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Viking Chat => Lucky Pint => Topic started by: bobjimwilly on March 04, 2013, 05:51:58 pm
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Following Saturday’s terrific win over Hartlepool, BetButler make Rovers 7/4 chances to win at the MK Dons this Tuesday and step up the pressure on the chasing pack.
It’s now five unbeaten for Rob Jones and the boys and they take on a Dons team who are without a win in eight and have dropped in the bottom half of the table, though they do have a couple of games in hand. Saturday’s stalemate with Preston at the Stadium:mk was their third 1-1 draw in a row. A similar scoreline against Rovers can be backed at 11/2, while the draw is 5/2.
Surprisingly, given the two teams’ respective league positions, Karl Robinson’s side are favourites to get the three points at 6/4. :blink:
Despite topping the table, BetButler still aren’t convinced that Rovers are the real deal when it comes to winning the League 1 title and have Brian Flynn’s squad at 9/2 to be outright winners, the same odds as Brentford and behind Sheffield United (9/4). Swindon are also 9/2 while Yeovil are 10/1 and it’s 14/1 and upwards the others.
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Think weve been underdogs in most of our away games.(betting wise)
Id love to know if Id put a tenner on us on every away game how much Id be up now? :crying:
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Rovers: Woods, Quinn, McCombe, Jones, Spurr, Cotterill, Lundstram, Harper, Husband, Coppinger, Hume Subs: Maxted, Wakefield, Griffin, Howieson, Bennett, Paynter, Sinclair
MK Dons: McLoughlin, Lewington, Williams, Potter, Bowditch, Chicksen, Lowe, Powell, Lines, Kay, Chadwick subs: Kouo-Doumbe, Gleeson, McLeod, Flanagan, Baldock, Rasulo
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Harper?
Fcuksake.
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Harper starts, oh boy. Hopefully Lundstrum can carry him towards something resembling a performance.
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Lets Hope Brian can bring another central midfield in for Saturday we cannot carry Harper, if we hope to keep going at the top.
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Get Howieson on!!!!!
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Trouble is with Keegan and Syers injured, we don't have much of an option. Although I would have played Cotterill in the centre with Lundstram and Copps on the wing. Paynter would have partnered Hume up front
COYR
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Oh shit. I thought we'd got past this. Harper playing in front of Griffin, Howieson, Bennett or Paynter? Any of which could have been shuffled about to put out a balanced team.
That's crap I'm sorry.
I hope the rest of the lads can cope and I really hope for a good result, but with that clown playing I can't bring myself to listen to the commentary. Too stressful.
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Enough of this negativity - Harper to be MOTM today
COYR
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I am sorry boys but we do not have another defensive midfield player, with only Griffin maybe in that position. Now Cotterill cannot tackle when on the wing so centre midfield is not his position, Howieson is a winger also. So we need a defensive midfield player.
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A win for Rovers 0 -2. MOTM Copps.
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How do I change commentary to the MK one (just in case ours goes balls up)? not used Player before, would like to be prepared for any eventuality (dog's at the feet already!).
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2-1 to us, Cotts free kick and Hubby last minute winner ghosting in on he far post
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I am sorry boys but we do not have another defensive midfield player
Which defensive midfield player did we play on Saturday?
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"How do I change commentary to the MK one (just in case ours goes balls up)? not used Player.
When you get logged in, you will have to chose between the commentaries by clicking in the appropriate check box. At any time you can switch from one to t'other.
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"How do I change commentary to the MK one (just in case ours goes balls up)? not used Player.
When you get logged in, you will have to chose between the commentaries by clicking in the appropriate check box. At any time you can switch from one to t'other.
Cheers DBR. If only I could get the bloody sound through headphones :( suspect that's down to my computer though
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Anybody know of any live sreams that actually cover lge 1 games. Otherwise it's Man u v Real, while keeping an eye on here. Cheers.
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Anybody know of any live sreams that actually cover lge 1 games. Otherwise it's Man u v Real, while keeping an eye on here. Cheers.
It's not going to be on unless it's broadcast on an international channel somewhere and I highly, highly doubt that it is.
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I'd play Hume and Copps in a 5 man midfield with Paynter upfront and Harper on the bench.
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Thanks RA.
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Trust me I'd much rather be watching Rovers than Man U - Madrid, like you :P
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Any early indications as to how Rovers have started?
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Quiet from both sides it seems. Early half chance when the keeper cocked up a clearance.
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Quiet from both sides it seems. Early half chance when the keeper cocked up a clearance.
Ours or theirs?
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Quiet from both sides it seems. Early half chance when the keeper cocked up a clearance.
Ours or theirs?
Theirs. Fell to Hume I think, couldn't make the right contact with it from what I made of it.
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Wolves winning
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RS reporting "extremely steady" start to the game. AKA very boring with nowt happening.
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MK with a good chance on pen spot but chose to pass not shoot just now, otherwise no dramas but them most possession. Rovers defending solid, not much of a crowd
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We need to settle down, we can take these :scarf:
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Disallowed, bloody hell.
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We thought it was in but hard to from this end
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It was in, offside apparently.
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Husband again with that disallowed one :scarf:
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Is it one of those dodgy smooth green pitches slowing us down?
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Whoever had money on Husband first goalscorer at 40/1 will be wanting the lino's address then! We're just getting our eye in, keep it up Rovers!
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Sounds like MK getting a foothold in the game now. Could be a nervy one.
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Quinn saved us twice in couple of mins, got caught on his heel, couple of times where MK should have shot. Then Woodsy parries one but smothers it. On back foot but soaking it up
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We are hoofing it too much and no control in midfield.
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Nearly goal, Woodsy hesitated, flashed across face of goal, could easy have been one down
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According to RS it was Harper who scored but it was disallowed for a foul by Hubby.
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Rovers absorbing the punches at the moment by the sounds of it.
"Should be beating this lot" ;)
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Not hoofing, they're clearances, we have no possession
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Woods fish out of water twice, drop/punch, then we waste good chance on counter
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But he hasn't conceded though... Possession? 55% according to bbc stats....
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But he hasn't conceded though... Possession? 55% according to bbc stats....
Sounds about that - they seem all over us and we don't sound able to string more than a few passes.
