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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: normal rules on September 28, 2013, 09:17:42 pm
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36 quid for adults £18 for U16 (cat a price)
another attendance that will suffer
another game I wont be going to.
Are we strong enough as a group of supporters to stand together and boycott this one fixture?
Something has got to change, something has to be done. If We continue to pay it, they will continue to charge it.
#twentysplenty
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No. Nobody's going to care if 2,000 donny fans dont turn up and its not going to make the slightest bit of difference to their pricing structure. I'll be going and supporting my team no matter what.
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Normally all away games but you have to make a stand at some point and I will not spend £36 and £18 each for the bin lids
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Kieron - I chose to sit at home today in Lincolnshire listening to radio Sheffield. I supported my team from afar. I really wanted to be at Hillsborough today. I was there the last time we played there. In many ways I was actually there getting texts from my good friend Derek coupled wih the live commentary.
I, like many others, chose not to go on principle, not because I don't support my team, but because I feel that enough is enough with regard to matchday ticket prices at some clubs.
I am 43, have a mortgage and family. I have plenty of disposable income being lucky enough to have a salaried well paid job. I really fear though for my 16 yr old son - who is a massive rovers fan now having travelled around the countrywith me following our team.
The price hikes over the last ten years will make football unaffordable at it present rate for much more of the populous that it is currently. this is my fear. I love our national game , but a line has to be drawn at some point. Support for your team, I understand is unconditionable. The cost of this support has to have conditions for those of us with other financial constraints.
I wish rovers well at ER. I was there with my lad when stocky scored the free kick on that memorable day. Its was 20 quid then for me and a fiver for my lad. A good day out, and affordable. If I recall there was 4000 rovers there too, balloons and all.
There wont be anywhere near that number there next march; which is sad, and avoidable if clubs priced tickets right.
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58% of the 116 who voted on the Hillsborough ticket price poll did not go today purely because of the cost. That's just the vsc members who voted. Spread this across the whole rovers supporters spectrum and you get an idea of how big a deal this is.
I speak to a broad range of football supporters at all league levels and it is becoming an increasing problem, from premiership to non league.
Its getting too expensive - simple as that.
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NR i agree i wont be going to Leeds either based on price adult prices are over the top but the kids prices are just crackers. I too have other priorities that i could spend that kind of money on . I have another kid on way too i think that away games will be few and far between for my kids and i think its a real shame as when i came back to the UK it was one of the things i was looking forward to most watching my team play away from home.
I just hope we keep prices sensible at home to allow me to take my kids to enjoy , something that i was able to enjoy with my dad when i was growing up. It gets you thinking though if kids are getting priced out already at some clubs where is their future support going to come from?
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I took my 9 year old grandson to watch Thackley today.
I paid £5 for us to get in I had 2 pints at £2.20 a go, £1 for a fruitshoot and £1 for a programme.
I bought £4 worth of raffle tickets. All for less than it would have cost for a ticket for today's game at Hillsborough.
That's before petrol money from Bradford and back.
No contest really.
The only two away games that I am definitely going to now are Birmingham and Blackburn, two grounds that I haven't visited.
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I bought the tickets for our lot together for today. Two kids, five adults one of which is just 18........£191.00. Week in Spain costs the same.....full board
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I agree the prices are ridiculous. My point was if little old donny dont take any fans to leeds its hardly going to send shock waves through the football league is it. It wont make any difference.
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Leeds do it to try and out price away fans from going so it cuts down on any atmosphere from away and so you can only hear the home fans
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I agree the prices are ridiculous. My point was if little old donny dont take any fans to leeds its hardly going to send shock waves through the football league is it. It wont make any difference.
Would it really make NO difference if one team (doesn't have to be us) doesn't take a single fan to Elland Road? Can you imagine the coverage that kind of 'silent' protest would get?
I'm not discouraging anyone going by the way, its up to Rovers fans whether they can afford those prices and whether they want to pay those prices. Just pointing out that while fans keep paying, football clubs will keep charging it...
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For all the whinging about todays price I thought the away following was brilliant.
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Gotta admit a went today, but £36 is gunna out price me again for this fixture. Wonder if can pull off been a 16 year old
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I think these 'big' clubs think the recession didn't happen.
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I went today but won't be going to Dirty Leeds at those prices so thats minus 2 going.
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We won't be going either . Enough is enough and an empty 'away'end will be commented on .........far too expensive and I hope we make an en masse stand for this game.
