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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Padge_DRFC on March 11, 2014, 10:39:56 pm
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Confirmed. Leeds away on Rovers site. Is anyone else coming to the game with me?
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I'm going, fancy us to score five or six the way they are going. You wouldn't want to miss that would you.
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I doubt it, not for £36.
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Confirmed. Leeds away on Rovers site. Is anyone else coming to the game with me?
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Barnsley still took plenty. Price didn;t bother their fans.
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I cannot understand the, it is too expensive philosophy. Transport costs are going to be minimal for this game with it being 30 miles down the road. Spend much more going to Yeovil where the tickets were £20 but a lot more for transport. This works out as one of the cheaper days out this season.
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I cannot understand the, it is too expensive philosophy. Transport costs are going to be minimal for this game with it being 30 miles down the road. Spend much more going to Yeovil where the tickets were £20 but a lot more for transport. This works out as one of the cheaper days out this season.
This. Like I said, it didn't put Barnsley fans taking a decent number, same as the price didn't put them off taking thousands to Wednesday while all we did was moan about it.
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Don't forget not everyone lives in or near Doncaster. It is more expensive for me to get to Leeds.
£36 is too much for this fixture, only £4 less than I paid at Wembley. If it was a winner takes all game like Brentford, then maybe. I couldn't afford to come tonight as well as last Saturday, with Forest away being a possibility for me - that match is £25.
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I won't be going. And if folk don't want to pay £36 for a bloody football ticket, then I don't see how anyone can blame them.
It's down to personal choice. I don't want to pay that much for one football match. If others do, then that's fine by me.
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Because £36 is taking the piss, they've got themselves in the financial shit and try to milk away fans to support their club.
If it were £36 at Rovers you'd be playing hell, and not so long ago you were moaning at it being £23
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You can't judge people on what they are prepared to spend. Doesn't make them any more or any less of a fan. I applaud anyone who find the wherewithall to do it, but let's not be looking down on folk who may not be able to justify that sort of spend.
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Don't forget not everyone lives in or near Doncaster. It is more expensive for me to get to Leeds.
£36 is too much for this fixture, only £4 less than I paid at Wembley. If it was a winner takes all game like Brentford, then maybe. I couldn't afford to come tonight as well as last Saturday, with Forest away being a possibility for me - that match is £25.
I live in Oxfordshire, The majority are Donny based and I was showing it as an example. Would the reaction be the same if Rovers did ever get into the Premier League and tickets are £40+ at most grounds?
I think many use the cost as an excuse. It is the only game every time it comes around that people moan about the pricing away.
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Don't forget not everyone lives in or near Doncaster. It is more expensive for me to get to Leeds.
£36 is too much for this fixture, only £4 less than I paid at Wembley. If it was a winner takes all game like Brentford, then maybe. I couldn't afford to come tonight as well as last Saturday, with Forest away being a possibility for me - that match is £25.
I live in Oxfordshire, The majority are Donny based and I was showing it as an example. Would the reaction be the same if Rovers did ever get into the Premier League and tickets are £40+ at most grounds?
I think many use the cost as an excuse. It is the only game every time it comes around that people moan about the pricing away.
People boycotted Wednesday because it was £28.
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Normally I wouldn't go, I've only been to one of the Rovers games at Elland Road. However, given that me & Andy can have a nice little stroll to the game, it probably works out as one of the cheapest games all season for us so no doubt we'll be there.
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Twenty's plenty; £36 is plenty taking the p*ss. I applaud those who are dedicated enough to fork out, but clubs like Leeds need to learn they can't rip fans off forever.
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Hope we still have a fair few there, but looks like it's get on at Donny as a minority then for this fixture. Surrounded by the Donnywhite's attending their 2nd game of the season.
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Twenty's plenty; £36 is plenty taking the p*ss. I applaud those who are dedicated enough to fork out, but clubs like Leeds need to learn they can't rip fans off forever.
How many clubs at this level charge 20 quid?
Like someone has pointed out, if we ever get to the Premiership, I guess our away followings will be pretty much nil.
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£36 quid is steep but £18 for under 15s takes the piss so I will not be going as even though i can afford it , I wont be taken for a ride . Hats of to those who go i hope you enjoy the match and we win but also hats off to those who like me feel the same about being ripped off
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Get yourself off to Elland road then, but don't moan on here about rovers prices again.
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It's players wages that are a bit daft given the effort needed. What came first, the clubs or the players, or the agents?