Hope Stan can correct me.
Edit: just discovered the stats button - again not seeing the wood for the trees - and that says the same figure.
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It's a game where if we can get in front their confidence will be shot, just doesn't look like it's likely at the moment.
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Woeful positioning from Woods on free kick
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Ooooh! Off the post, brilliant save by woods
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I do fancy us to get a goal. They're on a poor run so are going for it. Soak it up and grab one.
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It`s not sounding good at the moment is it?
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Good news Chadwick coming off - bonus
COYR
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Offside goal for MK. f**k sake Donny wake up.
Chadwick off, MacLeod on...
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Lucky! Sounding like we're totally being pushed back. Chadwick off - he's sounded one of their better players. Fingers crossed this change affects them badly
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We need to push on or we're going to concede soon.
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Possession in midfield is usually poor when Harper plays.
Is that the case now?
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We need to step it up otherwise we will get beat
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We're not going to dominate every game like last Saturday. Dig in, like Tranmere, Sheff Ut and Swindon away, and try and score when we can..
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Arsing around at the back too much again, it sounds like.
Not heard Harper's name more than once or twice, make of that what you will.
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"Harper not up to match fitness"
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Need to get to half time and regroup here. Doesn't appear to very pretty.
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Don't want to scapegoat him because I'm not there but Harper plays, and we look poor. Coincidence?
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Nice one Gary Woods....again. :crying: :suicide:
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"Woods can't hold it" goal :suicide:
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b*llocks
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For f**k sake Woods.
Last time you'll catch me defending him.
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Woods. :facepalm:
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Woods again ffs
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f**ks sake. Woods spills it yet again. I've never known anything like this, he is in shambolic form even by his own low standards.
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You must be joking.
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Get this clown out of our goal now.
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Is that another spill from Woods?
3 in 4 games! FFS!
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Nice one Gary Woods....again. :crying: :suicide:
:headbang: :suicide: He can't hold the frigging ball can he ? :mad:
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don't panic, we'll win 2-1
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We have no other options than to play Woods.
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Always do it the f**king hard way don't we.
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Matter of time, Woods down to his right should have held it, it was coming. No midfield, not putting foot on ball, keeper not up to the job, lucky to be only one
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Is that another spill from Woods?
3 in 4 games! FFS!
The only games he doesnt make some sort of f**k up is where we are so dominant the opposition dont get a chance on goal....its beyond a joke.
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Play Maxted on Saturday. Anyone who defends Woods after what, the 4th (or 5th!?) error in 3 weeks needs their mental state evaluating. What planet are we on to persist with this clown!?
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It's getting to the stage where he is spilling more than he's catching now. Unbelievable. Absolutely indefensible, top of the league teams can't have keepers like that.
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Keep positive - we can still get a result here
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The usual we need at least 2 goals to win scenario.
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We've not even had a chuffing shot yet.
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It's getting to the stage where he is spilling more than he's catching now. Unbelievable. Absolutely indefensible, top of the league teams can't have keepers like that.
Some of us have been saying this since last season!
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I'm not defending Woods' mistake tonight (haven't seen it) but is it his fault that MK have had 9 efforts on goal to our none?
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We've got to get someone in.
I'm sorry - and you'll know from my past posts this isn't a kneejerk reaction - but f**king Handicap Gary just isn't good enough. Absolute clown.
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If we get more than 30% possession at half time BBC is wrong
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Goalkeepers should save you more points than they cost you. Difficult to say that's the case here.
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It's getting to the stage where he is spilling more than he's catching now. Unbelievable. Absolutely indefensible, top of the league teams can't have keepers like that.
Some of us have been saying this since last season!
I have too mate. But no, he's only young, he's improving, we have to wrap him in cotton wool and never say anything mean about him!
TWD has it spot on, he's been made to look good by a defence that by and large has left him with little to do all season, and even then he manages to cock up the most routine things. If I was a player, and I was working hard all week being organised and sweating blood for the team, I wouldn't be happy having that clown chucking them in every other week behind me.
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good to hear Bankrobber playing at half-time
we need a 2nd half raid
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Play Maxted on Saturday. Anyone who defends Woods after what, the 4th (or 5th!?) error in 3 weeks needs their mental state evaluating. What planet are we on to persist with this clown!?
I have said it many times before that it is a team game - how many times have our strikers missed a sitter, how many times have our midfield not prevented an attack and how many times have our defenders not defended well enough. You have to blame the team not just one individual
COYR
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We have no other options than to play Woods.
We have of course we have...............3 bloody seasons of saying we need a keeper and we've never sorted it. We only have ourselves to blame or should I say 3 managers :mad:
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1st line of defence is attack there are 11 players on the field but what a surprise its woods fault
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Were we on 66 before tonight or is Player's table in denial?
Thought we were only a point clear.
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He could have a shite on Copps head and some folk would say it's Copps fault.
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No shots, No Corners and No f**king hope!
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We have no other options than to play Woods.
We have of course we have...............3 bloody seasons of saying we need a keeper and we've never sorted it. We only have ourselves to blame or should I say 3 managers :mad:
What other options do we currently have? Maxted - untested at senior level. Sullivan - too old and on loan.
With how we dilly dally getting players in on loan, I dare say we won't be bringing anyone in.
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Play Maxted on Saturday. Anyone who defends Woods after what, the 4th (or 5th!?) error in 3 weeks needs their mental state evaluating. What planet are we on to persist with this clown!?
I have said it many times before that it is a team game - how many times have our strikers missed a sitter, how many times have our midfield not prevented an attack and how many times have our defenders not defended well enough. You have to blame the team not just one individual
COYR
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Enough glosterred ........there are no more excuses for this. Yes it is a 'teamgame' and he shouldn't be in it. PERIOD.
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Handicapped from the start playing Pointer & the juggler
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No shots, No Corners and No f***ing hope!
There are 45 minutes to play Filo, no hope.?????
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Is anyone (on here) actually at the game or are we all commenting on a 'mistake' we have heard about on Player?
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Play Maxted on Saturday. Anyone who defends Woods after what, the 4th (or 5th!?) error in 3 weeks needs their mental state evaluating. What planet are we on to persist with this clown!?
