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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: IC1967 on April 04, 2014, 10:49:05 am
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New car sales hit 10 year high.
House prices rising.
Retail sales up 1.7% rise in February.
Is there no end to the good news for the Tories? Confidence is flooding back to the consumer and business. Labour's electoral chances are diminishing rapidly by the day. What a relief.
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When you praise the Conservatives, could you please remember to include the Liberal Democrats as well IC1967. They are a team.
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New car sales hit 10 year high.
House prices rising.
Retail sales up 1.7% rise in February.
Is there no end to the good news for the Tories? Confidence is flooding back to the consumer and business. Labour's electoral chances are diminishing rapidly by the day. What a relief.
House prices rising?
They might be in the more affluent areas of the Country, but they're not around here, i've just sold a house fro £13k less than the valution, the buyers first offer was £25k lower than the valuation. House prices are stagnant around here!
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I wish I'd known. I'd have offered you £12.5k less than the valuation.
You've slipped up there. I think you may have been had. Doncaster is the metropolitan district with the biggest annual house price increase in the country!
ttp://www.thestar.co.uk/news/business/house-prices-are-on-the-up-in-doncaster-1-6200451
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When you praise the Conservatives, could you please remember to include the Liberal Democrats as well IC1967. They are a team.
I think you'll find it is the LibDems that have been holding things back. The Tories on their own (if they'd had a majority) could have got us back on track much faster.
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I wish I'd known. I'd have offered you £12.5k less than the valuation.
You've slipped up there. I think you may have been had. Doncaster is the metropolitan district with the biggest annual house price increase in the country!
ttp://www.thestar.co.uk/news/business/house-prices-are-on-the-up-in-doncaster-1-6200451
It's a myth Mick, ask estate agents that sell the houses, they'll tell you, there's no movement what so ever on prices in Doncaster
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he's talking b*llocks again. just ignore him.
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he's talking b*llocks again. just ignore him.
Like what you're doing. Here is the evidence to back up the 'b*llocks' I'm talking.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26880945
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26875279
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26849833
Where is your evidence?
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I wish I'd known. I'd have offered you £12.5k less than the valuation.
You've slipped up there. I think you may have been had. Doncaster is the metropolitan district with the biggest annual house price increase in the country!
ttp://www.thestar.co.uk/news/business/house-prices-are-on-the-up-in-doncaster-1-6200451
It's a myth Mick, ask estate agents that sell the houses, they'll tell you, there's no movement what so ever on prices in Doncaster
That's rubbish, it was on look north recently, house prices ARE rising. And no where as rapidly as doncaster in the Yorkshire area.
As far as the house you sold, it's only worth as much as someone wants to pay. You say you sold it for 13k less than the valuation, who's valuation?
Also, why did you sell it for less than the 'valuation'?
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he's talking b*llocks again. just ignore him.
No he's not, it's very true.
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House prices rising.
Any other thread and you're telling us about the inevitable and totally unavoidable deflation. Make your mind up.
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Its a buyers market you can expect to get %15 under valuation
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Bbc news reported not that long ago that London house prices were far out performing the rest of the country with the average at about £350k
That to me is just stupid and unsustainable and is not something you would find up north
That said, you can't get a mortgage without a deposit any more (which I do think is right) but even a 5% deposit on say a dingy 3bed house (if you have children) is £10k when you take fees into account. If you have a child at nursery, work for the government on an average wage and have to pay rent how do you save for a house deposit?
I am more of a conservative than labour because after working in private then public sector it was definitely a jobs for the boys market in the public sector which just spent, spent, sent when labour were in power
However with the conservatives it is privatise everything full stop. I don't agree with that, it should be a healthy mix, plus jobs for the boys still happens
In addition to all of the above, it's very much an employers market, to try and get the job you want and know you can do is met with very very tough competition....... Just ask Aldi
The solution to all of the above?????????????????
