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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: silent majority on June 12, 2013, 11:33:31 am
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It has been suggested, after the recent survey, that we could use a match day band to increase the atmosphere and noise level at the Keepmoat. We've seen some examples, good and bad, in recent seasons at the Keepmoat, the stand out one being the Portsmouth fans. England of course have the England Band, ex-SWFC, and they gather criticism as well as plaudits.
But what's your opinion? Should we give it a try at the Keepmoat?
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Why not? At least on a trial basis and take it from there.
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Can't see it doing any harm but anything will be better than the atmosphere that we have at the moment which is non-existent.
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No, no, no, no and more no from me.
If people are so arsed about improving the match day atmosphere they should make an effort to contribute to it rather than just expecting someone with a drum, a band, or a singing section to do the 'work' for them.
I tend to find those that moan about the atmosphere are those who make no effort whatsoever themselves.
I would be very frustrated if a band was placed anywhere near me.
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Yes from me to giving it a trial, why not, but they'd have to be decent and used right, but I'm all for trialling things see how it goes.
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I think you're right there bfyp regarding the decency of the band. I can understand fans moaning about drummers etc if they are not that good and don't really know how to create an atmosphere
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Yeah. Worth a try. Can't be any worse than it is now.
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No, no, no, no and more no from me.
If people are so arsed about improving the match day atmosphere they should make an effort to contribute to it rather than just expecting someone with a drum, a band, or a singing section to do the 'work' for them.
I tend to find those that moan about the atmosphere are those who make no effort whatsoever themselves.
I would be very frustrated if a band was placed anywhere near me.
Agree 100%
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Best thing ever was the drummer at the Allianz arena Bayern Munich....stood at the front never did anything other than get the crowd going!!starting and maintaining chants etc was awesome to watch....
I also think we miss Andy as Donny dog! far too subdued now! Andy used to initiate crowd interaction etc and was hilarious at times....
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No, no, no, no and more no from me.
If people are so arsed about improving the match day atmosphere they should make an effort to contribute to it rather than just expecting someone with a drum, a band, or a singing section to do the 'work' for them.
I tend to find those that moan about the atmosphere are those who make no effort whatsoever themselves.
I would be very frustrated if a band was placed anywhere near me.
When you say moaning......................
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Best thing ever was the drummer at the Allianz arena Bayern Munich....[/quote]
Think you dropped something there.................. :whistle:
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Best thing ever was the drummer at the Allianz arena Bayern Munich....stood at the front never did anything other than get the crowd going!!starting and maintaining chants etc was awesome to watch....
I also think we miss Andy as Donny dog! far too subdued now! Andy used to initiate crowd interaction etc and was hilarious at times....
Shall we have a whip round and buy Donny Dog a moped?
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I'd definitely like to see this at least on a trial basis.
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Shall we have a whip round and buy Donny Dog a moped?
Yes, yes, YES :woohoo:
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Maybe trial at pre season games finding the best spot like next to away or front of south or back of south maybe family stand in the corner
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There's no point in preseason games. No one attempts to make an atmosphere at them and it'd fall flat on its arse.
I'd say back of the south though.
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Best thing ever was the drummer at the Allianz arena Bayern Munich....[/quote]
Think you dropped something there.................. :whistle:
eh???Am I daft or missing something?
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Maybe its to do with TSV 1860 München , being the "Other" team who share stadium, other than that , I am not sure. But as you refer to BM ( assume it was one of their matches you watched), cant see what is "Dropped".
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No, no, no, no and more no from me.
If people are so arsed about improving the match day atmosphere they should make an effort to contribute to it rather than just expecting someone with a drum, a band, or a singing section to do the 'work' for them.
I tend to find those that moan about the atmosphere are those who make no effort whatsoever themselves.
I would be very frustrated if a band was placed anywhere near me.
Agree 100%
Me too. Atmosphere needs to be generated by supporters singing and chanting. Bands may make a noise but I would hate to be sat or stood anywhere close.
For me it's a lazy option. Not suggesting banging a drum or blowing a trumpet isn't hard work but its been considered because not enough supporters are prepared to put the effort into more 'traditional' footie noise.