I have said it many times before that it is a team game - how many times have our strikers missed a sitter, how many times have our midfield not prevented an attack and how many times have our defenders not defended well enough. You have to blame the team not just one individual
COYR
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A goalkeeper is charged with having to make less errors than the rest of the team due to the nature of the role. His position is the last line of defence, we can excuse the occasional mistake but when a goalkeeper is dropping the ball in the net costing us goals 4 times in a 4 week spell he is playing in the wrong position. It is as simple as that. I'm not blaming him for a bad team performance or whatever, I am blaming him for costing us goals with his errors which I feel I've every right to do.
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Is anyone (on here) actually at the game or are we all commenting on a 'mistake' we have heard about on Player?
Standanista is at the game.
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Play Maxted on Saturday. Anyone who defends Woods after what, the 4th (or 5th!?) error in 3 weeks needs their mental state evaluating. What planet are we on to persist with this clown!?
I have said it many times before that it is a team game - how many times have our strikers missed a sitter, how many times have our midfield not prevented an attack and how many times have our defenders not defended well enough. You have to blame the team not just one individual
COYR
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Enough glosterred ........there are no more excuses for this. Yes it is a 'teamgame' and he shouldn't be in it. PERIOD.
Who else then..? Name someone available??
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Whilst Woods has what looks to be like a career ending problem with actually catching the feckin ball, to lay the blame solely at his door is missing the critical problem - our outfield has been dire tonight.
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1st line of defence is attack there are 11 players on the field but what a surprise its woods fault
Absolutely it is when you look at what he's let in this evening....Id have given my 8 year old daughter a 50/50 chance of saving it.
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Is anyone (on here) actually at the game or are we all commenting on a 'mistake' we have heard about on Player?
Commentators: Woods will be disappointed not to hold that or at least push it wide.
Liam Hoden says the same.
Standanista (on this thread): Woods down to his right should have held it.
They are all at the game.
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We shouldn't have to be scoring 2-3 goals a game just because Woods is always liable to chuck one in! What happened to accountability and responsibilty? We're not playing well but that doesn't mean Woods should just chuck one in to make it fair. He has a responsibility to the team which he's not fulfilling. Bad keeper. End of.
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Most Of you lot are fcuking idiots
BELIVE
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The Woods mistake seems to have blinded people from the fact that we've had no shots so far and can't string passes together. Maybe if we could get the ball in the opposition half that would help...
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Play Maxted on Saturday. Anyone who defends Woods after what, the 4th (or 5th!?) error in 3 weeks needs their mental state evaluating. What planet are we on to persist with this clown!?
I have said it many times before that it is a team game - how many times have our strikers missed a sitter, how many times have our midfield not prevented an attack and how many times have our defenders not defended well enough. You have to blame the team not just one individual
COYR
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A goalkeeper is charged with having to make less errors than the rest of the team due to the nature of the role. His position is the last line of defence, we can excuse the occasional mistake but when a goalkeeper is dropping the ball in the net costing us goals 4 times in a 4 week spell he is playing in the wrong position. It is as simple as that. I'm not blaming him for a bad team performance or whatever, I am blaming him for costing us goals with his errors which I feel I've every right to do.
But are you blaming the strikers for missing a goal - no you are not, the best way to win games is scoring goals, if the strikers don't do that we wont win. But no one blames them when they miss and we do not win - we jump on the blame the goalkeeper band wagon
COYR
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Maxted is even worse than Woods, our only option is to get a keeper on loan but that doesn't seem to be one of Brian's priorities.
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Most Of you lot are fcuking idiots
BELIVE
Haha.
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Most Of you lot are fcuking idiots
BELIVE
Why are we and what is there so far to suggest that we're going to score?
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even Joe Hart would let one in at the Alamo - he's a keeper not a brick wall
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Doesn't matter who is in goal if we can't get the ball out of our own half we wont win anyway.
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Doesn't matter who is in goal if we can't get the ball out of our own half we wont win anyway.
But we'd be at 0-0, which is better than 0-1.
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Most Of you lot are fcuking idiots
BELIVE
We do 'BELIVE' Oslo that this lad's day for outing has now arrived. However sounds like the rest of our play is pretty dour too.........it's not looking good.
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Tis only half time but the way the game has gone is entirely down to our own making. Cannot see the point of selecting a midfield player who has proven not to be up to the job.
There were another of other options that Flynn could have used including starting with Paynter and playing Hume in an advanced midfield role instead of Paynter.
If he insisted we needed another holding midfielder, he could have played Griffin however tactically that would invite them on and, on they have come. The same formation as Saturday would have helped us to keep them more occupied. The back four are capable of protecting themselves without a nodding donkey playing on their toes and getting in everyone's way. Feel sorry for Lundstarm who the commentators are saying is having to do Harper's share of the work.
I'll resist making any judgement about the goal but second half we need a change immediately otherwise we'll be 2 down before you know it.
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Maxted is even worse than Woods....
Based on what?
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Play Maxted on Saturday. Anyone who defends Woods after what, the 4th (or 5th!?) error in 3 weeks needs their mental state evaluating. What planet are we on to persist with this clown!?
I have said it many times before that it is a team game - how many times have our strikers missed a sitter, how many times have our midfield not prevented an attack and how many times have our defenders not defended well enough. You have to blame the team not just one individual
COYR
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A goalkeeper is charged with having to make less errors than the rest of the team due to the nature of the role. His position is the last line of defence, we can excuse the occasional mistake but when a goalkeeper is dropping the ball in the net costing us goals 4 times in a 4 week spell he is playing in the wrong position. It is as simple as that. I'm not blaming him for a bad team performance or whatever, I am blaming him for costing us goals with his errors which I feel I've every right to do.
But are you blaming the strikers for missing a goal - no you are not, the best way to win games is scoring goals, if the strikers don't do that we wont win. But no one blames them when they miss and we do not win - we jump on the blame the goalkeeper band wagon
COYR
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I know what you're saying, I do. I don't give the striker's a free pass when they miss opportunities. And I nor anyone else criticising Woods here is saying he is solely to blame for why we aren't winning or why we aren't playing well etc. But I don't think it is sound logic to dismiss his errors by saying "well what about all our other failings." When talking purely about his performance he cannot be defended. A goalkeeper shouldn't be costing us goals and points at the rate he is. One or two errors every now and then you can excuse, but it is becoming an increasing problem for us.