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Get yourself off to Elland road then, but don't moan on here about rovers prices again.
I don't see anyone moaning about Rovers prices.
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i never have moaned about rovers prices in fact u will find i have applauded them in the past. Look at it this way , for the cost of tickets alne for me and my 4yo boy (who loves an away day) at leeds , we get to watch 4 rovers home games and still have change left over
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Someone compared the high prices at Leeds to the low ones at Yeovil but with higher transport costs. Don't forget there were free buses to Yeovil.
As for the Prem, you would expect higher prices as in theory the quality of football should be better. Also, look at what has been done in the Prem this year, there have been loads of cases of clubs subsidising tickets, putting on free buses etc. Folks would also pay more for the experience of visiting the "new" grounds sometimes, before the novelty wears off.
£36 at Leeds compared to £25 at Forest, it is just too much. Even if I could afford the spare cash I would seriously think twice about going. And if I remember correctly, the big hoo-ha about Wednesday prices was more to do with kids prices than adults.
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My main point was, how it only seems to be our fans that make such a song and dance about it. I've used examples like Barnsley, slightly higher home crowds than us, travel in similar numbers, but don't decide they dont want to travel because the ticket price is costly.
Are they just more passionate supporters, willing to follow their team regardless?
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My main point was, how it only seems to be our fans that make such a song and dance about it. I've used examples like Barnsley, slightly higher home crowds than us, travel in similar numbers, but don't decide they dont want to travel because the ticket price is costly.
Are they just more passionate supporters, willing to follow their team regardless?
I'm not sure it is.
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I don't know Mr Frost.
What I do know, is in recent weeks my 10 game multi ticket I bought in August has run out, I got my ST for next season whilst I could afford it. Now since then my other half is no longer earning, I am struggling to justify £23 for 2 home games in 4 days before an away fixture I would usually go to at £25, before another home game etc...Add the Leeds game and that's over £100 in 3 weeks, and even more if I bring family.
What are Leeds doing that may tempt me to spend my small amount of spare cash at Elland Road rather than at the City Ground, or the KM?
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What are Leeds doing that may tempt me to spend my small amount of spare cash at Elland Road rather than at the City Ground, or the KM?
Leaking goals... ;)
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Nice one Mr Croft..
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I don't know Mr Frost.
What I do know, is in recent weeks my 10 game multi ticket I bought in August has run out, I got my ST for next season whilst I could afford it. Now since then my other half is no longer earning, I am struggling to justify £23 for 2 home games in 4 days before an away fixture I would usually go to at £25, before another home game etc...Add the Leeds game and that's over £100 in 3 weeks, and even more if I bring family.
What are Leeds doing that may tempt me to spend my small amount of spare cash at Elland Road rather than at the City Ground, or the KM?
Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying £36 is value for money to watch a game at this level, the last time we played there we took less than 500, i'm guessing it will be similar number this time. I use Barnsley as an example, being our nearest rivals, a similar sized town, simliar average wage.
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All clubs fans moan about the prices me frost it would be interesting to see how many more fans wud have gone had it been 25 not 36 quid
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Maybe they see them more as rivals than we do
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Nice one Mr Croft..
Seriously though I agree with your post and many others. Whilst we can expect higher prices when were in the PL the point is we're not, and are only visiting a stadium whose facilities are sub-standard at best when compared to the rest of the leagues and isn't worthy of a 50% price increase of what away fans pay at the Keepmoat...
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Maybe they see them more as rivals than we do
I wonder who we see as rivals, as it's a long time since we took a really big following anywhere.
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All clubs fans moan about the prices me frost it would be interesting to see how many more fans wud have gone had it been 25 not 36 quid
If the Leeds tickets were £25 I would be more likely to go, not guaranteed, but much more likely as I could choose between there or Forest or the home game in between. At £36, no way.
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Maybe they see them more as rivals than we do
I wonder who we see as rivals, as it's a long time since we took a really big following anywhere.
Well we sold out the friendly against Rotherham and the game against Scunthorpe.
They're probably our natural rivals, I'd say.
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Mr Frost,
Will you be going?
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Mr Frost,
Will you be going?
Yes.
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Sorry but i remember the 2 cup games we wanted to charge £10 but Master Bates forced us to charge £15 & still wanted us to charge more So Elland Road can b Shoved where the sun don' ir:t shine for me :saywhat:
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£36 is ridiculous to get into the run down sh*thole that is ER, but I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I missed a TLO Donny win against the European champions at their place! I'll be there!