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As long as they don't play the same rubbish the England band do, old classics are ok but are boring after the 1st or 2nd rendition, they would need to have plenty of rousing tunes in their locker along with others to help whip the crowd up. I've just come back from morocco from my hols and they have some great stuff which you can't help to get going to. I'll post a vid I took when back at my pc
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A Pre-Requisite is that the "Members" of the band can actually play the instruments. Then repotoire could be sorted. Nah......No band for me.
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When I saw the thread title, I thought it meant half time entertainment.
Thing is, even with a band, we go back to the old chestnut of all the singers sitting seperately, reducing atmosphere. Until that's sorted, I can't see a band having much effect.
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If you want a band then go to a gig.
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At Dortmund they have a fan who doesn't watch the games, but instead stands facing the "yellow wall" with a megaphone and gets the crowd going.
Speaking from an entirely personal point of view I'm not sure if a band is the right way to go around improving the match-day atmosphere. Using the England band as an example I have heard people say that the atmosphere at Wembley for England games is poor (much like the KMS) and the band don't help.
Then there is the question of whether it will be genuine supporters or a local band as it were...
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At Dortmund they have a fan who doesn't watch the games, but instead stands facing the "yellow wall" with a megaphone and gets the crowd going.
Speaking from an entirely personal point of view I'm not sure if a band is the right way to go around improving the match-day atmosphere. Using the England band as an example I have heard people say that the atmosphere at Wembley for England games is poor (much like the KMS) and the band don't help.
Then there is the question of whether it will be genuine supporters or a local band as it were...
I think the atmosphere at Wembley might have something to do with the rubbish that the fans have to endure when England play there.
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Perhaps Wellred :lol: but even when Engalnd have played well against bigger sides (Brazil, Spain etc.,) there just isn't that hair raising goose-bump noise levels...
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I cant remember the last time I got excited watching England
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I remember after the South Africa World Cup JR suggested vuvuzela's to get some atmosphere! Wouldn't want to go there but I can't see the harm of trying a band for a few games - if it doesn't work, ditch it!
:rtid:
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There Is no harm I giving it a try, but it would need to be somewhere other than the south stand, they make enough noise.
The issue with the KMS is the East and west stands, they NEVER make noise, I should know, I sit there with my ST.
if the band is going to work (I don't think it will) it needs to be amateur ish with a decent but not too good standard if that make sense, and please don't use that guy from Portsmouth as an example, he annoys the shit out of me lol. :rtid:
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I wouldn't necessarily go for a band, but recruit someone capable of this etc., to add to the drum(s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4BxgbulaDk
Just a trumpet or some kind of horn would provide much more than what a drum beat alone can provide.
Just that little fanfare above, always gets the desired response of 'Ole', and if we are about to embark on a new era of 'Ole' football, could come in handy.
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What a f**king disaster a match day band would be. Here's a solution, sing and chant and be a bit more lively at a football match, not hard.
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These blokes weren't bad for a football band.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rTbu-P7P0I
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I wouldn't necessarily go for a band, but recruit someone capable of this etc., to add to the drum(s)
<snip>
Just a trumpet or some kind of horn would provide much more than what a drum beat alone can provide.
Just that little fanfare above, always gets the desired response of 'Ole', and if we are about to embark on a new era of 'Ole' football, could come in handy.
Good one :thumbsup:
What we need is something unique and simple. trotting out tired old methods won't work - I think a band isn't the best plan.
There's no doubt about it that the two probelms, apart from fans being lazy:
1) getting all the people in one place.(solution safe standing in the south stand)
2) the acoustics of the southstand. Leave the rest of the stadium as it is but sort the southstand please. It was one of the things that was asked for when the keepmoat was being designed and some lemon couldn't be arsed to do anything about it :-/
Yeah, trumpet, or something simple, and the drum, and a bloke with a megaphone, and kick out the lazy feckers from the south stand, and let off flares... and safe standing. Sorted.
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That bloody England band
Had to laugh me tits off When i was out in Albania
With England and all sorts Of lads were getting into the
Ground with no stress from the local cops and army.
Then the England band Get the knock back at the gate
And bascially told to 'fcuk off your not comming in'by albanian Police.
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Bring back Trumpet Man! :)
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I wouldn't necessarily go for a band, but recruit someone capable of this etc., to add to the drum(s)
<snip>
Just a trumpet or some kind of horn would provide much more than what a drum beat alone can provide.
