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Title: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on May 03, 2014, 02:42:31 pm
PD was hired with one objective, keep Rovers in the Championship this season. Can the Board renew his contract given he failed in his objective? I think not. But who should replace him? My own view is to go for someone like Justin Edinburgh, an ambitious young manager, who has a better reading of the game than Dickov, and who is not tactically naïve.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Bristol Red Rover on May 03, 2014, 02:51:53 pm
Lee Clark kept a club up, maybe him ;)
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: CrippyCooke on May 03, 2014, 02:52:58 pm
Absolutely ridiculous. Grow a pair of b*llocks of accept relegation with dignity.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: hoolahoop on May 03, 2014, 02:56:02 pm
I'm f**ked off enough without reading this garbage. Come on fellas please grow up, someone had to go down and we went down fighting despite an horrific run. All managers are signed up for success unfortunately very few of the 92 clubs can be successful......sack most of them ?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: DonnyRed1992 on May 03, 2014, 02:57:18 pm
So replace Dickov with another unproven manager?

There's a big gulf between League 1 and League 2 and even a bigger gulf between League 1 and the Championship which is were we should be aiming to get back in again

We need to get rid of the 'Throwing the toys out of the pram' attitude and take it on the chin.

Let's give Dickov a pre-season and see what he can come up with
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Steve DRFC on May 03, 2014, 03:03:26 pm
How do you know Justin Edinburgh has a "better reading of the game" than Dickov ......?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on May 03, 2014, 03:06:16 pm
Chris Powell of he wants it
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: CrippyCooke on May 03, 2014, 03:08:16 pm
Chris Powell of he wants it

Charlton were bottom when he left. I am missing your logic.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: pib on May 03, 2014, 03:11:02 pm
Chris Powell of he wants it

Charlton were bottom when he left. I am missing your logic.

They weren't. They were 22nd, and one point behind 4th bottom.

So are you writing off his managerial capabilities based on one point?   :chair:
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on May 03, 2014, 03:17:50 pm
He got them promoted as champions from league 1 and kept Charlton up for 1 season before he got sacked
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: DRFC17 on May 03, 2014, 03:18:38 pm
Chris Powell of he wants it

Charlton were bottom when he left. I am missing your logic.

They weren't. They were 22nd, and one point behind 4th bottom.

So are you writing off his managerial capabilities based on one point?   :chair:

Also had loads of games in hand.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: CrippyCooke on May 03, 2014, 03:23:48 pm
He got them promoted as champions from league 1 and kept Charlton up for 1 season before he got sacked

Something which Dickov hasn't had the opportunity to do. He's done enough this season to earn a chance in League One with us.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: DonnyOsmond on May 03, 2014, 03:29:49 pm
He got them promoted as champions from league 1 and kept Charlton up for 1 season before he got sacked

Something which Dickov hasn't had the opportunity to do. He's done enough this season to earn a chance in League One with us.

Oh yeah because he achieved the target set to him of keeping us up, didn't he?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Canadian Rover on May 03, 2014, 03:30:42 pm
First post in months:

Replace Paul Dickov (who seemed content to lose away to Leicester) with a guy who is out of work, has experience in getting promotion from Legue One, has worked on a budget and survived in the Championship and plays a fantastic style of football:

Sean O'Driscoll should be the next manager of Doncaster Rovers
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Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: aidanstu on May 03, 2014, 03:33:14 pm
He got them promoted as champions from league 1 and kept Charlton up for 1 season before he got sacked

Something which Dickov hasn't had the opportunity to do. He's done enough this season to earn a chance in League One with us.

Oh yeah because he achieved the target set to him of keeping us up, didn't he?

Haha which board, regardless of their expectations, would set a manager a target of take us down!! and how do you know that was the remit given to him in any event?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: CrippyCooke on May 03, 2014, 03:33:41 pm
He got them promoted as champions from league 1 and kept Charlton up for 1 season before he got sacked

Something which Dickov hasn't had the opportunity to do. He's done enough this season to earn a chance in League One with us.

Oh yeah because he achieved the target set to him of keeping us up, didn't he?

Survival was a target. Not an ultimatum.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: hoolahoop on May 03, 2014, 03:34:56 pm
He got them promoted as champions from league 1 and kept Charlton up for 1 season before he got sacked

Something which Dickov hasn't had the opportunity to do. He's done enough this season to earn a chance in League One with us.

Exactly why Paul Dickov should be given the chance to build his own team with the youngsters we have on our books.
Then and only then can we come back the stronger for another tilt in the Championship. RTID
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Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on May 03, 2014, 03:35:38 pm
Russ wilcox for me. Donny boy and done well at scunny.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: hoolahoop on May 03, 2014, 03:37:02 pm
First post in months:

Replace Paul Dickov (who seemed content to lose away to Leicester) with a guy who is out of work, has experience in getting promotion from Legue One, has worked on a budget and survived in the Championship and plays a fantastic style of football:

Sean O'Driscoll should be the next manager of Doncaster Rovers
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I can't get my breath............are you for real ???
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: DonnyRed1992 on May 03, 2014, 03:38:35 pm
First post in months:

Replace Paul Dickov (who seemed content to lose away to Leicester) with a guy who is out of work, has experience in getting promotion from Legue One, has worked on a budget and survived in the Championship and plays a fantastic style of football:

Sean O'Driscoll should be the next manager of Doncaster Rovers
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Because re-appointing managers that you've sacked works so well......
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: aidanstu on May 03, 2014, 03:39:48 pm
Russ wilcox for me. Donny boy and done well at scunny.

Not a bad shout, if Dickov is replaced, but I can't see him leaving  Scunny; not for us anyway.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: bedale rover on May 03, 2014, 04:12:24 pm
We already have the ready made replacement in Brian Horton
Been there done it
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: wilts rover on May 03, 2014, 04:29:48 pm
We already have the ready made replacement in Brian Horton
Been there done it

If Dickov isn't good enough then the bloke who has been advising him certainly isnt!!
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: StocksArmy on May 03, 2014, 04:34:40 pm
F**k ***
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: idler on May 03, 2014, 04:41:06 pm
We already have the ready made replacement in Brian Horton
Been there done it
I don't follow this at all.
He has been Dickov's assistant/advisor so on is own will turn things around.
Leave it as it is and see how we go for me.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on May 03, 2014, 04:57:25 pm
I too wish to give Russ Wilcox the vote as the next Rovers manager. I just threw out the name Justin Edinburgh to get things rolling, but consider Russ Wilcox as someone who has better managerial credentials for the Rovers manager's job.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: bedale rover on May 03, 2014, 05:03:32 pm
We already have the ready made replacement in Brian Horton
Been there done it

If Dickov isn't good enough then the bloke who has been advising him certainly isnt!!

So Russ Wilcox is a "great shout" but Horton isn't?

Scunny sacked laws and replaced him with ...his assistant Russ Wilcox
How many times does the assistant surpasses the manager?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Boomstick on May 03, 2014, 05:06:05 pm
I'm f**ked off enough without reading this garbage. Come on fellas please grow up, someone had to go down and we went down fighting despite an horrific run. All managers are signed up for success unfortunately very few of the 92 clubs can be successful......sack most of them ?
Rubbish, dickovs job was to keep us up. we should have been safe 5 games ago, his appalling tactics have cost us. I seriously doubt his ability to get us promoted back, just ask Oldham.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on May 03, 2014, 05:08:05 pm
We need someone with experience that's where we went wrong with Dickov. A more experienced manager would have seen us over the line even with the number of injuries we've had.

Chris Powell is the only suitable candidate not sure at all on Willcox
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on May 03, 2014, 05:13:42 pm
DD, Isn't Chris Powell from London, would he move North? Wouldn't he look for a new manager's position in the London area?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on May 03, 2014, 05:16:30 pm
DD, Isn't Chris Powell from London, would he move North? Wouldn't he look for a new manager's position in the London area?

He'll probably have to move out the London area to get a new job even if it was with because what LDN club would want him?

He probably knows he'll have to go down to league 1 to get another managerial job. Likes to bring the youth players through also
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: River Don on May 03, 2014, 05:45:15 pm
Change for changes sake.

There is no good reason to sack Dickov.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Wellred on May 03, 2014, 05:50:26 pm
Change for changes sake.

There is no good reason to sack Dickov.

I can think of more reasons for him to go than to stay.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on May 03, 2014, 05:57:26 pm
Change for changes sake.

There is no good reason to sack Dickov.

One good reason, we've been relegated that was not the objective of this season. He has failed.

Title: Re: (No subject)
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on May 03, 2014, 05:59:02 pm
Don't give a toss right now. Thankfully we won't be making the decisions on the manager. Time to chill and put football to bed for a while.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: The Red Baron on May 03, 2014, 06:01:03 pm
Still raw at the moment, but I've felt for a while now that he isn't up to the job. I'm not convinced he'll get us into the top half of League One next season, never mind promotion.

I'll expand on my thinking in the next day or two, but for me PD has to go.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: grayx on May 03, 2014, 06:07:43 pm
Change for changes sake.

There is no good reason to sack Dickov.

I disagree..
He's had some decent players to work with this season , including the best two keepers we have had for a long time. His lack of tactical "know-how" , baffling  team selections and formations have cost us in the end. T say he was a decent striker he is clueless on how to create goalscoring opportunities hence our shocking "goals for" record. Today summed him up really. Time to go I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: DaveOfDonny on May 03, 2014, 06:09:54 pm
Get him sacked. Not good enough. Give me grief for having an opinion, I don't care, the proof was in the pudding, we've been very poor.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: River Don on May 03, 2014, 06:12:10 pm
Consistency is a valuable commodity in football.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on May 03, 2014, 06:14:11 pm
Consistency is a valuable commodity in football.


Agree 100% but you need to hav someone in charge who is capable. If the league wasn't so poor this year we would have been relegated weeks ago
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: River Don on May 03, 2014, 06:17:20 pm
Consistency is a valuable commodity in football.


Agree 100% but you need to hav someone in charge who is capable. If the league wasn't so poor this year we would have been relegated weeks ago

The league wasn't poor. The Championship never is.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on May 03, 2014, 06:19:50 pm
Consistency is a valuable commodity in football.


Agree 100% but you need to hav someone in charge who is capable. If the league wasn't so poor this year we would have been relegated weeks ago

The league wasn't poor. The Championship never is.

It has been this season. Yeovil and Barnsley wouldn't have made the play off's in league 1. Blackpool and Millwall have been shite all season
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Wellred on May 03, 2014, 06:20:06 pm
Consistency is a valuable commodity in football.


I agree. PD has been consistently baffling with his tactics. We should have seen the signs when the goalkeeper was allowed to go up for a corner in the first match of the season.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Akinfenwa on May 03, 2014, 06:22:16 pm
Consistency is only valuable if it's good consistency.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: River Don on May 03, 2014, 06:23:48 pm
Consistency is a valuable commodity in football.


Agree 100% but you need to hav someone in charge who is capable. If the league wasn't so poor this year we would have been relegated weeks ago

The league wasn't poor. The Championship never is.

It has been this season. Yeovil and Barnsley wouldn't have made the play off's in league 1. Blackpool and Millwall have been shite all season

I disagree.

The three smallest clubs have gone down. As the bookies expected.

We are competing in a league where some clubs have sugar daddies, the pull of the Premiership is real and others fight to get back to the Prem with enormous parachute payments.

No way can this EVER be described as a poor league.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on May 03, 2014, 06:25:20 pm
Consistency is a valuable commodity in football.


Agree 100% but you need to hav someone in charge who is capable. If the league wasn't so poor this year we would have been relegated weeks ago

The league wasn't poor. The Championship never is.

It has been this season. Yeovil and Barnsley wouldn't have made the play off's in league 1. Blackpool and Millwall have been shite all season

I disagree.

The three smallest clubs have gone down. As the bookies expected.

We are competing in a league where some clubs have sugar daddies, the pull of the Premiership is real and others fight to get back to the Prem with enormous parachute payments.

No way can this EVER be described as a poor league.

Okay then, maybe not the league has been poor but the bottom 6 have been poorer than normal
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Bristol Red Rover on May 03, 2014, 06:26:40 pm

...PD has been consistently baffling with his tactics. We should have seen the signs when the goalkeeper was allowed to go up for a corner in the first match of the season.
So which manager we've had over the last decade would say say hasn't been baffling with their tactics?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Wellred on May 03, 2014, 06:28:57 pm

...PD has been consistently baffling with his tactics. We should have seen the signs when the goalkeeper was allowed to go up for a corner in the first match of the season.
So which manager we've had over the last decade would say say hasn't been baffling with their tactics?

How about Dean Saunders?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: bedale rover on May 03, 2014, 06:31:36 pm

...PD has been consistently baffling with his tactics. We should have seen the signs when the goalkeeper was allowed to go up for a corner in the first match of the season.
So which manager we've had over the last decade would say say hasn't been baffling with their tactics?

How about Dean Saunders?

NO
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: River Don on May 03, 2014, 06:32:26 pm

...PD has been consistently baffling with his tactics. We should have seen the signs when the goalkeeper was allowed to go up for a corner in the first match of the season.
So which manager we've had over the last decade would say say hasn't been baffling with their tactics?

How about Dean Saunders?

NO

I'd have Flynn before him.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Wellred on May 03, 2014, 06:34:54 pm

...PD has been consistently baffling with his tactics. We should have seen the signs when the goalkeeper was allowed to go up for a corner in the first match of the season.
So which manager we've had over the last decade would say say hasn't been baffling with their tactics?

How about Dean Saunders?

NO

I'd have Flynn before him.
But the question was. So which manager we've had over the last decade would say say hasn't been baffling with their tactics?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: River Don on May 03, 2014, 06:36:41 pm

...PD has been consistently baffling with his tactics. We should have seen the signs when the goalkeeper was allowed to go up for a corner in the first match of the season.
So which manager we've had over the last decade would say say hasn't been baffling with their tactics?

How about Dean Saunders?

NO

I'd have Flynn before him.
But the question was. So which manager we've had over the last decade would say say hasn't been baffling with their tactics?

Probably Dave Penney. He was always pretty straight forward, he liked to pick the same side that had done well in the last game.
Title: Re: (No subject)
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on May 03, 2014, 06:37:20 pm
The only thing I reflect on is by asking this question. Taking injuries aside, has Dickov got the best out of the players? For me it's a no to that so I think he has to be prepared for the push.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on May 03, 2014, 06:43:30 pm
Without injuries we would have finished midtable, our form when at full strength showed that.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: grayx on May 03, 2014, 06:48:45 pm
I think its gonna be more a case of who'd want to come here.. The budget wont be great,it never is  especially in league 1. Lets sit back and see who applies.... but the more I think about it, the more i want Dickov to go.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on May 03, 2014, 06:50:01 pm
I think its gonna be more a case of who'd want to come here.. The budget wont be great,it never is  especially in league 1. Lets sit back and see who applies.... but the more I think about it, the more i want Dickov to go.

We will have one of the best squads in League 1 though. We don't need to do much strengthening
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: DRFCSouth on May 03, 2014, 06:50:34 pm
He will be lucky to keep his job. I just wonder when the original 'criteria' was set how he got to the top of the list. It doesn't say much for the other names that may have been on the list. He was hardly a revelation at Oldham. Most managers get sacked on relegation, that is a fact.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: timdrfc on May 03, 2014, 06:51:11 pm

...PD has been consistently baffling with his tactics. We should have seen the signs when the goalkeeper was allowed to go up for a corner in the first match of the season.
So which manager we've had over the last decade would say say hasn't been baffling with their tactics?

How about Dean Saunders?

NO

I'd have Flynn before him.
Saunders is a class above Flynn, why do you think Flynn didn't get to manage us un the Championship?   
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Lifelong supporter on May 03, 2014, 06:55:19 pm

Enough of the knee-jerkers, stick with Dickov.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: DonnyOsmond on May 03, 2014, 07:06:32 pm
Are people saying keep him just so we don't look like a sacking club or do they genuinely believe he's a good manager?

Either way we're in for a year of mediocrity.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Wiltshire Exile on May 03, 2014, 07:07:47 pm
Apparently he ain't going anywhere!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27269286 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27269286)
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on May 03, 2014, 07:09:07 pm
Apparently he ain't going anywhere!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27269286 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27269286)

you're kidding me, ffs
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: pib on May 03, 2014, 07:12:23 pm
It's only what he says though! He's hardly going to say "yeah I've got a meeting with Terry and Gavin tomorrow morning to negotiate my pay-off."

There's still hope yet.

I remember when TB left the board first time, he left because he wasn't happy with how his money was being spent (or something along those lines). Will he be happy with the result of this season after refusing to sell the club and then pushing the boat out in January? Hmm.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Lifelong supporter on May 03, 2014, 07:12:44 pm
Are people saying keep him just so we don't look like a sacking club or do they genuinely believe he's a good manager?

Either way we're in for a year of mediocrity.

Doesn't that depend on the budget for next season?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: River Don on May 03, 2014, 07:15:12 pm
He will be lucky to keep his job. I just wonder when the original 'criteria' was set how he got to the top of the list. It doesn't say much for the other names that may have been on the list. He was hardly a revelation at Oldham. Most managers get sacked on relegation, that is a fact.

The criteria was stay in this league. That was a big ask, he failed by just one goal. He's a young manager and he will have learned a thing or two this season.

He deserves another shot at it.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: DonnyOsmond on May 03, 2014, 07:18:04 pm
Are people saying keep him just so we don't look like a sacking club or do they genuinely believe he's a good manager?

Either way we're in for a year of mediocrity.

Doesn't that depend on the budget for next season?

One of a number of factors. We'll have one of the top budgets in the league and under achieve due to having a manager that struggles tactically when attacking.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Lifelong supporter on May 03, 2014, 07:21:21 pm
Are people saying keep him just so we don't look like a sacking club or do they genuinely believe he's a good manager?

Either way we're in for a year of mediocrity.

Doesn't that depend on the budget for next season?


One of a number of factors. We'll have one of the top budgets in the league and under achieve due to having a manager that struggles tactically when attacking.

Who says we'll have one of the top budgets in the league?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: DRFCSouth on May 03, 2014, 07:21:33 pm
He will be lucky to keep his job. I just wonder when the original 'criteria' was set how he got to the top of the list. It doesn't say much for the other names that may have been on the list. He was hardly a revelation at Oldham. Most managers get sacked on relegation, that is a fact.



The criteria was stay in this league. That was a big ask, he failed by just one goal. He's a young manager and he will have learned a thing or two this season.

He deserves another shot at it.

I was thinking more the criteria for selecting him as manager. If he was the best on the list, it doesn't say much for the original list of candidates. To be 8 points clear or whatever it was, and to go down from there, is pretty poor. It's like he thought we had crossed the line. To be honest, not sure it's that helpful if he went. Not sure many others could get much more from the players this year. Got to admit, I was a bit under whelmed when he got the job and that has not changed.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Donnybax on May 03, 2014, 07:22:57 pm
I cant understand why he was given the job in the first place? He had no plausible credentials for me. Failed at Oldham is the only thing from his CV but I was willing to give him a chance. He has proved to me this season he isn't good enough. Tactically inept, slow to react to things and he's been well backed. Can't get good strikers to score goals and we never look like scoring. Away form is laughable. Anyone who says we are unlucky this season is just wrong. 44 points would send you down every single time it's a terrible points return
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: DonnyOsmond on May 03, 2014, 07:23:50 pm
Are people saying keep him just so we don't look like a sacking club or do they genuinely believe he's a good manager?

Either way we're in for a year of mediocrity.

Doesn't that depend on the budget for next season?


One of a number of factors. We'll have one of the top budgets in the league and under achieve due to having a manager that struggles tactically when attacking.

Who says we'll have one of the top budgets in the league?

Me in that post you just quoted.

It's also assumed seeing as we're keeping at least 13 of the players we will already have one of the top budgets. Are you going anywhere with this or...?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: mrfrostsdad on May 03, 2014, 07:37:25 pm
Bax, I said on here 10 months ago the only reason he got the job: because no experienced manager at this level would have come knowing there was no money to spend. And I'm talking transfer fees, not loans and short term contracts for players no-one else wanted..

