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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: jucyberry on April 01, 2013, 09:38:27 pm
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iain_Duncan_Smith
Had to chuckle, check out his profession.. Never a truer word written..
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Assuming the Wki entry is accurate, I'm glad to see that, like so many of his colleagues, he appears to be both a liar and a cheat. Funny that.
BobG
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I'd say the fact that the bas**rd is a bell end is the only truth on the whole page personally.. And let's face it, that is an insult to perfectly good bell ends in itsself..
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The arrogant tory t**t says he can live on £53 a week, well there`s an online petetion challenging him to live on that amount at the link below
https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/iain-duncan-smith-iain-duncan-smith-to-live-on-53-a-week
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Well i for one am all for it...I am sick and bloody tired working my whole life to call in the pub after work for a swift one to see the same old faces sat there drinking there benefits..It's been out of control for too long and i'm pleased there getting a grip of it....I notice none of you seer the problem with that waste of space Bob Crowe earning £140,000 a year but still living in a council house as it is his right..Not so shy about his fleet of cars or his many holidays every year though is he...
I for one am sick of paying for the very large percentage of people sat on there arses doing nothing because there bone bloody idol......
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The truth is he bloody well can live on that.
This isn't £53 a week to pay the bills the £53 is after rent and bills. £53 a week for one person to live on should not be a problem at all. Geez when I was a student I'd have loved £53 a week I barely had that left in a month after paying bills.
Yet Juicy calls him a bell end. And for what? Telling the truth it looks like to me.
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Well said mate......I actually had a row with a bloke last week who was crying about this..He firmly believe it's his entitlement to do the same as he has done for the last 10 years..Which is nothing at all
It truly amazes me that some of these people firmly believe that the goverment should pay for everything they want...He was moaning that because he had a four bedroom house on the state and only had one child he was now being taxed for it and he was being robbed...He isn't ill,he hasn't lifted a finger in years and spends his days watching racing in the pub with a lucky 15....
However you know you cant win arguments with people like that as when i asked why he didn't swap for a 3 bedroom house instead he just said didn't want to lose the massive garden that comes with it....
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The truth is he bloody well can live on that.
This isn't £53 a week to pay the bills the £53 is after rent and bills. £53 a week for one person to live on should not be a problem at all. Geez when I was a student I'd have loved £53 a week I barely had that left in a month after paying bills.
Yet Juicy calls him a bell end. And for what? Telling the truth it looks like to me.
So £18 a week pays for electricity, gas, water, council tax, tv licence etc.? I've love to know who your energy suppliers are, they sound a bargain!
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The guy said he had £53 a week after he paid his bills though and that's a week not month, gives him £212 a month after his bills - pretty decent money that.
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The guy said he had £53 a week after he paid his bills though and that's a week not month, gives him £212 a month after his bills - pretty decent money that.
Don't know who 'this guy' is and don't care who 'this guy' is. For me to have £53 a week to spend just on food, everything else would have to be paid with £18 per week. Still think it's 'pretty decent money'?
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Well that's a miracle then because the reality for hundreds of thousands is a completely different thing.
there is an assumption that people receiving benefits just plop down from a another planet. They don't.. When life goes belly up they will have had commitments that have to be met, contracts they are tied into and perhaps payments for things bought when things were going well.. You can't just say oh sorry I'm not going to pay any more, you have to or incur court costs ect.
People already struggling wont be paying for their gas and electric four times a year, they will be on payment keys, these cost far more than getting your gas and electric by quarterly bill.. life is a grind every day..
Now Andy, you are a bright boy, you worked hard , used your clever brain, went to uni and have done well for your self. I'm glad you did, pleased for you that you are able to do what you wanted and are in a career I presume you enjoy, but for many, may reasons not everybody can do that. It does not make them lesser people... Some times you can have all that and then in an instant lose it. for every high flier there are ten that fly just under the radar, benefits are paid to those in necessary but crap paid jobs are these people worthless?
Yes I do think he is a cock end, nothing anyone says will change my mind on that one. We now have a report stating that the government is toying with the idea of freezing the minimum wage.. What comes after that?