Just that little fanfare above, always gets the desired response of 'Ole', and if we are about to embark on a new era of 'Ole' football, could come in handy.
Good one :thumbsup:
What we need is something unique and simple. trotting out tired old methods won't work - I think a band isn't the best plan.
There's no doubt about it that the two probelms, apart from fans being lazy:
1) getting all the people in one place.(solution safe standing in the south stand)
2) the acoustics of the southstand. Leave the rest of the stadium as it is but sort the southstand please. It was one of the things that was asked for when the keepmoat was being designed and some lemon couldn't be arsed to do anything about it :-/
Yeah, trumpet, or something simple, and the drum, and a bloke with a megaphone, and kick out the lazy feckers from the south stand, and let off flares... and safe standing. Sorted.
Agree with it all!
Shame the acoustics are so bad. Surely the stadium could have been better designed to improve this?
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Would be good to see a band at the Keepmoat but do you reckon others would join in with the atmosphere?, take a look @ Palace for example, all they have is 1 drum and some very good vocal chords -
http://youtu.be/7HeJe8GC024
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Anything that drowns out that 'nob with the mic' is alright by me.
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I'm not against the club trying something as for whatever reason the home atmosphere is lacking a bit. However I think as some have suggested that there aren't enough people either trying or in the right place. I think a band could actually lead to even more laziness from fans who dip in and out of chanting. If the club want to get people together to orchestrate some noise - just get some hardcore singers together and position them close enough to a large group in the south stand.
Been mentioned dozens of times too - but I really think we need to turn off the music at 2.50 so more chants can start/be heard when the teams come out.
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A no from me, I do think something needs to be done about trying to generate a better atmosphere but I don't think this is the way and will fall flat on its arse. For this to work IMO you need a large crowd with the vast majority of fans wanting to sing congregated together but this isn't the case at the keepmoat.
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get louis tomlinson and his mates in to watch a match , tell l the local ladies they are coming and i bet you you will witness such a noise never heard before at the keepmoat.
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I cant believe so many of you are in favour. That Wendy band and their intensly annoying droning interminable great escape dirge, do you really want something like that? Cos that's what it'll end up like.
Unbelievable!
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I cant believe so many of you are in favour.
I don't think many are in favour of a full band. May be a trumpeter to add to the drum but that's about it.
It's just getting people going and then let the vocals take over. Totally disagree about the acoustics of the stadium. If there are enough people making a noise you will hear it. When the South Stand is near full, and there's plenty going on to encourage noise then there's no problem.
We have pockets of willing folk around the stadium but alas, anything that get's started quickly peters out, but when the KM is fuller and we're up for it, it's plenty noisy enough.
Don't blame the stadium, it's the people in it that make a difference!
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What a f**king disaster a match day band would be. Here's a solution, sing and chant and be a bit more lively at a football match, not hard.
Clearly it is hard as we don't manage it at home.
If it was that simple for us we wouldn't even be discussing this.
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...Totally disagree about the acoustics of the stadium. If there are enough people making a noise you will hear it. When the South Stand is near full, and there's plenty going on to encourage noise then there's no problem.
....Don't blame the stadium, it's the people in it that make a difference!
Whilst I agree its more about people getting stuck in with making some noise, the stadium is also to blame. One thing I've read is that the rake makes a difference, eg Wembley is rubbish, Keepmoat suffers here too. Having a deep "ravine" type set up, eg Millenium Stadium, is good.
If the roof is tilted down rather than up, it helps the noise not get lost especially for the fans in the stand but also for the ground as a whole - the Keepmoat isn't great on that score.
Extending the roof like this would help - perspex extensions letting the light in and increasing the sound.
(http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo164/eastender1/stadium_expansion.jpg)
Having flatter structures in the roof and surrounding helps too - though there is a trade off in that when the stadium is used as a music venue, those kind of things make it too reverberating.
In this article on stadium acoustics http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22110898 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22110898) it also emphasises keeping singing fans together, standing areas and with cheaper prices in those standing areas you will attract more of a vocal culture eg German clubs. This is something that the club could be proactive on.
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...Totally disagree about the acoustics of the stadium. If there are enough people making a noise you will hear it. When the South Stand is near full, and there's plenty going on to encourage noise then there's no problem.
