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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: SoundbiteBarmyArmy on May 14, 2013, 08:49:29 am
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Proof that buying the stadium is massive for DRFC.
I also hope we can keep Gavin Baldwin on a long term basis!
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£500,000 will get us 3rd rate players but it is a start i guess
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£500,000 will get us 3rd rate players but it is a start i guess
Personally I think to compete we are going to need at least 10m to spend on players....
Thats to compete as this level is so much better its untrue.
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Or to put a positive spin on it, it would have paid for Billy sharps wages each year, had we ran the stadium then. Hardly third rate
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Just how many players have Rovers had that cost over £500,000? As far as I remember.....1. There are plenty of very good players available for little money if we don't look at Premiership failures at low prices who WANT to play for Rovers. That is where we look, in Lg1, Lg2 and even in the Conference if they are useful. Remember your roots folks.
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I suspect we wont get anything like that, Norfolk. Surely the club is still treating the burns on their fingers from the season before last, and wont want a repeat of that scenario.
£500k gets you 3 players for a year at £3k a week. I suspect this will be how we operate.
Remember everyone, this is effectively a £500k "windfall" from the stadium, and is on top of the other budgets agreed by the Rover's board/owners.
All this expectation must be taken in the contaxt of JR's comments at the Meet the Owners event - I'm paraphrasing, but it was essentially "when I took over in the Conference, if someone offered us the chance to be a L1/Championship yoyo club, I'd have snatched their hands off". We have to be realistic about where the club is at this moment in time and what constitutes success.
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I suspect we wont get anything like that, Norfolk. Surely the club is still treating the burns on their fingers from the season before last, and wont want a repeat of that scenario.
£500k gets you 3 players for a year at £3k a week. I suspect this will be how we operate.
Remember everyone, this is effectively a £500k "windfall" from the stadium, and is on top of the other budgets agreed by the Rover's board/owners.
All this expectation must be taken in the contaxt of JR's comments at the Meet the Owners event - I'm paraphrasing, but it was essentially "when I took over in the Conference, if someone offered us the chance to be a L1/Championship yoyo club, I'd have snatched their hands off". We have to be realistic about where the club is at this moment in time and what constitutes success.
Not saying we will but thats the reality and without major investment or thinking outside the box like Watford have done I suspect we will be down for Xmas!
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Nowt like optimism eh Norfolk ;)
It isn't going to be easy to compete in the championship and the new manager, and any new players will face many challenges.
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What happened to Mr Uber-Positive, NNC?
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Barnsley stayed up didn't they?
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Did you not read Norfolk N Chance's snippet's in the Free Press in the prediction league? Not very uber-positive at all!
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The first season after promotion is usually ok as momentum and confidence are good. Anything after that is a bonus really.
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I suspect we wont get anything like that, Norfolk. Surely the club is still treating the burns on their fingers from the season before last, and wont want a repeat of that scenario.
£500k gets you 3 players for a year at £3k a week. I suspect this will be how we operate.
Remember everyone, this is effectively a £500k "windfall" from the stadium, and is on top of the other budgets agreed by the Rover's board/owners.
All this expectation must be taken in the contaxt of JR's comments at the Meet the Owners event - I'm paraphrasing, but it was essentially "when I took over in the Conference, if someone offered us the chance to be a L1/Championship yoyo club, I'd have snatched their hands off". We have to be realistic about where the club is at this moment in time and what constitutes success.
Not saying we will but thats the reality and without major investment or thinking outside the box like Watford have done I suspect we will be down for Xmas!
Dare i say it but the Watford model really isn't that far off what we tried to do the season before in terms of the loanee deals etc - though obviously theirs were decent!
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I suspect we wont get anything like that, Norfolk. Surely the club is still treating the burns on their fingers from the season before last, and wont want a repeat of that scenario.
£500k gets you 3 players for a year at £3k a week. I suspect this will be how we operate.
Remember everyone, this is effectively a £500k "windfall" from the stadium, and is on top of the other budgets agreed by the Rover's board/owners.
All this expectation must be taken in the contaxt of JR's comments at the Meet the Owners event - I'm paraphrasing, but it was essentially "when I took over in the Conference, if someone offered us the chance to be a L1/Championship yoyo club, I'd have snatched their hands off". We have to be realistic about where the club is at this moment in time and what constitutes success.