It's ridiculous that most clubs seeking to win the next generation of fans appears to be discouraging them now from going.
Please please MAKE A STAND for this game, STAY AWAY AND DON'T GO AWAY !!
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The best thing to do in mass is go and just don't go in the ground,just stand outside.not to far to go and do that.but does need a lot to do it and not just a few.
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The best thing to do in mass is go and just don't go in the ground,just stand outside.not to far to go and do that.but does need a lot to do it and not just a few.
That would be suicide round that way, plus you would just get moved on by the Fuzz for this reason.
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I would go and pay £36 if this fixture was either:
a. It was a late in the season potential promotion/relegation decider.
b. Our first visit to ER ever, or for decades when I'd never been before (like in 2008).
c. I had enough spare cash regularly to follow DRFC everywhere.
d. I wanted to tick off ER as a ground I had never been to before.
e. My ticket was a gift from someone else.
f. A late-round cup tie.
And any of the above are dependent on if I can actually go due to other commitments.
It is strange how we'll consider a cheaper but distant away fixture with much higher travel costs than a local one with higher ticket prices. However, when you go by car the travel cost is independent of whether you go alone or with a car full. In the latter case the ticket prices make a big difference.
For this season's match at ER I probably can afford the ticket comfortably but like many games this season I may not be able to go anyway due to family commitments. However, at £36 a pop I won't feel like I've missed out...
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I thought that I would rummage in my ticket box and hunt out this season's ticket prices for my away trips;
Leicester £28
Ipswich £43
Bolton £33
Millwall £26
Derby County £32
So are Wednesday's (even Leeds' tbh) prices that harsh, comparison wise? At the end of the day, football is an optional extra/luxury. Its a hobby, an obsessional one, I admit, but not food or energy. The industry that I work in has been hit harder by the recession than most, and pay rises have been non existent for 5 out of the last six years and I decided that to justify my continued away support, I would have to eliminate some of the other optional extra/luxuries in my life. So I cancelled my Sky Sports Subscription and rarely go out for a drink other than a Saturday now.
I can't help thinking that if I were a Donny fan, the money I saved by not going yesterday would appear poor compensation for missing a victory at Hillsborough, which travel cost wise, must be your cheapest of the season. Principles are a fine thing, but since when, in general, have football clubs given a flying f*** about their own fans, never mind those of opposing teams?
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I thought that I would rummage in my ticket box and hunt out this season's ticket prices for my away trips;
Leicester £28
Ipswich £43
Bolton £33
Millwall £26
Derby County £32
So are Wednesday's (even Leeds' tbh) prices that harsh, comparison wise? At the end of the day, football is an optional extra/luxury. Its a hobby, an obsessional one, I admit, but not food or energy. The industry that I work in has been hit harder by the recession than most, and pay rises have been non existent for 5 out of the last six years and I decided that to justify my continued away support, I would have to eliminate some of the other optional extra/luxuries in my life. So I cancelled my Sky Sports Subscription and rarely go out for a drink other than a Saturday now.
I can't help thinking that if I were a Donny fan, the money I saved by not going yesterday would appear poor compensation for missing a victory at Hillsborough, which travel cost wise, must be your cheapest of the season. Principles are a fine thing, but since when, in general, have football clubs given a flying f*** about their own fans, never mind those of opposing teams?
PS Sold my Reading Ticket but that was £32!
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Leeds wil get charged more as it will always be a category A game
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I won't be going to Leeds either, on principle! If more football fans protest has as being mentioned then sooner or later, the message will get through. If it's going to cost £32 for Derby, then that is another match I won't be going to especially with it being played the Saturday before Christmas.
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Don't think it's the adult prices fans are moaning about at Wednesday as such it's more the kids prices at £18
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I can't believe some of you are justifying these adult prices as reasonable. I admire the sacrifices some make for the love of football but maybe my values are out of touch. I believe football should be accessible and easily affordable to anyone who enjoys watching live football. If it is cheaper to watch wall to wall football on TV rather participate in a live community event with mates, family and likeminded people, then we have really lost the plot. Close the stands in favour of pay per view 'Club X' TV where you can choose your own angles and replays and hurl abuse by Twitter feed. Attendances judged on viewing figures.
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I agree the prices are ridiculous. My point was if little old donny dont take any fans to leeds its hardly going to send shock waves through the football league is it. It wont make any difference.
Would it really make NO difference if one team (doesn't have to be us) doesn't take a single fan to Elland Road? Can you imagine the coverage that kind of 'silent' protest would get?