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Play Maxted on Saturday. Anyone who defends Woods after what, the 4th (or 5th!?) error in 3 weeks needs their mental state evaluating. What planet are we on to persist with this clown!?
I have said it many times before that it is a team game - how many times have our strikers missed a sitter, how many times have our midfield not prevented an attack and how many times have our defenders not defended well enough. You have to blame the team not just one individual
COYR
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Enough glosterred ........there are no more excuses for this. Yes it is a 'teamgame' and he shouldn't be in it. PERIOD.
Come then who do you play - Woods, Maxted or get Sullivan back from loan. I remember a season or two ago people on here were demanding that Woods played because Sullivan was to old and no longer good enough - people have got what they wanted.
Bringing in a new keeper, great, but we have had to ship lots of players out before the season started due to budget cuts. We have got what we can afford.
I still say it is a team game and we should be blaming the rest of the team for no shots, no shots on target and no corners yet. Team game
COYR
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Tis only half time but the way the game has gone is entirely down to our own making. Cannot see the point of selecting a midfield player who has proven not to be up to the job.
There were another of other options that Flynn could have used including starting with Paynter and playing Hume in an advanced midfield role instead of Paynter.
If he insisted we needed another holding midfielder, he could have played Griffin however tactically that would invite them on and, on they have come. The same formation as Saturday would have helped us to keep them more occupied. The back four are capable of protecting themselves without a nodding donkey playing on their toes and getting in everyone's way. Feel sorry for Lundstarm who the commentators are saying is having to do Harper's share of the work.
I'll resist making any judgement about the goal but second half we need a change immediately otherwise we'll be 2 down before you know it.
At least Griffin can hold onto the ball and play a pass.
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This is now a massive test of Flynns abilities - if he hasn't sorted the tactics and players, I seriously worry for us for the rest of the season.
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It's been pretty much constant pressure on defence 45 mins. If midfield claim their wages first half they're thieves. Defence has done good but dyke was gonna be breached eventually. Woods hesitant and error prone, was never a good save first time off post, was his bad positioning in first place and he never knew where ball was till he woke up cuddling it. Ditto his dropped catch followed by three yard punch, then spill for goal.
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Jones off. Oh for f**ks sake.
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Jones off injured. Griffin on at LB, Spurr CB.
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But are you blaming the strikers for missing a goal - no you are not, the best way to win games is scoring goals, if the strikers don't do that we wont win. But no one blames them when they miss and we do not win - we jump on the blame the goalkeeper band wagon
COYR
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Goalkeepers get punished more for mistakes. Makes it all the more important that you have a reliable one, doesn't it? You can't compare Woods to a striker missing a chance, at all. Just because his job is less forgiving doesn't mean we should overcompensate and never blame him for anything when he clearly isn't good enough. We haven't played well but that doesn't mean we should tolerate Woods not doing his job properly, yet again.
Oh, and "what about everyone else being rubbish" is not an valid argument for why you think Woods is a good keeper.
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Maxted is even worse than Woods....
Based on what?
Take it you didn't go to any games preseason. Trust me, Woods is the best of the 3 keepers we've got on our books, which says all you need to know about our goalkeeping situation.
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Jeez! Jones off - should then have moved Spurr to centre back and Husband to left and brought on Paynter and dropped Copps back a bit.
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Now we are f**cked. Jones off, Spurr to CH and Griffin to full back. Joker still on.
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Whats up with Jones?
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But are you blaming the strikers for missing a goal - no you are not, the best way to win games is scoring goals, if the strikers don't do that we wont win. But no one blames them when they miss and we do not win - we jump on the blame the goalkeeper band wagon
COYR
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Goalkeepers get punished more for mistakes. Makes it all the more important that you have a reliable one, doesn't it? You can't compare Woods to a striker missing a chance, at all. Just because his job is less forgiving doesn't mean we should overcompensate and never blame him for anything when he clearly isn't good enough. We haven't played well but that doesn't mean we should tolerate Woods not doing his job properly, yet again.
Oh, and "what about everyone else being rubbish" is not an valid argument for why you think Woods is a good keeper.
Same keeper all season and top of the league - yet we complain
COYR
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Take it you didn't go to any games preseason. Trust me, Woods is the best of the 3 keepers we've got on our books, which says all you need to know about our goalkeeping situation.
Seen him on a couple of youth games on player and Chelsea TV, and saw him at Exeter. Very impressed with him.
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Maxted is even worse than Woods....
Based on what?
Take it you didn't go to any games preseason. Trust me, Woods is the best of the 3 keepers we've got on our books, which says all you need to know about our goalkeeping situation.
I saw Maxted at Rotherham in pre-season and thought he did okay.
I don't think pre-season is a very good indicator though. Rob Jones kept scoring OG's in pre-season and Martin Woods scored in almost every friendly.
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But are you blaming the strikers for missing a goal - no you are not, the best way to win games is scoring goals, if the strikers don't do that we wont win. But no one blames them when they miss and we do not win - we jump on the blame the goalkeeper band wagon
COYR
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Goalkeepers get punished more for mistakes. Makes it all the more important that you have a reliable one, doesn't it? You can't compare Woods to a striker missing a chance, at all. Just because his job is less forgiving doesn't mean we should overcompensate and never blame him for anything when he clearly isn't good enough. We haven't played well but that doesn't mean we should tolerate Woods not doing his job properly, yet again.
Oh, and "what about everyone else being rubbish" is not an valid argument for why you think Woods is a good keeper.
Same keeper all season and top of the league - yet we complain
COYR
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Sorry gloster but that is a great example of something papering over the cracks. Our league position and the ability of outfield players are not good defences of Woods' individual ability.
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But are you blaming the strikers for missing a goal - no you are not, the best way to win games is scoring goals, if the strikers don't do that we wont win. But no one blames them when they miss and we do not win - we jump on the blame the goalkeeper band wagon
COYR
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Goalkeepers get punished more for mistakes. Makes it all the more important that you have a reliable one, doesn't it? You can't compare Woods to a striker missing a chance, at all. Just because his job is less forgiving doesn't mean we should overcompensate and never blame him for anything when he clearly isn't good enough. We haven't played well but that doesn't mean we should tolerate Woods not doing his job properly, yet again.