....Don't blame the stadium, it's the people in it that make a difference!
Whilst I agree its more about people getting stuck in with making some noise, the stadium is also to blame. One thing I've read is that the rake makes a difference, eg Wembley is rubbish, Keepmoat suffers here too. Having a deep "ravine" type set up, eg Millenium Stadium, is good.
If the roof is tilted down rather than up, it helps the noise not get lost especially for the fans in the stand but also for the ground as a whole - the Keepmoat isn't great on that score.
Extending the roof like this would help - perspex extensions letting the light in and increasing the sound.
(http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo164/eastender1/stadium_expansion.jpg)
Having flatter structures in the roof and surrounding helps too - though there is a trade off in that when the stadium is used as a music venue, those kind of things make it too reverberating.
In this article on stadium acoustics http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22110898 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22110898) it also emphasises keeping singing fans together, standing areas and with cheaper prices in those standing areas you will attract more of a vocal culture eg German clubs. This is something that the club could be proactive on.
not to be rude, but yes, lets expand capacity on a stadium we cant fill... :chair:
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I agree with Jenny. Absolutely hate it and it does my head in at England games. If you want to listen to a band go to Grimethorpe!!
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not to be rude, but yes, lets expand capacity on a stadium we cant fill... :chair:
Agreed, it was to show the roof extensions not the increased capacity bit :)
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Rather then a band (or vuvuzela) couldn't we get some war horns? Create atmosphere and build the 'viking' brand up more? If done right it would go well with the drumming and could add a atmosphere that opposition players would find intimidating but that rovers fans and newbies could get into...
...not that I could think up suitable chants for it like but Im sure there are others on here who have that skillset
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What about the frumptarn Guggen Band they should liven things up!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6If**kQsU6U
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They are from Barnsley so very local
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Bring back Trumpet Man! :)
Bloody hell no, not that guy!
I'd be very against a band, for the many reasons suggested above. The self-proclaimed Wales Supporters Band The Barry Horns are a very good band, but it sits uneasy with me when they're turning out the theme from Rocky, or Play that Funky Music whilst the opposition are bearing down on the Welsh goal. I've seen many lows watching Wales, but I think conceding a goal to a background of Jazz-funk would beat them all. Fair enough for putting the suggestion open to debate, as I am surprised by just how many are in favour, but please God no.
I've made this point a lot of times in the past, but I don't see why, when it comes to 'atmosphere' or songs or chants we seem to abandon any sense of orginality and just copy other clubs and teams. Surely we've enough unique history of our own, as a town and a club, to create a very particular atmosphere that can be associated with Doncaster, rather than just 'Doncaster's version of...' or another variant of Sloop John B
A couple of suggestions
- Instead of the generic Carnival de Paris, sing the theme from Open All Hours
- If we must have goal music, make it the 'na na, n-na na na' bit from Angel is a Centrefold
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Wasn't there a clip on here a few month ago of an American Football game halftime entertainment of a massive brass band doing Tetris and Mario and all that? That was unbelievably good.
EDIT: Found it, sure someone posted it on here a few months back, but found on link below anyway:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngjcAvg6TYg
... Quality :thumbsup:
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Could we not get Tony Christie to write us a song? :thumbsup: :laugh:
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Bring back Trumpet Man! :)
- If we must have goal music, make it the 'na na, n-na na na' bit from Angel is a Centrefold
:that:
:woohoo: That brings back some fond memories. :woohoo:
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Bring back Trumpet Man! :)
- If we must have goal music, make it the 'na na, n-na na na' bit from Angel is a Centrefold
:that:
:woohoo: That brings back some fond memories. :woohoo:
For me personally i would absolutely love it if we played this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUbbxBTT2T0
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In answer to the original post, my answer would be no. I had to change seats just to get away from the drummer.
If there has to be a band can it be put in the north west corner as that is about as far away from me as possible.