I'm not discouraging anyone going by the way, its up to Rovers fans whether they can afford those prices and whether they want to pay those prices. Just pointing out that while fans keep paying, football clubs will keep charging it...
No it wouldnt. It would get mentioned briefly on soccer saturday and it would have a little article on the bbc football website. It would be forgotten about within a week.
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Don't think it's the adult prices fans are moaning about at Wednesday as such it's more the kids prices at £18
I think the kids prices are a real big issue. A fluctuation of a few £ for one adult ticket isn't too much of a problem if you go alone, but if you have 3 kids (future fans etc) prices like £18 are going to be very off-putting...
It was £10 for under 18s at Charlton, and £18 at Wednesday. 80% difference!!
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They can keep that n'all.
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I agree the prices are ridiculous. My point was if little old donny dont take any fans to leeds its hardly going to send shock waves through the football league is it. It wont make any difference.
Would it really make NO difference if one team (doesn't have to be us) doesn't take a single fan to Elland Road? Can you imagine the coverage that kind of 'silent' protest would get?
I'm not discouraging anyone going by the way, its up to Rovers fans whether they can afford those prices and whether they want to pay those prices. Just pointing out that while fans keep paying, football clubs will keep charging it...
Actually a complete botcott of this fixture would probably be a good thing.
I know it is unlikely to happen, some will always follow the Rovers. That is admirable but if we continue to accept these prices nothing will ever change.
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I agree the prices are ridiculous. My point was if little old donny dont take any fans to leeds its hardly going to send shock waves through the football league is it. It wont make any difference.
man city sent back 1000 tickets for their game at arsenal last year and it made national news.
we could set a precedent by being the first club to properly botcott a game in recent years.
something has to be done.
why not little old Donny.
boycott the leeds game I say.
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All turn up on the day and pay on the gate with 1ps
That will be 360 1ps or 180 1 ps and at end Of the day that loose Change would weigh a ton and be a mare for Leeds U fcuking nited to bank and account.
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I agree the prices are ridiculous. My point was if little old donny dont take any fans to leeds its hardly going to send shock waves through the football league is it. It wont make any difference.
man city sent back 1000 tickets for their game at arsenal last year and it made national news.
we could set a precedent by being the first club to properly botcott a game in recent years.
something has to be done.
why not little old Donny.
boycott the leeds game I say.
Has it changed anything? No and arsenals tickets prices are still the same.
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If the scum loose another 3 games on the trot there won't be many in the home end either and we will see just how big a club they really are.
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I agree the prices are ridiculous. My point was if little old donny dont take any fans to leeds its hardly going to send shock waves through the football league is it. It wont make any difference.
man city sent back 1000 tickets for their game at arsenal last year and it made national news.
we could set a precedent by being the first club to properly botcott a game in recent years.
something has to be done.
why not little old Donny.
boycott the leeds game I say.
Has it changed anything? No and arsenals tickets prices are still the same.
That's not true at all, there has been several regional meetings, I hosted one in manchester which had all the north-west clubs present, and there was a national march which ended in the PL headquarters and a meeting with Richard Scudamore.
Since then the PL have introduced an away fans fund for clubs to use how they see fit, and every club in the PL has had to file their plans. It's a start, a small one, but it's still a start.
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I know it's a long time until March, but may be, if there was enough support for it, would anyone favour a 'live' match event at the Keepmoat like they did for the Brentford game?
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All turn up on the day and pay on the gate with 1ps
That will be 360 1ps or 180 1 ps and at end Of the day that loose Change would weigh a ton and be a mare for Leeds U fcuking nited to bank and account.
Great idea but look at the royal mint guidelines on legal tender, now if everybody turned up with it in 100p coins its legal and they have got to accept it, So take it in pound coins but print a copy of the link off just to prove it to them, or you could be really clever with it and work out the max legal in each denomination.....
http://www.royalmint.com/aboutus/policies-and-guidelines/legal-tender-guidelines
Coins are legal tender throughout the United Kingdom for the following amount:
£5 (Crown) - for any amount
£2 - for any amount
£1 - for any amount
50p - for any amount not exceeding £10
25p (Crown) - for any amount not exceeding £10
20p - for any amount not exceeding £10
10p - for any amount not exceeding £5
5p - for any amount not exceeding £5
2p - for any amount not exceeding 20p
1p - for any amount not exceeding 20p
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All turn up on the day and pay on the gate with 1ps
That will be 360 1ps or 180 1 ps and at end Of the day that loose Change would weigh a ton and be a mare for Leeds U fcuking nited to bank and account.