I doubt very much Dickov will get sacked. I don't think the board has the balls to do it. He must be the only person who has watched us all season that didn't know his tactics, formations and team selection away from home were totally baffling. And don't take my word for it, look at our away record. Statistics don't lie.
Totally and utterly clueless. Couldn't manage the hole in his bottom
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Donnybax on May 03, 2014, 07:40:00 pm
Well I would say the only reason he got the job is because he was a friend of JRs and it was clearly his appointment because it took us so long to appoint an unemployed manager
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: River Don on May 03, 2014, 07:41:24 pm
Well I would say the only reason he got the job is because he was a friend of JRs and it was clearly his appointment because it took us so long to appoint an unemployed manager

JR is usually a pretty good judge of a manager.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Donnybax on May 03, 2014, 07:44:25 pm
Well he aint this time
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: River Don on May 03, 2014, 07:46:12 pm
Well he aint this time

I'd trust his opinion before yours.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Donnybax on May 03, 2014, 07:48:34 pm
Good for you but whatever he saw in him he must have had to search very far for and I certainly haven't seen it. Dreadful for me
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: ravenrover on May 03, 2014, 07:50:38 pm
I wonder if we might see Little and Large back in charge by the end of September?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: grayx on May 03, 2014, 07:51:18 pm
I think its gonna be more a case of who'd want to come here.. The budget wont be great,it never is  especially in league 1. Lets sit back and see who applies.... but the more I think about it, the more i want Dickov to go.

We will have one of the best squads in League 1 though. We don't need to do much strengthening

If we kept these players, I would agree. But unfortunately players ambitions and budget cuts won't allow this.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: DonnyOsmond on May 03, 2014, 07:53:26 pm
I wonder if we might see Little and Large back in charge by the end of September?

Just Large please.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: DRFCSouth on May 03, 2014, 07:57:46 pm
The majority of the teams around the bottom have shown recent upturns in form. Rovers were probably the worst team in the last few months, without bothering to look at the form table. When it really mattered, the other managers got the best from their players. There has to be a breakdown in tactics somewhere, going from a position where I was thinking we might break into the 50's points wise, to where we are today.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Akinfenwa on May 03, 2014, 07:58:42 pm
The criteria was stay in this league. That was a big ask, he failed by just one goal. He's a young manager and he will have learned a thing or two this season.

He deserves another shot at it.

On the contrary, my main fault with Dickov (out of many) is that there are no encouraging signs that he actually learns anything from one game to the next. He's making the same mistakes now as he was making at the beginning of the season. He's making the same mistakes this season as he was making during his three seasons at Oldham.

Given his record at Oldham, I thought that one shot at it with us was one shot too many. I was gutted when he was appointed because he'd achieved nothing to deserve a chance with us in the league above. Since then he's taken us down. To hear that he's confident of keeping his job is a real kick in the teeth from my point of view.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: River Don on May 03, 2014, 08:03:01 pm
The majority of the teams around the bottom have shown recent upturns in form. Rovers were probably the worst team in the last few months, without bothering to look at the form table. When it really mattered, the other managers got the best from their players. There has to be a breakdown in tactics somewhere, going from a position where I was thinking we might break into the 50's points wise, to where we are today.

They haven't shown an upturn in form, the league has finished exactly as BST predicted it would. The only thing BST failed to identify was Rovers difficult run in and collapse towards the end. To a large part that can be attributed to injuries.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Lincoln Rover on May 03, 2014, 08:05:43 pm
Mr Dockov IS the man in my opinion.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: silent majority on May 03, 2014, 08:07:51 pm
I think its gonna be more a case of who'd want to come here.. The budget wont be great,it never is  especially in league 1. Lets sit back and see who applies.... but the more I think about it, the more i want Dickov to go.

We were in the top 3 or 4 in terms of budget in Lg1 the last time. Where do you get this mis-information from?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: phil old leake on May 03, 2014, 08:08:03 pm
If we sack Dickov we definitely don't want SOD back what has he done since leaving. Nowt.  Why would Wilcox come from an up and coming team to have to try and build a team. You all have to remember realistically how many players there today will be gone before next season.
Can't see Johnstone staying although I really hope he does. Can't see turnbull staying, Good chance Coppinger will go, Sharp will probably go, Meite won't play div 1 Ryan Nelson won't be coming back. Swapping Brazil for the keepmoat, The way he's played Quinn will probably move on, Tamas is too good for Div 1 some of the others like cotterill, Robinson Furman might not fancy it.  What about Wellens he's too good for Div 1 so might move.  Don't get me wrong i hope they all stay but it isn't going to happen
Give Dickov the chance to see if he has got these so called contacts and ability to pull players in.  He's brought some good ones so far and others that moved on like Macheda   He's had some bad luck with injuries and people like Sharp being unprofessional getting himself sent off. Things might have been different without these
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: DRFCSouth on May 03, 2014, 08:08:15 pm
The majority of the teams around the bottom have shown recent upturns in form. Rovers were probably the worst team in the last few months, without bothering to look at the form table. When it really mattered, the other managers got the best from their players. There has to be a breakdown in tactics somewhere, going from a position where I was thinking we might break into the 50's points wise, to where we are today.

They haven't shown an upturn in form, the league has finished exactly as BST predicted it would. The only thing BST failed to identify was Rovers difficult run in and collapse towards the end. To a large part that can be attributed to injuries.

They have shown better form than Rovers. Charlton, Blackpool, Millwall have all obtained draws or wins in the last six games when it mattered. If it wasn't for miracle keeping, we would have lost at Millwall. Even Yeovil and Barnsley have picked up more points in the last 6. Only Birmingham have been equally as shocking.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: phil old leake on May 03, 2014, 08:12:18 pm
With regard to budget lets hoe Mr Brammell and Mr Watson put their hands in their pockets.   If we look back we were doing ok until all the disruption with the sequentia deal.  That should have been sorted quickly and not drawn out  I feel tat it really disrupted the squad and possibly PD
Our budget won't be helped hen the rowdy drop again.  We need up port like today all the time
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: southwestexile on May 03, 2014, 08:13:01 pm
Thinking back to our short list, one of the hot favourites was Lomas - he did well at Millwall?  Butcher was on there too, interesting that no one else in the championship or league one has snapped him up.

Dickov will take us up next year in second spot. Blades will be champions.

Time for our team to evolve into an attacking force which befits dickovs vision
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: phil old leake on May 03, 2014, 08:13:23 pm
With regard to budget lets hoe Mr Brammell and Mr Watson put their hands in their pockets.   If we look back we were doing ok until all the disruption with the sequentia deal.  That should have been sorted quickly and not drawn out  I feel tat it really disrupted the squad and possibly PD
Our budget won't be helped hen the rowdy drop again.  We need up port like today all the time
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on May 03, 2014, 08:14:00 pm
I think its gonna be more a case of who'd want to come here.. The budget wont be great,it never is  especially in league 1. Lets sit back and see who applies.... but the more I think about it, the more i want Dickov to go.

We were in the top 3 or 4 in terms of budget in Lg1 the last time. Where do you get this mis-information from?

SM can you tell us what the board's opinion is currently of Dickov?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: silent majority on May 03, 2014, 08:15:56 pm
Thinking back to our short list, one of the hot favourites was Lomas - he did well at Millwall?  Butcher was on there too, interesting that no one else in the championship or league one has snapped him up.

Dickov will take us up next year in second spot. Blades will be champions.

Time for our team to evolve into an attacking force which befits dickovs vision

Lomas was but a very poor interview did for him. Butcher was using us to get a pay rise at Inverness (allegedly!).

My choice would have been Michael Appleton.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: DonnyOsmond on May 03, 2014, 08:17:51 pm
Pick a manager on ability not on an interview! SOD was terrible at interviews but wasn't too bad a manager (Had a number of flaws though).

All them managers we were linked with look a bit depressing now.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Donnybax on May 03, 2014, 08:21:44 pm
I thought we had some "high profile" applicants? That shortlist is painful to look at
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: River Don on May 03, 2014, 08:21:53 pm
The majority of the teams around the bottom have shown recent upturns in form. Rovers were probably the worst team in the last few months, without bothering to look at the form table. When it really mattered, the other managers got the best from their players. There has to be a breakdown in tactics somewhere, going from a position where I was thinking we might break into the 50's points wise, to where we are today.

They haven't shown an upturn in form, the league has finished exactly as BST predicted it would. The only thing BST failed to identify was Rovers difficult run in and collapse towards the end. To a large part that can be attributed to injuries.

They have shown better form than Rovers. Charlton, Blackpool, Millwall have all obtained draws or wins in the last six games when it mattered. If it wasn't for miracle keeping, we would have lost at Millwall. Even Yeovil and Barnsley have picked up more points in the last 6. Only Birmingham have been equally as shocking.

The league has finished as expected. Relegation at 44pts is low but BST predicted it.

Rovers form over the last 7 games was exceptionally bad that wasn't predicted. Even then relegation was a close run thing.

The others have not shown an uptick in form. Birmingham finished with 5 losses and a draw! Blackpool 4 losses a draw and a win. The only club who have seen a real change of fortune is Millwall. Ian Holloway is a force to be reckoned with.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: pib on May 03, 2014, 08:21:56 pm
If we based our decision on the interview, I can see how Dickov got it. Talks as good a game as anyone!
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on May 03, 2014, 08:23:21 pm
If we based our decision on the interview, I can see how Dickov got it. Talks as good a game as anyone!

Yep but surely in football track records count more than an interview?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: pib on May 03, 2014, 08:23:53 pm
If we based our decision on the interview, I can see how Dickov got it. Talks as good a game as anyone!

Yep but surely in football track records count more than an interview?

Well he didn't get it for his track record did he? Let's face it.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: silent majority on May 03, 2014, 08:24:41 pm
I think its gonna be more a case of who'd want to come here.. The budget wont be great,it never is  especially in league 1. Lets sit back and see who applies.... but the more I think about it, the more i want Dickov to go.

We were in the top 3 or 4 in terms of budget in Lg1 the last time. Where do you get this mis-information from?

SM can you tell us what the board's opinion is currently of Dickov?

I'm sorry I can't. It's not normally a subject I raise with the club, I have my opinion and they have theirs. They see much more of a coach ( and to be honest that's what he is) than any supporter ever does.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: mrfrostsdad on May 03, 2014, 08:31:25 pm
My God!!!!!!!!
SM! Something I finally agree with you on after all this time! Out of the short listed candidates my choice would have been Appleton as well!
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: DonnyOsmond on May 03, 2014, 08:32:34 pm
Lee Johnson
Gary Rowett
Dean Smith
Rob Jones - worth a shot
Justin Edinburgh
Paul Tisdale
Derek McInnes
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: bedale rover on May 03, 2014, 08:35:55 pm
Lee Johnson
Gary Rowett
Dean Smith
Rob Jones - worth a shot
Justin Edinburgh
Paul Tisdale
Derek McInnes
Nigel Worthington has done a good job at York and previously with Norwich
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: HomerJSimpson on May 03, 2014, 08:38:18 pm
Appleton..... I have to say I was under whelmed with Dickov but would have been more so with Appleton.

The entire list of candidates and applicants must have been poor. Shame really considering our recent reputation (experiment aside).

In Dickov we trust....until the club say otherwise
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on May 03, 2014, 08:40:48 pm
Appleton... Dear god.
Why?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Donnybax on May 03, 2014, 08:43:59 pm
With the standard of these I think I may apply
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: mrfrostsdad on May 03, 2014, 08:46:50 pm
Appleton is a very well regarded coach who, if I'm not mistaken, was/is involved in the England set up
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: since-1969 on May 03, 2014, 08:48:42 pm
The club are saying he's staying  f*** what we think!
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on May 03, 2014, 08:51:03 pm
He's not done anything in management, and showed no loyalty.
Not for me
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on May 03, 2014, 08:51:30 pm
It's a good job they don't take notice of half the stuff on here..
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on May 03, 2014, 08:55:33 pm
Dickov should go, he picked the team and tactics. He seemed to blame everyone bar himself for poor results, but ultimately the buck stops with him, he should be man enough and resign, so the club can make a fresh start with a new manager. A good manager produces a good team  who create their own good fortune and results, the reverse is true of a bad manager. Dickov falls into the latter category.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on May 03, 2014, 08:58:19 pm
At least Appleton had experience at this level and above, wasn't he in charge at Pompey in the prem towards the end?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: HomerJSimpson on May 03, 2014, 09:00:04 pm
Wouldn't say Appleton has achieve anything whilst being the manager though...
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on May 03, 2014, 09:01:41 pm
I think if those in charge have sense they'll make a change. You can't let a manager fail and then keep him on. He said if they backed him he would succeed - he's failed.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on May 03, 2014, 09:02:58 pm
I think if those in charge have sense they'll make a change. You can't let a manager fail and then keep him on. He said if they backed him he would succeed - he's failed.

Adkins failed to get Reading in the play offs which was their objective and no doubt he will get sacked. Dickov failed our objective, there should be only one outcome
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on May 03, 2014, 09:06:49 pm
I think if those in charge have sense they'll make a change. You can't let a manager fail and then keep him on. He said if they backed him he would succeed - he's failed.

Can't you??
Dean Saunders!! We've heard all these statements before, but he proved all the doubters wrong.
Scroll back two years this forum was full of the same statements just moaning about a different name.
And you were all wrong, I think you'll be wrong again
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on May 03, 2014, 09:07:16 pm
To be honest we've been riding our luck over the past month, poor results and still don't drop into the relegation zone. Today that luck ran out and Birmingham did what they had to do, whilst we failed to do what we needed to do to stay in the Championship. You can't keep relying on other teams to do us a favour, and not get results by our own efforts. Dickov should have got his team and tactics right for today, our fate was still in our own hands, yet we failed. The reason we are now in League One is 100% the manager's responsibility, and he should be sacked.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on May 03, 2014, 09:09:05 pm
It has nothing to do with today, we were playin away at the champions. Damage was done at home to Birmingham and Bolton, and away at millwall when the ref did us over.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: DonnyOsmond on May 03, 2014, 09:12:30 pm
I think if those in charge have sense they'll make a change. You can't let a manager fail and then keep him on. He said if they backed him he would succeed - he's failed.

Can't you??
Dean Saunders!! We've heard all these statements before, but he proved all the doubters wrong.
Scroll back two years this forum was full of the same statements just moaning about a different name.
And you were all wrong, I think you'll be wrong again

Dean had half a season and didn't bring a single of his own players in. He had to deal with the French revolution so didn't have the easiest job, plus we looked like we were going down anyway. We still managed to look a threat going forward at times unlike this season. Dickov has had a full season and was backed towards the end of the summer and allowed to bring in Turnbull, Robinson, Wellens and Khumalo then backed further in January with Sharp, Meite and Tamas joining. Only one has had the ability to build his own team and he's failed.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: southwestexile on May 03, 2014, 09:12:55 pm
At least Appleton had experience at this level and above, wasn't he in charge at Pompey in the prem towards the end?

'The end' -is there any more fitting reason why he should never darken our door?

Dickov will take us up next year, he took us to Leicester who only beat us on the grounds of an iffy penno. How many teams have one better?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: DonnyOsmond on May 03, 2014, 09:15:14 pm
At least Appleton had experience at this level and above, wasn't he in charge at Pompey in the prem towards the end?

'The end' -is there any more fitting reason why he should never darken our door?

Dickov will take us up next year, he took us to Leicester who only beat us on the grounds of an iffy penno. How many teams have one better?

So forgetting the other 45 games, the reason we'll go up is because we only just lost today.  :lol:
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: southwestexile on May 03, 2014, 09:33:31 pm
The fact that were learning as a club will take us up

We'll be strong as hell in league 1, definitely the team to beat
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on May 03, 2014, 09:37:02 pm
The fact that were learning as a club will take us up

We'll be strong as hell in league 1, definitely the team to beat

It will depend on the manager we have in place. Can't see us challenging for promotion if Dickov is still in-charge. He doesn't get the best from his players, plays them out of position and is tactically inept.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Lifelong supporter on May 03, 2014, 09:37:12 pm
Thinking back to our short list, one of the hot favourites was Lomas - he did well at Millwall?  Butcher was on there too, interesting that no one else in the championship or league one has snapped him up.

Dickov will take us up next year in second spot. Blades will be champions.

Time for our team to evolve into an attacking force which befits dickovs vision

Lomas was but a very poor interview did for him. Butcher was using us to get a pay rise at Inverness (allegedly!).

My choice would have been Michael Appleton.


And Michael Appleton is so good he's managing who exactly now?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on May 03, 2014, 09:38:15 pm
I think if those in charge have sense they'll make a change. You can't let a manager fail and then keep him on. He said if they backed him he would succeed - he's failed.

Can't you??
Dean Saunders!! We've heard all these statements before, but he proved all the doubters wrong.
Scroll back two years this forum was full of the same statements just moaning about a different name.
And you were all wrong, I think you'll be wrong again

Dean had half a season and didn't bring a single of his own players in. He had to deal with the French revolution so didn't have the easiest job, plus we looked like we were going down anyway. We still managed to look a threat going forward at times unlike this season. Dickov has had a full season and was backed towards the end of the summer and allowed to bring in Turnbull, Robinson, Wellens and Khumalo then backed further in January with Sharp, Meite and Tamas joining. Only one has had the ability to build his own team and he's failed.

I agree with everything you say, but the point made was you can't keep someone on who has failed.
They've both failed, and I believed Saunders should've been given the chance then and I believe Dickov should now.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on May 03, 2014, 09:39:29 pm
The fact that were learning as a club will take us up

We'll be strong as hell in league 1, definitely the team to beat

It will depend on the manager we have in place. Can't see us challenging for promotion if Dickov is still in-charge. He doesn't get the best from his players, plays them out of position and is tactically inept.

This post could've been cut and pasted from May 2012, and swapped Saunders with Dickov..
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Lifelong supporter on May 03, 2014, 09:46:31 pm
I think its gonna be more a case of who'd want to come here.. The budget wont be great,it never is  especially in league 1. Lets sit back and see who applies.... but the more I think about it, the more i want Dickov to go.

We were in the top 3 or 4 in terms of budget in Lg1 the last time. Where do you get this mis-information from?

SM can you tell us what the board's opinion is currently of Dickov?

I'm sorry I can't. It's not normally a subject I raise with the club, I have my opinion and they have theirs. They see much more of a coach ( and to be honest that's what he is) than any supporter ever does.

Does that mean things have changed since you posted this in January in answer to a similar question?

He's not going anywhere, not unless he chooses to.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on May 03, 2014, 10:11:45 pm
Dickov all season has failed to read the game and make the changes in his tactics to bring Rovers back into the game if losing, or win the game if drawing. We need a manager who tactically astute.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: grayx on May 03, 2014, 11:41:05 pm
I think its gonna be more a case of who'd want to come here.. The budget wont be great,it never is  especially in league 1. Lets sit back and see who applies.... but the more I think about it, the more i want Dickov to go.

We were in the top 3 or 4 in terms of budget in Lg1 the last time. Where do you get this mis-information from?

If you read my statement again SM, I said the budget wont be "great". I really hope that you're telling me I'm wrong. Doubt it though.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: River Don on May 03, 2014, 11:52:49 pm
I think its gonna be more a case of who'd want to come here.. The budget wont be great,it never is  especially in league 1. Lets sit back and see who applies.... but the more I think about it, the more i want Dickov to go.

We were in the top 3 or 4 in terms of budget in Lg1 the last time. Where do you get this mis-information from?

If you read my statement again SM, I said the budget wont be "great". I really hope that you're telling me I'm wrong. Doubt it though.

The budget isn't great in League 1?

We've always done pretty well with this group of owners, in League 1.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Akinfenwa on May 03, 2014, 11:55:22 pm
We're one owner down this time though. Don't know what effect that will have.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: River Don on May 03, 2014, 11:56:31 pm
We're one owner down this time though. Don't know what effect that will have.

Are we?

He was talking positively in the press this week.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: VikingRich on May 04, 2014, 12:01:35 am
I saw JR after the game and asked him if he was coming back - his response was "we'll see".
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: River Don on May 04, 2014, 12:02:42 am
I saw JR after the game and asked him if he was coming back - his response was "we'll see".

Didn't say no then?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: BobG on May 04, 2014, 12:22:32 am
Oh God....

BobG
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Draytonian III on May 04, 2014, 12:40:19 am
Dean Saunders is the same  as Paul Ince ,average player,playing for a good side at the right time. Sky sports love them . Talk the talk,but should never ever manage a league side again. Both to fond the camera and talking about when they played  15years ➕
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: silvesterp on May 04, 2014, 01:00:41 am
Keep dickov. Lack of depth in squad and injuries as well as awful refereeing got us relegated. Not dickov. 
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: mjg on May 04, 2014, 06:25:54 am
no one
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on May 04, 2014, 04:34:39 pm
I think there is a misplaced loyalty by the club in keeping Dickov. He did not fulfil what was asked of him, namely keeping Rovers in the Championship, and as a result has cost Rovers  millions of pounds in lost revenues. In any other job he would be fired.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: silent majority on May 04, 2014, 04:48:54 pm
I think its gonna be more a case of who'd want to come here.. The budget wont be great,it never is  especially in league 1. Lets sit back and see who applies.... but the more I think about it, the more i want Dickov to go.