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A marching band- like this lot ;):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq5i-6cJMJs
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No wonder we struggle to get an atmosphere at the Moat when there is so many fans moaning they don't want a drummer near them,they dont want a band,according to many fans,every bloke they get to do the mike is a knob in some form or another.God forgive me,Im starting to think our fans are bigger whingers than the Blunts. :facepalm:
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Bring back Trumpet Man! :)
- If we must have goal music, make it the 'na na, n-na na na' bit from Angel is a Centrefold
:that:
:woohoo: That brings back some fond memories. :woohoo:
For me personally i would absolutely love it if we played this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUbbxBTT2T0
+ 1 Awesome
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As the thread is about asking for opinions, my answer is a great big NO. Do I need a reason?
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In answer to the original post, my answer would be no. I had to change seats just to get away from the drummer.
If there has to be a band can it be put in the north west corner as that is about as far away from me as possible.
Why sit in the south stand where the focus of the noise has always been at the Keepmoat if you don't like the noise? Not a criticism, just wanting to know why :)
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Give the band a go for 5 home games, not the big ones, the smaller ones... and then decide.
why not, the prawn sandwich brigade need to realise this is football, not afternoon at the races.
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Leebtyler,
That's pretty much the plan, the response is pretty mixed, so we'll give it a try on a limited basis and judge the response from there. The size of the band needs looking at, maybe just the addition of the trumpet will suffice, who knows?
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I know a lass who is cracking at blowing a bugal!!
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personally i'd give it two trumpets if possible, the acoustics are terrible.
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How about some acoustic guitar for when things get a little more introspective?
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Its gonna be a big fat cringe i can tell!
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unreserved seating !
them as want to make a row get to all congregate in the same place, them as don't can sit elsewhere - or get as far away from any "band" as they want
never heard a coherent reason for the necessity for folk to sit in specific seats (or to sit at all, come to that, but that's another issue), and never will.....
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I can just about put up with a drummer (just about!) but:
I HATE BANDS AT FOOTBALL MATCHES
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unreserved seating !
them as want to make a row get to all congregate in the same place, them as don't can sit elsewhere - or get as far away from any "band" as they want
never heard a coherent reason for the necessity for folk to sit in specific seats (or to sit at all, come to that, but that's another issue), and never will.....
So you've got a way of knowing who's sat where and so you can control the crowd easier I think SM once said.
Agree though, would love to see unreserved as unlikely as it is.
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No to a band. It's 70's Wembley fodder. A tune is needed that we make our own. Like Man City's Blue Moon or dare I say it the Blunts.............whatever they sing at least the whole ground sing along.
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No to a band. It's 70's Wembley fodder. A tune is needed that we make our own. Like Man City's Blue Moon or dare I say it the Blunts.............whatever they sing at least the whole ground sing along.
That'd never happen at the Keepmoat.
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.................dare to dream young man, dare to dream ;o)
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Unreserved seating would be the first stage in sorting out this mess of an atmosphere. Its like we're dealing with some dusty cobwebbed officialdom in this? Come on IRWT - this is simple to change.
Stage 1
Make all Cup and friendly games unreserved seating in SSC and SSD, or ideally the whole of the south stand.
Stage 2
Announce that the central two blocks in the South Stand (SSC and SSD) will be unreserved from 2014-15. Offer a tiny reduction in season ticket price for this assuming it remains seated. People who move from there get a similar small reduction for the one season in compensation.
Stage 3
Turn said two blocks into safe standing, entirely. Either by the beginning of 2014-15 or in phases ie do the top halve of each first.
Work out how to ensure the cheap standing people don't use seats - attach wooden boards with nails on the inside onto their arses.
Do it, it will make a difference, a good difference.
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I agree that unreserved seating could have a positive impact, but not just for atmosphere purposes.
However, the club would have to be careful about how and where to implement this given that no doubt there are good loyal customers who might not wish to give up their seat and would certainly not appreciate being served notice to do so, even if they were offered a reduction in price. I could do more harm than good.
I suggested to the club, we could have a one off season where ALL adult seats/STs were offered at the same price, say £300, which would allow people to move anywhere they wish (i.e Cat B to A and visa versa) to accommodate an unreserved area in the South Stand.
However, I think in any event those in the affected area deserve to be at least consulted.
Logistically, and certainly to start off with, I'm guessing that the first 5 lower rows of the South Stand (and probably the East and West) are not that heavily populated with ST holders and therefore choosing this area would have the least impact.
Now if folk who pay at the cash turnstile initially sit in these first 5 rows and after the match starts, seats higher up are available, then there's no reason why they can't shuffle up.