That's funny as f*ck and a cracking idea. If the press caught wind of it even better.
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I know it's a long time until March, but may be, if there was enough support for it, would anyone favour a 'live' match event at the Keepmoat like they did for the Brentford game?
I think we must sell our allocation first before being allowed to stream it at our own stadium, unfortunately.
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I know it's a long time until March, but may be, if there was enough support for it, would anyone favour a 'live' match event at the Keepmoat like they did for the Brentford game?
I think we must sell our allocation first before being allowed to stream it at our own stadium, unfortunately.
But they could play the Player commentary.
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:headbang: Why can't we charge these teams the same price when they come wn to the keepmoat come £18 4 under 11's bloody joke
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:headbang: Why can't we charge these teams the same price when they come wn to the keepmoat come £18 4 under 11's bloody joke
Because then we would have to charge home fans the same?!
Sinking to other clubs disastrous pricing models isn't going to help 'fix' these problems.
I've not been to Elland Road for years, there has always been something I would rather spend £36 on. However, as this will be my local game once it comes round, it will still probably work out cheaper than any other away game. Remains to be seen if that is enough to tempt me, especially now they put away fans in the West Stand which is awful.
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it would be brilliant if every fan boycotted this game, the club should get a big screen on the keepmoat pitch and stream the match, charge a fiver a man could make the club a nice few quid
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All turn up on the day and pay on the gate with 1ps
That will be 360 1ps or 180 1 ps and at end Of the day that loose Change would weigh a ton and be a mare for Leeds U fcuking nited to bank and account.
They won't be letting anyone in for £3.60 or £1.80! ;)
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as this game is fast approaching and there is another thread re this I thought I would bump this.
although I would love to go, as my last visit saw us take home the three points following stockys free kick, and there was 3500 of us there, I refuse to pay what would be over £50 for me and my youngest son to go to this. I said it back in sep and I say the same now, this game should be boycotted by all rovers fans to send a very clear message to leeds that these prices will not be tolerated. even their own fans agree. coupled with the fact that they now shove away fans in the corner of the east stand with a poor view and still see fit to charge top dollar.
its not because its leeds, its because its too damn expensive.
#twentysplenty
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as this game is fast approaching and there is another thread re this I thought I would bump this.
although I would love to go, as my last visit saw us take home the three points following stockys free kick, and there was 3500 of us there, I refuse to pay what would be over £50 for me and my youngest son to go to this. I said it back in sep and I say the same now, this game should be boycotted by all rovers fans to send a very clear message to leeds that these prices will not be tolerated. even their own fans agree. coupled with the fact that they now shove away fans in the corner of the east stand with a poor view and still see fit to charge top dollar.
its not because its leeds, its because its too damn expensive.
#twentysplenty
So if people want to go to it, they should boycott it too?
Do you really think Leeds will care if we take no away fans? They know whoever they play next, their fans will be willing to pay their prices.
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You'd be surprised Mr Frost.
Check out my other response to your post in the thread titled £36.
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You'd be surprised Mr Frost.
Check out my other response to your post in the thread titled £36.
Look how many Barnsley took, and lets compare it to how many we take. That should tell you what you need to know.
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Mr Frost,
You asked the question 'do you think Leeds care how many away fans travel?' My answer is yes they do. Head for head away fans contribute more financially than any other match day attendee, hospitality excluded.
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You'd be surprised Mr Frost.
Check out my other response to your post in the thread titled £36.
Look how many Barnsley took, and lets compare it to how many we take. That should tell you what you need to know.
remind me, why are we comparing ourselves with barnsley fans again? who cares how many they took
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You'd be surprised Mr Frost.
Check out my other response to your post in the thread titled £36.
Look how many Barnsley took, and lets compare it to how many we take. That should tell you what you need to know.
remined me, why are we comparing ourselves with barnsley fans again? who cares how many they took
I've already pointed out the reasons.
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the dingles are blinder than blind. they will continue to be shafted up the ricker by the likes of leeds.
I like to think of us as a more savvy bunch!
its their cup final
we dumped weeds at Wembley. the home of football. we know the difference.
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the dingles are blinder than blind. they will continue to be shafted up the ricker by the likes of leeds.
I like to think of us as a more savvy bunch!
its their cup final
we dumped weeds at Wembley. the home of football. we know the difference.