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How many clubs at this level charge 20 quid?
Like someone has pointed out, if we ever get to the Premiership, I guess our away followings will be pretty much nil.
I didn't say that many do. I just said twenty's plenty. And you'll also find that if were ever in the premier league we'd be in the lowest price category for away tickets and would pay similar prices to what we pay in the championship, if not less.
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I think the prices are ridiculous but I'll probably go because i fear missing an away win at Leeds again.
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Twenty's plenty; £36 is plenty taking the p*ss. I applaud those who are dedicated enough to fork out, but clubs like Leeds need to learn they can't rip fans off forever.
How many clubs at this level charge 20 quid?
Like someone has pointed out, if we ever get to the Premiership, I guess our away followings will be pretty much nil.
You see the sad thing is that everybody trying to justify the £36 that Leeds will charge are just prolonging the away fan demise in this country. Clubs love supporters who keep paying those ridiculous prices, it saves them having to do anything about it. Everybody knows that's far too much, including the clubs. The PL and the FL are so concerned that they've both launched projects this season to halt the decline in away fan attendance.
It's nothing to do with loyalty or anybody's commitment to following their team come hell or high water. It's about meeting the demand at the correct price point, and £36 for second tier football in a crumbling old stadium is excessive, no excuses.
And in answer to your question Mr Frost. Let me tell you that there are plenty of clubs that charge twenty pounds or less. Wigan is a good example at £15, Middlesborough at £12, Barnsley slightly more at £23, and good old Donny Rovers at £23 etc etc.
And in the Premiership you have Newcastle, Hull, Swansea, WBA all charging twenty or less, in some cases just £15. Manchester Utd have taken £5 off the price of away tickets for their fans and numerous other clubs have followed suit. Furthermore the penalty of having the away club having to buy tickets on a sale and non-return basis has been ended.
There are plenty of clubs who have recognised the contribution of away fans to any ground and the atmosphere that ensues. Justifying £36 by any club or individual, no matter how close the distance, just reinforces the injustice served up on football supporters and penalises their loyalty. It wouldn't happen in Germany.
PS - the Twenty's Plenty petition is here;
http://www.fsf.org.uk/petitions/20plenty/
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In some respects I am glad I probably can't afford to go anyway, even at £25 (which I would deem acceptable). Takes away any dilemma I would have over paying £36.
After last night's win I would much prefer to go to Forest - at least at their price I am more tempted even if I still may miss out.
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I think it's a lot more of not wanting to give Leeds United my money tbh.
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For me, it's about the principle (something that the Sky TV generation seem to have lost sight of, just pay what you're told and not question the value or the rights and wrongs) - £36 is simply too expensive for a second division football match.
Personally I think that Twenty's too low and Twenty-five is more realistic (but then that wouldn't be a catchy slogan!)
And the argument that it's close so travel costs are low is ridiculous - does that mean that Yeovil should charge Bristol City fans less for the match ticket because they are local?
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Get an under 15 ticket never seen anyone check (assuming they still have automatic turnstile)
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All clubs fans moan about the prices me frost it would be interesting to see how many more fans wud have gone had it been 25 not 36 quid
I would, thats for sure!
I literally can't justify going to Elland Road every week - its just not financially worth it in my opinion!
I consider myself hugely passionate about Rovers, but i wouldn't go to the KMS if it were more than £30 a ticket... there IS a maximum price on my passion, i'm not stupid, nor rich enough to blindly throw as much money as they want at an hour and half of (sort of) entertainment.
Translate it in to real life money, and other items and see if its worth it?
Look at these two options: 8 pints (at say 3.00 a pop), a kebab and chips and a night to remember with your mates: 5 hours entertainment. (plus the chance of a couple more 'opportunities'.) AND money left over
An hour and half in the cold in Leeds, with a potential chance to leave pissed off and miserable.
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[(plus the chance of a couple more 'opportunities'.)
A "couple"more opportunities - where do you go out? ;)
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Get an under 15 ticket never seen anyone check (assuming they still have automatic turnstile)
Wouldn't risk it at Elland Road, I know of Rovers fans who have been kicked out on junior and or concession tickets when they can't prove their age and no opportunity to 'upgrade' either, just a straight ejection so another £36 if you want to get back in.