So, ideally in the South Stand we can accommodate ST holders, non ST holders who wish to chose their seat at the ticket office and non ST holders who can sit in an unreserved area after paying at the cash turnstile.
On a game by game basis, it will be quite easy to see the take up rate for the unreserved section.
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The drum is bad enought, please no band!!! Other better ways to improve the atmosfere.
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Get Russ Abbott in. He could drum up an atmos!
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The drum is bad enought, please no band!!! Other better ways to improve the atmosfere.
Lets hear what they are then. We're always open to ideas that are workable and cost efficient.
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In answer to the original post, my answer would be no. I had to change seats just to get away from the drummer.
If there has to be a band can it be put in the north west corner as that is about as far away from me as possible.
Why sit in the south stand where the focus of the noise has always been at the Keepmoat if you don't like the noise? Not a criticism, just wanting to know why :)
Ok. I sit in the South Stand because I chose to do so when the stadium opened and it was too expensive at that time for me to buy a season ticket in the central areas of West and East and I found that the view was decent. The drummer then was placed about five rows directly behind me and it was too much for my eardrums to bear. Yes I want there to be an atmosphere but just a thud thud thud continually doesn't do it for me I'm afraid. Many complained but I chose to move seats to be further away from the drum that's all. As for the band, I go to football matches because I like to watch football. If I wanted to listen to a band I'd join the salvation army.
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The drum is bad enought, please no band!!! Other better ways to improve the atmosfere.
Lets hear what they are then. We're always open to ideas that are workable and cost efficient.
*Unreserved seating in most parts of the ground.
*makeover in the stands to look more like its a rovers match, not some random sunday league match.
*cheaper tickets all round
All those are better than a band and that's what all fans should be focesing on.
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The drum is bad enought, please no band!!! Other better ways to improve the atmosfere.
Lets hear what they are then. We're always open to ideas that are workable and cost efficient.
*Unreserved seating in most parts of the ground.
*makeover in the stands to look more like its a rovers match, not some random sunday league match.
*cheaper tickets all round
All those are better than a band and that's what all fans should be focesing on.
As I said, ideas that are workable and cost efficient. None of those are.
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The club can make it work. If we a relaying on having a band to creat atmosfere then i am sorry but the keepmoat will just continue to be a boring place and probably drive more people away
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What kind of random Sunday league matches are you going to? f**k me they must have some dosh to have a ground like the Keepmoat.
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I meant becos inside the stands there isnt really an identitie where you get the feeling you are at a rovers match. Its all boring and a band wont improve that, it needs more
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*Unreserved seating in most parts of the ground.
As I said, ideas that are workable and cost efficient. None of those are.
just out of interest, like, is it just the italicised bit which makes that unworkable and costly ?
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*Unreserved seating in most parts of the ground.
As I said, ideas that are workable and cost efficient. None of those are.
just out of interest, like, is it just the italicised bit which makes that unworkable and costly ?
Yes. The club are introducing unreserved seating next season along with the cash gate. But to try and do it by upsetting most st holders would be unworkable.
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As unworkabble as giving Leeds fans a secshion of the home end for a competive game when we hav fans who have chosen to sit there since the stadium first opend?
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As unworkabble as giving Leeds fans a secshion of the home end for a competive game when we hav fans who have chosen to sit there since the stadium first opend?
There is no comparison, nor are your statements entirely correct. The closure of the northern end of the east stand affected no more than 60 st holders and was done for reasons of cost saving, and those st holders were moved to better seats. It certainly wasn't done to accommodate Leeds fans.
By offering unreserved seating in most of the stadium today would affect about 5 thousand st holders.
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Let's have some balance here friends.
As said above, I'm sure many of us think that unreserved seating will help. Not based on anything scientific but gut feeling/past experience.
In dealings with the club when putting suggestions to the club about this, cash turnstiles etc,, we gone from "No way Jose", to "Let's give it a try"
I think the clubs approach is right not to be wading in to potentially upset far more people than the "Leeds" affair affected, as the North East corner was the least populated area of the ground.
S_M knows my stance of prices but again, the club have gone further than they have before in addressing prices, payment methods, family tickets. The beer prices shows there is an awareness of price sensitivity.