Oh, and "what about everyone else being rubbish" is not an valid argument for why you think Woods is a good keeper.
Same keeper all season and top of the league - yet we complain
COYR
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Sorry gloster but that is a great example of something papering over the cracks. Our league position and the ability of outfield players are not good defences of Woods' individual ability.
And how many saves has he made to keep us in games - no one is mentioning that
COYR
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Better, taking it to em
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Well a negative substitution for me, Husband back to left back Copps on wing and Paynter on would have been the positive move.
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Same keeper all season and top of the league - yet we complain
COYR
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Top of the league despite him. The defence has left him with very little to do most games and he still contrives to lob it in every chance he gets. I just don't know how many more times we're going to have this before the end of the season. Or are you not a proper supporter unless you mindlessly happy clap everyone even after countless cock ups?
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Trust me, Woods is the best of the 3 keepers
I bet Lee Butler could give him a run for his money even though he's 'retired'.
Sounds a bit better second half so far.
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Let down twice in two attacks by final ball, but better this half
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I support the whole team (11 players plus subs) not 10 and have a go at the keeper at every opportunity
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But are you blaming the strikers for missing a goal - no you are not, the best way to win games is scoring goals, if the strikers don't do that we wont win. But no one blames them when they miss and we do not win - we jump on the blame the goalkeeper band wagon
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Goalkeepers get punished more for mistakes. Makes it all the more important that you have a reliable one, doesn't it? You can't compare Woods to a striker missing a chance, at all. Just because his job is less forgiving doesn't mean we should overcompensate and never blame him for anything when he clearly isn't good enough. We haven't played well but that doesn't mean we should tolerate Woods not doing his job properly, yet again.
Oh, and "what about everyone else being rubbish" is not an valid argument for why you think Woods is a good keeper.
Same keeper all season and top of the league - yet we complain
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Sorry gloster but that is a great example of something papering over the cracks. Our league position and the ability of outfield players are not good defences of Woods' individual ability.
And how many saves has he made to keep us in games - no one is mentioning that
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But are you blaming the strikers for missing a goal - no you are not, the best way to win games is scoring goals, if the strikers don't do that we wont win. But no one blames them when they miss and we do not win - we jump on the blame the goalkeeper band wagon
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Goalkeepers get punished more for mistakes. Makes it all the more important that you have a reliable one, doesn't it? You can't compare Woods to a striker missing a chance, at all. Just because his job is less forgiving doesn't mean we should overcompensate and never blame him for anything when he clearly isn't good enough. We haven't played well but that doesn't mean we should tolerate Woods not doing his job properly, yet again.
Oh, and "what about everyone else being rubbish" is not an valid argument for why you think Woods is a good keeper.
Same keeper all season and top of the league - yet we complain
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Sorry gloster but that is a great example of something papering over the cracks. Our league position and the ability of outfield players are not good defences of Woods' individual ability.
And how many saves has he made to keep us in games - no one is mentioning that
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Well why don't you mention it then Glos and tell us?
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Bag a shite
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No excuse for Woods' recent circus act, shit team performance today or not. I'd bet even teams near the bottom of the league wouldn't put up with carrying such a liability in a single position for as long as we have.
It's a team game yes, yet one bloke isn't up to the job. A good keeper can dig you out when you're having a bad game, all the good teams have one. How many times have we seen opposition keepers look almost impossible to beat at the KM when we've dominated, yet rarely happens the other way around? Well guess what, we're not unlucky, that is what a competent L1 keeper is capable of.
How often have we seen an opposition keeper make a mistake in our favour that some think is acceptable of Gary Woods on a semi-regular basis? Doesn't happen very often at all, maybe once a season.
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I support the whole team (11 players plus subs) not 10 and have a go at the keeper at every opportunity
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I do support the team. That doesn't extend to blind worship of every single person at the football club. I call people on their mistakes and would expect anyone to do the same of me. Someone on here the other day brought up the point about mindless happy-clappers and I'm starting to see what they were on about.
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Hume's coming off apparently. Lost this. On to the next then..
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Come on boys........ we can do this
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But are you blaming the strikers for missing a goal - no you are not, the best way to win games is scoring goals, if the strikers don't do that we wont win. But no one blames them when they miss and we do not win - we jump on the blame the goalkeeper band wagon
COYR
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Goalkeepers get punished more for mistakes. Makes it all the more important that you have a reliable one, doesn't it? You can't compare Woods to a striker missing a chance, at all. Just because his job is less forgiving doesn't mean we should overcompensate and never blame him for anything when he clearly isn't good enough. We haven't played well but that doesn't mean we should tolerate Woods not doing his job properly, yet again.
Oh, and "what about everyone else being rubbish" is not an valid argument for why you think Woods is a good keeper.
Same keeper all season and top of the league - yet we complain
COYR
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Sorry gloster but that is a great example of something papering over the cracks. Our league position and the ability of outfield players are not good defences of Woods' individual ability.
And how many saves has he made to keep us in games - no one is mentioning that
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But are you blaming the strikers for missing a goal - no you are not, the best way to win games is scoring goals, if the strikers don't do that we wont win. But no one blames them when they miss and we do not win - we jump on the blame the goalkeeper band wagon
COYR
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Goalkeepers get punished more for mistakes. Makes it all the more important that you have a reliable one, doesn't it? You can't compare Woods to a striker missing a chance, at all. Just because his job is less forgiving doesn't mean we should overcompensate and never blame him for anything when he clearly isn't good enough. We haven't played well but that doesn't mean we should tolerate Woods not doing his job properly, yet again.
Oh, and "what about everyone else being rubbish" is not an valid argument for why you think Woods is a good keeper.
Same keeper all season and top of the league - yet we complain
COYR
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Sorry gloster but that is a great example of something papering over the cracks. Our league position and the ability of outfield players are not good defences of Woods' individual ability.