We were in the top 3 or 4 in terms of budget in Lg1 the last time. Where do you get this mis-information from?

If you read my statement again SM, I said the budget wont be "great". I really hope that you're telling me I'm wrong. Doubt it though.

Well I'm not sure I understand you then. Our budget was very good by lg1 standards last time and I'm expecting the same. TB and DW are very ambitious for DRFC, they just articulate it in a different way. Supporters as old as me realise that this is a golden era for our club, we have owners who are prepared to spend their money on our hobby. Have a look back over the last 50 years and tell me when we ever did this.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on May 04, 2014, 04:53:24 pm
I think there is a misplaced loyalty by the club in keeping Dickov. He did not fulfil what was asked of him, namely keeping Rovers in the Championship, and as a result has cost Rovers  millions of pounds in lost revenues. In any other job he would be fired.

Agree with that. But it seems to be the decision they've made. I disagree with it but it's their decision and we get behind it in my opinion. Let's hope Dickov improves and learns. I don't think he's awful but the end to this season has been shocking.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: silent majority on May 04, 2014, 04:53:47 pm
I think its gonna be more a case of who'd want to come here.. The budget wont be great,it never is  especially in league 1. Lets sit back and see who applies.... but the more I think about it, the more i want Dickov to go.

We were in the top 3 or 4 in terms of budget in Lg1 the last time. Where do you get this mis-information from?

SM can you tell us what the board's opinion is currently of Dickov?

I'm sorry I can't. It's not normally a subject I raise with the club, I have my opinion and they have theirs. They see much more of a coach ( and to be honest that's what he is) than any supporter ever does.

Does that mean things have changed since you posted this in January in answer to a similar question?

He's not going anywhere, not unless he chooses to.

I don't see your point. In January I was asked a question and I knew the answer to it. I hadn't discussed this in recent weeks therefore I didn't know the answer and stated so.

Anymore digs you want to make at me Lifelong?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: silent majority on May 04, 2014, 04:58:37 pm
Thinking back to our short list, one of the hot favourites was Lomas - he did well at Millwall?  Butcher was on there too, interesting that no one else in the championship or league one has snapped him up.

Dickov will take us up next year in second spot. Blades will be champions.

Time for our team to evolve into an attacking force which befits dickovs vision

Lomas was but a very poor interview did for him. Butcher was using us to get a pay rise at Inverness (allegedly!).

My choice would have been Michael Appleton.


And Michael Appleton is so good he's managing who exactly now?


His record as a coach is outstanding. He's the one who put together Roy Hodgsons team at WBA, and has continued to coach at various levels for the England national team. He's managed at Portsmouth, Blackburn and Blackpool. But his record as a coach is what made him attractive and realistically that's what we need at Doncaster.

Still analysing my posts Lifelong?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on May 04, 2014, 05:58:22 pm
Joe Royle, has bags of experience.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on May 04, 2014, 06:00:24 pm
Joe Royle, has bags of experience.

Rather see Jim
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on May 04, 2014, 09:13:38 pm
I think we need someone with the knowledge and experience to get us out of L1, Dickov does not have this experience, he managed Oldham in L1 and didn't do much there. He doesn't fill me with confidence that he knows how to get Rovers out of L1. We need someone of Joe Royle's ilk, who has been there and done it.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on May 04, 2014, 09:50:10 pm
Joe royle??
U having a laugh?
He hasn't managed for about 20 years he has no knowledge of league 1 now,
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: pib on May 04, 2014, 09:53:19 pm
Joe royle??
U having a laugh?
He hasn't managed for about 20 years he has no knowledge of league 1 now,

He managed Oldham in 2009.

I agree with you that I wouldn't hire him, but at least offer some accurate information in response if you're going to ridicule somebody's suggestions.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on May 04, 2014, 10:11:17 pm
Aye he did.
For a month
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: pib on May 04, 2014, 10:19:07 pm
Aye he did.
For a month

And he managed Ipswich Town for 3 years between '03 and '06.

My maths isn't that strong. Can anybody let me know whether it's been 20 years since 2006?

Also, can you, Dickos, let me know how you got into Joe Royle's brain to assess his knowledge of League One. I wouldn't mind using your services if you have the capability to do that.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: GloucesterRover31 on May 04, 2014, 10:44:38 pm
I think the board have made the right decision! But if we did go for someone else paul hurst at Grimsby wouldn't break the bank done a really good job and I hear they play cracking football on the floor attacking football they concede a few but score a few too
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Sammy Chung was King on May 05, 2014, 01:20:43 am
I Think Dickov has strengths as a manager,he in the main identifies the player needed to improve the side,and when they sign most of the players haven't needed a settling in period,he's not afraid to drop the bigger named players in the side,he's always positive in the interviews,you don't hear him moaning and groaning about lack of funds.
He makes the best of what he has,there's no doubt he has an extensive contacts book in the game.
Players who wouldn't normally sign for us have joined probably because he does have respect in the game.
He doesn't show the pressure he's under,because the players always see him irate about something every day i would think.
He has a great strength of producing performances against the top sides.

His weaknesses seem to be not identifying problems in the team set up early enough,and makes changes when it's too late.
I Never thought i'd list this as a negative,he's too positive,always chasing the win,it's cost us staying up this season.
Very early on it was obvious how he set the team up away,wasn't working,he seemed to cotton on about march with a few decent results on the road.

His press interviews though he's always positive,do seem naive at times,stating we would win all our games left,not a good thing to say,though i admired his bravado,and at the time agreed.
One it will have got the opponents backs up,the opposing manager didn't need to rile the team up after that,two complacency set in to our team,i have no doubts about that,even us as fans became little complacent.
He doesn't seem to know how to motivate the side against teams of a similar size.
He seems stick with either 4-3-3 0r 4-4-2 when may be at times they don't suit the players he has at his disposal.

I Will be interested to see if we do better away from home next season,he needs to have learnt from his mistakes this season,or we as a club will go backwards,he seems a little pig headed at times,and continues doing a thing or playing a system that doesn't work.
He's a work in progress,he's at a crossroads this coming season,does he develop as a manager,use what he has learnt this season?
Or does he continue with some of his weaknesses and show he's learnt nothing.

A Lot of the things Paul has done have been good,the team has competed,we have nothing to be embarrassed about,if you looked at the teams as a neutral before we kicked off,our team would have been one who would have been favourite's to go down.
He didn't quite manage it,but just remember he is still the same guy who had us seven points clear of relegation.
He made some major mistakes over the last month,interviews,allowing complacency to creep in,picked the wrong team for quite a few games,plus he had bad fortune with refereeing decisions,injuries that came just at the wrong time.
For the season 6-7 out of ten for me,he needs to correct the errors he made,and continue with the things he has right.
I Would like decisive action on players he wants in,and players he wants to release,and also a pre season where we play difficult games,not too many non league opponents,get the players doing the right things against tough opponents.
Build a squad where everybody is all together.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on May 05, 2014, 01:36:26 am
Sammy, you say Dickov is at the crossroads as a manager, could give us a brilliant season or not. Should we give him another chance? His objective as manager this season  was to keep Rovers in the Championship, he failed. His objective for next season is to get Rovers promoted, based on the past season's evidence is it convincing enough to believe he will fulfil his objective for next season? I have to say no, and that is why a change is needed.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Sammy Chung was King on May 05, 2014, 01:50:15 am
Les i would say it's 60/40 in his favour to get another season,saving the team from relegation was a target,and it wasn't as if he failed miserably.
You can understand anybody having your viewpoint,he has a lot of weaknesses as a manager,but quite a few strengths as well,the contacts he has in the game,will be very useful in players deciding if they will drop to league one,we have a better chance of getting those players with him than without him.
He needs to improve,his hot headedness at times blinds him to what's going on,i'm not convinced Brian Horton is the best assistant,he was a good manager years and years ago,but his recent dalliances in to managing have been failures.
For me Les give him the full season,unless we are way off the pace,then obviously decisions have to be made,my guess is,he has learnt more this season,than he did at Oldham,he has had challenge after challenge,won some of them,but failed in other's,i think we will be okay.
Out of the bottom three we look best equipped to go straight back up,it will be hard obviously.
I Would get a decent bid in for Chris O'Grady at Barnsley,fifteen goals in a struggling side,very good,and plug the rest of the side with lower league potential,experience,and loans. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: PDX_Rover on May 05, 2014, 01:59:04 am
Maybe PD would benefit from sitting in the stands for the first part of the game, to get a fuller view of the game right across the park. See a lot of managers do that nowadays, and relay back to the dugout. I think it gives a good indicator as to the shape and if the lads are playing to the game plan. It's obvious from many of his interviews that he knows what's gone on, where tweaks need to be made. He's very honest. Think he just needs that full pre-season and the opportunity to build something on the foundation we have.

I'm not at all despondent now the dust has settled - remember we missed out by the finest of margins and we weren't an embarrassment to the championship. Nice to see what other supporters are saying about us as well.

And bar the penno we'd have taken 4 points off the champions. Dicky just needs that bit more experience when to shut up shop and when to push. We've played some nice stuff at times, and it's nice to see a young manager not afraid to make changes.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Sammy Chung was King on May 05, 2014, 02:03:46 am
Maybe PD would benefit from sitting in the stands for the first part of the game, to get a fuller view of the game right across the park. See a lot of managers do that nowadays, and relay back to the dugout. I think it gives a good indicator as to the shape and if the lads are playing to the game plan. It's obvious from many of his interviews that he knows what's gone on, where tweaks need to be made. He's very honest. Think he just needs that full pre-season and the opportunity to build something on the foundation we have.

I'm not at all despondent now the dust has settled - remember we missed out by the finest of margins and we weren't an embarrassment to the championship. Nice to see what other supporters are saying about us as well.

And bar the penno we'd have taken 4 points off the champions. Dicky just needs that bit more experience when to shut up shop and when to push. We've played some nice stuff at times, and it's nice to see a young manager not afraid to make changes.

''You Live by the Sword and Die by it'' what i mean PDX is we came up in a last second fashion,and went down the same way,for me the club is better organised this time,i want decisive action on players,identify who you want get them,and have a good pre season to build a side.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on May 05, 2014, 02:23:22 am
Sammy you make some very reasonable and sound arguments in keeping Dickov, and you may be proved right. My other concerns about him is his tactical ability, he seems to keep to a rigid formation no matter how the game is going, that is fine if you are winning, but not if your drawing or losing. He doesn't seem able to change the team formation to changes on the pitch, leaving him seem to be not a tactically astute manager. I agree with you he has signed some very good players, but has he used them to their best of their ability, Sharp being just one example, who if played in a different formation as a loan striker could have got us more goals. My last concern about Dickov is does he have the respect and backing of the players, or has he lost the dressing room. Mentioned elsewhere is comments made by Mark Duffy that he was unhappy being on the bench at Leicester. Ultimately, it is the manager's decision who plays, but this comment suggests there might be some discontent with Dickov's style of man management that could not bode well for us in L1.
I think the club should have waited and done a proper assessment of the past season before saying that Dickov would be the manager next season, if he proves to be a flop the club especially the CEO will have been seen as acting too hastily.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: PDX_Rover on May 05, 2014, 06:21:10 am
I think as a footballer you want to be involved. Duffy was probably upset too at the relegation.

As a pro, he'll get over it.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Colin C No.3 on May 05, 2014, 09:43:13 am
Billy Davies
Tony Mowbray
Steve Clarke
Micky Adams
Rob Jones
Michael Owen
Chris Hughton
Rene Meulensteen
Aidy Boothroyd
Iain Dowie
Ray Wilkins

Too late..........the CEO say's it's Dickov to stay.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Filo on May 05, 2014, 09:56:08 am
Totally irrelevant thread, Dickov staying, end of debate!
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Colin C No.3 on May 05, 2014, 10:04:22 am
Totally irrelevant thread, Dickov staying, end of debate!

Agreed. Let's leave it until December.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: elmsallrover on May 05, 2014, 10:13:02 am
Is it Christmas yet... :scarf:
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: RocketRover on May 05, 2014, 10:26:04 am
Billy Davies - Can't afford him.
Tony Mowbray - Can't afford him.
Steve Clarke - Can't afford him.
Micky Adams - Shall we ask Kevin Blackwell & Bryan Robson whilst we're at it?
Rob Jones - No experience
Michael Owen - No experience
Chris Hughton - Can't afford him.
Rene Meulensteen - Wouldn't be surprised if he sticks to coaching rather than management after the disaster at Fulham.
Aidy Boothroyd - Almost got Northampton relegated to the Conference this season.
Iain Dowie - Probably the most realistic name on the list, but he seemed happy on Sky Sports last time I saw him. 
Ray Wilkins - Not managed on a full-time basis for 16 years, even then his record at Fulham was questionable.

Too late..........the CEO say's it's Dickov to stay.

Happy Dickov is staying. Signed some very, very good players this season & made us competitive in the Championship; plus as he gets more experienced he'll make fewer and fewer tactical mistakes.

If we were looking at a new manager, then I'd look no further than people we are already familiar with due to their connections with us over the years: Saunders, Flynn & Wilcox. But the decision has been made and we'll go up with Dickov in charge.  :rtid:
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Lifelong supporter on May 05, 2014, 11:33:46 am
I think its gonna be more a case of who'd want to come here.. The budget wont be great,it never is  especially in league 1. Lets sit back and see who applies.... but the more I think about it, the more i want Dickov to go.

We were in the top 3 or 4 in terms of budget in Lg1 the last time. Where do you get this mis-information from?

SM can you tell us what the board's opinion is currently of Dickov?

I'm sorry I can't. It's not normally a subject I raise with the club, I have my opinion and they have theirs. They see much more of a coach ( and to be honest that's what he is) than any supporter ever does.

Does that mean things have changed since you posted this in January in answer to a similar question?

He's not going anywhere, not unless he chooses to.

I don't see your point. In January I was asked a question and I knew the answer to it. I hadn't discussed this in recent weeks therefore I didn't know the answer and stated so.

Anymore digs you want to make at me Lifelong?

You're incredibly touchy.
I wasn't making a point or having a dig, simply asking a question which you now seem to have answered.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Lifelong supporter on May 05, 2014, 11:49:14 am
Thinking back to our short list, one of the hot favourites was Lomas - he did well at Millwall?  Butcher was on there too, interesting that no one else in the championship or league one has snapped him up.

Dickov will take us up next year in second spot. Blades will be champions.

Time for our team to evolve into an attacking force which befits dickovs vision

Lomas was but a very poor interview did for him. Butcher was using us to get a pay rise at Inverness (allegedly!).

My choice would have been Michael Appleton.


And Michael Appleton is so good he's managing who exactly now?


His record as a coach is outstanding. He's the one who put together Roy Hodgsons team at WBA, and has continued to coach at various levels for the England national team. He's managed at Portsmouth, Blackburn and Blackpool. But his record as a coach is what made him attractive and realistically that's what we need at Doncaster.

Still analysing my posts Lifelong?

His record as a manager is not great and I don't see how he put together Roy Hodgson's team at WBA when he was only in charge there for one game.
Not sure why you think Dickov is more a coach and not a manager as stated in a previous post.
I thought Paul Butler, Rob Jones and others were on the coaching staff at the club.
This is not analysis by the way, just a comment.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on May 05, 2014, 03:16:54 pm
I question Dickov's man management skills, the players either do not follow his instructions on the pitch or he is bad tactically. The main reason he should be replaced is that he failed in his job in keeping Rovers in the Championship. Comparisons with Saunders are misleading, Dickov had a whole season to get it right, Saunders did not, most of the players Dickov had this past season, are his choices. My suggested replacement would be Phil Brown, had success with Hull, and is a known player motivator. Dickov needs to spend some time managing a Conference team, I think Rovers are above his current ability threshold.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on May 05, 2014, 03:19:33 pm
Equally though Dickov in fairness has built a team that competes. We aren't a bad side we just didn't get results. We need that bit of win at all costs mentality alongside Dickov's style and we'd be ok.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: hoolahoop on May 05, 2014, 04:04:03 pm
My thoughts are that on many occasions the players did NOT fully understand instructions when tactical decisions were made by the manager and that there were one or two players who thought they knew better.
The latter point could also be levelled at some posters on here who clearly think they know better than a very experienced ex-player/coach and manager.

I am firmly in the Dickov should stay camp ; he brings lots of abilities and contacts to our club. This should benefit our club next season on the promotion trail.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Bristol Red Rover on May 05, 2014, 04:41:39 pm
Equally though Dickov in fairness has built a team that competes. We aren't a bad side we just didn't get results. We need that bit of win at all costs mentality alongside Dickov's style and we'd be ok.

I agree, that seems to have been a difference this season. Though it's easy to see the "Corporal Jones" title winning 2012/13 through rose tinted specs.

=====Statto warning=====
I checked out the goal average stats over the last 3 seasons through different periods of the game which I believe shows how well we both hung on and grabbed the winners. Using total, 2nd half, and last 15 and last 10 mins, and looking at  last 10 mins divided by the total goal average giving us the relative difference in our last 10 mins effort.

I expected to see 2012/13 as being overwhelmingly better in the closing periods, and above 1.00. We were better that season but not as much as I'd expect. The last 10 mins average was better than 1.00 but only just.

It's evident that we did worse in the last periods of the games in all seasons, and particularly worse this season. Make of that what you will.

Goal average stats around this are:
2013/14 Total: 0.56 - 2nd half:0.42 - Last 15 mins: 0.25 - Last 10 mins: 0.28 - Relative difference 0.50
2012/13 1.41 - 1.61 - 1.50 - 1.09 - 0.77
2011/12 0.54 - 0.51 - 0.35 - 0.33 - 0.62
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dagenham Rover on May 05, 2014, 05:54:44 pm
http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/james-beattie-a-wanted-man/
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on May 05, 2014, 05:58:41 pm
http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/james-beattie-a-wanted-man/

Read that earlier. Have to say he has done very well with Accrington. He is the type of manager we seem to look for now, well known ex pro with contacts.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: idler on May 05, 2014, 06:34:41 pm
Isn't PD a well known ex pro with contacts?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on May 05, 2014, 06:37:17 pm
Isn't PD a well known ex pro with contacts?

Yes, that's my point. Our previous and current manager are well know ex pros with contacts. Seems to be part of the criteria.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: PDX_Rover on May 05, 2014, 06:43:30 pm
Think you have to have the right contacts nowadays. Lots of young talent out there at top clubs. Getting the mix right will be key.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: ravenrover on May 05, 2014, 07:42:57 pm
He seems to try to accommodate players instead of picking a team ie Copps and Cotts with either Duffy or Forrester (when fit), Brown and Sharp! The combinations didn't/don't work. Too attack minded which you would expect from a former striker but unable to put out effective  defensive line-up. He needs to be more ruthless even with players who run their b*lls off (Brown was my PotS by the way) but it could never be Brown and Sharp together up front. JMHO
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on May 06, 2014, 01:28:54 am
Isn't PD a well known ex pro with contacts?

Yes, that's my point. Our previous and current manager are well know ex pros with contacts. Seems to be part of the criteria.

Didn't help keeping us in the Championship. There is much more to being a good manager than having an address book of contacts.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on May 06, 2014, 08:06:58 am
It surprises me that Dickov is backed yet there's speculation about Beattie.  Typical FLJ or something in it?  Well I'd be surprised if the club would so publicly back him and then make a U turn.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on May 06, 2014, 08:45:57 am
This topic still going?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: donnybez on May 06, 2014, 09:39:19 am
Well I personally feel Dickov should stay. 1 season with lots of positives despite relegation, and hes a young upcoming manager... We shouldn't become a sacking club for the sake of results, I mean we are a 'pub team' afterall! If we start chopping and cutting, we'll end up down in the conference in no time looking even less of an attractive proposition for any manager.