Going back to the original question, it seems a band is not a popular choice but as WanchopeDickov says, perhaps not enough people on here to gauge a real opinion, so I guess we may just have to trial it, eh Martin?
What we could do, is start with the drummer, then a trumpeter join in. If all goes well, then a trombone joins and so on and so forth !!
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So it looks like the decision has already been made.
A band for Christ's sake!
Why not get someone to dress up as Homer Simpson and he can dance along to them.
I've a good mind to cancel my season ticket.
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Well that's a bit extreme..
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No it isn't. I cant stand the gradual Americanisation of OUR game.
A lousy couple of trumpets wont make ANY difference.
The atmosphere is what it is. People forget that at Belle Vue it was much the same and is at most football grounds.
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Seems like the decision has been made before the question was asked! Jesus, talk about "our club"... I always say that atmosfere can't be created, it has to be spontaneos. Bit like that silly "standing/singing" thing the other season at the keepmoat. Still, we'll get what we're told we like I suppose.
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Seems like the decision has been made before the question was asked! Jesus, talk about "our club"... I always say that atmosfere can't be created, it has to be spontaneos. Bit like that silly "standing/singing" thing the other season at the keepmoat. Still, we'll get what we're told we like I suppose.
Not strictly true; the opening posts says it has been suggested "after the recent survey", which I read as it was something some fans have suggested and the club have thought "hmm, yes lets give it a try, but before we do lets ask people's opinions first so we have a reaction to base it against if we do trial it".
For the record I don't think we should have a band, but at least the club are actually trying to do something about the atmosphere. We have just been promoted, ST sales are above target and next season will see us against bigger competition; the club could have just easily ignored atmosphere and relied on the feel good factor but no our club Doncaster Rovers have decided not to look back, keep moving forward and always striving to be better and while that attitude exists I will remain proud of my club.
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Going back to the original question, it seems a band is not a popular choice but as WanchopeDickov says, perhaps not enough people on here to gauge a real opinion, so I guess we may just have to trial it, eh Martin?
Can't believe you fell for my wind up!!
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I think a big thing that kills the atmosphere is at the start if the game and at the start of half time when the music is played far too loud to hear yourself think and the bloke on the mike who has far too much to say for himself at both times, sometimes less is more.
Another problem is that we just don't have enough fans who are as passionate and like to sing about it as much as others clubs like Portsmouth, Blackpool, palace, etc are ones who have always impressed me with their vocal support both home and away. They have had years to do this and not lost generations to other local clubs like we have
This is sometimes because thoughs who go to away games to sing like to take their kids in the family stand at home, or like to sit near the halfway line for a better/different view to away games. It's then harder to join in with the singing when your the only one in your section. I like sitting in the south stand (although I don't always sing) because you get a better sense of atmosphere.
Overall the club should not be chastised for wanting to put a fans idea forward and although some are against it, why not try it to see how it goes, it can't do any harm and if it works then great for all around, if not then stick with what we know.
I am wondering if something else could be done to promote an atmosphere on match days if people want to in say the south stand only but in a way it would not be annoying, whether its whistles to go with the band.
Maybe in addition to sky sports news there could be a montage of rovers history and goals etc on some screens in the home concourse before the game to help build some pride and confidence in the fans add to this some pre match entertainment such as certain acts or a band playing on the pitch all to help build the atmosphere
Just some little ideas which when combined together get you looking forward to the game and in good voice especially for the kick off. A lot then relies on how the team plays
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Using my crystal ball, this thread will probably be long forgotten, surpassed by the astute signings of Dickov, moulding a team with skill, endeavour, guile, pace and goals.
The last throws of summer, moving into autumn brings party atmospheres to the KM following significant wins against so called 'fancied teams'.
All without the aid of a 'band'.
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Said all along that the loud music blasting out when the teams come out along with stupid music after a goal kills all attempts by the singers to create an atmosphere as they're drowned out. A matchday band will kill it even more unless folk just want to listen to poor brass band renditions of football songs they'd normally be chanting themselves.
I hate bands at football matches so much that I'll be giving those games a miss and hope I can't hear them on Radio Sheff or RW. I really hope this isn't the way Rovers are heading or it's Armthorpe Welfare for my fix in future.