I just see it as another bandwagon to jump on.
Fans boycotted Wednesday because it was £28
Fans boycotted Huddersfield away because they wanted us to sit down
Now Leeds.
Unless you organise a proper protest at Elland Road on the day of the game, just not going won't make any difference at all.
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And what f**king difference have you made with your constant half arsed bleeting about tickets over the years? Where's your mass initiative that's going to bring in the hoards? I've been waiting a while, it must be pretty special.
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Barnsley are a bigger club than us. They have spent most of their history at a higher level than us. Therefore they have a bigger fan base than us.
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And what f***ing difference have you made with your constant half arsed bleeting about tickets over the years? Where's your mass initiative that's going to bring in the hoards? I've been waiting a while, it must be pretty special.
I've made many suggestions. Obviously your selective reading means you have missed them.
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I'm not convinced it's all to do with price how many we take, I think it's down to the level of support at the club.
I remember very well our first season back in the league however many years ago. 10 is it?? We took 2099 to Oxford, 1800 to Torquay, filled all one side of the ground at Rochdale, took over 5000 to Barnsley for a night game. They were all games played at a lower level than we are at now.
I know they would have been a fair hit cheaper than £36, but do we take 5000 to Barnsley now? No we don't. And it was nowhere near £36 this season
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I'm not convinced it's all to do with price how many we take, I think it's down to the level of support at the club.
I remember very well our first season back in the league however many years ago. 10 is it?? We took 2099 to Oxford, 1800 to Torquay, filled all one side of the ground at Rochdale, took over 5000 to Barnsley for a night game. They were all games played at a lower level than we are at now.
I know they would have been a fair hit cheaper than £36, but do we take 5000 to Barnsley now? No we don't. And it was nowhere near £36 this season
"a fair bit cheaper than £36 ". that's an understatement
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And what f***ing difference have you made with your constant half arsed bleeting about tickets over the years? Where's your mass initiative that's going to bring in the hoards? I've been waiting a while, it must be pretty special.
I've made many suggestions. Obviously your selective reading means you have missed them.
Suggestions? We can all make suggestions, and I'd suggest a few people could think of some for you.
Why don't you actually get off your arse and do something instead? If you can't be arsed then stop going on about f**king tickets.
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And what f***ing difference have you made with your constant half arsed bleeting about tickets over the years? Where's your mass initiative that's going to bring in the hoards? I've been waiting a while, it must be pretty special.
I've made many suggestions. Obviously your selective reading means you have missed them.
Suggestions? We can all make suggestions, and I'd suggest a few people could think of some for you.
Why don't you actually get off your arse and do something instead? If you can't be arsed then stop going on about f***ing tickets.
Because it isn't my job. The club employ people who are in the position to do the things I have suggested - and i've put suggestions to the club and never had a reply. They're the ones with the power to change, not me.
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I'm not convinced it's all to do with price how many we take, I think it's down to the level of support at the club.
I remember very well our first season back in the league however many years ago. 10 is it?? We took 2099 to Oxford, 1800 to Torquay, filled all one side of the ground at Rochdale, took over 5000 to Barnsley for a night game. They were all games played at a lower level than we are at now.
I know they would have been a fair hit cheaper than £36, but do we take 5000 to Barnsley now? No we don't. And it was nowhere near £36 this season
I remember the games. you are talking about the season rovers were back in league 2 (div 3 then). the Barnsley game was about 05/06 and was a novelty game as we had not played them for so long. the same season we took 33 coaches to Wednesday.
prices were about 20 quid for adults and a fiver for kids
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So there's nothing you could do as a fan then Frosty, apart from send a few emails?
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The best thing to do in mass is go and just don't go in the ground,just stand outside.not to far to go and do that.but does need a lot to do it and not just a few.
That would be suicide round that way, plus you would just get moved on by the Fuzz for this reason.
you are wrong. if it was done properly as a peaceful protest against high ticket prices with the police, leeds united, drfc and the leeds council informed, and organised by the supporters club, it would be noticed, and in a big way!
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I actually think we would get leeds fans coming out in support of this also.
despite their reputation, and I know a few, they realise whats happening just as much as we do.
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The best thing to do in mass is go and just don't go in the ground,just stand outside.not to far to go and do that.but does need a lot to do it and not just a few.