For me, we need consistency, and the board to keep backing him. This season coming, if we are expected to compete then I believe strongly its a case of top 6 or bust for Dickov and a transfer budget that belies that. If he fails to hit that target then he should go, but lets not forget that with one of the smallest budgets we were very competitive this season and when he got us playing, we competed with the very best in some cases (Leicester at our place) won

RTID! COYR! Dickovs Barmy Amry!  :scarf:
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Wild Rover on May 06, 2014, 11:18:11 am
PD Is just about the best option available to DRFC at this time. He has his flaws, im sure whichever camp people are in ( PD out/in ), we can all agree on that.
Is he solely to blame for Relegation, no, not at all. Players and heirachy in the club need to shoulder some responsibility too.
But for some poor results against teams around us , teams who finished the season in bottom 6 or seven , DRFC would have survived. Blackpool , Barnsley, Birmingham, Milwall, at home, are all teams DRFC should have done better against, 1 / 2 more points from any of  those would have done it. Mind you, who would have expected Leicester/QPR/Blackburn  to lose at KMS, so I guess its as broad as it is long.
The be all and end all is the "Away" record did for DRFC.
On to next season now, lessons learned I hope.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on May 06, 2014, 05:17:11 pm
Despite cries to close this topic, its credit to the VSC Forum moderators that they have allowed this topic to continue. The position about Dickov's future is not cut and dry as some posters think. How many clubs have given their manager the vote of confidence and weeks later he is out? The same could happen to Dickov. Also the poll conducted on this suggested Rovers fans are split almost 50/50 over whether Dickov should stay or go. As other posters have said as fans we will always support the club, Doncaster Rovers, but at times not support the manager or even the Board, but doesn't mean we are disloyal to the club, because it is bigger than all of us.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: steve@dcfd on May 06, 2014, 05:22:33 pm
Despite cries to close this topic, its credit to the VSC Forum moderators that they have allowed this topic to continue. The position about Dickov's future is not cut and dry as some posters think. How many clubs have given their manager the vote of confidence and weeks later he is out? The same could happen to Dickov. Also the poll conducted on this suggested Rovers fans are split almost 50/50 over whether Dickov should stay or go. As other posters have said as fans we will always support the club, Doncaster Rovers, but at times not support the manager or even the Board, but doesn't mean we are disloyal to the club, because it is bigger than all of us.
Les if the club change the decision and relieve Dickov of his duties it must be done this week and replacement brought in quickly. We will wait and see, but I do not believe the decision will be reversed.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on May 07, 2014, 01:25:49 am
Steve, you might be right. I think the Board should have kept its own counsel for a while before backing Dickov, it would have allowed them to consider all options before making an announcement. If things go belly up under Dickov, it will be the Board and especially the CEO who will be made to look silly. A period of silence and reflection would have been a wise move.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: PDX_Rover on May 07, 2014, 01:34:55 am
Conversely if we perform very well it will be seen as a stroke of genius?? All a bit silly IMO.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: drfc1951 on May 07, 2014, 11:49:11 am
If we sack him now,then we would have to advertise for applicants.Draw up a short list , interview them then a second interview.This could take us till the end of May.Can we afford to take our time like this , when we have players out of contract some of whom we need to keep.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Lifelong supporter on May 07, 2014, 12:21:48 pm

Gavin couldn't have been clearer.
Now he must think he was wasting his time.
Dickov is staying, get over it.
Time to end the thread?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on May 07, 2014, 04:26:50 pm
If we sack him now,then we would have to advertise for applicants.Draw up a short list , interview them then a second interview.This could take us till the end of May.Can we afford to take our time like this , when we have players out of contract some of whom we need to keep.

Will the current players want to continue playing for Dickov? He has failed at L1 level, what are the chances that he will be successful? He should have dropped to conference level after Oldham and built a successful managerial record, and then like Saunders moved to league management. I hope for our sakes and for the sake of our club I am proved wrong. Sadly, his track record suggests otherwise.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: idler on May 07, 2014, 05:23:02 pm
If we sack him now,then we would have to advertise for applicants.Draw up a short list , interview them then a second interview.This could take us till the end of May.Can we afford to take our time like this , when we have players out of contract some of whom we need to keep.

Will the current players want to continue playing for Dickov? He has failed at L1 level, what are the chances that he will be successful? He should have dropped to conference level after Oldham and built a successful managerial record, and then like Saunders moved to league management. I hope for our sakes and for the sake of our club I am proved wrong. Sadly, his track record suggests otherwise.
Why don't you just give it a rest. It's going to be a long close season without you chipping in every 5 minutes with variations on a post of Dickov's not good enough. You remind me of the donkey in Shrek. "Are we there yet"?
What has happened has happened. Just let him try to repay the board for their faith in him. If it doesn't work out he will move on, it is the same at every club.  Chill.  :)
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: roversontheup on May 07, 2014, 05:30:34 pm
Steve, you might be right. I think the Board should have kept its own counsel for a while before backing Dickov, it would have allowed them to consider all options before making an announcement. If things go belly up under Dickov, it will be the Board and especially the CEO who will be made to look silly. A period of silence and reflection would have been a wise move.
I'm sure the period of silence and reflection was done prior to the end of the season.  Personally I am pleased all was considered well before the end and that the statement of intent was issued clearly and concisely so soon after our relegation.  This was no Knee jerk reaction from the club...quite the opposite!
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Filo on May 07, 2014, 07:12:37 pm

Gavin couldn't have been clearer.
Now he must think he was wasting his time.
Dickov is staying, get over it.
Time to end the thread?

Spot on!
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: pib on May 07, 2014, 08:20:38 pm
Lock it then.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on August 22, 2015, 04:59:28 pm
This is what we were saying about Dickov in 2014, all sounds strangely familiar.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: keith79 on August 22, 2015, 05:11:55 pm
Neil redfern. Glyn snodin number 2
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Scooter on August 22, 2015, 05:21:22 pm
Redfern or Jones
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on August 22, 2015, 06:06:57 pm
Jones as Interim, Redfearn as our next manager, has my vote.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: godlike1 on August 22, 2015, 06:12:06 pm
Redfearn as our new manager with Jones or snodin as his number 2
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Chris Black come back on August 22, 2015, 06:13:27 pm
Jeremy Corbyn.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on August 22, 2015, 06:15:45 pm
Not reading through all this shite, but isn't Powell the huddersfield manager, and Brian Horton now at Southend, russ Wilcox struggled like f**k at scunny in league 1.
Ridiculous suggestions
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on August 22, 2015, 06:22:43 pm
Not reading through all this shite, but isn't Powell the huddersfield manager, and Brian Horton now at Southend, russ Wilcox struggled like f*** at scunny in league 1.
Ridiculous suggestions

The suggestions of over a year ago aren't relevant now. But the issues with PD then are repeating themselves now.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on August 22, 2015, 06:24:46 pm
My mistake, didn't look at dates,
I did think 7 pages was bloody good going 😅
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on August 22, 2015, 06:30:32 pm
My mistake, didn't look at dates,
I did think 7 pages was bloody good going 😅

No probs. Sadly my comments in May 2014, have come true.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on August 23, 2015, 01:07:48 am
Duo John Sheridan and Neil Redfearn
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on August 23, 2015, 06:08:53 pm
Bump
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 06, 2015, 10:46:33 pm
Might be a timely reintroduction.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Draytonian III on September 07, 2015, 10:10:39 am
Gary Megson
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: The Red Baron on September 07, 2015, 10:24:43 am
Unless the board is going to be very bold and take a punt on a young, relatively untried manager, I guess we will have the usual suspects to choose from.

Personally I'd give Rob Jones half a dozen games, and I suspect if the axe does fall on Dickov he'll be asked to hold the fort. But of the names I've seen touted Redfearn has the most appeal. Not only because he did a reasonable job under difficult circumstances at Leeds but because he's got a history of bringing through good young players.

Megson would be a disastrous appointment because of his past record and style of football. As soon as he lost a couple of games the fans would be on his back. The fact that Redfearn is a former player and is generally respected for his efforts at Leeds would at least buy him some time.

Nigel Clough is one I considered, but I also think he's a bit of a serial underachiever, and in that respect not much of an improvement on Dickov.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: LincsRover on September 07, 2015, 10:28:29 am
Gary Megson

 :turd:
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: drfchound on September 07, 2015, 10:30:09 am
TRB, whoever eventually takes over will be unpopular with some fans, especially if he loses a few games early on.

Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: GazLaz on September 07, 2015, 10:46:45 am
TRB, whoever eventually takes over will be unpopular with some fans, especially if he loses a few games early on.



Fans just want to see progression and a desire to win and entertain. We've shown none of that recently.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: roversmad on September 07, 2015, 11:13:42 am
Paul Tisdale at Exeter would be my chioice young manager and team plays good fooball
beat league leaders 4-0 saturday
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Retdon1 on September 07, 2015, 11:40:13 am
Paul Tilesdale was always linked to be a successor to SOD when he was here. He would be a good shout if not idd go for Stuart grey, McDermott, malkey mack at or jimmy hassilbank
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: The Red Baron on September 07, 2015, 11:51:32 am
Paul Tisdale is on a two year rolling contract, which makes him almost impossible to sack and costly to poach. I wonder if he really has ambition to manage elsewhere or is happy with a virtual job for life at Exeter?

Stuart Gray- had a dreadful home record last season!

Malky MacKay - baggage, and strikes me as a bit of a chequebook manager.

Hasselbaink- doubt he'd be interested.

McDermott - a good shout, assuming he's not holding out for a Championship job.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on September 07, 2015, 11:53:43 am
Dean Smith would be my first choice. Redfearn second.

I'd give Jones 5 games or so just see how he does. May as well this season is already done with.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on September 07, 2015, 12:02:07 pm
Dean Smith would be my first choice. Redfearn second.

I'd give Jones 5 games or so just see how he does. May as well this season is already done with.

Pretty much this. But it needs to be quick.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: The Red Baron on September 07, 2015, 12:06:22 pm
Dean Smith would be my first choice. Redfearn second.

I'd give Jones 5 games or so just see how he does. May as well this season is already done with.

Is it? I don't think you can write the season off just yet, although I do think the longer it takes the board to grasp the nettle, the less likely it is that we could reach the play offs.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on September 07, 2015, 12:42:12 pm
Still Redfearn for me, although Smith would be a good choice, except he's in a job and I can't see him wanting to leave Walsall just yet.

Redfearn represents all we want in a manager. Some good experience, good coaching background, wanting to play football the right way and promotes youth.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Draytonian III on September 07, 2015, 12:51:20 pm
Gary Megson has plenty of experience, and we wouldn't have to pay compensation or moving costs
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on September 07, 2015, 12:52:35 pm
Season done with, don't be daft.
You can see from last year if you put a run together even after 35 games you can get into playoffs.
At minute were 4/5 points off
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on September 07, 2015, 12:53:40 pm
Gary Megson has plenty of experience, and we wouldn't have to pay compensation or moving costs

Megson no chance, terrible manager.
What about graham taylor?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Canadian Rover on September 07, 2015, 12:54:08 pm
Rob Jones.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: ravenrover on September 07, 2015, 12:56:48 pm
I like the way he is getting his excuses in early these days

Pre Gillingham “They’re a good team who’ve had a good start and they were one of my tips to surprise everyone this year,” said Dickov.

Pre Walsall “It should have been three clean sheets in a week and we now go on to facing a good Walsall next week.”

Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: LincsRover on September 07, 2015, 01:04:16 pm
Gary Megson has plenty of experience, and we wouldn't have to pay compensation or moving costs

Draytonian, the only explanation for banging on about Megson is that you are either his agent or a very close friend and I claim my £5!!

Never!! I'd rather keep PD, or even PDs lesser talented, less experienced little brother who has no coaching badges and works in McDonald's than go down the disaster area that is Megson!!

 :suicide:
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Copps is Magic on September 07, 2015, 01:15:15 pm
Eight page discussion on Dickov's replacement .... no signs he's even leaving!

lol at all this wish-fulfilment.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: wing commander on September 07, 2015, 01:26:03 pm
  Yep but I do think things have progressed..Dickov was rumbling along with no real pressure from the fans..Okay everybody has moaned on the message boards but we weren't seeing any real displeasure at matches..But that's changing and it wont be long before we get the loud Dickov out chants unless things change quickly...They have had to wheel Butler out to give a interview about the importance of sticking together a sure sign there trying to quell the impending storm that another goaless performance and defeat will bring...He is under the cosh now and he knows it so he needs to produce from Now else I cant see him lasting much longer...
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Chris Black come back on September 07, 2015, 01:49:32 pm
Despite some of the hotheads on here, I think by and large we are a reasonable bunch generally.

Most folk understand that the SOD days are not going to come back - not least maybe until we get the club on a firm financial footing in the medium-long term as planned.

What we do expect though is some sign of something, anything remotely approaching progress in the way the team performs - not even results necessarily.

When SOD went 20 plus games without a win, at worst it was a third out, two thirds keep. Why? Because we knew that he had delivered good stuff in the past and had the ability to do it again.

Have we improved in any way over the last two and a half years? Is the football better? Are the tactics clearer? Are players putting in better performances? Can we point to anything on the last few years to want to replicate again?

Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Copps is Magic on September 07, 2015, 02:34:08 pm
They've given him money to sign three loan signings (if the third comes off). Dickov has chosen these players. They've also got a board meeting today so if we don't hear anything by the end of the day these two facts lead me to believe Dickov is going no where in a hurry.

I think he'll be given time to see how these new signings get-on and whether they improve us at all.

Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: tommy toes on September 07, 2015, 02:43:13 pm
I would imagine Tisdale has been approached regularly by other chairmen and he's still at Exeter. Must like the weather down there.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: wing commander on September 07, 2015, 02:44:34 pm
  In some ways that's fair enough,history has proven on occasions that a board strong enough to stick with there man when nobody else wants to does pay off...I'm not sure in this case though..lol
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Alan Southstand on September 07, 2015, 02:50:22 pm
The Board are probably going to stick with him becuase he is the cheap option! That is the only reason I can think of thats in his favour!

Supporter Numbers are going to have to tail off alarmingly before they'll do anything, by the looks of it! Otherwise, he would have been sacked this morning (or preferably during last summer :headbang:)
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Copps is Magic on September 07, 2015, 03:00:27 pm
I'm not sure a change of manager would make much difference to our finances. Am I correct in saying Dickov is still on a rolling contract? Depending on the particulars he wouldn't be due any/much compensation.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Yorkiered on September 07, 2015, 04:33:02 pm
I'm not sure a change of manager would make much difference to our finances. Am I correct in saying Dickov is still on a rolling contract? Depending on the particulars he wouldn't be due any/much compensation.

I make it 12 months  :lol:
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 07, 2015, 06:27:41 pm
I think if things haven't improved after the tenth League game then the pressure for the Board to act will be overwhelming and PD will have to go. Supporters patience only lasts so long.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: vietaff on September 07, 2015, 07:01:54 pm
The Board are probably going to stick with him becuase he is the cheap option! That is the only reason I can think of thats in his favour!

Supporter Numbers are going to have to tail off alarmingly before they'll do anything, by the looks of it! Otherwise, he would have been sacked this morning (or preferably during last summer :headbang:)

'Supporterd number will have to tail off'

Anymore not turning up to the KM and there will be no fans there.
All these names been banded are well and good but as a manager would you be Interested in taking over the reigns.

Sadly Dickov and the next manager and the next manager are going to be limited with finances - you can only spend what you make and with gates as low as they are DRFC aren't an eye opening proposition.

I'd say the next 10-15 years are critical for the club - these 'young uns' will be the clubs bread and butter, and if the marketing team had anything about them, all schools in the Doncaster and surrounding areas will have visits offering the chance to purchase a season ticket for say £20 and this will be fixed until the child turns 16.
By this time the child is a fully fledged drfc supporter and continues to buy a season ticket at the full cost.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: drfchound on September 07, 2015, 07:55:10 pm
A good plan............   If only it was that easy eh.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Alan Southstand on September 08, 2015, 11:09:36 am
Quote
Anymore not turning up to the KM and there will be no fans there.

Well, the trend is definately downwards and the more this guy is left in charge, then the spiral will continue. To think just a few seasons ago, we had approx 8000 sth's. Not exactly improving is it? No doubt the stats gurus on here can make a valid case for why we are where we are without the PD factor being a reason for it!
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: drfchound on September 08, 2015, 11:13:05 am
8000 season ticket holders?
Is that right?
What season?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Lifelong supporter on September 08, 2015, 11:35:56 am
8000 season ticket holders?
Is that right?
What season?

 Maybe 1955...
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: drfchound on September 08, 2015, 11:40:01 am
More likely never.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Alan Southstand on September 08, 2015, 12:00:48 pm
Check back yourself, you're more than capable and you don't need to go back too far.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: drfchound on September 08, 2015, 12:26:44 pm
Well Alan, in the limited time i have had since your challenge i saw that we sold 5000 in our first promotion season to the Championship and the Free press reported at the end of that season that there had been an increased interest for the following season but nowhere does it show the amount sold.
However, our average gate the following season was 10991 and that obviously included away fans, followed by a 10281 average the following season.
There is no way that our STH sales would be 8000 out of those figures so i will have to ask you to prove me wrong please.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 08, 2015, 05:05:15 pm
Redfearn
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 08, 2015, 05:14:09 pm
Another suggestion John Sheridan, who like Penney left the South to return to the North!
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on September 08, 2015, 05:16:41 pm
Never had close to 8000 season tickets
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 08, 2015, 05:34:41 pm
Paul Jewell would be a good call, did ok at Bradford.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: PDX_Rover on September 08, 2015, 05:39:45 pm
Not Paul "sweaty nightclub" Jewell. Please no.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: mushRTID on September 08, 2015, 05:42:36 pm
Maybe Danny Wilson will be trying to fill up his South Yorkshire bingo card?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: ravenrover on September 08, 2015, 06:18:16 pm
Parkinson seems to have vanished from some of our wishlists!

Not my choice though
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: drfchound on September 08, 2015, 06:34:53 pm
Steve Cotterill
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Copps is Magic on September 08, 2015, 06:35:38 pm
Dave Kitson.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: PDX_Rover on September 08, 2015, 06:41:57 pm
Howard Wilkinson (shudder)
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: South West Rover on September 08, 2015, 06:48:05 pm
Whoever replaces him, I would like it to be someone who is keen to not only develop our youth but give them plenty of game time too.  They couldn't do much worse and it would mean less of a lottery each season, signing cast offs and out of favour players.  Be nice to see some quality players come through and want to stay.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: PDX_Rover on September 08, 2015, 06:55:43 pm
Bobby Davro.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: nice one rovers on September 08, 2015, 07:01:19 pm
It is Neil Redfern.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on September 08, 2015, 07:03:47 pm
It'll be redfern but I would love mcdermott.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: drfchound on September 08, 2015, 07:07:31 pm
Would we be allowed to sing the Leeds scum song if either of them got the job?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: ravenrover on September 08, 2015, 07:20:14 pm
Whoever replaces him, I would like it to be someone who is keen to not only develop our youth but give them plenty of game time too.  They couldn't do much worse and it would mean less of a lottery each season, signing cast offs and out of favour players.  Be nice to see some quality players come through and want to stay.
There is definitely a time to bring in the youngsters but I am afraid now is not that time especially for a new manager. Jones is already on record as saying the majority are not yet ready, of the ones that have been thrown in only Middleton and Paul McKay? look anywhere near in my opinion I can't see a new manager wanting to utilise the youngsters to achieve top 6 and would and would be looking to make a mark, I'm afraid it's the loan market or freebies for this season
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: drfchound on September 08, 2015, 07:21:31 pm
I am agreeing with that too.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 08, 2015, 07:40:20 pm
Not Steve Evans, he carries around more luggage than a hotel Bell Boy.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 08, 2015, 08:36:35 pm
Long shot Gary Brabin
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: normal rules on September 08, 2015, 08:52:52 pm
Of the recent managers, Driscoll, Saunders and Dickov, which of them if any were predicted?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Al4475 on September 08, 2015, 08:58:52 pm
McDermott with Redfearn as no2 please!
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: MrWoodySir on September 08, 2015, 08:59:46 pm
Long shot Gary Brabin
Currently already has the fans on his back at non-league Tranmere.

No thanks.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 08, 2015, 09:22:12 pm
No one has mentioned John Sheridan.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Al4475 on September 08, 2015, 09:23:30 pm
Hmmm I reckon there's a few could give you loads of reasons for that Les!
Title: New manager
Post by: Donnyss on September 08, 2015, 11:37:18 pm
A lot of people being mentioned but what do you think of Brian deane  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Draytonian III on September 08, 2015, 11:46:53 pm
John Sheridan, the ONLY player I have ever booed, he should have worn a mask a nd carried a bag with "Swag" written on ,because he pinched his wages ,lazy bas**rd
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: thorne viking on September 09, 2015, 12:58:49 am
I dont want to be be disrespectful of richie wellens because he has been a good player for us over the years,but he is now at the stage of his career that sheridan was,we all get to the point even if you offered  $1m dollers a week when your legs have gone they've gone

..
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Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 10, 2015, 03:59:59 pm
Every man and his dog is starting new manager's post. This is the original!
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: ScillyRover on September 10, 2015, 11:45:24 pm
Every man and his dog is starting new manager's post. This is the original!
Probably because every man and his dog is being named ss a potential replacement for PD ! :)
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: NickDRFC on September 10, 2015, 11:59:39 pm
Every man and his dog is starting new manager's post. This is the original!