And how many saves has he made to keep us in games - no one is mentioning that
COYR
Well why don't you mention it then Glos and tell us?
Countless times and you all know it but are just happy to have someone to have a go at - Woods is the new Lewis Guy
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2-0
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Hume off and Harper still on so basically given up on this one.
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Come on boys........ we can do this
No chance now.
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2-0. Balls.
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Game over. 2-0 down, Paynter on for....Hume. The Joker still on !!
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30 mins to go................... and we give up?
May as well have a go at it
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Sounds like we're totally piss poor tonight :(
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Sounds like we're totally piss poor tonight :(
Like we have been for several weeks, barring Saturday.
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Sounds like we're totally piss poor tonight :(
Like we have been for several weeks, barring Saturday.
We were good on Tuesday and against Yeovil as well.
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Sounds like we're totally piss poor tonight
Predictable.
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Unpopular substitution
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Game over time for bed useless rovers ill be back Saturday if your not bothered then neither am I
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ha ha, Modric just equalised against a 10 man Manure
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Husband off for Bennett?????
Goodnight.
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Has Flynn lost his mind? Harper still on
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Has Flynn lost his mind? Harper still on
How this man is even on the field after his recent performances is a disgrace. I'd stick one of the young ones in there.
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Wolves 2 up.
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This is yet another major missed opportunity. So much for turning the corner. We don't seem to be the same resilient side away as we were under Saunders.
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MK Dons' 1st win since New Years day. They are on their arses yet have given us a pasting.
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Jesus Christ you'd have think someone has died given the comments on here! :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
Bad day, bad performance, bad decisions.. Hopefully no bad injuries?
There's more important things in life than football...
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Yep, just checked the table and we are still top - Brentford losing also
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Unless we get some bodies in we will get spanked again on Saturday.
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Jesus Christ you'd have think someone has died given the comments on here! :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
Bad day, bad performance, bad decisions.. Hopefully no bad injuries?
There's more important things in life than football...
What did Jones come off for at half time?
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Sheff Utd with a game in hand though.
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Harper lost the ball leading to another chance there.
Sheff Utd with a game in hand though.
Aye but it's all on them.
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Jesus Christ you'd have think someone has died given the comments on here! :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
Bad day, bad performance, bad decisions.. Hopefully no bad injuries?
There's more important things in life than football...
Arguable :whistle: When Rovers are doing well it seems to parallel other things in life, at least it adds a bit of sparkle.
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Unless we get some bodies in we will get spanked again on Saturday.
Will we? I thought we would have a tougher game against Pools given their recent form, but we didn't...
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Jesus Christ you'd have think someone has died given the comments on here! :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
Bad day, bad performance, bad decisions.. Hopefully no bad injuries?
There's more important things in life than football...
It's a match thread, what else are we going to talk about? I'm hardly going to start banging on about how I'm looking forward to a stag weekend on Friday on the match thread, am I?
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No chance of turning this around, roll on full time, it's like waiting to be shot
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No chance of turning this around, roll on full time, it's like waiting to be shot
I think waiting for Saturday may feel more like that.
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Unless we get some bodies in we will get spanked again on Saturday.
Will we? I thought we would have a tougher game against Pools given their recent form, but we didn't...
We had a midfield on Saturday not tonight, plus Hume is clearly still not fit and Saturday will come too soon. Will Jones be fit? So yes we will get spanked if we don't get some bodies in.
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Jesus Christ you'd have think someone has died given the comments on here! :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
Bad day, bad performance, bad decisions.. Hopefully no bad injuries?
There's more important things in life than football...
It's a match thread, what else are we going to talk about? I'm hardly going to start banging on about how I'm looking forward to a stag weekend on Friday on the match thread, am I?
You're missing my point..
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Flynn needs to get Fowler back if he's not getting a midfielder in on loan
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Embarrassing.
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f**ks sake. What a disgrace.
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3-0 Woods not happy with his defenders - I wait to see if they are castigated for there error?
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Embarassing, but... we are top of the league :scarf:
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Does nothing for our goal difference either.
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Deserved this for how we have played, set up and to be frank Flynn's tactics.
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Top of the league, your havin' a laugh.
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Deserved this for how we have played, set up and to be frank Flynn's tactics.
This does worry me :(
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Got to sort the midfield out.
Copps and Lundstram in the middle for me on Saturday surely.
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Well, can't win them all. Flynn needs to get the lads in tomorrow for a post mortem. Sounds absolutely dire tonight. Midfield non-existent. Move on to the next game
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Wonder what Flynn will have to say about this, after banging on about turning the corner.
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Flynn should take the blame for this. Woods can have the blame for the first if he was at fault for it but if were trying to win a game then we can't just have the ball in our half for 90 minutes of a game and letting the opposition come at us. Tactics and team selection is wrong.
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Jesus Christ you'd have think someone has died given the comments on here! :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
Bad day, bad performance, bad decisions.. Hopefully no bad injuries?
There's more important things in life than football...
It's a match thread, what else are we going to talk about? I'm hardly going to start banging on about how I'm looking forward to a stag weekend on Friday on the match thread, am I?
You're missing my point..
I was referring to your last comment about there being more important things in life than football. Just because someone sounds pissed off in an online environment specifically designed for talking about one thing doesn't mean they're actually raving mad in real life. I don't go around stabbing a Gary Woods voodoo doll even if he draws my ire on here. Big difference between online and real-life feelings.
More worried about injuries at this point though tbh. 3-0 embarrassing really, wipes out all the good work we did Saturday.
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Got to write this one off - start again saturday
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3-0 Woods not happy with his defenders - I wait to see if they are castigated for there error?
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What error?
You have noticed the numerous posts in this thread castigating Harper? It aint just Woods who gets the stick, he's just getting some for poor handling (again).
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3-0? Somone could've said something! :P
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Disgrace???
Disappointing, yes, of course. Disgrace, no. That's my point about relative importance...
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3-0 Woods not happy with his defenders - I wait to see if they are castigated for there error?
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What error?
You have noticed the numerous posts in this thread castigating Harper? It aint just Woods who gets the stick, he's just getting some for poor handling (again).