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Don't forget not everyone lives in or near Doncaster. It is more expensive for me to get to Leeds.
£36 is too much for this fixture, only £4 less than I paid at Wembley. If it was a winner takes all game like Brentford, then maybe. I couldn't afford to come tonight as well as last Saturday, with Forest away being a possibility for me - that match is £25.
I live in Oxfordshire, The majority are Donny based and I was showing it as an example. Would the reaction be the same if Rovers did ever get into the Premier League and tickets are £40+ at most grounds?
I think many use the cost as an excuse. It is the only game every time it comes around that people moan about the pricing away.
People boycotted Wednesday because it was £28.
YES IT WAS 28 QUID - A 43 PERCENT INCREASE ON THE GAME WE PLAYED THEM A COUPLE OF SEASONS PREVIOUS. THE RESULT - 8000 LESS SUPPORTERS THERE.
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Does your caps lock button work?
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I don't know Mr Frost.
What I do know, is in recent weeks my 10 game multi ticket I bought in August has run out, I got my ST for next season whilst I could afford it. Now since then my other half is no longer earning, I am struggling to justify £23 for 2 home games in 4 days before an away fixture I would usually go to at £25, before another home game etc...Add the Leeds game and that's over £100 in 3 weeks, and even more if I bring family.
What are Leeds doing that may tempt me to spend my small amount of spare cash at Elland Road rather than at the City Ground, or the KM?
Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying £36 is value for money to watch a game at this level, the last time we played there we took less than 500, i'm guessing it will be similar number this time. I use Barnsley as an example, being our nearest rivals, a similar sized town, simliar average wage.
MR FROST, I AM GUESSING YOU WERE THERE WHEN WE BEAT THEM 1-0 WHEN STOCK SCORED. YOU WILL RECALL WE TOOK ABOUT 3 AND A HALF THOUSAND THAT DAY, BALLOONS AND ALL, AND WHAT A DAY IT WAS.
IT COST 20 QUID FOR ME AND A FIVER FOR MY LAD. THERE WAS 33000 THERE.
ENOUGH SAID.
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sorry for caps lock, not intentional, not shouting or anything :)
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And in answer to your question Mr Frost. Let me tell you that there are plenty of clubs that charge twenty pounds or less. Wigan is a good example at £15, Middlesborough at £12, Barnsley slightly more at £23, and good old Donny Rovers at £23 etc etc.
I agree with the majority of your post SM but it is worth noting that the standard price for away fans at Middlesboro is £27 this season, our fixtures (among others) was a special promotion.
http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/20131211-middlesbrough-away-tickets-on-sale-1230274.aspx
http://www.leedsunited.com/news/article/140i7vxq93lpg1j2lif0rrpw91/title/boro-away-ticket-info
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And in answer to your question Mr Frost. Let me tell you that there are plenty of clubs that charge twenty pounds or less. Wigan is a good example at £15, Middlesborough at £12, Barnsley slightly more at £23, and good old Donny Rovers at £23 etc etc.
I agree with the majority of your post SM but it is worth noting that the standard price for away fans at Middlesboro is £27 this season, our fixtures (among others) was a special promotion.
http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/20131211-middlesbrough-away-tickets-on-sale-1230274.aspx
http://www.leedsunited.com/news/article/140i7vxq93lpg1j2lif0rrpw91/title/boro-away-ticket-info
So only one of those "plenty of clubs" charge less £20 or less?
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It wasn't an exhaustive list Col. Did you add in the PL clubs I mentioned too? The point is of course that £36 is the exception not the rule.
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I won't be going. Although I am fortunate enough to be able to afford it I wouldn't pay that price to see any second tier team play in a run down stadium. The price of attending football matches is ridiculous and will only continue if folks are daft enough to pay it
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£36 is ridiculous to get into the run down sh*thole that is ER, but I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I missed a TLO Donny win against the European champions at their place! I'll be there!
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Mate, this is why we, as fellow supporters continue to be exploited by the likes of lufc.
Whilst I applaud your commitment. I am also saddened by your disregard to the obvious issue.
DRFC will continue, God speed, into the future.
Their supporters however, may not afford to follow them on their journey.
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Get yourself off to Elland road then, but don't moan on here about rovers prices again.
I don't see anyone moaning about Rovers prices.
You mr Frost consistently moaned about our pricing
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Get yourself off to Elland road then, but don't moan on here about rovers prices again.