Gidieot says ‘For too long, we’ve had a system where people who did the right thing – who get up in the morning and work hard – felt penalised for it, while people who did the wrong thing got rewarded for it.'
he is attacking, the low paid worker, the disabled, the men and women coming home with terrible disabilities from Afghanistan, the carers... Yet all the majority can see is the 'scrounger with the 50" flat screen tv. those are the minority.
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Yet all the majority can see is the 'scrounger with the 50" flat screen tv. those are the minority.
And usually those getting money from other places than just the benefits, whether on the black market or on the rob, but people see them as assume all of us have that lifestyle.
Unless, of course, they're like me and bought their nice telly when they were still working...
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Exactly Glyn, but that isn't what they want to hear is it because it is so much more satisfying to feel the warm glow of superiority.
The reality is, paying the basics and then with what is left buying food.. Not clothes, not shoes, not treats, not bus fares, nothing. Anyone who is doing otherwise is either jigging the system or is an addict.. Addicts beg steal and or borrow to get their fix, food becomes a secondary.
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Ah come off it, I know people better off than me and they've never worked a day in their life. And I'm definitely not elitist or particularly well paid and I also have plenty of times survived on £53 a week. In fact if you looked at the spending I need now, after the bills I could easily survive on less than £53 a week, easily if I had to. Though that discounts the cost of driving, which if I was unemployed I obviously wouldn't have anyway.
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Ah come off it, I know people better off than me and they've never worked a day in their life. And I'm definitely not elitist or particularly well paid and I also have plenty of times survived on £53 a week. In fact if you looked at the spending I need now, after the bills I could easily survive on less than £53 a week, easily if I had to. Though that discounts the cost of driving, which if I was unemployed I obviously wouldn't have anyway.
You're missing the point. I could live on £53 a week after bills.
But I haven't got £53 a week after bills. This £53 figure is b*llocks.
How much a week do you think electricity, gas, water and council tax costs?
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Juicy Berry...Thats why when we had some labouring Jobs going (above minimum wage) more people didnt actually turn up for a interview than did...They certainly sound keen when there sat next to the lady in the job shop who has the power to take away there benefits if there not actively looking for work..Strangely that enthusiasm to better themselves seems to leave them when they walk out the job centre door....Some even had the bloody nerve to ring me up to cancel but asked if the job centre rang "could i tell them i attended but wasn't successfull"
It's all a matter of opinion but the fact that Incapacity benefit claimants has been reduced by a third because they dont want to do the medical they introduced say's it all on just how much of a minority benefit fiddleing really is..
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The guy said he had £53 a week after he paid his bills though and that's a week not month, gives him £212 a month after his bills - pretty decent money that.
He hasn't said that at all, he said that's what he has to live on - BILLS INCLUDED - after the changes to Housing Benefit and Council Tax Benefit have left him even worse off.
Still think it's a 'pretty decent amount' that's piss-simple to live on?
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Juicy Berry...Thats why when we had some labouring Jobs going (above minimum wage) more people didnt actually turn up for a interview than did...They certainly sound keen when there sat next to the lady in the job shop who has the power to take away there benefits if there not actively looking for work..Strangely that enthusiasm to better themselves seems to leave them when they walk out the job centre door....Some even had the bloody nerve to ring me up to cancel but asked if the job centre rang "could i tell them i attended but wasn't successfull"
It's all a matter of opinion but the fact that Incapacity benefit claimants has been reduced by a third because they dont want to do the medical they introduced say's it all on just how much of a minority benefit fiddleing really is..
Well, I have to say that makes me being clobbered so much easier to bear.
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it is also pretty disingenuous to quote the figures shown without looking deeper into them.. There are many reasons for not going to a medical, in the twelve weeks +you wait to be called you might get better, it is within the realms of possibility after all.. You might especially in the case of mentally ill decide that you cannot take going through the system again.. You could, looking on the truly bleak side have died.
I'm not saying there aren't people who don't ant to work, all I'm saying is they are far fewer than the government want you to believe.