There error in not preventing the shot in the first place and yes I have noticed the thread castigating Harper, and I repeat it is a team game and they are all at fault for this defeat not just the 2 getting the rough end of the stick
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3-0 Woods not happy with his defenders - I wait to see if they are castigated for there error?
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What error?
You have noticed the numerous posts in this thread castigating Harper? It aint just Woods who gets the stick, he's just getting some for poor handling (again).
There error in not preventing the shot in the first place
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Aye, Chris did say the defenders hadn't closed him down.
Still, it isn't good enough.
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Disgrace???
Disappointing, yes, of course. Disgrace, no. That's my point about relative importance...
Sounds as if the performance is disgraceful. Just spoke to someone on the phone who is there, clear booing and abuse being hurled at Flynn by the sound of it.
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We've allowed MK Dons to have 18 shots tonight, thats the midfield and defences fault.
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3-0 Woods not happy with his defenders - I wait to see if they are castigated for there error?
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What error?
You have noticed the numerous posts in this thread castigating Harper? It aint just Woods who gets the stick, he's just getting some for poor handling (again).
There error in not preventing the shot in the first place
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The entire team has come in for plenty of stick tonight, not just Woods. Come off it.
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Highlight of tonight: nice ground.
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3-0 Woods not happy with his defenders - I wait to see if they are castigated for there error?
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What error?
You have noticed the numerous posts in this thread castigating Harper? It aint just Woods who gets the stick, he's just getting some for poor handling (again).
There error in not preventing the shot in the first place
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Is that an error? You aint gonna prevent a side from shooting, it's football. Maybe they could have closed him down but as I'm not there I can't say anyone has made a glaring mistake (unlike the keeper error).
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I swear MachoMadness can't make a post that doesn't contain the word "Woods" in or be about him.
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3-0 Woods not happy with his defenders - I wait to see if they are castigated for there error?
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What error?
You have noticed the numerous posts in this thread castigating Harper? It aint just Woods who gets the stick, he's just getting some for poor handling (again).
There error in not preventing the shot in the first place
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The entire team has come in for plenty of stick tonight, not just Woods. Come off it.
No the 2, Harper and Woods have had the rough end of the stick tonight the rest have got off lightly
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Ha... "Flynn must have know he was short before tonight" - you couldn't script it.
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Sounds as if the performance is disgraceful. Just spoke to someone on the phone who is there, clear booing and abuse being hurled at Flynn by the sound of it.
Whilst I worry about Flynns tactics, its only that so far. Hurling abuse at Flynn is sick. Fans like this DO need to get a life, preferably sitting watching Man U on TV
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Chance for Paynter not taken - do I hear him getting castigated - no I don't
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We were always running a real risk of coming unstuck at some stage with such a thin squad.
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We were always running a real risk of coming unstuck at some stage with such a thin squad.
But most squads in this league contain only about 20 players? I really don't think it's the size of the squad that is the problem.
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Chance for Paynter not taken - do I hear him getting castigated - no I don't
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Maybe it was down to their defender not making an error LOL
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Chance for Paynter not taken - do I hear him getting castigated - no I don't
Its easier to clearly say a keepers at fault. Midfield obviously poor, but the rest of the squad doesn't seem to have earned their money tonight and can more easily blame other things than Woods can.
I do hate the Franchise :evil:
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3-0 Woods not happy with his defenders - I wait to see if they are castigated for there error?
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What error?
You have noticed the numerous posts in this thread castigating Harper? It aint just Woods who gets the stick, he's just getting some for poor handling (again).
There error in not preventing the shot in the first place
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Is that an error? You aint gonna prevent a side from shooting, it's football. Maybe they could have closed him down but as I'm not there I can't say anyone has made a glaring mistake (unlike the keeper error).
Yes it is an error for not defending correctly, Woods had no chance with the shot, the defenders should have closed down the striker
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To me, disgrace means things like spitting at an opponent or a sending off through stupidity, not a poor performance nor mistakes. If the team isn't good enough, manager or individual players on this occasion, so be it, disappinting and we know we can all do better. That's why I say folks are over reacting. You'd think Woods had murdered someone, and Harper even before a ball had been kicked...
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Cotts got booked didn't he?
I think that's his 10th.
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3-0 Woods not happy with his defenders - I wait to see if they are castigated for there error?
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What error?
You have noticed the numerous posts in this thread castigating Harper? It aint just Woods who gets the stick, he's just getting some for poor handling (again).
There error in not preventing the shot in the first place
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Is that an error? You aint gonna prevent a side from shooting, it's football. Maybe they could have closed him down but as I'm not there I can't say anyone has made a glaring mistake (unlike the keeper error).
Yes it is an error for not defending correctly, Woods had no chance with the shot, the defenders should have closed down the striker
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So strikers should never be able to shoot, if they do it's the fault of the defence.
Jeez, what a boring game football would be if defenders were super human and prevented every shot. That's not the reality, fortunately. I might have to google this but I think that's why we have a player dedicated to keeping goal.
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In other news, Keane vs Southgate providing great entertainment on ITV.
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I wanted Keano to lamp him then :lol:
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3-0 Woods not happy with his defenders - I wait to see if they are castigated for there error?
COYR
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What error?
You have noticed the numerous posts in this thread castigating Harper? It aint just Woods who gets the stick, he's just getting some for poor handling (again).
There error in not preventing the shot in the first place
COYR
Is that an error? You aint gonna prevent a side from shooting, it's football. Maybe they could have closed him down but as I'm not there I can't say anyone has made a glaring mistake (unlike the keeper error).
Yes it is an error for not defending correctly, Woods had no chance with the shot, the defenders should have closed down the striker
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So strikers should never be able to shoot, if they do it's the fault of the defence.
Jeez, what a boring game football would be if defenders were super human and prevented every shot. That's not the reality, fortunately.
Thats not what I am say and you know it - I am saying that the defenders (Doncaster Rovers defenders) should have done there job better and closed him down to stop him shooting. If they don't it is there error not anyone else
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I wanted Keano to lamp him then :lol:
What happened? was busy putting my right peg through t'mutt :(
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21583980
1 shot on target all night? :pinch:
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Sorry Glos but are you saying they should have just prevented THAT particular shot? How on earth would they know which shot to prevent - you are surely saying they should prevent every shot - they can't pick and choose.