I don't see anyone moaning about Rovers prices.
You mr Frost consistently moaned about our pricing
Where?
I think you'll see I applauded this seasons prices.
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I really would love to go to the game, I was there when we won 1-0 and games afterwards but principle has to dictate this time.
I'll be listening to Rovers player and wanting to be there but b*llocks to Leeds United's pricing.
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Tokyo, I know what will do you more good between 8 pints, a kebab and chips or going to watch the Rovers at Elland Road, and it's not 8 pints and a kebab and chips!!!!
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Get yourself off to Elland road then, but don't moan on here about rovers prices again.
I don't see anyone moaning about Rovers prices.
You mr Frost consistently moaned about our pricing
Where?
I think you'll see I applauded this seasons prices.
I've got a long memory.
Last season, the one before, complaining you couldn't afford to go to games.
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Get yourself off to Elland road then, but don't moan on here about rovers prices again.
I don't see anyone moaning about Rovers prices.
You mr Frost consistently moaned about our pricing
Where?
I think you'll see I applauded this seasons prices.
I've got a long memory.
Last season, the one before, complaining you couldn't afford to go to games.
I think you're mistaken. Seeing as I can probably count on one hand the number of games i've missed in that period.
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Do I really have to trawl back through the threads for you ?
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Do I really have to trawl back through the threads for you ?
If you like.
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How about "£25 are they having a laugh" with regard to Hartlepool away last season for a start. Although not quite my point it shows your contradictory positions.
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How about "£25 are they having a laugh" with regard to Hartlepool away last season for a start. Although not quite my point it shows your contradictory positions.
Your point was I complained about our ticket prices, not Hartlepool's.
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And ours were lower and you still complained. I'll keep going shall I.
How about ?
" I think general public interest in football is deminishing as a whole. Look at other clubs, many are reporting decline. So it's no surprise to be honest that we are the same. You'd think our home and away support should be better in terms of numbers when you look at attendances since we regained league status, but we are simply following trend.
Until there is a significant change in cost, I think lower attendances will be the norm, unless you're a big club".
Yet know £36 is ok.
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And ours were lower and you still complained. I'll keep going shall I.
How about ?
" I think general public interest in football is deminishing as a whole. Look at other clubs, many are reporting decline. So it's no surprise to be honest that we are the same. You'd think our home and away support should be better in terms of numbers when you look at attendances since we regained league status, but we are simply following trend.
Until there is a significant change in cost, I think lower attendances will be the norm, unless you're a big club".
Yet know £36 is ok.
Actually if you read my posts, you will see I haven't defended the price of £36. My point was, as a group of fans, we seem to be unwilling to pay what other fans ARE willing to paying, and trying to get an understanding of the mentality behind this.
We actually set good ticket prices for this season, compared to previous years in the Championship, and have still seen our attendances decline, so it actually disproved my theory from before which you highlighted that it is all about cost, because it clearly isn't.
I think it's the general apathy of the Doncaster public.
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Plenty of other clubs fans have protested/boycotted fixtures. We aren't the first.
If memory serves me correctly Cardiff fans turned up at Elland Road yet didn't enter the ground.
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Plenty of other clubs fans have protested/boycotted fixtures. We aren't the first.
If memory serves me correctly Cardiff fans turned up at Elland Road yet didn't enter the ground.
Did Leeds reduce their prices as a result?
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I don't suppose they did but neither did they financially benefit from it.
Another of your quotes, this time regarding Donny prices.
Maybe if the club got their own house in order regarding pricing and marketing, we wouldn't be having continued discussions about how shit our support it.
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I don't suppose they did but neither did they financially benefit from it.
Another of your quotes, this time regarding Donny prices.
Maybe if the club got their own house in order regarding pricing and marketing, we wouldn't be having continued discussions about how shit our support it.
And I believe they did sort out the pricing. Again, i'm still waiting for the one where you said I couldn't afford to go to games which was your original point.
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andysly. our support is not shit.
we have shown, even when times are hard and the club is at a low ebb, that the support is there. we just seem to struggle to galvanise as a group at times.
people have quoted taking 5000 to Barnsley (novelty game after years of not playing them)
similar number to Hillsborough (again novelty game same season)
over 2k to oxford. and similar to torquay (first season back in league 2)
what compounds the issue over recent seasons is ticket prices/feeling of km not being home/novelty factor wearing off/recession/
I spoke to my brother earlier tonight and asked his opinion. for those that don't know him he is and has always been an absolute die hard - even through the conference years. I asked him his honest opinion on where he would like to see rovers and what he enjoys most from following his team.