Could the VSC perhaps organise some fundraising to get you the medal you so richly deserve for starting it?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 11, 2015, 01:08:40 am
Every man and his dog is starting new manager's post. This is the original!

Could the VSC perhaps organise some fundraising to get you the medal you so richly deserve for starting it?

I've now got to get the chest to pin it on.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 11, 2015, 01:11:23 am
Back to topic. Phil Brown, might want a move back north and might want DP to be his No. 2.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 11, 2015, 07:47:12 pm
Mick McCarthy would do a great job for us, if he wanted a new challenge.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on September 11, 2015, 07:48:26 pm
What about wenger
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 11, 2015, 07:50:19 pm
What about wenger

Rovers would have to sell the Keepmoat to get Wenger.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on September 11, 2015, 07:59:57 pm
We've as much chance as getting wenger as we have McCarthy
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Askern_reds on September 11, 2015, 08:22:24 pm
for us to get a new manager will cost, theyl want to bring there own back room staff, maybe 2 to 3 players of there own do you honestly think this lot will splash out, no way it's going to be a typical rovers think I'll start checking train prices now for the likes of Wimbledon Ect, so for me rj will get it cheap option and down we go
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on September 11, 2015, 08:53:22 pm
Typical rovers?
Dickov brought all his own staff in as did Saunders as did sod
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Askern_reds on September 11, 2015, 08:59:53 pm
Typical rovers?
Dickov brought all his own staff in as did Saunders as did sod
and players and how many
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: graingrover on September 11, 2015, 09:29:10 pm
Can we transfer some of our posters ?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on September 11, 2015, 09:56:26 pm
Typical rovers?
Dickov brought all his own staff in as did Saunders as did sod
and players and how many

You said rovers wouldn't spend money on back room staff, but they have with every other appointment
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Bristol Red Rover on September 11, 2015, 09:57:28 pm
Big Sam??
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Donnyss on September 11, 2015, 10:33:47 pm
Graeme Jones
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Sammy Chung was King on September 11, 2015, 10:55:29 pm
Big Sam??

She retired from page three years ago.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Snods Shinpad 2 on September 12, 2015, 10:43:56 am
Not sure it's been mentioned earlier in the thread, but I seem to recall reading somewhere that Bramall (or maybe Watson) was matey with Neil Warnock.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Askern_reds on September 12, 2015, 10:50:58 am
Not sure it's been mentioned earlier in the thread, but I seem to recall reading somewhere that Bramall (or maybe Watson) was matey with Neil Warnock.
mmmmmm. good shout excelent at this and championship level, wonder what odds you'll get for him
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: IDM on September 12, 2015, 10:58:09 am
I mentioned Colin on another thread a few days ago...

I doubt it though, doesn't he live in Cornwall now?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: knockers on September 12, 2015, 11:08:50 am
He lives in Looe not far from Richard Madeley and ex referee Martin Bodenham.
The local quay club has loads of Sheffield Utd signed shirts and a few from other clubs he has managed.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: ScillyRover on September 12, 2015, 02:35:37 pm
I mentioned Colin on another thread a few days ago...

I doubt it though, doesn't he live in Cornwall now?
In Looe ... I'll nip over and have a word in his ear :)
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Bristol Red Rover on September 12, 2015, 02:49:19 pm
Redfern watching Oldham V Peterboro today according to Twitter.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on September 12, 2015, 02:51:35 pm
Redfern watching Oldham V Peterboro today according to Twitter.

That's the problem with a long selection process, candidates could get snapped up.

If the board have their hearts set on Redfearn I think they should just go and get him before they lose out.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 12, 2015, 05:41:12 pm
Agree.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: bfdoncaster west on September 12, 2015, 05:58:24 pm
get Graeme Jones
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 12, 2015, 06:09:27 pm
get Graeme Jones

Is he ready to be a Manager, rather than a No.2
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on September 12, 2015, 07:28:18 pm
He's surely as ready as redfearn
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: drfchound on September 12, 2015, 08:49:08 pm
I still dont get this clamour for Redfearn lads.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on September 12, 2015, 08:50:16 pm
Me neither
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on September 12, 2015, 08:54:07 pm
Sounds like Redfearn will be the new Oldham mananger.

Good news for us I think.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 12, 2015, 10:47:06 pm
Not according to Oldham, they are not looking for applications for the manager's job at the moment.

I'm sure Refearn would consider both Rovers and Oldham as possible managerial positions. If he is Leeds based, Rovers would be closer.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Sammy Chung was King on September 13, 2015, 02:50:15 am
We have more chance of getting ''Wonga'' as our sponsor than Wenger, and as for Colin the Cleaner, get some saw dust put in his tractor, we like our football played along the grass as nature intended.
As Brian Clough said ''IF Football was meant to be played in the air, then him upstairs would have built pitches up there''!.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 13, 2015, 03:53:22 am
Sammy, who would be your choice of manager? I wonder if the Board might go outside the box and get a Technical Director and a manager. TD being someone like Howard Wilkinson, and an up coming young manager to work alongside him. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Copps is Magic on September 13, 2015, 10:22:51 am
OK, I'm moving closer to the opinion we should attempt to get Smith and RO'K from Walsall and bring Bradshaw with them.

Still fully behind Jones though.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Jonathan on September 13, 2015, 11:31:39 am
OK, I'm moving closer to the opinion we should attempt to get Smith and RO'K from Walsall and bring Bradshaw with them.

That would be a very expensive transaction! And, looking at it objectively, not a great step up for them.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Copps is Magic on September 13, 2015, 11:43:29 am
I'd chip in a tenner if they want to do a squadbuilder fund.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: The Red Baron on September 13, 2015, 11:57:44 am
Bradshaw would surely be priced at a couple of million. He'll surely have Championship clubs after him in January.

Smith is very much Walsall man and boy, so would be reluctant to move unless a much bigger club than us came for him. Not sure R'OK would come back to us anyway, but I seem to recall he left S'OD because he needed to work closer to his home in the midlands.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Copps is Magic on September 13, 2015, 12:02:12 pm
I'm not sure he's quite reached the plural millions yet. Swindon put a bid in for him in the summer and they don't have that much cash.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on September 13, 2015, 12:46:20 pm
Smith said on the radio yesterday they've received no bids this summer for him
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Copps is Magic on September 13, 2015, 12:51:13 pm
He's changed his mind then because he said in the summer he believed Swindon had made a bid. I find it hard to believe there hasn't been other bids/ contacts with a view to a bid - I'd imagine there's dozens of clubs looking at him. Smith's going to say and do all he can to keep him there.

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/walsall-fc/2015/08/15/walsall-reject-swindon-bid-for-bradshaw/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/walsall-fc/2015/08/15/walsall-reject-swindon-bid-for-bradshaw/)
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on September 13, 2015, 01:04:37 pm
He was asked if he was happy to have kept him and he replied, "we've kept him because we didn't receive any offers for him"
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: RedArmy on September 13, 2015, 01:35:12 pm
Heres a shout.

Gareth Ainsworth from Wycombe.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on September 13, 2015, 02:13:34 pm
Heres a shout.

Gareth Ainsworth from Wycombe.

He fit's the ex pro lots of contacts mould of our last two managers. Suprised he hasn't been mentioned more, done a really good job with Wycombe.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 13, 2015, 04:13:06 pm
Graeme Lee, if interested in management, like Jones takes no prisoners.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 13, 2015, 04:22:29 pm
I also think Lee does have his coaching badges, did them at Rovers.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: drfc1951 on September 13, 2015, 05:06:59 pm
Brian Deane,ive also read that Robbie Fowler is looking to get into management.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Wade Falana on September 13, 2015, 05:45:05 pm
He's changed his mind then because he said in the summer he believed Swindon had made a bid. I find it hard to believe there hasn't been other bids/ contacts with a view to a bid - I'd imagine there's dozens of clubs looking at him. Smith's going to say and do all he can to keep him there.

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/walsall-fc/2015/08/15/walsall-reject-swindon-bid-for-bradshaw/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/walsall-fc/2015/08/15/walsall-reject-swindon-bid-for-bradshaw/)

We offered him £3k a week in the summer but he does'nt want to uproot his family at the moment. He signed an improved contract with Walsall but is nowhere near what we offered him. Just didn't fancy a move to us.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: DonnyNoel on September 13, 2015, 06:44:02 pm
Heres a shout.

Gareth Ainsworth from Wycombe.

He's certainly hovered around the top of L2 for a while, albeit playing ugly football. He played for Lincoln for ages (and has Mad Baz as a coach) so maybe he as roots around here?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 13, 2015, 10:57:17 pm
Ady Pennock FGR, 100% start, has a winning mentality.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 15, 2015, 12:13:15 am
bump
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Sammy Chung was King on September 15, 2015, 02:56:37 am
A player like Bradshaw you need to get him very early, now it's too late, he will join a bigger club when he leaves!.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on September 15, 2015, 02:01:58 pm
Brian McDermott seems to be out of the running for the Peterborough job. Gone from odds on favourite to 9/1. Graham Westley is now the favourite...lol

Hopefully McDermott has some interest in joining us, as much as I want Jones to get it McDermott would be a fantastic appointment.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: PopStander on September 15, 2015, 03:09:27 pm
Brian McDermott would be a ridiculously good appointment, but I can't see it personally.

I can still see it being Neil Redfern, even with how long they are dragging it out, I do hope the lengthy process is for good reason.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: silent majority on September 15, 2015, 04:00:45 pm
You have to carry out due diligence, that takes time.

Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: grayx on September 15, 2015, 04:26:08 pm
You have to carry out due diligence, that takes time.



true, but it didnt help much last time.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 15, 2015, 11:08:31 pm
You have to carry out due diligence, that takes time.

SM, I don't want to come across thick. But what sort of due diligence are you talking about? It can be interpreted in a number of ways.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: PDX_Rover on September 16, 2015, 03:43:08 am
McDermott, with Redders as his #2 and the corporal would be amazing IMO
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: bedale rover on September 16, 2015, 08:20:43 am
You have to carry out due diligence, that takes time.

SM, I don't want to come across thick. But what sort of due diligence are you talking about? It can be interpreted in a number of ways.
Are they on FIFA's banned list have got convictions ie driving bans or sexual offences are they still under contract are their references kosher are they who they say they are
Just off the top of my head
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: The Red Baron on September 16, 2015, 09:40:49 am
We wouldn't want another Ron Meades on our hands either!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952%E2%80%9353_Colchester_United_F.C._season
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: BRMC_rover on September 16, 2015, 04:33:56 pm
Id like to see us interview Paul Pesh, Nigel Clough or Brian McDermott.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Yorkiered on September 16, 2015, 04:47:59 pm
I don't think the job has been advertised yet has it?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 16, 2015, 06:12:18 pm
You have to carry out due diligence, that takes time.

SM, I don't want to come across thick. But what sort of due diligence are you talking about? It can be interpreted in a number of ways.
Are they on FIFA's banned list have got convictions ie driving bans or sexual offences are they still under contract are their references kosher are they who they say they are
Just off the top of my head

Thanks br.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on September 16, 2015, 06:32:04 pm
Plus making sure their stated achievements on their CV match up to reality. Are their coaching qualifications genuine?           
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 17, 2015, 03:31:46 pm
Which badges does Jones have? Is qualified to be a manager?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Alan Southstand on September 17, 2015, 03:47:59 pm
I don't think it matters, Les. These are the criteria:

Applicants will be required to demonstrate their ability to satisfy the following criteria:-

•    A working knowledge of the SkyBet Football League or its equivalent

•    Success in managing a playing budget

•    Excellent contacts within the Football community

•    Proven track record of developing a Youth structure and pathway

•    A commitment to the local community

•    A proven leader with a proven track record

•    A pleasing and willing personality
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: silent majority on September 17, 2015, 04:08:59 pm
Which badges does Jones have? Is qualified to be a manager?

Jones completed his UEFA A License in the summer and will begin an applied management course next year as he works towards the arbitrary qualifications required in modern coaching.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Wild Rover on September 17, 2015, 04:25:20 pm
How does RJ fit in with the 2,4 6 points?.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Lifelong supporter on September 17, 2015, 04:49:04 pm
Which badges does Jones have? Is qualified to be a manager?

Jones completed his UEFA A License in the summer and will begin an applied management course next year as he works towards the arbitrary qualifications required in modern coaching.

Hope the Free Press don't sue you for plagiarism.
That's taken word for word from a piece by Liam Hoden on the Free Press website today.
http://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/doncaster-rovers/rovers-news/doncaster-rovers-no-hiding-jones-desire-for-permanent-position-1-7463629
Not like you to quote a lazy journalist SM.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: silent majority on September 17, 2015, 04:54:26 pm
Which badges does Jones have? Is qualified to be a manager?

Jones completed his UEFA A License in the summer and will begin an applied management course next year as he works towards the arbitrary qualifications required in modern coaching.

Hope the Free Press don't sue you for plagiarism.
That's taken word for word from a piece by Liam Hoden on the Free Press website today.
http://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/doncaster-rovers/rovers-news/doncaster-rovers-no-hiding-jones-desire-for-permanent-position-1-7463629
Not like you to quote a lazy journalist SM.


It was meant to be a quote, phone failed me whilst cut and pasting. I certainly wasn't after any credit just answering someone's question.

But plagiarism? Don't make me laugh. You journalists are a humorous bunch aren't you?   :zzz:
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: PDX_Rover on September 17, 2015, 05:05:33 pm
Lifelong Supporter is a journalist?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on September 17, 2015, 06:08:43 pm
Well I'm pleased to hear Holloway has ruled himself out.

I think he would be great in a short term capacity, motivating players but IMO lacking a bit in the long term vision and coaching.

I don't know what you all think, but I think we need that long term vision and nailing down an identity in the way we want to play the game.

Or, should I say restoring the identity we'd earned. The Swansea model was pretty much our model. You have to take your hat off to Swansea who have insisted on doing it their way and making sure successive managers have a belief in on the deck football as a backbone.

That shouldn't eliminate the other man management skills needed.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Bessie Red on September 17, 2015, 06:18:49 pm
We wouldn't want another Ron Meades on our hands either!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952%E2%80%9353_Colchester_United_F.C._season


How the hell did you find that RB!!
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: The Red Baron on September 17, 2015, 06:37:12 pm
We wouldn't want another Ron Meades on our hands either!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952%E2%80%9353_Colchester_United_F.C._season


How the hell did you find that RB!!

I knew about Colchester employing a manager with a dodgy CV from something I read a while back. I searched the internet and managed to find the details.

It couldn't happen now, of course.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Bessie Red on September 17, 2015, 06:41:17 pm
It's a wonderful thing the interweb!!
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 18, 2015, 02:31:01 am
Back to topic. Howard Wilkinson Director of Football, Neil Redfearn as manager.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: silent majority on September 18, 2015, 08:55:32 am
Sorry, Howard Wilkinson is a dinosaur.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Lifelong supporter on September 18, 2015, 10:04:33 am
Sorry, Howard Wilkinson is a dinosaur.

On that we can agree.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: The Red Baron on September 18, 2015, 10:17:28 am
Back to topic. Howard Wilkinson Director of Football, Neil Redfearn as manager.

Howard Wilkinson? No thanks!

Do we need a DoF anyway? Either they are a glorified Chief Scout or they spend time second-guessing the manager. I'd rather see the board appoint a manager in whom they have enough confidence to let him manage.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: The Dav on September 18, 2015, 10:51:24 am
For me id love to see Copps involved in some way  ! Maybe assistant to Rob Jones, and create a legacy like Swansea have done with Gary Monk.....keep it in the Rovers family, I'm convinced that not too far in the distant future Copps will manage our beloved Rovers....thought ?

Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: The Red Baron on September 18, 2015, 11:50:11 am
For me id love to see Copps involved in some way  ! Maybe assistant to Rob Jones, and create a legacy like Swansea have done with Gary Monk.....keep it in the Rovers family, I'm convinced that not too far in the distant future Copps will manage our beloved Rovers....thought ?



I think I may have asked this before, but has Copps any interest in coaching? One would expect him to be doing his badges now if he had.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: swintonrover on September 18, 2015, 12:21:31 pm
Sentiment would rule over sense. We all love Copps for what he's done over the last decade. Appoint him as manager, and short of being a Ferguson or Gradi, it would tarnish the good times. Same reason I don't want Jones to have the job. It'll hurt more if he fails.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on September 18, 2015, 12:31:50 pm
Copps has said he's a here and now person and is concentrating fully on being a player. Says he'll think about the future when he needs to.

I would have thought if he was interested he would have started his badges by now.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on September 18, 2015, 05:57:06 pm
But Jones clearly wants it and must have a great chance. I don't know enough about his style of play though to judge him. The next few weeks will tell...
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 18, 2015, 06:42:47 pm
I think a Director of Football is needed if we hire a young manager. The DOF would guide and advice the manager in all things management, a kind of mentor.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Yorkiered on September 18, 2015, 08:00:11 pm
An interesting question for those who claim to be itk. At the U21 game on Wednesday. Why was Brian Horton in the camera/sky area at the back of the west stand?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Copps is Magic on September 18, 2015, 08:43:49 pm
Scouting I imagine. Works at Southend doesn't he?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Sammy Chung was King on September 19, 2015, 02:36:16 am
Win games.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: DRNaith on September 19, 2015, 04:02:40 pm
Adkins is sitting near me, it's obvious why he's at the game. What worries me is that Brian Laws is also sitting with him.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 19, 2015, 04:35:39 pm
is Laws out of work?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Rovers91 on September 19, 2015, 05:03:34 pm
Adkins is sitting near me, it's obvious why he's at the game. What worries me is that Brian Laws is also sitting with him.

They will be mates from Scunny wouldn't read too much into that.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Filo on September 19, 2015, 05:25:52 pm
Who should replace Dickov?

On that performance today, not Jones!
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on September 19, 2015, 06:55:27 pm
Can't go off 1 or 2 games surely
What we gonna do if the new manager doesn't win any of his first 3 games?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Sammy Chung was King on September 20, 2015, 11:36:58 pm
One possible manager, somebody nobody has so far mentioned.
Our ex-centre half Chris Swailes, has worked as a number two at Hamilton, under the current manager, and maybe Alex Neill when he was there, i think has also managed at youth level for Ipswich and Hamilton.
Resigned from Hamilton a good few months ago, looking for a job back in England, preferably the northern part of the country, he could be a shock appointment!.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Colemans Left Hook on September 20, 2015, 11:47:35 pm
Would appointing him bring "any baggage" ? 
meaning has he "still"got any old Hamilton shirts at home   wondered where Japan got those rugby shirts from   :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
 
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Sammy Chung was King on September 21, 2015, 12:10:57 am
He would fit a lot of the requirements, plus the wages wouldn't be massive as he is a manager just starting out, while he has been at Hamilton the football they try to play, is what you see Neill doing at Norwich.
On the floor, easy on the eye, keeping hold of the ball not wasting it, with a winger on each side, obviously Hamilton are not as good, but Neill did a cracking job up there, and Canning has carried it on, not to the same success level obviously.
I am assuming that Chris would try to play the same way, and moving here is not far from the north east to commute.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Lifelong supporter on September 21, 2015, 10:19:26 am
Swailes is another tainted with Richardson connections.
Not for me.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on September 21, 2015, 10:25:09 am
Malky Mckay?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Copps is Magic on September 21, 2015, 10:37:37 am
This would be my preference (unlikely in brackets).

1. Jones
2. Smith/ROK
3. Clough

(4. McDermott)
(5. SOD)

Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: The Red Baron on September 21, 2015, 10:43:08 am
This would be my preference (unlikely in brackets).

1. Jones
2. Smith/ROK
3. Clough

(4. McDermott)
(5. SOD)



I think you can put 2. In brackets as well. I'd love to see it but I can't see Smith leaving Walsall unless for a much bigger job. RO'K might not want to come back here either.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: The Red Baron on September 21, 2015, 10:49:36 am
Swailes is another tainted with Richardson connections.
Not for me.

Swailes was signed by Richardson, as was Jones and many others. But were they close to him?

For all his many faults, I thought Richardson was a reasonable judge of talent, at least in terms of those who could make the step from non-League to the professional game. Not unlike Barry Fry in that respect.

And before any lawyers get involved I'm in no way suggesting that Barry Fry is a crook!
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Copps is Magic on September 21, 2015, 10:57:04 am
I think you can put 2. In brackets as well. I'd love to see it but I can't see Smith leaving Walsall unless for a much bigger job. RO'K might not want to come back here either.