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There are cases like that but only a couple of percent....My friend is disabled and is a active campaigner of disabled rights...He actually thinks its a great thing because he's sick of not getting into spaces meant for him because someone he calls a "cashpoint cripple" with a blue badge parks in them and wanders of down the shop,happy as a lark...
The tougher we get on the welfare system the better and in time will actually mean more of the money can go to the people who deserve it rather than those who think it's a easy way to get by without lifting a finger..However i think we will have to agree to disagree on this subject..lol politics the route of all evil..lol
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The guy said he had £53 a week after he paid his bills though and that's a week not month, gives him £212 a month after his bills - pretty decent money that.
He hasn't said that at all, he said that's what he has to live on - BILLS INCLUDED - after the changes to Housing Benefit and Council Tax Benefit have left him even worse off.
Still think it's a 'pretty decent amount' that's piss-simple to live on?
Do we get an answer then?
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I believe that Big Fat Yorkshire pudding is in fact correct. The £53 is after housing costs. A decent amount really. You would have a very basic existence sure, but it is do-able non the less. Plenty of incentive to attempt to get back to work and earn a little more....
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If it`s that easy, and IDS has stated he`s been on the "breadline" before, twice, because he was unemployed, it makes you wonder why he`s dismissed the petition as a stunt, it should be a breeze to an experienced breadliner like him, imagine the PR the tories would gain if IDS demonstrated to us all how it could be done!
Time to lead by example I say!
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I believe that Big Fat Yorkshire pudding is in fact correct. The £53 is after housing costs. A decent amount really. You would have a very basic existence sure, but it is do-able non the less. Plenty of incentive to attempt to get back to work and earn a little more....
After Housing Benefit but not after non-food bills. Even the Daily Mail reports it as net income.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2302343/Iain-Duncan-Smith-defends-welfare-cuts-I-live-53-week.html
Still think it's doable?
And you can shove your patronising 'incentive to get back to work' crap where the sun don't shine. I don't want to be unemployed, I've never wanted to be unemployed. But I am. The last thing I need is smug people telling me I need to be punished as an incentive to find work thank you. What I want is a job, not sneers.
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Glyn
Good luck with the job searching. You of course, are one of the very many hundreds of thousands who desperately want work. Those are the ones now being hit by these Kitsons.
We've had a softening-up job done on us for years by the Tory Press running their stories about skivers and scroungers. But for every one of them (and I hate the real scroungers with a vengeance) there are 50 like you. There are 2 million currently in the dole who worked bloody hard before the big crash. They are not scroungers and it is a f**king disgrace that they are being labelled that way. And that trite comments like "this will encourage people to get off their arse and find work" are trotted out by people who have been lucky enough not to lose their job.
The Tories are doing what they have done for decades. f**k all over the working class, then blame THEM for being the problem. George Orwell wrote about exactly the same thing in the 1930s, when the Tory Govt had no idea how to end the Great Depression and mass unemployment, so they vilified those on the dole as idle scroungers, cut benefits and set the lucky in-work people against those without work.
Same old piss in an 80 year old bottle. They've spent years pushing the idea of scroungers at us not because they think we have a big problem with scroungers. It's because they detest the concept of a system that looks after decent, hard-working people who get the shitty end of the deal. They want to use this to drive down wages and make people more employable because they firmly believe that over-priced workers are the cause of our current unemployment problem. They will not and cannot accept that unemployment could be solved within 2 years if they sorted out the problem of lack of demand in the economy.
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PS. IDS is most definitely NOT a bell-end. He is a determined and focused right-wing ideologue. He is one if the most right-wing cabinet ministers we've had since the War. He is determined to roll back welfare and expose the most vulnerable to the pressures of the Market. And he does it under the cloak of claiming to have their best interests at heart.
Nye Bevan called the Tories "lower than vermin" 60 years ago. He would have been at a loss for words to describe IDS.
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There used to be a time when governments tried to redistribute wealth to the poorest in the country in order to help them subsist.
Now we've got a government who wants to redistribute debt to them.