Lib dems.............it's clear they are yes boys and just not strong enough, we'd be over powered before you could say, damn I've shat myself again
BNP???? Bunch of right wing thugs and racist buffoons without a brain cell between them
UKIP??????? Not that far removed from the BNP and quite racist as well......... Not really my cup of tea if I'm hones
Overall decision, do what ever you can to leave this country because it's f........ked or bury you head and just look after yourself and family and forget everyone else
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Any other thread and you're telling us about the inevitable and totally unavoidable deflation. Make your mind up.
You've already had one battering recently so I'm going to let you off this time.
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Labour's electoral chances are diminishing rapidly by the day. What a relief.
Never one to let facts get in the way of opinions, eh Mick?
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/8701#comments
How's that prediction that Labour would be on 26% in the polls by May looking? Going the same way as your prediction that we'd get relegated last year because our possession efficiency was shit?
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You're another one that's recently had a battering off me so I'm going to let you off as well. All I ask is that you try and stop yourself from going off topic. It's something you seem to be doing more and more these days.
If you've nothing useful to add might I suggest you just read the thread instead. You might learn something.
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I did read the thread Mick. I read something you said in the very first post.
It was b*llocks.
I responded to it.
You ignored the response.
How many times have we walked round this block?
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Tell these people that the economy is picking up and the new car industry booming.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/mar/25/honda-automotive-industry
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Billy. You are imagining things again. You have not responded to the thread.
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New car sales hit 10 year high.
House prices rising.
Retail sales up 1.7% rise in February.
Is there no end to the good news for the Tories? Confidence is flooding back to the consumer and business. Labour's electoral chances are diminishing rapidly by the day. What a relief.
As someone who works in the motor trade I can assure you that new car sales are not good. Maunfacturers pressuring dealers into pre-reg exercises to artficially inflate the numbers is a far more likely explanation.
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You may be struggling but that does not translate to the rest of the car industry. It is a fact that a lot more cars are being sold and pre registering is only a very small part of the overall picture and most definitely not the reason for the huge upturn.
Let's give credit where credit is due. We'll done Dave and George.
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I live in the shadow of the Nissan plant in Washington. It's currently at full pelt, three shifts and they can't knock out Jukes and Qashqai's quick enough but then the car industry usually seems to prosper under Tory governments.
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You may be struggling but that does not translate to the rest of the car industry. It is a fact that a lot more cars are being sold and pre registering is only a very small part of the overall picture and most definitely not the reason for the huge upturn.
Let's give credit where credit is due. We'll done Dave and George.
You appear to have missed my post, shall I post it again? I belive that Honda may know slightly more about the UK car industry than you do.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/mar/25/honda-automotive-industry
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You pick one manufacturer that is struggling and then equate that to the whole industry despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
How very simplistic and totally irrational.
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You may be struggling but that does not translate to the rest of the car industry. It is a fact that a lot more cars are being sold and pre registering is only a very small part of the overall picture and most definitely not the reason for the huge upturn.
Let's give credit where credit is due. We'll done Dave and George.
You appear to have missed my post, shall I post it again? I belive that Honda may know slightly more about the UK car industry than you do.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/mar/25/honda-automotive-industry
Honda to lose 340 jobs, Nissan create 5200
http://www.thejournal.co.uk/news/north-east-news/5200-jobs-predicted-sunderland-gets-6831022
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Any other thread and you're telling us about the inevitable and totally unavoidable deflation. Make your mind up.
You've already had one battering recently so I'm going to let you off this time.
How about 'letting me off' after you've decided whether to tell us prices are going up or down?
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Prices are going down.
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Prices are going down.
House prices rising.
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Your point is? I'll try and work it out even though it makes no sense whatsoever. You seem to be saying that I have contradicted myself. You seem to be implying that because house prices are rising that prices can't therefore be going down. How illogical.
Let me explain. House prices are just one part of the economy. House prices rising is inflationary and will put pressure on prices generally rising. However it is perfectly feasible for the rest of the economy to still bring prices down overall as the effect of house prices on its own is not enough to offset this. Get it?
Consider yourself to have been battered again.
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Mick
I suspect Glyn was puzzled by the antithetical beliefs that you hold, whereby on the one hand you claim that we are spiralling into deflation, whereas on the other, you claim that the economy is powering ahead. It has to be one or the other. It can't be both.