Not saying we will but thats the reality and without major investment or thinking outside the box like Watford have done I suspect we will be down for Xmas!
Dare i say it but the Watford model really isn't that far off what we tried to do the season before in terms of the loanee deals etc - though obviously theirs were decent!
The difference between the two strategy`s was that Watford signed young hungry loanees eager to make a name in the English leagues. Rovers, Fabien Robert apart, signed players in decline with nothing to prove in England
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Young and hungry was actually McKay's initial plan. We then became more desperate and went for Diouf and Chimbonda.
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should have got suarez in he is always hungry
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This is not about a sudden extra revenue stream, its already been taken into account when the announcement was made by Gavin of us getting about 4 seasoned pros for next season, plus 8 development players.
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Thats true. The point is that controlling the stadium has allowed us to develop an additional revenue stream, and if this exceeds the planned business model then that is additional funding which will find its way in to the first team squad.
In other words - support the additional activities there, because this supports YOUR club.
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True Rob. But spending a budgeted profit in advance (£460K and not £500K btw) is a recipe for trouble. Spend some of it, yes. But all of it?
I imagine they've planned to spend half/two thirds of it and the balance, if it actually arrives, will form a reserve for use later on. Loanees perhaps.
BobG
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I suspect you are right, Bob. If I know one thing about Gavin its that he isnt a chickens counted before they've hatched-type of guy. Calm, measured, controlled, considered. To keep the bird analogy coming, he'll have a ll his ducks lined up properly.
Crikey, that sounded like a DS post match interview! lol
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This is an ongoing issue of managing the budget and using revenue from other streams as and when.
Saying it is a cash injection is a bit of a folly.
We know by now fewer £s are spent on transfer fees and wages are budgeted for across the season. Players will come and go, depending on how we are doing and how the accounts stack up.
If all goes well on the pitch, more folk will turn up, more money will come in and it will give the board that extra encouragement to invest further.
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If we get £500k spending money I'll be quite pleased. If you take the Sharp transfer out of the equation have we ever spent that much in a summer? Maybe 2007 when Hayter signed, if that?
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I think you have it there in your final point Baz - people shouldn't assume this £500k (£460k) is going to be 'new' or additional money, all it will mean is that the directors will fund less of the shortfall.
Given that we were supposed to have reduced the wage bill by £3m this season it would be fascinating to know whether or not it will be going back up again by more/less the same to say £7m. For comparative purposes Bristol City were relegated with one of £14m. Lets presume it is. Where is that money going to come from? how many season tickets do we need to shift to match that figure? That's without any transfer fees, agents fees, stadium running costs.
As the man sayeth - 'do the math'.
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Alias, thats unlikely to be transfer budget money. That will be more likely spent on player wages where it goes further.
A good case in point was Richie Wellens. We could "top up" his wages to a very good level because we landed him on a free.
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because we landed him on a free.
FFS you kept that quiet !!!
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We didn't spend a penny in transfer fees last summer and built a squad that won League One. All about the right players coming in and there are plenty of decent players been released this summer already. Just got to come to some agreement on their wage demands.
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Let's also be objective here. Good managers have to manage players OUT as well as players IN to balance the books.
I hope one of the 18 points on the check list is scrutinising the manager's past transfer dealings.
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Let's also be objective here. Good managers have to manage players OUT as well as players IN to balance the books.
I hope one of the 18 points on the check list is scrutinising the manager's past transfer dealings.
It is. Good at buying and selling it says.
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£500,000 will get us 3rd rate players but it is a start i guess
Personally I think to compete we are going to need at least 10m to spend on players....
Thats to compete as this level is so much better its untrue.
You are so right Norfolk if we dont look out its down at christmas
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Alias, thats unlikely to be transfer budget money. That will be more likely spent on player wages where it goes further.
A good case in point was Richie Wellens. We could "top up" his wages to a very good level because we landed him on a free.
To be honest I said that before reading the article, only the posts in the thread.
More money for the cause is always a big plus though, looking forward to the summer activity.