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Right on cue. The most disgusting, repulsive shit rag in Britain uses the murder of 6 kids to stick the boot into the Welfare State
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BG4BLwPCMAE2fMk.jpg)
Are there words obscene enough to sum up how f***ing abominable the Daily Mail is? They campaigned to stop Jewish refugees from Hitler finding refuge here in the 30s. They haven't changed one f***ing jot in the past 80 years. Utterly beyond contempt.
Every time you read anything in that paper with a political slant to it, remember that picture. Six kids' lives snuffed out by a perverted sociopath. And Paul Dacre decides to use their faces to justify an attack on the Welfare State.
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Unbelievable
Thats the lowest, even for The Mail.
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Rob
No it's not. It is EXACTLY what I'd expect from the bas**rds. They don't give a shit about the kids who died. They use them to twist readers' emotions for the Mail's own political purpose.
Like someone said on the radio this morning, was Harold Shipman the vile product of Middle Class Britain? Of course he wasn't. He was a deranged individual who was representative of no-one but Harold Shipman. Just the same as Mick Philpott is an evil deranged individual representative of no-one but himself.
But the Mail will use him to slur the entire Welfare State and anyone who receives benefits.
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But of course anyone who happens to own a house that's larger than average, drives two cars, can afford holidays and speaks in a slightly plummy accent is perfectly fair game for the left wing papers who portray them as 'rich toffs' who don't give a damn anyone who is poor. As ever, it's not about what you read but what you want to read.
Wigley...
I did not intend to sound patronising or 'sneery'.
Different newspaper, different facts. Who do you believe?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9964767/Iain-Duncan-Smith-I-could-live-on-53-per-week.html
Personally, I wouldn't bother with any of them.
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The "left wing papers"? Plural? Care to elucidate?
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Billy i've spent years reading your points on the tory's and weve clashed many times as i'm a staunch Conservative...Some of your poinhts i actually agree with...Some are nothing but drivel....Yet Labour in a few stints drive this country to the edge of poverty and you dont say a word....I was speaking to a ex Labour Mp a week ago who actually called there last term as "the greatest incompetence in modern Goverment history" and he served in it......
Maybe if you tried some balance people would actually try and understand your points rather than assume your off Anti Tory crusading again..!!!
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Wing Co
Feel free to point out the things you disagree with. Then I'll explain my reasons for believing those points.
I don't get this "balance" argument. I fully appreciate that Labour is imperfect. I've made several comments on here in recent months on things where I think Labour screwed up badly.
But what it comes down to fundamentally is this. The Tories believe that smaller Government is the way forward. I don't share that belief. In not sure what you want me to do about that. Argue things that I don't believe in, in the interests of "balance". That would be hypocritical. If you want alternative viewpoints in the discussion YOU provide it. Then we can debate and discuss the consequences of our two sets of opinions.
But I'll meet you part way there. I DO believe that we have a problem with a small minority of people being prepared to live on welfare. There is no question of that. And Labour did not address that sufficiently vigorously. Partly through a Blairite obsession on concentrating on the middle classes. Partly because we have a two generation problem of the move through being a post-industrial society. And yes, partly through mistakes in the benefit system.
But that is not the issue that IDS is working to solve. He is hitting benefits for ALL people who have been hit by the Great Recession.
Consider this. Research from his own Department shows that of all the jobless 32-34 year olds who signed on for JSA in 2010/11 (they picked that group at random for the research) 70% had not been on the dole in the previous 4 years. A further 13% had only had one or two brief periods out of work. Only 6% had spent more than half of the previous 4 years in the dole.
Now, that 6% is a problem, no question. But what IDS (helped by the Press) is doing is to stigmatise ALL the benefit recipients. They are ALL being labelled scroungers and shirkers. They are all being accused of living high on the hog on benefits and being uninterested in work.
It is a lie. Pure and simple. Peddled because IDS is ideologically against the entire concept of the Welfare State. And it acts as a useful fig-leaf to cover the real scandal of the utter f**k-up that this Govt has made of our recovery from Recession.