His answer - "I really miss the days out like Nuneaton, Torquay and Boston."
I asked him if his experience of seeing rovers at derby/Birmingham/leeds/Leicester/qpr were any better.
his answer - its all the same providing you follow your team.
This for me sums up what being a football supporter is all about. Its irrelevant what level your team play at. Success is all well and good - but at what cost.
For that you have to speak to the supporters of Portsmouth - who incidentally had 12000 for a league two match the other day.
For me- well you can keep the championship where players get paid more than brain surgeons and the Prime Minister.
A team full of local lads from Donny of the james husband ilk will do me fine - whatever level they play at
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andysly. our support is not shit.
we have shown, even when times are hard and the club is at a low ebb, that the support is there. we just seem to struggle to galvanise as a group at times.
people have quoted taking 5000 to Barnsley (novelty game after years of not playing them)
similar number to Hillsborough (again novelty game same season)
over 2k to oxford. and similar to torquay (first season back in league 2)
what compounds the issue over recent seasons is ticket prices/feeling of km not being home/novelty factor wearing off/recession/
I spoke to my brother earlier tonight and asked his opinion. for those that don't know him he is and has always been an absolute die hard - even through the conference years. I asked him his honest opinion on where he would like to see rovers and what he enjoys most from following his team.
His answer - "I really miss the days out like Nuneaton, Torquay and Boston."
I asked him if his experience of seeing rovers at derby/Birmingham/leeds/Leicester/qpr were any better.
his answer - its all the same providing you follow your team.
This for me sums up what being a football supporter is all about. Its irrelevant what level your team play at. Success is all well and good - but at what cost.
For that you have to speak to the supporters of Portsmouth - who incidentally had 12000 for a league two match the other day.
For me- well you can keep the championship where players get paid more than brain surgeons and the Prime Minister.
A team full of local lads from Donny of the james husband ilk will do me fine - whatever level they play at
The main thing for me this season is how poor the home attendances have been, even compared to our last season at this level, despite us playing better and ticket prices being cheaper, coupled with it being off the back of a promotion.
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my point exactly mr frost.
perhaps we have some common ground here.
rovers have been better supported at a lower level
does this not tell you something?
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my point exactly mr frost.
perhaps we have some common ground here.
rovers have been better supported at a lower level
does this not tell you something?
For me, its the general apathy towards Doncaster Rovers, there are plenty of people in the town who think of us as a laughing stock.
Couple this with the complete lack of marketing, zero presence in and around the town, countless problems with how the club has been run at a backroom level, the atmosphere, the list goes on.
But everytime something is addressed, it's quickly forgotten about.
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countless problems with how the backroom staff are run? Let me guess, you could fix all the problems with your experience of running similar companies :facepalm:
there is a consensus that the marketing efforts could be improved, I agree, but if you think simply improving awareness around the town will "bring back the masses", you are wrong I'm afraid.
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countless problems with how the backroom staff are run? Let me guess, you could fix all the problems with your experience of running similar companies :facepalm:
there is a consensus that the marketing efforts could be improved, I agree, but if you think simply improving awareness around the town will "bring back the masses", you are wrong I'm afraid.
I've worked in sales and marketing for 14 years. Trust me, i'm not wrong.
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Mr Frost
Will you be accepting SM's offer of a meeting with the club? Seen as they never get back to you regarding your suggestions, this would seem a great opportunity for you to really get across your ideas.
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countless problems with how the backroom staff are run? Let me guess, you could fix all the problems with your experience of running similar companies :facepalm:
there is a consensus that the marketing efforts could be improved, I agree, but if you think simply improving awareness around the town will "bring back the masses", you are wrong I'm afraid.
I've worked in sales and marketing for 14 years. Trust me, i'm not wrong.
I've worked in it a lot longer than you, trust me, you are. The scattergun approach to sports marketing doesn't work.
The offers still there by the way!
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countless problems with how the backroom staff are run? Let me guess, you could fix all the problems with your experience of running similar companies :facepalm:
there is a consensus that the marketing efforts could be improved, I agree, but if you think simply improving awareness around the town will "bring back the masses", you are wrong I'm afraid.
I've worked in sales and marketing for 14 years. Trust me, i'm not wrong.