So I understand and share Glyn's bemusement.
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So I understand and share Glyn's bemusement.
I thought you might. The economy is powering ahead. This is a fact backed up by evidence.
Deflation is on its way. Just look at the Eurozone. Just look at our falling inflation despite the BoE's best efforts to inflate the debt away. Just look at our and Europe's aging populations.
Now to the conundrum that you don't seem to be able to get your head around. It is perfectly possible for the economy to power ahead for say maybe 2 years and then for deflation to become a reality. Therefore both statements are true. Duh.
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I thought you would Mick.
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Ah! Got it!
That thing about deflation is one of your predictions Mick. One of the things that you say will happen in the future. And you make this prediction because you have studied the issue and you know what you are talking about.
Have I got it right now?
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You are so thick at times. You try sarcasm and you only make yourself look even dafter than you did before.
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I'm confused. Does that answer mean it IS one of your predictions or it ISN'T?
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Haha. You are so predictable. You've nothing to offer the debate so you vacillate like a twisty turny pedantic silly Billy. Everyone on this forum knows I'm brilliant at predicting the future. Just look what happened in the Grand National yesterday.
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No Mick. I'm not being pedantic. I'm just trying to decide whether to make my future financial decisions on your predictions.
Aye, you got lucky on the nags. Well done. I congratulate you on your single-handed effort to re-build our economy.
But, see, on bigger issues, your prediction record...Well it's shite isn't it?
1) Two years ago you were predicting hyper inflation. Then you found some astonishing information (actually, an article by Harry Dent that you copied and pasted verbatim) which changed your opinion 180 degrees on that one.
2)18 months ago, you were telling us that Saunders would get us relegated because our possession efficiency was poor. When that one made you look a tit, you vanished for 3 months before coming back with a new identity.
3) 6 months ago you were firmly predicting that Labour would hit 26% in the polls by May. When prompted to discuss this claim, you go into your cowardly tortoise mode. (PS. Labour are on 39% in this morning's poll.)
So, see me? I reckon I'll ignore your witterings on deflation.
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It might be an idea to ignore him on everything. There are no winners in these "debates".
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I'm bored. It passes the time of day.
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It might be an idea to ignore him on everything. There are no winners in these "debates".
I'll have you know I've battered him in every single debate I've ever had with him. You'd think he would learn his lesson wouldn't you.
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Aye, you got lucky on the nags.
Lucky! A 25/1 winner! That was pure skill. You obviously didn't take the advice.
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Two years ago you were predicting hyper inflation. Then you found some astonishing information (actually, an article by Harry Dent that you copied and pasted verbatim) which changed your opinion 180 degrees on that one.
I haven't been posting for 2 years! Anyway whoever did do that that post I admire them for changing their mind once they came across evidence that they were unaware of before. You would do well to take a leaf out of their book. No matter how many times I prove you wrong you never change your mind.
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18 months ago, you were telling us that Saunders would get us relegated because our possession efficiency was poor.
I think you're confusing me with someone else. Anyway I think what happened was that Saunders read that post and realised the error of his ways. I think you'll find that our possession efficiency improved after that post and the rest is history as they say. Good on Saunders for changing his mind (unlike some others around here I could mention).
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6 months ago you were firmly predicting that Labour would hit 26% in the polls by May.
It's still only April! I'd wait until May before I started crowing if I were you. Question. Did I say May 2014 or May 2015? Or did I indeed give you a year?
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I'm boring. It passes the time of day.
At last, something we can agree on.
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Dum de dum
http://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=242903.msg397551#msg397551
I'd have had a job on taking your advice on the National. I was at 40,000 feet on the way back from nailing a £200k contract in Poland.
And on the subject of your prediction on the National, it would have been a lot more impressive if you hadn't edited your post within 5 minutes of the end of the race.
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Like I said it's still only April!
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I was at 40,000 feet on the way back from nailing a £200k contract in Poland.
Good for you. At least we share an entrepreneurial streak despite our political differences.