That would be suicide round that way, plus you would just get moved on by the Fuzz for this reason.
you are wrong. if it was done properly as a peaceful protest against high ticket prices with the police, leeds united, drfc and the leeds council informed, and organised by the supporters club, it would be noticed, and in a big way!
This is the way to go, and actually something i'd be in agreement with, rather than just spitting the dummy out and refusing to attend.
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again - to do this properly, it would require the support of the supporters club, DRFC the SLO's etc. West Yorks Police and the local council would have to facilitate peaceful protest, its a basic democratic right.
If it was done in con junction with direct liaison with LUFC saying - look there will be x amount of Doncaster rovers supporters on Elland Road who are willing to pay say 20 quid to come in take it or leave it then it boils down to a basic business decision of:
1. do we swallow our pride and take the 20k (based on 1000 protestors) or
2. tell them to piss of.
either way the point has been made. ok point 1 means you miss the match, but you have saved 36 quid.
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Mr Frost,
I've lost count of the amount of times I've agreed to set up a meeting for you with the club. So here's another one, whenever you want it I'll set it up for you.
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Will fans be making this big fuss when it's Ipswich away or will it be because most can't be arsed to travel that far and are making such a fuss just because its Leeds.
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I really don't understand why we qualify for the highest price band anyway.
It's not as if we're a massive club, so they're losing out on income really.
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The best thing to do in mass is go and just don't go in the ground,just stand outside.not to far to go and do that.but does need a lot to do it and not just a few.
That would be suicide round that way, plus you would just get moved on by the Fuzz for this reason.
you are wrong. if it was done properly as a peaceful protest against high ticket prices with the police, leeds united, drfc and the leeds council informed, and organised by the supporters club, it would be noticed, and in a big way!
For your information I've been discussing a form of joint protest at this game for some time with LUST (Leeds supporters trust) as three of their board are also members of the National Council of the FSF. They are not convinced that there is an appetite amongst Leeds fans for something of this nature due to the ongoing ownership issues. I have an invite from the club to also discuss some form of reciprocal pricing but the same applies, the current management are not in a position to make decisions of this nature because they are unsure of who exactly they report to.
I like your enthusiasm for doing something but why not approach the people who can offer the help you need?
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Mr Frost
Will you be accepting SM's offer of a meeting with the club? Seen as they never get back to you regarding your suggestions, this would seem a great opportunity for you to really get across your ideas.
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Y'see, this is why I hate the Leeds games coming around.... so far across the three threads we have:
- It is too expensive, disgusting, we won't be going
- We should arrange a mass protest, no one should go, unless we do something drastic then things will never change
- Taking into account travelling costs, it is more reasonable priced as a day as a whole
- But hang on a second, we want to go and support our team, we don't care it it costs £36
- Now now lets not discourage people to go, I mean, Barnsley took thousands why aren't they fussed about the price
- We are a laughing stock
- The Keepmoat is shite
- Belle Vue was better
- We are stuck in the dark ages
- The backroom staff are a joke
- THEY JUST WON'T LISTEN
- We sold out Belle Vue and the atmosphere was always amazing (LOL)
It is so tiresome and the same old stuff regurgitated all the time.
You know what, next season, we will most certainly play Leeds twice again. I am sticking myself out on a limb here and suggesting yes we will stay up, and no Leeds won't go anywhere. Are we going to have to trawl through this all over again twice next season or are people going to take a step back and realise that in life everyone has a choice and if they chose to do something that another doesn't agree with, so what!
I blame the internet and social media generation, it appears to have brought about this culture of everyone comparing themselves to everyone else because they are scared of what some nobody stranger on a social media banter page will say about our attendances at away games. Who cares if we took less the Barnsley? Laughing stock? Laughing stock amongst who?
People need to put up or shut up with the Keepmoat atmosphere stuff too, all this is NOT unique to the Rovers, it is being said by home fans up and down the country. It seems to be the way football is going, wrongly or rightly. We aren't going to go back to Belle Vue, where, lets be said, the atmosphere was only 'amazing' a handful of times a season.... We need to make do with what we have and all make an active attempt to make it better if we feel that way inclined.
If people put as much effort into DOING as they do moaning about problems on here, we would fill the stadium week in week out and all be bouncing on our feet for 90 minutes every home game.
But that is all a bit too much effort isn't it? Everyone would just prefer to moan about it over the internet because it is so much easier, which may be true, but my god its boring.
But then again some people are not happy unless they have something to be unhappy about and always seeking a negative from any situation.
I much prefer the glass half full variety....
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leeds will be in administration next season.