Keynes said back in the 30s that solving Welfare and deficits issues are relatively easy things to do. You make sure that the economy is growing. Then the vast majority of the "idle scroungers" on the dole will miraculously turn into the diligent hard workers that they used to be. He was bang in right in the 30s. The 25% who festered on the dole turned into double-shift workers who produced the coal, steel and guns that win the War, once the Govt had an existential crisis to deal with and responded by using Govt spending to stimulate the economy.
The "idle scroungers" were a tiny percentage then. They are a tiny percentage now. IDS's own research confirms that. I wonder why he never refers to it?
Now. If you take issue with any of that, I'd be happy to debate it with you.
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Wigley...
I did not intend to sound patronising or 'sneery'.
And I'm sure the Daily Mail doesn't intend to imply that Philpott only killed his kids because he was claiming welfare...
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Different newspaper, different facts. Who do you believe?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9964767/Iain-Duncan-Smith-I-could-live-on-53-per-week.html
Hmm...can anyone tell me how to get these tax credits to bump up my disposable income after bills to £53? I'd love to have that much.
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The "left wing papers"? Plural? Care to elucidate?
The Guardian, The Mirror, maybe the Independent. It is nonsense to deny that certain papers take a left-wing (or left-of-centre, if you prefer) editorial stance. They'd be daft not to as they need to differentiate themselves from their competitors.
Similarly the Express, Mail and Telegraph are right-wing and at the moment you can add Murdoch's titles to that.
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I actually think welfare reform will go down in history as the No.1 missed opportunity of the Blair Government. They had a mandate and a majority to carry it through, and crucially they had benign economic conditions- where they could have used the carrot as well as the stick. Unfortunately Brown and a few others started worrying about damaging their core vote, and Blair was ultimately not prepared to put his authority on the line over it.
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This is not welfare reform, it`s welfare destruction
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TRB
Just out if interest, do you have any evidence that Brown's policy was driven by protection of core voters. Above and beyond this shibboleth we frequently hear from right wingers than Briwn had a decade-long policy to produce a client state stuck on welfare.
I'll give you a separate take. That Brown set up the tax credit system specifically to encourage people into work because UK businesses pay wages that are an insult, whilst the rewards to the Boardroom have exploded over the past 20 years. Since the Thatcher Revolution, we have had a long-term depression of wages at the bottom end whilst wages at the top have gone stratospheric. Tax credits were a way of redressing the balance.
You can call that pandering to the core vote if you want. I'll call it a policy that went done way to correct an obscene 30 year long imbalance. The Tories see tax credits as "welfare". They are nothing of the sort, at least, not in terms of paying for people to be idle. They are a way of making work able to pay people a decent wage when business, left to itself, would choose not to do.
The problem was that the Labour Govt didn't have the strength of will to do the other side of the equation which was to increase tax at the top end. That was a fair chunk of the reason that we ran a long-term 3% deficit through the noughties. That was a mistake. Had a 45 or 50% top rate been brought in back in 2001 or so, the public finances would have been in better shape[1], and Labour could have made a string case that the tax and tax credit system was correcting the disgusting imbalances that the "market"[2] allowed.
[1] Osborne's claim that you get higher tax receipts by lower taxes on the rich is bullshit, as has been demonstrated by numerous independent research papers.
[2] Quotation marks because there isn't a "market" at the top end. There is a self-serving bunch of fat cats awarding themselves and each other obscene pay for what is often pretty poor performance. We've had 30 years of the upper reaches if capitalism being key off the leash and the result is levels of inequality that we haven't seen since the 1920s. And Labour should be ashamed of itself that it didn't do more to tackle that.
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Over the years the public have bought into the drip, drip, drip method of shaping populist opinion, it now believes there are a huge amount of 'feckless' 'lazy' 'scroungers'.. suddenly people aren't unemployed they are scroungers..
Yet many benefits are paid to people working but working for pittance, these are also lumped into that amorphous mass of the underclass...