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Thing is, Mick's problem is that he believes that inflation is a purely about prices rising or falling. Just like anyone else who doesn't understand economics. Prices rising and falling are an effect of it and how it's generally measured, but it isn't what inflation is at all.
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It is perfectly possible for the economy to power ahead for say maybe 2 years and then for deflation to become a reality. Therefore both statements are true. Duh.
I remember you promising us that deflation was inevitable, unstoppable and will arrive by July 2014.
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Another one jumping the gun. May I remind you it's still only April!
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I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.
See how they run like pigs from a gun, see how they fly.
I'm crying.
Sitting on a cornflake, waiting for the van to come.
Corporation tee-shirt, stupid bloody tuesday.
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So we expect grovelling apologies in May and July then.
Or, more likely, edits to previous posts 5 minutes after May and July have finished, eh Mick?
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I am not afraid of apologising if it is warranted. Getting a prediction wrong is hardly grounds for an apology (if indeed I am proved to be wrong). You seem to have a very low threshold for demanding a grovelling apology. If you're not careful nobody on the forum will dare to make any future predictions for fear of having you on their back demanding a grovelling apology if they don't get it right.
I on the other hand hold no such fears. I will continue to make accurate predictions. I am not for being bullied.
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So you won't edit your post 5 minutes after the fact then?
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I am not afraid of apologising if it is warranted. Getting a prediction wrong is hardly grounds for an apology (if indeed I am proved to be wrong).
It wasn't a prediction, it was a guarantee.
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If you can prove that I guaranteed deflation by July 2014 and it doesn't happen I will quite happily admit I was wrong. Like Billy I think your threshold for demanding a grovelling apology is very low.
Will that do you?
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Been editing posts again Mick? It wouldn't be the first time, would it?
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I'm not saying Mr Wigley is making it up I'm just asking for proof. If you type 'guarantee deflation' into the search box this is what you get:
If you can prove that I guaranteed deflation by July 2014 and it doesn't happen I will quite happily admit I was wrong. Like Billy I think your threshold for demanding a grovelling apology is very low.
Will that do you?
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Mick
I can think of several things that you have posted, that wouldn't come up if you put them into the search facility.
But you still posted them. And then you edited/deleted them after you'd made yourself look like a dick.
And you think that no-one has a record of what you originally posted.
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I have not edited or removed any posts about deflation. I am happy for anyone who has a record of my posts on deflation to prove me wrong because they won't be able to. I feel you should then offer an abject apology as you sir are impugning my honour which is far more serious than getting a prediction wrong.
Seriously, you don't copy all my posts just in case you think I might edit some of them do you?
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Mick. I don't need to copy your posts. Someone else does it for me...
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Haha. How very sad.
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Mick you silly boy. Websites like this automatically log every activity and record changes. You think that modifying a post means that your original prognostications are erased? How touchingly naive.
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BST is right again
I know this for a fact because if I spot an error in my spelling (such as Lucan Niell) I JUST HAVE to alter it. That's why 50% of my posts have the text "Last Edit at etc etc"
And that's why yours can be seen in exactly the same way ...e.g. look at Clegg v Farage and there are 2 posts of yours on front page showing "edits". Like me you may have found a way to improve them but who knows
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I wonder if there is a plugin for this forum that allows users to see previous edits? That way we'd be able to see which posts have had simple spelling corrections and which have been edited wholesale.
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I have not edited or removed any posts about deflation. I am happy for anyone who has a record of my posts on deflation to prove me wrong because they won't be able to. I feel you should then offer an abject apology as you sir are impugning my honour which is far more serious than getting a prediction wrong.
Seriously, you don't copy all my posts just in case you think I might edit some of them do you?
There's a fair few in this thread from one of your previous incarnations
http://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=235744.0
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Of course I edit posts. For example quite often my keyboard will not register the capital for I. If I see a post i've done I will go back and edit it to make the 'i've' I've.