I've worked in it a lot longer than you, trust me, you are. The scattergun approach to sports marketing doesn't work.
The offers still there by the way!
countless problems with how the backroom staff are run? Let me guess, you could fix all the problems with your experience of running similar companies :facepalm:
there is a consensus that the marketing efforts could be improved, I agree, but if you think simply improving awareness around the town will "bring back the masses", you are wrong I'm afraid.
I've worked in sales and marketing for 14 years. Trust me, i'm not wrong.
I've worked in it a lot longer than you, trust me, you are. The scattergun approach to sports marketing doesn't work.
The offers still there by the way!
Really SM, so what would work? Because it's clear what ever marketing strategy the club currently adopts doesn't work hence lower home attendances compared to our last season at this level. Unless the club is only concerned about yields and not people through the gate.
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let's not pretend there hasn't been a double-global recession then shall we, and still compare our attendances with when the Keepmoat first opened, or better yet let's compare against the season we got promoted via the play-offs!
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If you actually read what I wrote I said I'm comparing them against our last season at this level. There has been no recession in that time. Ticket prices are also lower and attendances have fallen despite a promotion.
Come on then Mr know it all, tell me why?
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Mr Frost, compared to other clubs we are doing ok, in fact more than ok.
There is a general trend in the FL for lower attendances and this has been ongoing for a number of years. I attended an FL seminar a couple of seasons ago and some of the stats they had were shocking.
We could show you the stats from DRFC, the ones that show how their marketing does pay off and how the scattergun approach has never been cost effective.
But here's another offer. You put your thoughts down on paper and I'll make sure that each and every point gets an answer. How's that?
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I'd love to see your 4 page email MrFrost.
I do some work with MOSAIC around customer segmentation so anything that could help me with that would be really valuable.
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Mr Frost, compared to other clubs we are doing ok, in fact more than ok.
There is a general trend in the FL for lower attendances and this has been ongoing for a number of years. I attended an FL seminar a couple of seasons ago and some of the stats they had were shocking.
We could show you the stats from DRFC, the ones that show how their marketing does pay off and how the scattergun approach has never been cost effective.
But here's another offer. You put your thoughts down on paper and I'll make sure that each and every point gets an answer. How's that?
No problem
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andysly. our support is not shit.
we have shown, even when times are hard and the club is at a low ebb, that the support is there. we just seem to struggle to galvanise as a group at times.
people have quoted taking 5000 to Barnsley (novelty game after years of not playing them)
similar number to Hillsborough (again novelty game same season)
over 2k to oxford. and similar to torquay (first season back in league 2)
what compounds the issue over recent seasons is ticket prices/feeling of km not being home/novelty factor wearing off/recession/
I spoke to my brother earlier tonight and asked his opinion. for those that don't know him he is and has always been an absolute die hard - even through the conference years. I asked him his honest opinion on where he would like to see rovers and what he enjoys most from following his team.
His answer - "I really miss the days out like Nuneaton, Torquay and Boston."
I asked him if his experience of seeing rovers at derby/Birmingham/leeds/Leicester/qpr were any better.
his answer - its all the same providing you follow your team.
This for me sums up what being a football supporter is all about. Its irrelevant what level your team play at. Success is all well and good - but at what cost.
For that you have to speak to the supporters of Portsmouth - who incidentally had 12000 for a league two match the other day.
For me- well you can keep the championship where players get paid more than brain surgeons and the Prime Minister.
A team full of local lads from Donny of the james husband ilk will do me fine - whatever level they play at
At no time ever have I said our support is shit. I think you may have misread one of the Mr Frost quotes I used.
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I have followed this club for over 35 years and it constantly galls me how some can criticise DRFC.
We have a Club, Staff , league status and Ground to be proud of, we field international footballers or even leave them on the bench, yet nothing suits some. Maybe the attendances are disappointing, though I'd argue the directors are more disappointed, it's an uphill battle to regain lost fans, and there are many factors which we are all aware of.
As SM stated nearly all clubs are suffering declining gates, away attendance everywhere is falling, we are no different and in fact doing a little better than most.
The negativity with nothing constructive behind it only serves to produce further apathy.
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I live in Leeds so transport costs are minimal, i'm still not going out of pure principal... I'm not paying £36 for a championship game, love for the club doesn't come in to it at that price. It takes the piss.
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Theirs 6 of us not going out of principal we're not paying £36 for championship football simple as that