Watching Osbourne's little speech from the beginning yesterday was a definite eye opener. His face when talking about 'welfare' altered, the sneer became pronounced. This isn't a man wanting to do the best for every area of society, this is one that despises the poor, the weak and the vulnerable. He spent time peddling his lies, the one about single people getting £18k for instance, as one lad interviewed said, £26k? that's wrong , it's 5k more than I earn...
Yet these figures are the cap, not the reality. Perhaps a very few might get that in London, but most would be made up on the monopoly money rent..
I'm on income based ESA, contribution based runs out after a year. I get 99.71 every two weeks, I have a spare bedroom and Stacie lives at home so I have a non dependant adult living with me... for that fact alone I will be paying £120 pr month, plus 19 a month council tax..
Like Glyn I would love to know how this fool thinks he can run a home on £57 a week, when rent and council tax have been paid I have £68.36 for everything else.. electric, gas, water, commitments I had when working, washing machine tv ect..Clothes? no..Shoes? no.. outings? no... I don't drink smoke or have Sky.
If Stace wasn't with me I wouldn't survive.. that is the reality..
Oh I do have an outing on Tuesday.. I'm off to see the nice people at ATOS again..
I'd swap the anxiety, panic attacks and stress that manifests it's self in heart problems and exhaustion in an instance... I won't be made to feel ashamed that my life has taken a down turn by any one, especially some jumped up little snot of a politician sucking the bowl off of his silver spoon.
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Well, I didn't know I am a scrounger - but I must be mustn't I? Odd though. Although my claim for contribution based JSA was made on March 1st last and I've both signed on and applied for all the jobs, appropriate and inappropriate, that I can find, as of 2338 tonight, I've heard not a peep from any bugger at either the places I've applied to (with my stonkingly good CV btw), or, the sodding Benefits people. And I have nagged them too. If I were one of the millions who don't have much, any, cash in the bank, what would I be living on now 5 weeks after I lost my job? Lazy scroungers? Try the bloody unemployment office.
BobG
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Here we go, Gideon is blaming the welfare state as well
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/apr/04/mick-philpott-benefits-lifestyle-questioned
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Here we go, Gideon is blaming the welfare state as well
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/apr/04/mick-philpott-benefits-lifestyle-questioned
This is how this vile government operate. Their PR consists mostly of the blame game and lies. IDS, Cameron, and Osborne are nothing more than pompous bully boys. By their very nature bullies pick on the vulnerable and blame others for their shortcomings. For the first two years this clueless rabble we have in power blamed everything on Labour. Now we are three years in, and the excuse is wearing thin, they channel their blame towards the welfare state and benefit system.
The global economic crisis would have hit the UK whoever were in government. It was brought about by the perpetual greed of financial institutions when the banks were deregulated. Let’s not forget the Tories said the deregulation didn’t go far enough.
Let’s dispel the myth that people on benefits are a lazy, workshy, sub human species….what the Tory supporting rags will have us believe anyway. Laziness is not encouraged, or discouraged, by society or political parties. Laziness is a personality trait, and these workshy folk have been around since time immemorial. It doesn’t matter who is in power, some folk just don’t want to work. Cutting their benefits will not help, they will obtain money elsewhere to support their work free lifestyle. This hideous government are championing the even more hideous Mick Philpott as a product of the benefit system. This is how low and despicable this government will go to put a point across. The truth is the benefit system is a safety net for millions of people on low income, low pay, and part time work. These people are being hit hugely whilst the wealthy enjoy tax cuts and immoral bonuses. This government will continue to cut away until the economy shows signs of improvement. It’s the Tory way, it’s what they did the last time around and what were we left with? Places like Doncaster, Hull, Liverpool, Newcastle, on their knees.
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It's perishing cold tonight, heating up and down the country has been turned up a notch, this is a small part of one of many threads that demonstrate the cruelty being done by the government to the people of this country... this is the reality of those f**king evil Kitsons in Westminster.