Silly Billy is on about something completely different. So am I. For example he is saying (or Mr Wigley) that I guaranteed deflation. I can't ever remember saying so and have asked them to prove it. Silly Billy is saying that he probably can't because I'll go back and edit the phrase. I'm saying I've done no such thing. If the phrase can be found there will be a date for any editing. I guarantee that it will only have been edited at the time it was done and only if there was a spelling mistake or such like. There will definitely not be a recent amendment.
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So are you saying that after the end of the National, you merely edited your post to correct a spelling mistake? Is that what you are saying?
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Stop changing the subject. I have been accused of changing a statement where I guaranteed deflation by July 2014. The inference being that after Mr Wigley made this claim that I would go back and edit such comment so it could not be found. I don't know if I did make this statement and have no reason to impugn Mr Wigley's honour so have asked him to produce the evidence. Evidence Billy, something that you are always so keen on.
Silly Billy then joins the fray to back up his leftie friend Mr Wigley saying that if the statement couldn't be found it would be because I had gone back and edited it. I have stated that I have done no such thing. In any case this can be proved because I will guarantee 100% that no statements about deflation that I have made will have been altered after Mr Wigley made the claim. There will be a record of the date and time that any 'deflation' statements were amended. I have even stated that I will admit I was wrong if such statement can be proved. Silly Billy and Mr Wigley want a grovelling apology instead. A bit over the top if you don't mind me saying.
Now, if this statement can't be found, then I feel I deserve an abject apology (that will be immediately accepted) because my honour has been impugned in the most grievous manner. That is all.
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Was that a "yes" or a "no" to my simple question Mick?
See, cos the obfuscation makes it look like you didn't actually predict the winner of the National in advance. You just edited your post after the fact.
And I'm sure you REALLY don't want people to think that about you, do you?
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I couldn't care less what people think about me. I'd have thought that should have been obvious by now. Like I say, you'd be better off trying to find this statement you and Mr Wigley are so certain I made. Shouldn't be too hard. I suspect you and your minions have done their level best to find it but can't so you then use your usual diversionary tactic of changing the subject.
Come on man. Where's your evidence!
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Right I feel I've given you and Mr Wigley more than enough time to find the statement where I 'guaranteed' deflation by July 2014. I've used my amazing powers of recall and can categorically state that I never guaranteed deflation by July 2014. I now demand an abject apology. My reputation has been dragged through the mud and it is the least I should expect. I promise the apology (as long as it is abject) will be accepted immediately and no grudges will be held (by me at least).
So man up and get on with it!
Footnote: If a statement can be found where I 'guaranteed' deflation by July 2014 I will run naked around the Rovers pitch before the start of the next home game. This would be a great treat for the ladies but unfortunately you are all going to be disappointed.
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That will knock a few thousand off that attendance
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Footnote: If a statement can be found where I 'guaranteed' deflation by July 2014 I will run naked around the Rovers pitch before the start of the next home game.
You'd have to actually go to a Rovers game for that to happen.
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Mick me old spadger. I'm quite happy to accept that you didn't "guarantee" deflation by July 17 2014. You only predicted it. And you'll also note that I didn't accuse you of editing anything on that score. I did accuse you of editing and deleting other things when you've been shown to be wrong. And I asked you directly why you had edited that Grand National prediction 5 minutes after the end of the race, then claimed to have won a couple of grand.
Really, really strange that you got your knickers in a twist over some prediction about deflation from 15 months ago, but you totally ignore a comment about whether you were in Walter Mitty mode just this Saturday.
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Let me get this right..... I have been up in arms with myself all weekend as i put a £5 each way on micks tips, thinking i had messed up, when in actual fact the post has been edited?
Very sad if true.
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Let me get this right..... I have been up in arms with myself all weekend as i put a £5 each way on micks tips, thinking i had messed up, when in actual fact the post has been edited?
Very sad if true.
Aye, the very least Mick should do is reimburse you for the wrong information he gave out, and then he does the old Tory trick of trying to cover his tracks, how can anyone trust what he posts now?
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What were his original tips?
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Battle Group, Big Shu, Mountainous, Monbeg Dude, Hawkes Point.
Seems he edited his post after substituting Hawkes Point with the winning horse.
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What a bizarre thing to do. Bordering on a personality disorder.