And before anyone starts, this is only a negative opinion if you are in favour of the matchday band. Personally I'd call not spoiling football with brass bands a positive opinion.
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Hear Hear Don. All this unnecessary music and razzamataz helps to ruin any atmosphere not enhance it.
A band would be the final straw for me. I'd be OOT!
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Said all along that the loud music blasting out when the teams come out along with stupid music after a goal kills all attempts by the singers to create an atmosphere as they're drowned out. A matchday band will kill it even more unless folk just want to listen to poor brass band renditions of football songs they'd normally be chanting themselves.
I hate bands at football matches so much that I'll be giving those games a miss and hope I can't hear them on Radio Sheff or RW. I really hope this isn't the way Rovers are heading or it's Armthorpe Welfare for my fix in future.
And before anyone starts, this is only a negative opinion if you are in favour of the matchday band. Personally I'd call not spoiling football with brass bands a positive opinion.
the club did stop the goal music and the music before kick off last season for certain games.
it didnt work.
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Said all along that the loud music blasting out when the teams come out along with stupid music after a goal kills all attempts by the singers to create an atmosphere as they're drowned out. A matchday band will kill it even more unless folk just want to listen to poor brass band renditions of football songs they'd normally be chanting themselves.
I hate bands at football matches so much that I'll be giving those games a miss and hope I can't hear them on Radio Sheff or RW. I really hope this isn't the way Rovers are heading or it's Armthorpe Welfare for my fix in future.
And before anyone starts, this is only a negative opinion if you are in favour of the matchday band. Personally I'd call not spoiling football with brass bands a positive opinion.
the club did stop the goal music and the music before kick off last season for certain games.
it didnt work.
It did, but John Ryan insisted it was back apparently, or so I seem to remember reading on here so could easily be wrong.
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That's it pretty much. We argued for, and got, a change in the music, some changes around our friend on the 'mic' and other assorted bits and pieces. But gradually it moved back to where it started.
We have another opportunity to influence proceedings before we start the new season. Lets see how we get on again.
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I've a feeling our JR is someone who likes razzmatazz and would leap at the Americanisation.
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There's nothing wrong with trying to improve the 'entertainment' on offer.
We'll never get everyone to agree about what's best as everyone's taste is different. I'm sure some have not changed their pre-match routine for years and don't really give two hoots about pre-match music/entertainment.
Judging by the late arrivals and early departures of some the club can't do much to tickle those folk. Everyone to their own.
I think the club should just get on with trying things and see how they are received. Not suggesting for one minute that a band during the game will be good, bad, indifferent or just really annoying. However, I'd be curious if nothing else.
I'd like to see Donny Dog get up to more antics on match days. I'm sure many of us have witnessed many funny moments. I'd love the current Dog to lighten up a bit and learn to ride a mini-motorbike. For those who didn't see it first time around, I'm sure they'll find it hilarious.
Donny Dog during the match used to run up and down trying to get the crowd going. In many ways, he was our cheerleader and did much to get the atmosphere going.
I saw our current Donny Dog recently doing the filming for a video doing the Gangnam on the back of Andy's little truck, so we know she's got it in her to entertain!
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There's nothing wrong with trying to improve the 'entertainment' on offer.
We'll never get everyone to agree about what's best as everyone's taste is different. I'm sure some have not changed their pre-match routine for years and don't really give two hoots about pre-match music/entertainment.
Judging by the late arrivals and early departures of some the club can't do much to tickle those folk. Everyone to their own.
I think the club should just get on with trying things and see how they are received. Not suggesting for one minute that a band during the game will be good, bad, indifferent or just really annoying. However, I'd be curious if nothing else.
I'd like to see Donny Dog get up to more antics on match days. I'm sure many of us have witnessed many funny moments. I'd love the current Dog to lighten up a bit and learn to ride a mini-motorbike. For those who didn't see it first time around, I'm sure they'll find it hilarious.
Donny Dog during the match used to run up and down trying to get the crowd going. In many ways, he was our cheerleader and did much to get the atmosphere going.
I saw our current Donny Dog recently doing the filming for a video doing the Gangnam on the back of Andy's little truck, so we know she's got it in her to entertain!
Nice and cryptic Baz ;)
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Ha ha. Tinker!