Phil Marsh
Here im sat in my flat having paid my CT and BT, no heating on duvet round me trying to keep warm. can life get any lower i wonder :/
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Cheryl Guillot i know the feeling Phil
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Phil Marsh A very lonely existence that's only going to get worse I think
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June Skie's Mum i havent paid it cant x
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Maria Brabiner Hope you can stay strong Phil. We have to do this to survive, and survive we must.
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Sue Allen ...and we're all in this together....i think not Phil Marsh can you imagine any of them leaving parliament tonight going home to that????
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Phil Marsh I will come to yours then june to keep warm lol x
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June Skie's Mum lol wont be very warm here mate
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Phil Marsh I just think its sad that at my age im forced to live like this
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June Skie's Mum yes very sad
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Phil Marsh Bugger june back to my duvet then
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Diane 'Tally' Rout u can visit here phil but u wot b any warmer lol
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Phil Marsh Is your devet bigger than mine diane?
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Trevor Lloyd I still have not received a letter from housing benefit to say there is going to be a reduction. Until then I am not paying a penny!
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Diane 'Tally' Rout mines a double
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Phil Marsh On my way then diane lol
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Sharon Cooper And this is just first week of BT
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Mary Ellarby Morris if i paid my bt, ct, and water rates leaves me with £15.50, for bills, food, so wont pay, cant pay, debts will mount up , nothing new there!
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Russell Corbett yes a power cut
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Russell Corbett people who can pay it why dont you just hold on to it while you get a reminder
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Alan Turk Phil, next week write to your landlord. Tell them you promise to pay,in full, what they claim you owe(because of the unlawful Tax) when you have sufficient funds to do so. Tell them that, in the meantime, to keep your case out of Court, please accept what spare money i have, which is 50p per week!!!!!......................its gotta be worth a try.
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Cheryl Guillot it is cruelty to the vunerable in our country ..there has got to be a law against it!!!!!
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Gaynor 'Shorty' Rothwell pls dont pay, if ur scared of loosing your home put it in the bank or something but we need to make a point that we cant/wont pay. if everybody dont pay it will send a clear message that people cant afford to pay, if your scared to loose ur home if u have the money put away then at least if it gets really serious u can pay at the last minute but at least make a stand, as well as protesting i think this is the best way to fight it
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Alan Turk there is a law against it. Its called the Bill of Rights of 1689..... No one can be fined or forfeited without first going to Court...Not a lot of people know that
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Russell Corbett its only been going 4 days whats with paying straight away
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Suzyjo De'val go & see the CAB Phil, they may be able to help you in some way. it's well outta order. i'm not paying mine until i'm about to be evicted & even then will offer to pay the minimum amount possible.
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A very good read is This topic as both reds and blues have valid points.
For the record When i left school st Peters high back in early 1980s,trying to find a job was a nitemare.
You trun up for selection test at british Rail,gas,yeb or where ever.100s would turn up for the tests as they were held over days,and the cream from the very top were offered an apprenticeship.
Thing is you could count on one hand how many apprenticeships were Been given out.
The pits were shutting down and work up north was hard to find.
We had officers Who came into our school to Help us with job interviews.they drummed it into to me about first impressions 'you must wear a shirt and tie with slacks and shoes' look smart.
I took that all on board and ended up on a YTS.
Then i had my first chance to vote,and donny was staunch labour.i saw thr conseratives on the tv andthey all looked smart with suits shirts Blue ties and Shoes.
Then i looked at labours rag tag party to which Michael foot was the front man.fcuk me he allways looked like he Been asleep on a park bench for the nite,with more Than enough labour party members not far behind him.
So i put me X in the conseratives box.
Never vote again since that election as i came too asumption Who ever was in thr country would be in a mess one way or other.so since i never voted i Cant complain When Who ever gets in.
But what i did do some close on 20 years back When i was laid off from me job and went on dole,i up rooted and fcuked off to Oslo as the grass is greener on other side Of fence.
Ok it was hard as the english dole in norway that i got as payments was very very very LOw,but i worked Black to Get a foot hold and after 8month got a propper job with personal number and i was in the NOGGY system.
Best thing i ever did was jumping ship,but i still love blighty and is allways close to me Heart.