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I wanted Keano to lamp him then :lol:
What happened? was busy putting my right peg through t'mutt :(
A disagreement over Nani's red card in the Manure v Madrid game. Keane surprisingly thought it was a red card, then started laying into Nani for his diving reputation while Southgate was arguing there was no intent. Worth catching on +1, I can't do it justice!
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I wanted Keano to lamp him then :lol:
What happened? was busy putting my right peg through t'mutt :(
A disagreement over Nani's red card in the Manure v Madrid game. Keane surprisingly thought it was a red card, then started laying into Nani for his diving reputation while Southgate was arguing there was no intent. Worth catching on +1, I can't do it justice!
Sounds classic. Must catch this. :laugh:
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Best football-related thing to come out of tonight, sadly! :(
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My thoughts on tonight. Sounds like we were rubbish but, the spine of our midfield is injured, others are playing with knocks, some aren't fit, a few are rubbish and we've no spare players. The squad is paper thin and some of our players are knackered. Sounds like MK were on top form and they've got their tactics correct from playing us a few weeks ago, oh and we lost our captain. You can't blame Flynn for any of that, we just have to hope we get some players in for the weekend. No point slagging players or the manager off.
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Sorry Glos but are you saying they should have just prevented THAT particular shot? How on earth would they know which shot to prevent - you are surely saying they should prevent every shot - they can't pick and choose.
Like you, listening to the commentary, they did not close that particular shot down as they should have done, you're right they are not going to stop every shot and I don't expect them to - but if we are going to blame people for their mistakes on this forum then the defenders tonight must take their share of the blame and particularly for that goal - along with Gary Woods, the midfield and the strikers not just the 2(Woods and Harper) who have taken more than their fair share of the blame for tonights performance. We should also not forget Flynn, as the manager, he picks the team, decides how they are going to play and he should also take his share as well.
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We had a 8/10 performance on Saturday against a team that allowed us to play and the teams got over confident from words like "Excellent" being banded around. MK would have been up for the game as well, seeing as they were playing top of the league. Flynn also made some bad choices tonight.
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Keane was a superb player but as a man he is a bell end. He has some serious personality issues buried in his life. He would cause an argument in a room full of lobotomised single cell amoeba after a session on Ketamine.
To argue that Nani's tackle was dangerous play because he should consider the fact that there are 21 other players on the pitch is f**king ridiculous. If you argue that, you argue that EVERY time a player's foot goes more than 2 foot off the ground, he should be sent off. Because he may, potentially, unwittingly make contact with a player out of his field if vision.
I hate Man U with every football-supporting nerve in my body. The ones that are left hate the whole f**king Champions League charade. But tonight's game was a big spectacle. And the ref f**ked it up big style. Bad, bad, bad decision.
Rovers eh? f**king ell.
Move on lads. Bad night for us. Still in box seat and if we did it the easy way, it'd be f**king boring, like in 2003/04
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I will blame individuals when I see the highlights if anyone was seriously at fault. I'm only giving Woods a bit of stick as that error seems clear cut, once again very poor handling, which is OK once in a while but it's happening far too frequently to be comfortable with. He's obviously struggling more than most with his form so if we're serious about wanting autopromo then it's time to give him a rest and bring in someone on loan.
PS I agree with BST about Nani, awful decision, he wasn't even looking at the RM player and only caught him at waist height, stinks of bent ref to me.
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I will blame individuals when I see the highlights if anyone was seriously at fault. I'm only giving Woods a bit of stick as that error seems clear cut, once again very poor handling, which is OK once in a while but it's happening far too frequently to be comfortable with. He's obviously struggling more than most with his form so if we're serious about wanting autopromo then it's time to give him a rest and bring in someone on loan.
Why is Gary Woods error any more clear cut than the defenders error for not closing down Gleeson for the shot, if you can blame Gary Woods for his handling error having only listened to the commentary same as me - then you should be able to blame the defenders for that goal and Billy Paynter for the miss at the end
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Glosterred
A goalkeeper who regularly fumbles straightforward shots is NOT equivalent to a defender who doesn't close down. Closing down is something that can be affected by the striker's ability to switch feet or pace or direction. So a defender can look poor even though he has done a decent, professional job of trying to "close down".
When your keeper fumbles straightforward efforts on a regular basis, it's the equivalent of a defender who passes a simple ball straight to an opposition forward. Every other week. Or one who regularly misses simple, unchallenged headers in the box.
I've really tried with Woods, but he's taking at least 0.99 steps backwards for every one forwards. He's never shown anything to suggest that he is a big asset to the team, in terms if regularly putting in performances that give an air of confidence. And, at THE most crucial stage of the season, he's suddenly turned into Jack Douglas. (ask yer Dads)
O'Driscoll's biggest mistake was leaving us without a centre half or goalkeeper better than Div4 standard. And Saunders/Flynn's biggest mistake has been to ignore the goalkeeper issue.
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I will blame individuals when I see the highlights if anyone was seriously at fault. I'm only giving Woods a bit of stick as that error seems clear cut, once again very poor handling, which is OK once in a while but it's happening far too frequently to be comfortable with. He's obviously struggling more than most with his form so if we're serious about wanting autopromo then it's time to give him a rest and bring in someone on loan.
Why is Gary Woods error any more clear cut than the defenders error for not closing down Gleeson for the shot, if you can blame Gary Woods for his handling error having only listened to the commentary same as me - then you should be able to blame the defenders for that goal and Billy Paynter for the miss at the end
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Because everyone has said Woods should have handled it better and noone has yet said who exactly should have closed down their attacker. Am I supposed to blame the entire defence for what can only be the fault of one defender (even if anyone was at fault and it wasn't just a good goal)? I aint about to tar everyone with the same brush Glos, sorry, maybe 3 of the 4 made no mistakes tonight, I have no idea so why would I start having a go at anyone?
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And you're all missing the point - the point is it is a team game and to blame one maybe two players is wrong, they all have to accept the collective responsiblilty for defeat.
Keepers who drop the ball
Defenders who do not defend
Midfielders who do not defend or create opportunities
Strikers for not scoring
A collective responsiblity - not just one persons responsibility
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