I can't see a championship team coming in for him (especially when there's the likes of Pearson, McDermott out of a job). His record doesn't read as exceptional on paper - its the style of play on a small budget we're after. His best chance is staying at Walsall and going for promotion. That's probably what Hasselbaink is thinking at Burton when he ruled himself out of the Peterborough job.

Whether Burton and Walsall can sustain it is another question. Yeovil and Colchester did it but it's rare.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: The Red Baron on September 21, 2015, 11:06:48 am
Don't get me wrong - I think Smith ticks a heck of a lot of boxes. Just that I think he'd be reluctant to leave Walsall unless a very much better offer came along. He started his playing career at Walsall and is very popular there, which has got him through some sticky patches.

Also, the way we are running the selection process means he'd have to apply for the job. To get someone like Smith we'd need to head-hunt him, like JR did with SO'D.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: bobbymax on September 21, 2015, 11:19:49 am
Smith may be tempted by a bigger budget, club and squad but I don't know if ROK would be keen to move from the Midlands
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Alan Southstand on September 21, 2015, 11:41:30 am
Jones as a No2 only. He has a lot to learn - particularly how to pick a decent side!
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 21, 2015, 12:16:44 pm
Jones as a No2 only. He has a lot to learn - particularly how to pick a decent side!

What would happen to Jones if the new manager wants to bring in his own No.2 and backroom staff? Maybe youth team?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Alan Southstand on September 21, 2015, 12:25:56 pm
Back in the squad and Development Manager, I would think. If he thinks he's better than that now, well I suppose he'll leave, but I think RJ has the Club at heart and he knows you have to be patient in this game. His chance will come at some point.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: DonnyNoel on September 21, 2015, 12:44:32 pm
Back in the squad and Development Manager, I would think. If he thinks he's better than that now, well I suppose he'll leave, but I think RJ has the Club at heart and he knows you have to be patient in this game. His chance will come at some point.

I would think therein may lay his problem re becoming a new managers #2 - are they likely to employ someone whose presence impacts on his job security during a bad spell or stick with a safe, trusted assistant who the board wouldn't be tempted to sack him in favour of?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on September 21, 2015, 12:46:14 pm
I think much would depend on what Jones says at interview and how he wants to do things, things we don't really know.  I've outlined a few potential questions below.  These are things I would want to know if employing Jones and that tells us more about what he wants to achieve than the last 2 games.  If he wants a radical change on the pitch then it's clear the last few games tell us nothing.

In terms of moving forwards, I would suggest that you'd want to know these things to weight up what manager you would want to go with.  I saw another thread on this about job description etc, this is probably more interview questions....

It would actually also be interesting to see what forum posters would do if faced with these questions, to see just what we all want

1. What style of play do you want to employ? IE what is your vision for the playing style etc?
2. What are your preferred formations?
3. What are the current weaknesses and how do you believe you will address them.
4. How radical a change do you forsee we need in the first team?
5. What potential signings do you want?  Maybe not names, but positions/type of player.
6. What backroom staff/team do you want to see?  Including which of the existing should remain.
7. How quickly do you believe you can get the team playing your way and how?
8. Ultimately what do you think can be achieved as a target and by when?
9. Do you wish to see any infrastructure changes and if so what?  IE new facilities or changes to the culture of the youth system etc.
10. What squad size do you wish to see and numbers in each position?
11. Finally do you own a pen?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Lifelong supporter on September 21, 2015, 05:14:03 pm
Swailes is another tainted with Richardson connections.
Not for me.

Swailes was signed by Richardson, as was Jones and many others. But were they close to him?

For all his many faults, I thought Richardson was a reasonable judge of talent, at least in terms of those who could make the step from non-League to the professional game. Not unlike Barry Fry in that respect.

And before any lawyers get involved I'm in no way suggesting that Barry Fry is a crook!

Jones was VERY close to Richardson and the story goes that he complained after one match about Mike Jeffrey not passing the ball to him and good old Ken said never mind son I'll get rid of him - and he did, very soon after that game! Swailes was one of the players who Richardson proudly said called him Uncle Ken! I presume when you said he was a reasonable judge of talent you're not counting Sam Daho, Padi Wilson, the Esdailles, the goalie who played against Brighton, Cunningham, Finley etc.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Yorkiered on September 21, 2015, 05:27:41 pm
Darren Moore?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: The Red Baron on September 21, 2015, 06:16:49 pm
Swailes is another tainted with Richardson connections.
Not for me.

Swailes was signed by Richardson, as was Jones and many others. But were they close to him?

For all his many faults, I thought Richardson was a reasonable judge of talent, at least in terms of those who could make the step from non-League to the professional game. Not unlike Barry Fry in that respect.

And before any lawyers get involved I'm in no way suggesting that Barry Fry is a crook!

Jones was VERY close to Richardson and the story goes that he complained after one match about Mike Jeffrey not passing the ball to him and good old Ken said never mind son I'll get rid of him - and he did, very soon after that game! Swailes was one of the players who Richardson proudly said called him Uncle Ken! I presume when you said he was a reasonable judge of talent you're not counting Sam Daho, Padi Wilson, the Esdailles, the goalie who played against Brighton, Cunningham, Finley etc.

No, I'm not referring to the later players. By then Richardson and Weaver were trying to run the club into the ground. But Jones, Swailes, David Moss and others were brought in earlier in his reign when he was trying to get the club somewhere. He also hired Sammy Chung as manager.

As someone else has pointed out we signed some decent players from League clubs on his watch, including Russ Wilcox, Jamie Lawrence, Darren Moore and Colin Cramb.

PS. It's possible that the "Uncle Ken" business was a bit of a dressing room joke.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Jonathan on September 21, 2015, 09:45:12 pm
Red Baron has a fair point. Add Sean Parrish and Gary Brabin to the list too.

I'd not taint Graeme Jones or Chris Swailes with Richardson. They were given their breaks in league football here, I'm sure they were grateful at the time. They moved on and their careers went one way. Richardson's (and ours for a time) went another.

Jones in particular would make a fascinating appointment somewhere having been schooled at Swansea and worked closely with Martinez who has great footballing ideals and values. I'm sure he's taken a lot from that, but also get the impression he's happy coaching in the background rather than pursuing the top job anywhere. Shame.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 21, 2015, 10:52:30 pm
We won't be getting Westley he's gone to Peterboro'.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Copps is Magic on September 21, 2015, 11:06:04 pm
I've gotta warn all you naysayers now. If we beat the blunts on Saturday I will be stepping up my campaign for Jones as manager big time.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: bfdoncaster west on September 22, 2015, 12:14:10 am
who wood you like as manger
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: jonnydog on September 22, 2015, 12:23:19 am
who wood you like as manger

I've been waiting for that!! Welcome back bfdoncasterwest :thumbsup:

He was 33/1 when I last saw the bookies odds, but I'd love to see Warnock appointed. Very good experience at all level, local, and I reckon he'd get the players working for their money. I doubt it will be him, and I know he's not everyone's brew, but it'd be a totally different rovers team we'd be watching.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: NickDRFC on September 22, 2015, 12:51:46 am
Doesn't Neil Warnock live in Cornwall? Not exactly local!
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: jonnydog on September 22, 2015, 01:22:59 am
You know full well I meant local t'area, you cheeky little minx ;)
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: drfchound on September 22, 2015, 07:59:00 am
Why would you want to uproot and relocate from Cornwall back to South Yorkshire??
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Drover on September 22, 2015, 10:48:51 am
Why would you want to uproot and relocate from Cornwall back to South Yorkshire??

He would'nt,he lived in cornwall while manager of Blunts.Many of their fans used to critise him for often having someone else take training in the week,especially Mondays/tuesdays.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: drfchound on September 22, 2015, 01:41:54 pm
Remarkable.
That would get half of our lot on his case from day one then.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: IDM on September 22, 2015, 02:49:40 pm
Remarkable.
That would get half of our lot on his case from day one then.

But bear in mind that many more would dislike Colin already, simply for who he is?

Saying that, he isn't my first choice but I wouldn't be disappointed if it was him.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: bpoolrover on September 22, 2015, 03:05:47 pm
While as a player I like jones he has already stated he is happy with the squad, we need some fresh faces in or mid table at very best
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on September 22, 2015, 03:14:41 pm
While as a player I like jones he has already stated he is happy with the squad, we need some fresh faces in or mid table at very best

Ultimately he may believe the players are good and tactics were the issue.  I'd be concerned if he thought there was no issue.  I think it was tactics and a small element of missing players in a position or two, but the squad is not bad.

As for Warnock, well he's past it now exactly what we don't want.  A lot of managers don't take training theirselves though.  Billy Davies managed Forest despite only being in Nottm twice a week.  Ferguson and Redknapp didn't do that much coaching either, it's not the most important thing.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on September 22, 2015, 03:28:34 pm
Some slight changes in the betting today. Redfearn and Jones both drifting whereas Darren Ferguson has shortened even more to 5/2.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on September 22, 2015, 03:38:21 pm
Some slight changes in the betting today. Redfearn and Jones both drifting whereas Darren Ferguson has shortened even more to 5/2.

Eek.  Don't like the man, but arguably a good record?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on September 22, 2015, 03:56:29 pm
Some slight changes in the betting today. Redfearn and Jones both drifting whereas Darren Ferguson has shortened even more to 5/2.

Eek.  Don't like the man, but arguably a good record?

Definitely. I really want to see Jones get it but I'd be more than happy if Ferguson got it. Proven track record in winning games at this level. The only issue I have with Ferguson is how willing is he in regard to developing the youth players?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 22, 2015, 05:15:31 pm
Phil Brown and DP wouldn't be a bad managerial partnership.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: bpoolrover on September 22, 2015, 05:24:48 pm
Not sure it is the tactics the midfield have created next to nothing for 2 seasons now something is very wrong,I think half the problem is the defence is that slow there scared to push forwArd to much
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: rdunphy2 on September 22, 2015, 05:30:17 pm
Gary Johnson now in there also...
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on September 22, 2015, 08:17:33 pm
Gary Johnson now in there also...

That's quite concerning...
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Sammy Chung was King on September 23, 2015, 12:59:41 am
Frank Yallop with Bircham as his number two.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on September 23, 2015, 07:45:38 am
Gary Johnson now in there also...

That's quite concerning...

Is it?  Decent record for a short time (then it tends to go wrong) and quite positive in his style.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: colincramb on September 23, 2015, 08:44:12 am
I think much would depend on what Jones says at interview and how he wants to do things, things we don't really know.  I've outlined a few potential questions below.  These are things I would want to know if employing Jones and that tells us more about what he wants to achieve than the last 2 games.  If he wants a radical change on the pitch then it's clear the last few games tell us nothing.

In terms of moving forwards, I would suggest that you'd want to know these things to weight up what manager you would want to go with.  I saw another thread on this about job description etc, this is probably more interview questions....

It would actually also be interesting to see what forum posters would do if faced with these questions, to see just what we all want

1. What style of play do you want to employ? IE what is your vision for the playing style etc?
2. What are your preferred formations?
3. What are the current weaknesses and how do you believe you will address them.
4. How radical a change do you forsee we need in the first team?
5. What potential signings do you want?  Maybe not names, but positions/type of player.
6. What backroom staff/team do you want to see?  Including which of the existing should remain.
7. How quickly do you believe you can get the team playing your way and how?
8. Ultimately what do you think can be achieved as a target and by when?
9. Do you wish to see any infrastructure changes and if so what?  IE new facilities or changes to the culture of the youth system etc.
10. What squad size do you wish to see and numbers in each position?
11. Finally do you own a pen?

One key thing people tend to miss, and for me is very important 'what qualifications do you have?'

Often overlooked by football fans. Not sure what level of coaching badges jones holds, but if we are trying to do things by developing players potential then I would want to know that any potential manager/coach has a proven track record of doing this
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: silent majority on September 23, 2015, 09:06:49 am
Colincramb,

Most applicants will hold the Uefa A Licence;

http://www.thefa.com/st-georges-park/fa-learning/fa-national-courses/the-fa-uefa-a-licence

and a lot of them will also hold the Pro licence, a necessary requirement in this country if you're serious about coaching;

http://www.thefa.com/my-football/coach/coaching-courses/the-fa-uefa-pro-licence

Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: colincramb on September 23, 2015, 09:10:39 am
Thanks for the link SM
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Lifelong supporter on September 23, 2015, 10:32:31 am
Colincramb,

Most applicants will hold the Uefa A Licence;

http://www.thefa.com/st-georges-park/fa-learning/fa-national-courses/the-fa-uefa-a-licence

and a lot of them will also hold the Pro licence, a necessary requirement in this country if you're serious about coaching;

http://www.thefa.com/my-football/coach/coaching-courses/the-fa-uefa-pro-licence

Any idea what the pass rate is, does anyone actually fail these courses?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on September 23, 2015, 11:54:47 am
Short term last season Johnson got a side relegated
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 23, 2015, 07:56:03 pm
I wonder if we will be told how many applications were submitted. Apparently Torquay got 129!
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 23, 2015, 09:18:13 pm
Back in the squad and Development Manager, I would think. If he thinks he's better than that now, well I suppose he'll leave, but I think RJ has the Club at heart and he knows you have to be patient in this game. His chance will come at some point.

Alan

He picked a side at Walsall that, with more than half of his first XI missing, more than matched the second best side in the division until a stupid mistake by arguably our best performer on the day threw the match away. I do sometimes wonder what your expectation levels are.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Alan Southstand on September 23, 2015, 10:16:34 pm
And the final score was.........

My expectation is having a side that can at least score a bleeding goal now and again, knows how to win a game and we have a manager who has the wherewithal to make prudent changes to get the better of the opposition instead of the other way round.

I don't expect to be winning the European Cup in the next ten years, but I would like to see us back in the Championship, where there is a much better standard of football to be seen. It might just get a few more people off their arces and also come down and support and then there may even be a better atmosphere.

There is presently no chance of that happening either this season or maybe even next, but IF we make the right choice as manager now, we might at least get back on the path of progression, instead of the existing unmistakeable regression that we appear to be in the midst of right now.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 23, 2015, 10:36:46 pm
Alan

I was actually replying to this comment by you
"Jones as a No2 only. He has a lot to learn - particularly how to pick a decent side!"
No idea why that other one came up in the quote.

My point was that at Walsall, against a team on fire and with Jones himself, Forrester, McCullough and Tyson unfit, Wellens still not ready for 90 minutes after his strop and N'Guessan and Keegan not having a match under their belts for months, Jones managed to pick a side that was considerably more dangerous than their opponents and, barring a MoM performance from the Walsall keeper and a dreadful mistake from the young kid who is the only right back we have available, we could well have got 3 points.

We didn't of course, but to conclude from that that Jones is unable to pick a decent side is stretching logic beyond breaking point.

By 83 minutes in that game, the side that Jones picked had forced three top class saves from the Walsall keeper, and had four other efforts inches wide. Walsall on the other hand, had fashioned one decent chance.

I was actually very impressed with both the formation that Jones put out, and the tempo that he had them playing at. It was hardly Jones's fault that Williams couldn't hit the target from 15 yards out when unmarked. Or that ATS's thunderbolt free-kick went straight at the keeper, when, had it been 6 inches to the side, the keeper wouldn't have seen it. Or that Lund made a silly error to throw the match away.

But if you just want to judge Jones's ability by the result, then there's not much point us discussing it any further.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on September 23, 2015, 10:56:43 pm
Unfortunately, to some people we will never have the right manager
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on September 23, 2015, 11:03:25 pm
Brendan Rodgers & co might be out of work soon!
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Sammy Chung was King on September 24, 2015, 12:03:21 am
One of a few i mentioned a bit ago, Keith Curle, wouldn't be a bad appointment, experienced, get's his teams organised and is used to working on a smaller budget, Carlisle have improved a lot since he went there, and that's despite losing their two best midfielders.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 24, 2015, 12:05:12 am
Brendan Rodgers & co might be out of work soon!

Looked like a very O'Driscoll performance tonight. 47 shots (!!!) from Liverpool and only 1 goal. I wonder how many of those shots came from around the edge of the box, after a ponderous build-up that allowed the defence plenty of time to draw their lines and force the issue?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Askern_reds on September 24, 2015, 12:06:24 am
Brendan Rodgers & co might be out of work soon!
Keith curle certainly did his home work at Scouse land tonight, fear the worst for Rogers and sod, just shows there players in the lower leagues that just nead a chance
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Sammy Chung was King on September 24, 2015, 01:33:27 am
I would love Rodgers to get the push, and Sean come back, nothing against Brendan, just a spot of selfishness creeping in!. :coat:
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Rovers91 on September 24, 2015, 06:58:36 am
I would love Rodgers to get the push, and Sean come back, nothing against Brendan, just a spot of selfishness creeping in!. :coat:

Wouldn't take Sean back no chance, he did great for us and got us playing some cracking stuff but that final run of results under him showed a change needed to be done for both parties and times move on, we need someone new with new ideas.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Draytonian III on September 24, 2015, 07:17:32 am
Gary Megson
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on September 24, 2015, 07:23:17 am
Mike Bassett
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Jonathan on September 24, 2015, 08:14:43 am
Brendan Rodgers & co might be out of work soon!

Looked like a very O'Driscoll performance tonight. 47 shots (!!!) from Liverpool and only 1 goal. I wonder how many of those shots came from around the edge of the box, after a ponderous build-up that allowed the defence plenty of time to draw their lines and force the issue?

But suppose the Carlisle keeper made three 'world class' saves (like the Walsall keeper against us). Would you then be left hailing the performance, irrespective of the outcome?

No secret that I'm a massive fan of what O'Driscoll did here, but I wouldn't want us to re-appoint him now. Aside from the fact I doubt he'd return, we need to look forward now. The next appointment needs to (if only!) unite the fanbase rather than divide it.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 24, 2015, 08:26:55 am
Jonathan

If the Carlisle keeper made three "world class" saves (not sure why you put that in quotation marks as you're not quoting anything I said) then is be wondering what the team had done with the other 44 shots.

And when I was assessing the performance, I'd be considering the 3 division and £200m squad cost gulf between the two sides.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 24, 2015, 08:31:14 am
Brendan Rodgers & co might be out of work soon!

Looked like a very O'Driscoll performance tonight. 47 shots (!!!) from Liverpool and only 1 goal. I wonder how many of those shots came from around the edge of the box, after a ponderous build-up that allowed the defence plenty of time to draw their lines and force the issue?

Voila
"Rodgers’ team had 46 shots during the 120 minutes and yet lacked invention against a team 65 places below them in English league football. Mark Gillespie in the visiting goal had a procession of shots to watch but precious few to trouble him. It was a case of work the ball square, back again, shoot wide and repeat."
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/sep/23/liverpool-carlisle-capital-one-cup-match-report
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: swintonrover on September 24, 2015, 10:29:21 am
Pretty fair assessment. Every shot of Liverpool's ended up in the back of the stand, their finishing made ours appear world class. The only time they got shots on target they were slow ones straight at the keeper. Liverpool spent most of the match in Carlisle's half. Their decision making was also atrocious. The thing that summed them up best was a Milner corner, that was played straight back to Lovren on the half way line, who then turned and passed back to the keeper under no pressure. A corner back to the keeper in under 3 seconds with no opposition contact. That's impressively bad.

Carlisle, when they got on the ball, played very similar to how we played during the SOD days, short passes, slow build up. They had a young lad in the centre, Hery, who was causing chaos, and I'd seriously look about signing him.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Jonathan on September 24, 2015, 10:55:04 am
Jonathan

If the Carlisle keeper made three "world class" saves (not sure why you put that in quotation marks as you're not quoting anything I said) then is be wondering what the team had done with the other 44 shots.

And when I was assessing the performance, I'd be considering the 3 division and £200m squad cost gulf between the two sides.


Sorry, my mistake, three 'top class' saves.

I know you will go to almost any length to discredit our former manager (whom you clearly loathed for proving you wrong for wanting him gone) but trawling through match reports of a club at which he is now on the coaching staff in order to imply blame for a fairly uninspiring win in an undervalued cup competition is pretty desperate.

In any case, I'm pleased to see you've now taken to acknowledging some of the many factors that can skew a simple focus on results and win percentages.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 24, 2015, 11:26:49 am
Jonathan

You have a big issue on this don't you?

I do not "loathe" O'Driscoll for "proving me wrong". I have openly admitted many, many times that I was wrong in my initial assessment of O'Driscoll. I have said on many occasions that, when he got the balance right, we were irresistible and an utter delight to watch. I have said on many occasions that the game at Hillsborough in 2010 was football of a like that I never dreamed I'd see from the Rovers and was an utter privilege to witness. I said at the time that he was sacked that I thought it was a wrong and unfair decision.