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Battle Group, Big Shu, Mountainous, Monbeg Dude, Hawkes Point.
Seems he edited his post after substituting Hawkes Point with the winning horse.
An even bigger giveaway is that he miraculously gave the winner's starting price, and not the odds on it at the time of the original post..!
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Its just very sad. Im not bothered about losing £40 on his tips, (i actually made a profit on the race as my horse finished 2nd) its just the fact he edits his post, then makes out hes quids in! He just cant admit hes wrong.
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I'm quite happy to accept that you didn't "guarantee" deflation by July 17 2014. You only predicted it. And you'll also note that I didn't accuse you of editing anything on that score.
If that's your best effort at an apology then I wouldn't bother. I'll just have to hope Mr Wigley is more amenable seeing as it was him that made the original false accusation.
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Back on topic. The International Monetary Fund (IMF) says the UK economy will be the fastest-growing in the G7 this year.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26935148
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I'm quite happy to accept that you didn't "guarantee" deflation by July 17 2014. You only predicted it. And you'll also note that I didn't accuse you of editing anything on that score.
If that's your best effort at an apology then I wouldn't bother. I'll just have to hope Mr Wigley is more amenable seeing as it was him that made the original false accusation.
I'm as amenable as you are in apologising for editing your Grand National post.
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Another poor effort. Some people just don't like admitting they are ever wrong.
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Another poor effort. Some people just don't like admitting they are ever wrong.
Oh, sweet irony.
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Give you your due Mick. You've got some balls showing your face in here after acting like such a dick over the weekend.
Strange case.
I see your lads struggled again tonight anyway.
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Stop changing the subject. My lads are safe. I hope Rovers manage the same feat.
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I wonder whether a gambling man could tell us whether it's worth having a bet on the relegation outcome.
Anyone know a trustworthy tipster? Anyone?
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I see you are employing your usual tactic. Namely, constantly changing the subject because you are not happy that the economy is powering ahead because you know Labour are getting less likely to form the next government as each day passes.
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More evidence. UK goods trade deficit narrows to £9.1bn in February.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26950963
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Mick
After Saturday's farrago, I'm actually rather concerned for your state of mind. I know that taking a position and defending it in the teeth of all logic is what you've been doing on here for three years or so. But I didn't realise that you were so far into Walter Mitty mode that you'd do what you did on Saturday. And then go into denial about it afterwards.
So, if it's all the same to you, I'm going to pass on the ineffable pleasure of crossing swords with you.
And I suggest you get some help.
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Stop changing the subject!
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I'm starting to think Mick has an undiagnosed mental illness.
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Stop changing the subject!
He might change the subject, but at least it's not edited and his credibility is intact
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Stop changing the subject!
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There is no problem with my credibility. I have a loyal band of followers (the silent majority) who know I am always right on everything.
The reaction to what I did on the Grand National is laughable (Prez excepted). With hindsight I would not have done what I did if I'd known than someone like Prez would have been adversely affected.
The vast majority of readers of this forum don't need telling why I did what I did but for the few of you that just love to have a go at me for any reason at all no matter how spurious the reason here is an explanation.
I changed the selections straight after the race just for a laugh. I fully expected to be found out immediately and was amazed when it took so long. Does anybody with half a brain seriously think that I did it fully expecting not to get caught? Get a grip.
Do you seriously think that my selections would not have been checked to have a go at me if none of them delivered the goods? There are many on here that would have jumped at the chance so I thought I'd have a bit of fun with them. That is all there is to it.
Those of you that have got your knickers in a twist need to get a sense of humour. A charisma by pass reversal operation might also be in order for a few of you.
Like I say, the last thought on my mind was what happened to Prez. For that I am deeply sorry and I should have apologised to him sooner.
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What's 30% in German Mick?
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Stop changing the subject!
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So much for answering everything you've been asked, eh.
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I'll repeat it again as some of you seem to have great difficulty remembering what I've said before. You obviously weren't breast fed like what I was. I will answer anything that is thrown at me as long as it is not silly. Billy is being very silly yet again.