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I Think it's a real positive,it shows the club is thinking the right way,a gradual growth that can be sustained,i'll say it now,if we get the right manager,and with John Ryan's record it's a good possibility,we will stay up at a minimum,we just need to add a few players of quality in the right positions,trim those of the wage bill not needed,and if we can keep bringing players through the youth system like James Husband,or similar,then i think we've got a real chance of carrying on our upward curve. :scarf:
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It all depends on the money Sammy. You can buck the trend for a year or two, but in the end, it's always the money that counts. And that leads to an area that's really interesting. well, it is to me anyway. lol. If, as I understand JR has said, we are going to have a 'competitive budget in the Championship then we should survive at the very worst. But that begs the question then of just how many millions the directors are going to put in - because one thing's for sure: the club income won't sustain a budget of that level.
BobG
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I Agree money is obviously important Bob,i'm interested how we can be getting such big profits already,or am i being thick?,you've pretty much got to get every decision perfect when you are a club like ours,we've got the board,next jigsaw piece and one of the most important the manager has to be right,get that wrong,and well your in big trouble,you don't play catch up in the championship,luckily John tends to get these things right,then every signing near enough has to be a success,then you need luck with injuries,which did for us last time,so we need a quality fitness set-up,and also very important that the fan numbers don't drop if we get a bad result or two,even with the profits mentioned for,for us to start on a very precarious level playing field,the board will need to put money in as well,i think we will stay up but we need to get a bit stronger year after year.
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Just how many players have Rovers had that cost over £500,000? As far as I remember.....1. There are plenty of very good players available for little money if we don't look at Premiership failures at low prices who WANT to play for Rovers. That is where we look, in Lg1, Lg2 and even in the Conference if they are useful. Remember your roots folks.
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I'm kicking off my boots, and going back to my roots.
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Good thing about our supporters Nice one,the majority are grounded,and we never forget where we came from,i don't think there's any danger of that :scarf:
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All very true indeed Sammy. I suspect the vast majority of clubs that win promotion each year have a good year with both injuries and suspensions, whilst those that suffer relegation have bad years. Luck is still part of this game despite all the science.
P'raps not so much in the Prem due to squad size, but most other places I would think.
BobG
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Surely we are due some good luck on injuries,the work Andy and the team are doing with the pitch can only help,a near impossibility to get a good pitch out that sustained cold weather we had,your right on luck Bob,even the best manager Fergie needed it here and there,if your a good manager you earn your good luck,if your poor it will run out,then all your left with is the ability you have,Gary Players saying ''The more i practise the Luckier i get'' is a good one,they will have to be careful the manager who we pick and the players who do come in,because we might not be the most talented squad to ever be promoted,but for sheer bull headedness,there's not many better than us,add a bit of quality to that,and we've got a decent chance :scarf:
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Did you ever hear the one about Colin Sutherland storming into Snodin's office after training?
Sutherland: "Boss. I've just heard that Matty Caudwell is getting a Cortisone Injection."
Snodin: "What about it?"
Sutherland: "If the club's buying that wee bastid a car, aah want one misel."
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ha ha ha!!!!
Now he was always value for money wasn't he? Loved Sutherland to bits. He'd be a folk hero to bring back to game one day he would.
BobG
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That's a cracker Billy,Sutherland they think Rob Jones is hard,he would have chewed him up and spit him out,he used to beat strikers miles taller than him in the air,i've never seen a centre-half who loved a header like him :thumbsup:
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I wonder who'd win in a fight between the two. I'd pay to watch that.
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At a guess, Billy. Way, way, waay dirtier and more thuggish! Remember that fist to Westy at Rushden?
BobG
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Sutherland was an Animal of a player,he wasn't actually that big,but seemed about six five in his socks :laugh:
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Sounds like a breath of fresh air to me. it shows that we are making ever forward steps to improve the football club. now the stadium isnt eating away at our pockets we might just start progressing as a club in terms of stature. in an ideal world we could do with around 3million to use on players, bringing in the quality sharp had for example.
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Sounds like a breath of fresh air to me. it shows that we are making ever forward steps to improve the football club. now the stadium isnt eating away at our pockets we might just start progressing as a club in terms of stature. in an ideal world we could do with around 3million to use on players, bringing in the quality sharp had for example.
Totally agree, only problem is that we need the fan base to grow to help that happen. Here's fingers crossed to season ticket holders one day being 12000 for 2 or 3 seasons on the trot meaning they will have no other option other than extend the keepmoat to fit everyone in