But I also remember countless games of turgid keep-ball where we ploddingly made our way forward at a pace that allowed the defence to re-group at leisure. That side of O'Driscoll's teams was painful to watch. It appears that Liverpool put in a similar performance last night. Which was my point. 

Your selective memory on this subject is rather unsettling to be honest. You are one if the smartest people in this place, yet you appear incapable of taking a balanced view on this theme. You recall what I say on one side but seem to have no recollection of what I say in the other side.   

And your cod psychology is, frankly, risible. If you think I loathed a manager who brought us such success and such pleasure, because I'd expressed a (wrong) opinion about his ability, then to be honest, it says more about you than it does of me.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 24, 2015, 11:32:01 am
PS

I didn't "trawl through" anything. I spent all of 20 seconds reading that report (I read several other ones - I'm a football fan) and saw that snippet that rang a bell.

And I didn't post any of that to discredit anyone. It's quite bizarre to think that the assistant coach at Liverpool could be discredited by the jokey ramblings of a gobshite on a low-grade forum, but I'm honoured that you think so much of my influence.

And I'm afraid I haven't got a Scooby what you are on about in your final paragraph.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: RobTheRover on September 24, 2015, 11:47:14 am
"Low-grade"?

3 day ban,  Stubbs-Tears!
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 24, 2015, 11:50:29 am
I just tell it like it is Roberto.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Alan Southstand on September 24, 2015, 12:08:56 pm
In response to BST and to put things in perspective:

My comment -

Quote
"Jones as a No2 only. He has a lot to learn - particularly how to pick a decent side!"
.......was aimed at the side he put out against Oldham. Quite simply, the first half was a shocker and it was definitely linked to the 11 he put out. I couldn't possibly comment on the game that you refer to, as I wasn't there!

Again, its only a personal opinion but I just think he's not ready for the big step-up yet. I like the guy, but to already come out and say he doesn't need to bring anyone in, when he's lived and breathed the squad throughout PD's reign, is a bit of an oversight and a basic error. He, above any new incoming manager, should know exactly where the problem areas are and should have the 'sphericals' to repair what's broken. All well and good talking about team spirit and good set of lads, blah, blah, but has he noticed where that has gotten us to in the league, already?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 24, 2015, 12:15:34 pm
Alan

I wasn't at the Oldham game so I can't comment. But I suspect things might have been influenced by losing Williams after about 3 seconds and having to shove Main further up the field. And by the lack of games under Keegan, Wellens and N'Guessan's belts. And the loss of yet another player to injury (Lund) before the game.

To put it another way, what team would YOU have put out, given the circumstances?

As for his comments on the squad, I suspect that is a function of his role as caretaker. Caretakers rarely get to sign players, so it's a non-issue. I'm sure he'd want to bring players in (or get injured ones fit) if he were in charge.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Alan Southstand on September 24, 2015, 01:16:45 pm
Quite simply, not the one he put out.

I readily accept he has very few alternatives - but surely that is part of the glaringly obvious problem - that we are well short. Christ on a bike, even I can spot that one!!

We have a very, very tricky few weeks (and months) ahead. I just hope the powers-that-be get their ducks in a row. It doesn't matter one jot what you or I think, but it seriously matters what happens next within the Club. We appear to be on a very slippery slope atm, so its up the top dogs to get the next bit right.

RTID
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on September 24, 2015, 01:23:39 pm
So what would you have put out Alan?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: DonnyRed1992 on September 24, 2015, 01:48:51 pm
Jones has confirmed he's applied.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Alan Southstand on September 24, 2015, 02:48:55 pm
BFYP - walked into that, didn't I.

Again, stating the bleedin' obvious - he didn't have a great deal of choice with his back 4 - it picks itself, unless we do something about it!

The midfield dept is where the problem lies - and as far as I'm concerned Mr Gobern is not the player we need (unless PK is injured again). Wasn't it obvious when RW came on? I would have gone with the experience he had at his disposal.

Main would never, ever get in one of my sides, so that's the other change! I'd rather play you, BFYP!
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: IDM on September 24, 2015, 03:26:26 pm
I have said it before and will say it again, Main is an enigma.

Go back a few games and when he came on vs Southend he did OK, scored against Fleetwood, apparently according to some was good at Walsall yet was anonymous vs Oldham.  But the problem is for Main to get consistency he needs to play.  Put him on the bench behind Williams and N'Guessan, he'll get 20mins or so every other game - and will probably do well.  Then he starts, and is shite again..

Alternatively, he plays every game - sometimes bad, sometimes good, sometimes indifferent and we have to be patient, until he becomes more consistent.

Or we get rid.

IMHO, for what it is worth, Williams and N'Guessan should start on Saturday.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 24, 2015, 04:33:17 pm
The big thing we were lacking under PD was tactical awareness and the ability to change tactics during a match, this is an essential quality from our next manager. I wonder if Jones has yet to develop this essential tactical nous?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on September 24, 2015, 05:42:35 pm
Darren Ferguson is now second favourite. Stuart Gray has moved from 12/1 to 8/1
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: The Red Baron on September 25, 2015, 04:54:55 pm
The postponement of the Millwall game gives the Board a great window for appointing a new manager, especially if they choose an outsider. We go for 10 days without a game.

Premier League clubs often use international breaks to make managerial changes.

Going off topic, it should also give us the opportunity to field a strong team at York.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: godlike1 on September 25, 2015, 05:36:19 pm


Darren Ferguson is now second favourite. Stuart Gray has moved from 12/1 to 8/1

Thing is that unless club insiders are leaking info or betting on this themselves (both illegal) the betting guides are useless
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 26, 2015, 03:27:06 am
I think Refearn must still fancy his chances for the job, especially if there isn't a positive result tomorrow.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: LincsRover on September 26, 2015, 07:40:21 am
Gary Megson

Please stop it draytonian, no, no, no! You have Megson taurettes and I claim my £5!!

 :turd:
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on September 26, 2015, 01:39:14 pm
I heard something yesterday that made my blood run cold. Rumour that Brian Laws seen at the training ground.



Just a repulsive thought...
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 26, 2015, 03:03:56 pm
I heard something yesterday that made my blood run cold. Rumour that Brian Laws seen at the training ground.



Just a repulsive thought...

Is Laws out of work?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 26, 2015, 05:18:02 pm
Someone in elk of Terry Venables, vastly experienced.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Bessie Red on September 26, 2015, 05:20:04 pm
I heard something yesterday that made my blood run cold. Rumour that Brian Laws seen at the training ground.



Just a repulsive thought...

Heard same thing.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: RTID75 on September 26, 2015, 05:45:04 pm
Not commented on this as yet, but definitely not Jones. Two reasons - he's nowhere near experienced enough, and the fact that he'd soon face all kinds of abusive shite from a select few Rovers fans. He's a fan's hero who would definitely not deserve it.

As to who it should be - I'm not sure, but we need a seasoned pro who's experienced in turning round a stale team. We're in urgent need now.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: The Red Baron on September 26, 2015, 05:55:01 pm
The reality is that we need someone who can turn things round. It isn't just a case of changing the manager.

I think some of the players are not as good as we think they are and, more crucially, as they think they are.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 26, 2015, 07:26:23 pm
The Elk of Terry Venables as manager? Too deer.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: southwestexile on September 26, 2015, 07:51:50 pm
The Elk of Terry Venables as manager? Too deer.

I'll put my head in a moose
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: PDX_Rover on September 26, 2015, 08:09:11 pm
Staggering. Must doe better.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 26, 2015, 08:57:35 pm
deer, deer ,deer I meant ilk. :blush:
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Copps is Magic on September 26, 2015, 08:57:50 pm
Laws might be down there because he knows Jones and is working with him in some capacity. Bloody hope so.

My first choice would be Dean Smith now. Rest of the names don't fill me with any positivity.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on September 26, 2015, 09:11:02 pm
From the names mentioned only Jones and Ferguson appeal to me.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 26, 2015, 09:14:18 pm
Stuart Gray did a decent job at Wendies. I said at the time he was unlucky to lose his job.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on September 26, 2015, 09:18:24 pm
Yeah Stuart Gray also!

I am scared were going to end up with another Dickov. Look at the latest name mentioned in the rumour mill, if he is on the shortlist then god help us.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 26, 2015, 09:25:18 pm
Yeah Stuart Gray also!

I am scared were going to end up with another Dickov. Look at the latest name mentioned in the rumour mill, if he is on the shortlist then god help us.

DD, Stuart Gray won 30 of his 84 games at Wendies, got to be a better % than PD.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Gray_(footballer,_born_1960)
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Rovers91 on September 26, 2015, 09:31:06 pm
From the names mentioned only Jones and Ferguson appeal to me.

Nobody knows who has applied there maybe some cracking candidates, but Jones hasn't showed anything to warrant the job.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Copps is Magic on September 26, 2015, 09:32:20 pm
It aint all about win %. In fact, its not very useful to compare managers because if you're the manager of Wednesday (say) you'd be expected to win more games than the manager of Walsall. I just think Smith has got a relatively smaller club playing decent football. I never saw Wedneday under Gray tbh but all the callers on football heaven used to say the same thing - solid but not very inspiring going forward.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: The Red Baron on September 26, 2015, 09:45:48 pm
Didn't Wednesday have an awful home record under Gray? Although to be fair to him they had a lot of problems with the pitch last season.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Akinfenwa on September 26, 2015, 09:51:29 pm
Sheff Wednesday were the Championship's lowest scoring team outside the bottom 3 last season.

He also managed to take a decent Northampton team down to League Two in '09 after he guided them to 9th the year before.

Not convinced by him at all.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Draytonian III on September 26, 2015, 10:13:31 pm
Just watched Football League programme and they mentioned Shaun Derry  !!!
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Akinfenwa on September 26, 2015, 10:16:00 pm
Shaun Derry is worse than Dickov.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Sammy Chung was King on September 27, 2015, 12:32:02 am
Show you mean business by getting Hasselbaink or McDermott, and give them the funds to rebuild this mess.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 27, 2015, 03:30:51 am
Sammy, a new manager can only sign loans and frees, not exactly a big pool of talent to choose from. I think it will be more using better what we have.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: thorne viking on September 27, 2015, 04:01:33 am
Sammy, a new manager can only sign loans and frees, not exactly a big pool of talent to choose from. I think it will be more using better what we have.
ALot of the clubs in our league would love to have the squad of players we have,but i think it needs a new manager to get the best out of them,we have too many midfielders that cant get forward to help williams but also get back to defend,so they all want to sit in front of the back four,the players cant all be changed but maybe the young-uns coming through might show more effort and push the regulars for their place if given the opportunity
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: bedale rover on September 27, 2015, 10:56:27 am
The thing is that ALL managers have peaks and troughs it all depends on the variables ie players form injuries tactics budgets temperaments culture and agents I am sure that there are others I have missed
We insist on blaming known factors manager or board
We underestimate luck and team cohesion

Alex Ferguson ruthlessly purged the team to protect his authority
Lower league managers don't have that luxury they have to work in a more constrained way which is why they fail more
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: The Red Baron on September 27, 2015, 11:36:04 am
I see Glynn Snodin is being championed by the DFP.

If he was interested he'd be a good candidate.

http://m.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/doncaster-rovers/rovers-news/opinion-bring-home-a-legend-to-lead-doncaster-rovers-again-1-7482281
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Canadian Rover on September 27, 2015, 11:59:44 am
Jones can do a great job with the Rovers...he actually appears to care about the club and the fans.

He knows the division, the club staff & knows what the fans want to see.

If we all back Jones...I think we may get something like the Dave Penney Era back.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Yorkiered on September 27, 2015, 12:38:52 pm
Jones can do a great job with the Rovers...he actually appears to care about the club and the fans.

He knows the division, the club staff & knows what the fans want to see.

If we all back Jones...I think we may get something like the Dave Penney Era back.

I care about the club and the fans
I also know the division and know what the fans want to see.

Does that make me a suitable applicant for the Managers job?


errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr no I don't think so!!
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Askern_reds on September 27, 2015, 12:40:30 pm
the star says Shaun Derry leading contender??
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: silent majority on September 27, 2015, 12:41:33 pm
And knowing this division isn't part of the criteria, achieving promotion from this division and having knowledge of maintaining Championship status is.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: silent majority on September 27, 2015, 12:41:54 pm
the star says Shaun Derry leading contender??

Well the Star are wrong.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Askern_reds on September 27, 2015, 12:43:52 pm
the star says Shaun Derry leading contender??

Well the Star are wrong.
well I don't no that I'm just going to read it
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Prez on September 27, 2015, 12:46:13 pm
Dont believe everything you read askern!!
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Askern_reds on September 27, 2015, 12:47:04 pm
Dont believe everything you read askern!!
true
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Canadian Rover on September 27, 2015, 02:44:28 pm
And knowing this division isn't part of the criteria, achieving promotion from this division and having knowledge of maintaining Championship status is.

Little hints letting us know you know who's in line?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: silent majority on September 27, 2015, 02:45:41 pm
And knowing this division isn't part of the criteria, achieving promotion from this division and having knowledge of maintaining Championship status is.

Little hints letting us know you know who's in line?

No, just highlighting the job criteria.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on September 27, 2015, 03:28:23 pm
Ferguson fits a lot of that criteria
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Askern_reds on September 27, 2015, 05:32:11 pm
just been reading what Peter Catt as to say in free press, think I would go with who he would like to take over as manager he put a bloody case forward anway
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 27, 2015, 09:56:59 pm
Would either of the Snodins want to return to Rovers after they were unfairly booted out first time around?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: pib on September 27, 2015, 10:30:44 pm
None of the names being bandied around at current fill me with much confidence.

Jones - I think it's too early for him. We need someone who will shake things up, and the evidence so far is that things will stay much the same.
Ferguson - not a great manager at all. Reasonable success at Peterborough, but at a period where everything they touched in the transfer market turned to gold. Failed elsewhere.
Gray - probably a decent hire for someone, but his Wednesday teams couldn't score goals and I don't think we need any more of that.
Derry - just no.
Laws - even more no.
Snodin - why?
Clough - see Gray.

I'd be happy with Brian McDermott, but I can't see him dropping down to us. Edinburgh, Hasselbaink or Smith could be decent hires, but I'm struggling to see us headhunting, and to be honest all of their clubs seem to be in better shape than ours at the moment.

If the main criteria is having achieved promotion from this league in the past, I think we're missing a trick. Plenty of managers out there who have won promotion from this league but would be far from ideal appointments - see Ferguson, Jewell, Gary Johnson etc. And on the flip-side plenty that haven't, but would potentially get the supporters onside, excited and would be able to instill a change in direction and take us forward.

Wait and see I guess. I do feel we definitely need someone who has a strong view on how the game should be played and will come in and immediately attempt to stamp that on the team. It's something we've been lacking for too long now, and something I feel it's sadly too early for Rob Jones to deliver.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Sammy Chung was King on September 28, 2015, 12:45:19 am
Jaap Stam, looking for a managers role over here, has worked for a fair few years at Ajax, unlikely to get a championship job, might be worth a look.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 28, 2015, 02:38:35 am
another foreign player who might be looking for a job in England could be Denis Berkamp, also well connected.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: PDX_Rover on September 28, 2015, 04:28:20 am
Bergkamp a non starter. Problematic travel wise for our European matches.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 28, 2015, 04:55:38 pm
Has a good footballing brain. Something we need.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: bedale rover on September 28, 2015, 07:54:58 pm
I doubt he would have applied but Mark Warburton 's credentials have improved after Brentford sacked his replacement today

Would be a class appointment but unlikely
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on September 28, 2015, 09:38:57 pm
He wouldn't leave rangers to come here in a million years
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Snods Shinpad 2 on September 28, 2015, 09:50:10 pm
Phil Orange at Southend?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on September 28, 2015, 09:52:28 pm
I think Stuart Gray will go Rotherham, they've got half his old Wednesday team
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: The Red Baron on September 28, 2015, 09:53:05 pm
Yes, that particular ship has sailed. If I was in charge I would have sacked Dickov at the end of last season and approached Warburton then.

We might not have got him, of course. But he could have been the ideal fit for us.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 29, 2015, 01:24:01 am
I wonder if McDermott is on the shortlist?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on September 29, 2015, 12:56:38 pm
Rob Jones shortened slightly to 15/8. Think this is due to people backing him because the bookies pay out if he has 10 games as manager.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: drfchound on September 29, 2015, 08:44:26 pm
Unispired first half.
Not doing Jones case any good so far.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 29, 2015, 09:56:45 pm
I can't see the Board going with Jones, we need a manager with serious experience to turn us around.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on September 29, 2015, 10:02:01 pm
Second half was as good as we've had in 2 or 3 years
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: DonnyOsmond on September 29, 2015, 10:02:46 pm
I don't think Jones is that bad an option. We look like we just need a win to get confidence back and then we'll be on a roll.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: The Red Baron on September 29, 2015, 10:23:00 pm
Sadly for Jones it is a results business. He might well have started the fight back tonight - only time will tell - but he had only a few games to make an impression and needed to get results from the off. I don't think he will get the job now.

He may well have done us a huge service with his recruitment of Anderson. I hope he will go back to his work with the under 21s and that one day his chance will come to manage.

I'm under no illusions here. The new manager will have a big job on to keep us in League One this season. I'd hate Jones to have a relegation on his managerial CV.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 29, 2015, 10:27:29 pm
I think David Pleat would be a good choice, has bags of experience and good tactician.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on September 29, 2015, 10:27:52 pm
I actually think we've shown promise under Jones.  Can he be faulted for the big weaknesses?  No I would say not.

I actually think he would turn it round too but will he get the chance?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on September 29, 2015, 10:38:28 pm
The two signings he's made have also been good signings
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: drfchound on September 29, 2015, 10:39:31 pm
Ddickov would have got slated tonight had he been charge.
Insipid first half with two missed chances.
A better last 25 minutes but letting a win get away in injury time.
For some reason there is not the same venom going Jones' way.
Just an observation.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on September 29, 2015, 10:46:34 pm
Today was much better than it was under dickov at home and that's from a dickov supporter
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: drfchound on September 29, 2015, 10:50:46 pm
To be fair it was only better from 70 to 90 minutes.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Filo on September 29, 2015, 10:54:30 pm
Second half was as good as we've had in 2 or 3 years

Really?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on September 29, 2015, 10:58:19 pm
I can't think of many games when we've come from behind like that and created as many opportunities as that
Anderson caused chaos constantly,
I can't believe people can't see the improvement today than bury, Oldham Southend,  we used to constantly struggle to break sides down
Today we didn't
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: pib on September 29, 2015, 11:02:02 pm
I can't think of many games when we've come from behind like that and created as many opportunities as that
Anderson caused chaos constantly,
I can't believe people can't see the improvement today than bury, Oldham Southend,  we used to constantly struggle to break sides down
Today we didn't

I agree. Much improved. It was great to see us looking a threat, playing with a bit of freedom and pace, and actually making their defence and goalkeeper work.

If we play like that on Saturday it'll give the new manager a decent platform to build on. Felt like a step in the right direction to me tonight. Credit to Jones and the players.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 30, 2015, 11:25:07 am
Guilty again of conceding a late goal. happened a lot last season, the team hasn't yet learnt how to kill the game at 2-1. An experienced manager might be able to change this weakness.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Colin C No.3 on September 30, 2015, 11:30:18 am
Today was much better than it was under dickov at home and that's from a dickov supporter
Still "a dickov supporter"?!
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: DonnyNoel on September 30, 2015, 11:59:14 am
I haven't really followed the updates coming out of the club - do we think RJ will be incharge on Saturday? I think 2pts from 4 games is sadly going to rule him out. I don't want anything rushed but if a new manager could see what we're about on Saturday, have a bit of a tinker for the York game he'd then have an idea of what to work on in the big gap left by the Millwall rearrangement.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on September 30, 2015, 12:09:23 pm
Today was much better than it was under dickov at home and that's from a dickov supporter
Still "a dickov supporter"?!

Why would I be a supporter of someone who has nowt to do with the club
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: TheFunk on September 30, 2015, 02:40:01 pm
Guilty again of conceding a late goal. happened a lot last season, the team hasn't yet learnt how to kill the game at 2-1. An experienced manager might be able to change this weakness.

