving at 80mph and on top of that, you only gain 10 minutes from driving at 80mph for two hours straight or something like that (I've probably posted further up the thread somewhere). Not really worth it.
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I'm confused though by the new average speed cameras on the motorway networks. Apart from spotting those little yellow cameras on the gantries on the side of the motorway should there be any other notification that averaging more than 70 will be punished?
If I am understanding your question properly SM, surely everyone will know that the National speed limit is 70mph.
Why would you need any other notification of that?
You're obviously not reading my question properly though are you? I know what the National speed limit is. What I was asking is if there was any other notification that the average speed cameras that are prevalent on the newer sections of the motorway network are in actual fact operational.
I do somewhere in the region of 28k miles a year for work, which makes my risk greater than yours I'm sure. I'm not suggesting I'm given a green light to speed to my hearts content, but it's a known fact that the average speed on open sections of the motorway network are in the region of 77/78 mph. A fact acknowledged by this government who have discussed increasing the limit to 80mph. Keeping up with the flow of traffic could well be a cause for concern.
I think there has to be a notice (such as the National Speed Limit sign with a Camera shown below it) to designate that the area you are entering is subject to Cameras periodically). There are some on Wheatley Hall Road and "the Van" only appears between those 2 signs
Similarly there are some just after the Green Tree and about a mile afterwards and "the Van" is then allowed to operate there
It seems bizarre that a person could speed outside thos areas and not get nicked.
So I think the answer to your question is somewhere in there. Average Speed Cams at Stocksbridge By Pass (which was a muderous stretch) have the Cam logo as you enter and leave them and I think they have to display the Speed you must comply with)
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But that's my point Wolfy. We all know the requirements around average speed cameras on other roads and the speed required is displayed. However the new cameras on the motorway network are operational 100% of the time (I'm led to believe) and yet no speed limit is displayed, nor is there any signs which indicate they are operational 100% of the time. I'm just looking for clarification that's all.
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On managed/smart motorways I always make sure that I'm doing 70/75 and no more. Never had a ticket yet.
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But that's my point Wolfy. We all know the requirements around average speed cameras on other roads and the speed required is displayed. However the new cameras on the motorway network are operational 100% of the time (I'm led to believe) and yet no speed limit is displayed, nor is there any signs which indicate they are operational 100% of the time. I'm just looking for clarification that's all.
But that's my point Wolfy. We all know the requirements around average speed cameras on other roads and the speed required is displayed. However the new cameras on the motorway network are operational 100% of the time (I'm led to believe) and yet no speed limit is displayed, nor is there any signs which indicate they are operational 100% of the time. I'm just looking for clarification that's all.
Someone will know - but I cant add owt !
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But that's my point Wolfy. We all know the requirements around average speed cameras on other roads and the speed required is displayed. However the new cameras on the motorway network are operational 100% of the time (I'm led to believe) and yet no speed limit is displayed, nor is there any signs which indicate they are operational 100% of the time. I'm just looking for clarification that's all.
As I said before SM, the national speed limit on a motorway is 70mph, unless signs, lit up or on circular signs, tell you differently.
Usually, when you enter a motorway the national speed limit sign (a black diagonal line through a white circle)is clearly shown, telling you that the NSL is in use.
Why should there be signs to say that the cameras are in use 100% of the time.
The cameras are there to deter drivers from speeding.
They are in use all the time by the way.
I have noticed that in heavily congested areas of the motorways, peak time traffic I suppose, that when the variable limit is dropped to say 60mph for a while, the traffic flows much better.
Perhaps this is because people don't all queue down the outside lane, 25 yards from the car in front and constantly touching their brakes.
The drivers who belt along at considerably over 70mph are a menace and are one of the biggest reasons for fatal accidents.
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And almost always driving a f**king BMW.
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Well RJ, I drive one but I don't drive like a maniac.
I usually find it is the people in small cars who do that.
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Aye, there'll always be one cock who's driving a f**king Punto like a Formula One car.
Much like white van men obviously not everyone such as yourself falls into the same category - but the stereotype exists for a reason... :)
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And almost always driving a f**king BMW.
Surprised you’ve seen a BMW in Moorends 😜
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Oi, we'll have less of that. I live in Wheatley nowadays. :laugh:
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But that's my point Wolfy. We all know the requirements around average speed cameras on other roads and the speed required is displayed. However the new cameras on the motorway network are operational 100% of the time (I'm led to believe) and yet no speed limit is displayed, nor is there any signs which indicate they are operational 100% of the time. I'm just looking for clarification that's all.
As I said before SM, the national speed limit on a motorway is 70mph, unless signs, lit up or on circular signs, tell you differently.
Usually, when you enter a motorway the national speed limit sign (a black diagonal line through a white circle)is clearly shown, telling you that the NSL is in use.
Why should there be signs to say that the cameras are in use 100% of the time.
The cameras are there to deter drivers from speeding.
They are in use all the time by the way.
I have noticed that in heavily congested areas of the motorways, peak time traffic I suppose, that when the variable limit is dropped to say 60mph for a while, the traffic flows much better.
Perhaps this is because people don't all queue down the outside lane, 25 yards from the car in front and constantly touching their brakes.
The drivers who belt along at considerably over 70mph are a menace and are one of the biggest reasons for fatal accidents.
Hound, give it a rest. I was looking for information not a lecture.
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And almost always driving a f**king BMW.
Surprised you’ve seen a BMW in Moorends 😜
I saw a Cat with a tail once in Moorends but quickly realised it was only passing through
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But that's my point Wolfy. We all know the requirements around average speed cameras on other roads and the speed required is displayed. However the new cameras on the motorway network are operational 100% of the time (I'm led to believe) and yet no speed limit is displayed, nor is there any signs which indicate they are operational 100% of the time. I'm just looking for clarification that's all.
As I said before SM, the national speed limit on a motorway is 70mph, unless signs, lit up or on circular signs, tell you differently.
Usually, when you enter a motorway the national speed limit sign (a black diagonal line through a white circle)is clearly shown, telling you that the NSL is in use.
Why should there be signs to say that the cameras are in use 100% of the time.
The cameras are there to deter drivers from speeding.
They are in use all the time by the way.
I have noticed that in heavily congested areas of the motorways, peak time traffic I suppose, that when the variable limit is dropped to say 60mph for a while, the traffic flows much better.
Perhaps this is because people don't all queue down the outside lane, 25 yards from the car in front and constantly touching their brakes.
The drivers who belt along at considerably over 70mph are a menace and are one of the biggest reasons for fatal accidents.
Hound, give it a rest. I was looking for information not a lecture.
It wasn’t a lecture SM, it was information.
You said that no speed limits are displayed.
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I was going back after the game on Saturday and went through the lights at Amber on Balby Rd.
I started tohit the brakes to stop but carried on as it was wet and lights changed to red as I got to the far side. Hopefully made it in time as never had any points since 1971.
I'm just annoyed as I usually go back on the M18, A1 but as it was 8:30 at night I'd go through Balby and reminisce. At least we won if the worst comes to the worst but it makes it an expensive day out.
I've been caught on balby road where the shops are, I thought I'd gone through on amber too.
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I was at the one on the top of Sandford Rd. Jenny.