SOD was an experienced manager and he certainly wasn't able to change it. That was probably down to fitness though as our fitness levels we shocking at that time.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: bfdoncaster west on September 30, 2015, 03:15:23 pm
Chris Wilder
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: bfdoncaster west on September 30, 2015, 03:43:37 pm
Paolo Di Canio's
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: bedale rover on September 30, 2015, 04:08:08 pm
I can't think of many games when we've come from behind like that and created as many opportunities as that
Anderson caused chaos constantly,
I can't believe people can't see the improvement today than bury, Oldham Southend,  we used to constantly struggle to break sides down
Today we didn't

We did that several times last year away from home Rochdale and scunny spring to mind
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on September 30, 2015, 04:49:09 pm
I mean at home, we've struggle to break teams down who come here to defend, even when we won the league
We didn't last night we had enough chances to score 4 or 5
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: 5minstogo on September 30, 2015, 06:15:54 pm
Harry Kewell, Rene Meulensteen and Jackie McNamara added to betting long list now according to Free Press
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Draytonian III on September 30, 2015, 07:19:33 pm
Gary Megson
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on September 30, 2015, 09:30:18 pm
Ainsworth has apparently ruled himself out according to the BBC, wants to stay at Wycombe.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Askern_reds on September 30, 2015, 11:37:34 pm
anyone but Jones, should never been given a players contract he should be gone simple as that, i
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 01, 2015, 01:25:43 am
I think David Pleat would be a good choice, has bags of experience and good tactician.

Decent Sta-Pressed suits an all. These things matter.

Mind, he'd never pronounce "N'Guessan" correctly.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: IDM on October 01, 2015, 08:09:58 am
anyone but Jones, should never been given a players contract he should be gone simple as that, i

Jones should never have been given a players contract??

Do you mean this season or when he joined the club, because he was shite in 2012/13 wasn't he???
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: RedJ on October 01, 2015, 10:37:53 am
anyone but Jones, should never been given a players contract he should be gone simple as that, i

Hahahahahahaha.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: podrover73 on October 01, 2015, 10:46:49 am
anyone but Jones, should never been given a players contract he should be gone simple as that, i
are you for real or just a WUM ?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on October 01, 2015, 11:49:05 am
Askern, you sent me a private message about Dickov, you said you cant stand people being slated when they're doing there best??
Yet all you've done since jones was appointed is slate him
Is he not doing his best??
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: bfdoncaster west on October 01, 2015, 02:22:35 pm
Ally McCoist
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: RedJ on October 01, 2015, 02:54:40 pm
Ally McCoist
Nope. Failed with Rangers.

Our 1998 team would've pissed Scottish Division One and Two.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on October 01, 2015, 04:15:32 pm
This long wait as who is going to be our next manager is turning into a wake.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on October 01, 2015, 04:39:42 pm
*Changes in the betting alert*

Darren Ferguson is our new favourite at 6/4. Redfearn now out to 3/1.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on October 01, 2015, 04:59:02 pm
Something imminent? DF shortened even further and RJ and NR drifted more 
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on October 01, 2015, 06:11:43 pm
Anything to do with people laying bets?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: The Red Baron on October 01, 2015, 06:20:55 pm
Terry Butcher sacked as manager of Newport County. John Sheridan the favourite to take over.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on October 01, 2015, 07:03:53 pm
I thought JS had left Plymouth to return to the North. Why then would he want to take over at Newport? More likely want to be considered for the Rovers job.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on October 01, 2015, 07:19:27 pm
Well we now have a clear favourite with the bookies at least....
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on October 01, 2015, 11:13:56 pm
Well we now have a clear favourite with the bookies at least....

Name names.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on October 02, 2015, 05:48:30 pm
Given the statement from the club it suggests we will be hiring an established and experienced manager, this must rule out RJ.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Colin C No.3 on October 02, 2015, 05:51:36 pm
Red Rum.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Sammy Chung was King on October 03, 2015, 12:43:32 am
If it's Ferguson, let's hope he has learnt how to organise a defence in his time off, because it was only down to his forwards outscoring an abysmal defence.
Everytime they were promoted to the championship, he didn't learn the lesson of having a good defence, even in league one his defence was terrible, to consistently do well, you need to organise the whole team, not just the front lads.
I would support him if appointed, but not my choice, not even in my top five.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on October 03, 2015, 03:52:02 pm
Sammy, hope we can do better than Ferguson, he doesn't instill confidence that he could better than Dickov. Indeed he could be a Dickov MK2.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: eastender on October 03, 2015, 06:34:52 pm
Is to late for Ewe Rosler to throw his cap in the ring.
He'll be lucky to still be in a job on Monday unless Massimo Cellino has gone soft .
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: The Red Baron on October 03, 2015, 07:45:03 pm
Jose Mourinho?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on October 03, 2015, 08:44:03 pm
Jose Mourinho?

Hmm,there's a thought. He's probably never heard of Doncaster Rovers, but knows of the so called Champions of Europe up the road.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on October 04, 2015, 05:43:47 pm
Bump
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: bedale rover on October 05, 2015, 11:03:04 am
Is to late for Ewe Rosler to throw his cap in the ring.
He'll be lucky to still be in a job on Monday unless Massimo Cellino has gone soft .

He would just be sheep like then wouldn't he?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on October 05, 2015, 11:04:55 am
Ferguson, Jones and Redfearn all drifted slightly. Whereas Lee Clark and Shaun Derry both shortened to 8/1....
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dare to dream! on October 05, 2015, 11:10:25 am
Lee Clark now 5/1...
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on October 05, 2015, 04:59:12 pm
The board said they had a  very high calibre of applicants, I think this suggests we will be getting a manager with credentials better than those of Lee Clark.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Colin C No.3 on October 05, 2015, 05:05:37 pm
With all due respect, they are not 'footballing men', therefore their definition of "high calibre" may be different to yours or mine?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: DearneValleyRover on October 05, 2015, 05:13:35 pm
With all due respect, they are not 'footballing men', therefore their definition of "high calibre" may be different to yours or mine?

What a load of tripe, do you think they live in a bubble? They talk to other Directors, the fl, ex pros all the time, they will know more than any of us do.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Jonathan on October 05, 2015, 05:14:56 pm
With all due respect, they are not 'footballing men', therefore their definition of "high calibre" may be different to yours or mine?

Depends how you qualify as being a footballing man. If throwing a few million a year into a football club for little or no return was to qualify you as a football man, then I'd suggest that they are footballing men. Can only assume they're not in it for the rich returns or the overwhelming gratitude of the local public.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: graingrover on October 05, 2015, 05:16:57 pm
With all due respect, they are not 'footballing men', therefore their definition of "high calibre" may be different to yours or mine?
  .. they may well be more football men than us by dint of the fact they put 1 Million into our club every season to keep us afloat.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Yorkiered on October 05, 2015, 05:20:39 pm
With all due respect, they are not 'footballing men', therefore their definition of "high calibre" may be different to yours or mine?
  .. they may well be more football men than us by dint of the fact they put 1 Million into our club ever season to keep us afloat.

Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: PDX_Rover on October 05, 2015, 06:01:07 pm
There's some right weigh anchors on here.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on October 05, 2015, 06:41:59 pm
With all due respect, they are not 'footballing men', therefore their definition of "high calibre" may be different to yours or mine?

If I was a Board member and putting my own money into the club, I would be damn sure that I wasn't about to hire a lemon of a manager. I believe the Board when they say that they have a high calibre of applicants for the manager's job. I trust them to get the best manager they can afford and whose experience will assist the long term aims of the Board, namely bring Championship football back to the KM. I wouldn't be surprised that the Board will hire a new manager that none of us have named or considered.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: bobjimwilly on October 06, 2015, 04:24:07 pm
Not sure if he was in the running for Rovers manager but Steve Pressley is new Fleetwood boss.
https://twitter.com/ftfc/status/651414511950430209
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: glosterred on October 06, 2015, 04:34:33 pm
Would rather have had Elvis

COYR
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: donnyallday on October 06, 2015, 05:09:32 pm
Didnt the board of Directors along with Mr Ryan say something along those lines.

We have had over 150 applicants ,some are jokey ones and some high  caliber with great experiance.

 Only to appoint the Dic.... just sayin
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on October 06, 2015, 11:20:49 pm
After tonight's result it won't be Jones.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on October 06, 2015, 11:26:03 pm
I think they'll take his interview into account more than how he's done in these 4 or 5 games
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on October 06, 2015, 11:32:18 pm
I think they'll take his interview into account more than how he's done in these 4 or 5 games

I don't think Jones' match stats will get him the job.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on October 07, 2015, 04:00:39 pm
bump
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on October 07, 2015, 05:33:25 pm
Would be a bit silly to employ a manager on match stats
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on October 07, 2015, 07:23:41 pm
Would be a bit silly to employ a manager on match stats

The Board would look at a manager's match stats record. One of the failures of Dickov was his inability to change his plans and formation when the game was changing and going against his original plans. The Board must get a manager who can think on his feet, and be able to change his game plan, as stated before this was something Dickov failed to do.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Yorkiered on October 07, 2015, 07:27:16 pm
Rob Jones might be a nice guy but as far as his management abilities are concerned imo he is just a taller version of Dickov.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on October 07, 2015, 07:49:43 pm
Looking forward to our new high calibre manager. The Board's word not mine.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on October 07, 2015, 07:53:24 pm
Would be a bit silly to employ a manager on match stats

The Board would look at a manager's match stats record. One of the failures of Dickov was his inability to change his plans and formation when the game was changing and going against his original plans. The Board must get a manager who can think on his feet, and be able to change his game plan, as stated before this was something Dickov failed to do.

That's not match stats
Unless they're going to look at videos of games he's managed and seen how he's effected the game then there's not much stats can tell u
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Jonathan on October 07, 2015, 07:54:07 pm
Looking forward to our new high calibre manager. The Board's word not mine.

Said as if you're just desperate to be disappointed by it. A strange approach, really.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Yorkiered on October 07, 2015, 08:04:02 pm
Looking forward to our new high calibre manager. The Board's word not mine.

Said as if you're just desperate to be disappointed by it. A strange approach, really.

Sorry but I cannot see how you can possibly deduce that from the original statement.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: idler on October 07, 2015, 08:07:20 pm
Would be a bit silly to employ a manager on match stats

The Board would look at a manager's match stats record. One of the failures of Dickov was his inability to change his plans and formation when the game was changing and going against his original plans. The Board must get a manager who can think on his feet, and be able to change his game plan, as stated before this was something Dickov failed to do.

That's not match stats
Unless they're going to look at videos of games he's managed and seen how he's effected the game then there's not much stats can tell u
Surely the higher your win ratio you would think the better tactician you are. If you have a high ratio you must have come from behind more often than someone with a low ratio. You're not always going to score first are you.
I imagine as well that if you get your defence right you also don't have many games where you have a big deficit to claw back.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Jonathan on October 07, 2015, 08:14:51 pm
Looking forward to our new high calibre manager. The Board's word not mine.

Said as if you're just desperate to be disappointed by it. A strange approach, really.

Sorry but I cannot see how you can possibly deduce that from the original statement.

Perhaps the huge slice of cynicism that's evident through the vast majority of this message board. If les meant it genuinely then apologies to him, I'm just tired of all the negativity on here.

Constant digging at the board, the potential candidates, the manager(s), the players. Some of the expectations are out of control. We're just Doncaster Rovers.

I'm fed up of reading about win ratios. The sooner we get this appointment confirmed the better, then we can get past the inevitable negativity at it before a game's even played, then get back to football.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: silent majority on October 07, 2015, 08:20:00 pm
Agreed Jonathan, that desperate desire to find fault with everything wears people down.

Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on October 07, 2015, 09:32:23 pm
Looking forward to our new high calibre manager. The Board's word not mine.

Said as if you're just desperate to be disappointed by it. A strange approach, really.

Disagree, I have said either on this thread or elsewhere that I do believe the Board when they say they are seeking a high calibre new manager. I have also said it could be someone who none of us had either named or considered for the manager's post.

Regarding match stats, how can a manager be judged if his on field performance isn't taken into consideration, it was the reason why Dickov lost his job, and will be a key reason for the next appointment.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Yorkiered on October 07, 2015, 09:33:18 pm
Looking forward to our new high calibre manager. The Board's word not mine.

Said as if you're just desperate to be disappointed by it. A strange approach, really.

Sorry but I cannot see how you can possibly deduce that from the original statement.

Perhaps the huge slice of cynicism that's evident through the vast majority of this message board. If les meant it genuinely then apologies to him, I'm just tired of all the negativity on here.

Constant digging at the board, the potential candidates, the manager(s), the players. Some of the expectations are out of control. We're just Doncaster Rovers.

I'm fed up of reading about win ratios. The sooner we get this appointment confirmed the better, then we can get past the inevitable negativity at it before a game's even played, then get back to football.

Jonathan do you not think that negativity will always be present on any football forum of a team that is not doing well?
If we were top of the table and playing well people would have nothing to moan about.
It is the very nature of a football forum that there will be moans. I am sure that most people on here go to watch Rovers with a positive attitude and support the team for the whole 90 minutes.
This is where people can let off steam, if everyone was in agreement and all slapping each others backs this place would be very very boring.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Jonathan on October 07, 2015, 09:49:51 pm
The level of negativity is soul destroying. If we're not moaning about what happened last night, we're moaning about what happened last week, month, year, sometimes what happened 5 years ago. And if we're not criticising what's gone before, we're finding fault with what's going to happen, what might happen or could happen. Of course I don't expect people to be happy with everything, it just feels like there's barely any positivity about anything sometimes. We've just beaten one of our local rivals, we're still in the third tier with reason to look up, and we're meant to be heading towards a new era that we can't seem to stop complaining about before it's even begun!

As for these godforsaken win ratios. There are so many other factors to take into account. Budgets, cultures, resources, opposition. They're indicative of some qualities but by no means definitive, and I'm sick to death of them!
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on October 07, 2015, 11:36:01 pm
Looking forward to our new high calibre manager. The Board's word not mine.

Said as if you're just desperate to be disappointed by it. A strange approach, really.

Disagree, I have said either on this thread or elsewhere that I do believe the Board when they say they are seeking a high calibre new manager. I have also said it could be someone who none of us had either named or considered for the manager's post.

Regarding match stats, how can a manager be judged if his on field performance isn't taken into consideration, it was the reason why Dickov lost his job, and will be a key reason for the next appointment.

Judged on on field performances isn't the same as judged on match stats, I couldn't care less how many corners we have or shots in target, or how much possession we have, it's irrelevant if you're winning.
As for the moaning yorkie, you can't have been on this forum when we won the league , the moaning was just as bad that season as it is now
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: RoversAlias on October 07, 2015, 11:54:49 pm
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As for these godforsaken win ratios. There are so many other factors to take into account. Budgets, cultures, resources, opposition. They're indicative of some qualities but by no means definitive, and I'm sick to death of them!

I have nothing to say on the rest of the discussion about negativity and all that, but I must say this is SO true. I've rolled my eyes every time I've seen someone either play up or deride a managerial candidate by pointing out their 'win ratio'. It is so irrelevant...someone who managed a team to a top 6 finish three years running but never got promoted will have a good win ratio, but maybe from that job is not well regarded. Likewise, somebody managing a low budget relegation battler will have a crap win ratio even if he did really well and kept them up three seasons running against the odds. Such percentages count for very little in real terms.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Sammy Chung was King on October 07, 2015, 11:59:19 pm
Has anybody mentioned Paul Ince, Not particularly the manager who i would go for, But without a job at the minute. ''The Best Coach in the World'', is also available John Carver!.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on October 08, 2015, 12:39:55 am
Has anybody mentioned Paul Ince, Not particularly the manager who i would go for, But without a job at the minute. ''The Best Coach in the World'', is also available John Carver!.

Sammy, maybe there is a reason why Paul Ince isn't in a job.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on October 08, 2015, 01:04:41 am
Danny Wilson only needs to manage us and Rotherham to have a full house of managing SY teams.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: LincsRover on October 08, 2015, 07:54:03 am
Has anybody mentioned Paul Ince, Not particularly the manager who i would go for, But without a job at the minute. ''The Best Coach in the World'', is also available John Carver!.

I wouldn't mind carver - thought he did ok at Newcastle keeping them up and look at them now under the ex-England manager, but Ince? I would put him alongside Lee Clark as a f*ck*ng useless liability with an ego far bigger than his talent and unemployable as s manager!
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on October 08, 2015, 12:48:11 pm
No to Ince, No to Clark, Yes to a manager with proven experience who turn around our sinking ship.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on October 08, 2015, 01:05:45 pm
If you're only looking for experience then Ince and Clark fit the bill
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: RoversAlias on October 08, 2015, 01:39:04 pm
Has anybody mentioned Paul Ince, Not particularly the manager who i would go for, But without a job at the minute. ''The Best Coach in the World'', is also available John Carver!.

I wouldn't mind carver - thought he did ok at Newcastle keeping them up and look at them now under the ex-England manager, but Ince? I would put him alongside Lee Clark as a f*ck*ng useless liability with an ego far bigger than his talent and unemployable as s manager!

Did well to keep them up? Carver was deluded and his record as Newcastle manager is woeful. He didn't do well to keep them up at all, in fact it was quite an achievement to come as close to getting relegated as they did.

Ince is tosh as well, has he ever truly succeeded in a managerial position? It only ever seemed to click for him at League 2 level, anything above that and it didn't go well at all.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on October 08, 2015, 05:33:44 pm
I wonder if the manager appointment is taking so long because our first choice said No, and maybe the second choice did so as well. We might be looking for not a high calibre manager, but one that will do for now.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on October 08, 2015, 10:38:28 pm
bump
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on October 09, 2015, 05:52:34 pm
It won't be Redfearn, now the Millers manager.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Al4475 on October 09, 2015, 06:03:06 pm
Mentioned on another thread but the more I think about it the more it becomes possible! Maybe we have shortlisted a couple or three guys who have applied but due to commitments with clubs (am assuming here they are not out of work) could only do interviews in this current international break!
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: bedale rover on October 09, 2015, 06:39:24 pm
Mentioned on another thread but the more I think about it the more it becomed possible! Maybe we have shortlisted a couple or three guys who have applied but due to commitments with clubs (am assuming here they are not out of work) could only do interviews in this current international break!
I think they have their man (men) but are crossing the t's
And dotting the  i's
Otherwise why announce that they will be in situ by next week?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on October 09, 2015, 10:59:43 pm
Or a short list of 2 or 3 names to be re-interviewed this coming week.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: IDM on October 10, 2015, 09:56:58 am
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Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: steve@dcfd on October 10, 2015, 10:36:47 am
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Will the big weight be worth waiting for?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on October 10, 2015, 07:14:47 pm
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Slim down version of our new manager perhaps? Steve Evans has been quoted in the Star, that he is ready for his new challenge, could it be Rovers?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Gary Megson on October 10, 2015, 11:40:35 pm
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Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: RedJ on October 11, 2015, 09:52:08 am
That is truly disturbing.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: grayx on October 11, 2015, 10:14:57 am
If you're only looking for experience then Ince and Clark fit the bill

Experience of being losers? No thanks.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on October 11, 2015, 11:30:46 am
Both have had success and failure, same as every manager going
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Jonathan on October 11, 2015, 11:33:03 am
Both have had success and failure, same as every manager going

This is true. The only manager we could ever appoint that hasn't had a spell judged as 'failure' will be a manager that's not yet had a job.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Colin C No.3 on October 11, 2015, 12:59:12 pm
This thread is dripping with banality.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Copps is Magic on October 11, 2015, 01:34:14 pm
What happened to Nigel Clough?
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on October 11, 2015, 08:36:35 pm
What happened to Nigel Clough?

The only success he has had is at Burton. Another Daddy's aka Ferguson jr.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on October 14, 2015, 05:04:47 pm
Danny Wilson only needs to manage us and Rotherham to have a full house of managing SY teams.

I wrote this in jest. But looks as if my comments might have more truth about them. We shall see tomorrow.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Sammy Chung was King on October 14, 2015, 11:44:41 pm
Wilson had a sky high opinion of him as a manager when he got Barnsley to the premier league. But apart from the odd exception every club he has gone to since, his reputation has got lower and lower.
If we got him, we would be getting 'Yesterday's man'!. Steve Round another one not considered, but he is said to be joining Allardyce at Sunderland.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on October 15, 2015, 04:04:27 pm
Didn't do much at either of the Sheff clubs.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: dickos1 on October 15, 2015, 04:15:50 pm
Got sheff u and Swindon to play off finals and got Wednesday to 12th in the prem
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: les@donr on October 16, 2015, 03:30:04 pm
Darren Ferguson.

Mods could you archive this thread as it is no longer relevant.
Title: Re: Who should replace Dickov?
Post by: Dr Fundlekrotch on October 16, 2015, 03:40:24 pm

Mods could you archive this thread as it is no longer relevant.

Unless Mrs Dickov still needs the question answering